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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Anglesey => Topic started by: Rich32825 on Saturday 21 October 06 15:02 BST (UK)
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Many of us are research their Owen/Owens families from Anglesey and we don’t seem to connect. I find it humorous that there are so many descended from such a small island. So, I thought I’d re-post some of what I have in hopes that we Owen descendants can finally come together.
John Owen married Elizabeth Williams and lived on the farm called Henblas in Llanfihangel yn howyn. . John may have had a sister Anne Owen born abt. 1783 in Langridge. She died on 2/6/1874. She is believed to have married Richard Williams on 9/25/1929 in Llanfihangel Esgeifiog. Richard was born in 1781.
John and Elizabeth had at least 8 children: Anne (born 1/1818), Elizabeth (1/1819), John and Margaret (both 4/1821), Mary (7/1823), Jane (4/1825) Thomas (1830) and Owen (6/1834).
The above info was from parish records. The 1841 census has only John II and Elizabeth living at Henblas, everyone else has disappeared.
I have only been able to go further with John II and Thomas. John married Jane, born abt. 1821 and died 11/2/1865. John died 8/26/1897. Their children: John (born 1846), Anne (1852), William J. (1854), Griffith (1857) and Richard (1860)
Thomas married Elizabeth Jones, born abt. 1835 in Rhoscolyn and died 6/20/1877. Their children: Jane (born 1859), Elizabeth (1862), John (1864), Richard (1868), Margaret (1870), Hugh (1872), Ellen (1874) and Robert (1877). All born in Rhoscolyn.
I have some info on parts of the fourth and beyond generations, but these time frames seem to be what some of us are looking for. I hope this helps. If any long lost cousins are out there, please let me know.
Thanks,
Richard Owens ;D
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iam rooting elizabeth williams and robert owen your right the names are so common on anglesey it makes hard to trace sometimes i trace wrong family cheers glenys owen
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If this helps my mother was Owens and has Jones and Pritchard in the family, from Holyhead.
Andrew.
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You may gather from my roots chat name that I am also a descendant of the Anglesey Owen/Owens clan. I share your frustration in trying to link the Owen/Owens of the 18th. century.
I have a comprehensive family tree starting from my Great Great Grandfather Owen Owens to present day. He was born 1810 in the same village of Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn - tempting to assume a family link. The surname changes from Owens to Owen along the years.
My Owen Owens married an Eleanor Hughes in 1838 in Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn, but moved to Llangeinwen before 1841, where he worked as a shoe maker and raised his family.
The only additional information about the marriage from the record office in Llangefni being that his father was called - and wait for it - Owen Owens.
This may not help - but I live in hope of someone eventually linking our Owen/ Owens
Eric Owen
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Ha ha, yes frustrating indeed, but your light hearted take on it makes it easier. I got my mother to join so she can join in at sometime.
Andrew. :)
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hi my mother inlaw is from the owen family from Amlwch many of the family are buried in burwen cemetary amlwch I have quite a lot of info but yet again probably not the Owen you are looking for ,have you tried the Amlwch data site ? or north wales BMD ----Chris
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Oh my goodness, the proliferation of Owens (and Williams and Roberts) on the island has made research into those names very difficult.
You may be interested to know that in about 1915, one William Owen (1874-1925) decided to adopt the middle name David, in order to 'stand out from the crowd' in his professional life as a barrister/solicitor. He is more famous as "W.D.Owen" the author of the 1925 smuggling romance Madam Wen, and I know this, because I have written a book about him entitled "The Rhosneigr Romanticist", which as well as the biography, includes the first ever English translation (abridged) of Madam Wen. You can read about it on Amazon if you would like to.
It does mean that people researching simple names "William Owen", need to be aware that their birth certificates and death certificates may show different "full" names though. Such Fun !
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I also have owen in my tree from Anglesey - I think my relation is a sarah owen from holyhead but haven't definitely proved she is the right one as I haven't found a marriage certificate - may have married off anglesey. there are so many of the same name and it is difficult to link all the different bits at times. Good Luck.
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My Taids mother's maiden name was Owen. Her name was Margaret and they lived in Gwyndy Bach, Llandrygarn. She was married to John Parry a farm labourer. My Taid, Richard, was born in 1865. He had 3 brothers I believe. They allleft Anglesey to seek their fortunes.
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hi think you all know sill new to this but have it on family tree on my mothers side we have a richard owen born 1827 shoemaker his son was george owen 1851 and his son richard was born1878 and rosalie owen 1906 and on my fathers side a have elizabeth owen born about 1804 married thomas simons but sill looking in to that one
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My Great great grandmother was Ann Owen, born 1860 in Llanfihangel. She married Owen Rowlands in 1879.
I have drwan a blank and can find no birth records for Ann, so I can't trace her parents. I'd really appreciate it if anyone has any information. Many thanks.
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I'm a decendent of Hugh Owen and Martha Owen, Hafarch, Llantrisant. I've had some trouble finding this family due to patronymics.
My direct ancestor was Edward Owen Hughes, the son of Hugh and Martha Owen. His sibblings Hugh, William, Elizabeth and Ann have retained Owen as a surname. However, the other brother Owen Hugh has become Owens.
Hey, it's all fun isn't it!!
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I'm the great great great grand daughter of Elizabeth Owen 1799 from Amlwch. She married James Potter 1793 a copper smelter from St.Helens, Lancashire. I haven't been able to find who Elizabeths parents were. I know Elizabeth and James married at St.Eleths church, Amlwch in January 1821. As you say there are so many possibles.
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I'm also trying to sort out Owen from Llangefni. In this particular case I have hit a brick wall with Benjamin Owen b. 1821 wife Elizabeth Griffith. My tree is just a mass of all the Welsh names you can think of. Their daughters were :- Catherine Owen b 1841 Llangefni, Elinor b 1843, Jane 1861 and Elizabeth 1863. Anybody recognise them?
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My G Grandmother was an Owen..Catherine Owen was the daughter of Richard and Jane Owen who lived in Llanfaethlu.She had at least one sister Rebeccah.Richard was a Labourer on my G Grandfathers farm..Catherine married my G Grandfather..Evan Parry in 1901.Being a newbie to this I am finding it hard going with so many Parry's and Owens on the Island ;D
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Hello all
Can I add my Owens from Amlwich!! Here goes:
4th G Grandparents, wait for it!! Owen Owens b1781c married Catherine Jones? b1779c m1804c Llanfechell, Anglesey.
Had 2 children, one my 3 g Grandmother: Margaret Owens b 11/11/1809 Amlwich and wait for it!! Another Owen Owens b 27/6/1812 Amlwich.
Margaret married Robert Davies and Owen married Elizabeth Thomas.
Maybe one day we might all find at least one relative amoungst these Owens's :)
Regards to all
Linda
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Papercutter, :)
I read your posting with interest-my exhusbands family Owens came from Llanfaethlu on Angelsey.
As far as I can remember part of the family ran the Inn ,I think it was the Black/Red Lion?? in Llanfaethlu, I was told -because their were so many Owen Owens,that part of the family just started using the name Williams !!
My daughter who lives in Caernarfon told me recently that a cousin of my ex who now lives in Portdinorwic has been doing family research,perhaps if you are interested and there maybe a family connection-I could try to find out his address.
Good Luck it confused me years ago-lol :)
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Hi Elsa-Mary...only just seen this now :)The Black Lion is only 15 minutes walk from the old Farms in Llanfaethlu.Although it has been shut for years :( I havent come across any info connected with the pub yet...but I am still a newbie at this game ;D There may be a connection somewhere ;D
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Does anybody have a Sarah Owen who married an Owen Parry and lived in Pentraeth after their marriage??
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Hi,
Many villagers in those days did not stray far for marriage--still contact me-if you think your rellies same family.
I will then try to get--husbands cousins phone no--somehow I think maybe same family-your call !!
Elsa-=Mary
Trust me!! I was I nurse--lol!!
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Hi Elsa-Mary.
I will pm you :)
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Hi, I have in my family tree :
- OWENS Owen Robert born 1875 Llanfairfechan, married with JONES Mary Ellen in 1902 Bangor,
- OWENS Owen, his father, born 1829 Abergwyngregyn, married with OWENS Mary?
- OWENS Owen, his father born 1816 Abergwyngregyn, married 5 juillet 1825 Bangor with WILLIAMS Eilins born 1806
If you have these ancestors in your family tree, contact me please. Thanks Pascal
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You need to put your request on the Caernarvonshire board as they are on that, the towns are not on Anglesey
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While researching my Owen/s, my grandfather had me baffled. On my parents marriage cert, he was William Owen, my father was William Owen, but the next two children were Owens. So I sent a letter to Llangefni register office to see what I could find out. I knew his year of birth. So I asked for a look up of William Owen, July 1910, parents Edward John Owen and Mary Owen nee Jones. Got a shock when they kindly phoned me and said no William Owen with those parents, back to the drawing board I said, she said no, we have a Willie Owens with Edward John Owens and Mary, nee Jones. Think my family need to work out of they are Owen or Owens lol xxx
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Hello, I think (I hope) I've traced my great grandfather, Griffith Owen, back to Llanfaethlu. He was born in 1846/7, according to the 1901 census.
I haven't done any Anglesey research before so if anyone's about it would be lovely to 'meet' you.
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I am seeing so many familiar names here that it's uncanny.. Griffith Owens, Owen Owens are two that I had hoped would make it easier to follow the clues.. Not so.
Here's another one: Solomon Owens, who appears with these others over several generations.
Does anyone have a family where all these names occur?
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For Pascal:
Here are the Aber baptisms you have mentioned:
- 13/07/1817 Owen Owens son of Owen Griffith, Farmer + Ann Davies of Pentre Wern
Owen and Ann were married 2/6/1804
- 29/11/1829 Owen son of Owen Owens, Farmer + Ellen Roberts of Wig Bach.
Owen and Ellen were married 17/10/1828
These 2 Owen Owens are not related.
You need to be aware that In Aber the patronymics system was used for many years, where the son would take his father's Christian name to be his surname.
I am studying Owens in both Aber and on Anglesey: at Llandegfan, Llanddona, Llansadwrn, Penmynydd, Menai Bridge and Braint
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Here are some more Owens from Penrhos Estate and I have some from the Bodeon and Bodior Estates [Rhoscolyn].
John Owen of Plas Ucha in Llanfaethlu, 'of Penrhos'
m. Marsli (dau of Gruffydd ap Howel ap Madog, of Talhenbont)
1. Thomas Owen of Penrhos
m. Catherine (dau/heir of William ap Gruffydd ap Gwillim, of Bronheulog)
A. John Thomas Owen (d by 1663)
m. Agnes (dau of Hugh Gwyn of Tre'rgof)
i. Thomas Owen 'of Penrhos'
m. Margaret Wynn (dau of Rowland Wynn of Penhesgin, son of Richard, m2. Thomas Kynaston of Ryston)
a. John Owen 'of Penrhos' (b 1627-8, d 13.06.1712)
m. Margaret Williams (d 1720, dau of Rev. Hugh Williams of Llantrisant)
(1) Robert Owen (bur 01.1731)
m. Anne Wynn (bur 27.04.1748, dau of Rev. Edward Wynn of Bodewryd)
(A) William Owen of Penrhos (dsp bur 28.04.1733, 2nd son)
m. Elizabeth Owen (dau of Arthur Owen of Orielton & Bodeon, m2. Hugh Barlow of Llawrenny)
(B) Edward Owen of Penrhos (bur 20.03.1741, 4th son)
(C) Hugh Owen 'of Penrhos' (bur 19.09.1742)
m. (07.09.1741) Margaret Bold (d 03.09.1800, dau/heir of John Bold of Beaumaris)
(i) Margaret Owen (bpt 17.08.1742, d 01.021816)
m. (1763) Sir John Thomas Stanley, Bart of Alderley Park (b 1735, d 29.11.1807)
(D)+ other issue - John (bpt 15.10.1696, bur 09.12.1698), John (dsp 02.06.1726), Thomas, Robert (d 11.174), Hector, Robert (bpt 09.04.1701, d by 1771)
(2) Emma Owen (d infant)
(3) Margaret Owen (d 11.02.1707)
m1. Owen Bold of Tre'rddol (dsp bur 02.09.1703)
m2. Robert Wynn of Garthewin (vicar of
Etc Etc
The one that concerns me is Owen Owens c1600 Bodeon or Bodior d 1684 Bodior Estate Rhoscolyn. His father and grandfather were both named John Owen, according to the 1914 Griffiths Pedrigree Charts, but I cannot find any details of these 2 men. Also Hugh Owen of Bodeon/Orielton and his relatives Sir Arthur Owen had property in Rhoscolyn about 1700 any help, gratefully received. Gaffa
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Does anybody have Owen/Owens ancestors who came from Llanbadrig?
My earliest definite ancestor was my gg-grandfather Hugh Owen(s) who was born in Llanbadrig in 1811. He lived there until the mid 1850's when he took his family to live in Bangor.
The last known address for Hugh was Tan y Graig which was located between Carrog Farm and the Cemaes Mill on the Llanfechell road. Alas the property has long since gone.
I have put the "s" at the end of his surname in brackets as this would change from Owen to Owens dependent on the documents and the time in his life. Although the spelling of names in the past was not so set in stone as it is today, I do suspect that he may have been an Owen rather than an Owens. Therefore I believe it is not a patronymic surname.
I have a found a potential baptism for him on 12 July 1811 to a Hugh and Catherine Owen of Ty Newydd, Llanbadrig but at this moment I cannot say that this is him. The parish records for Llanbadrig at around this time are in poor condition and so difficult to decipher.
I would be interested to hear from anybody who has ancestry from Llanbadrig or has historical knowledge of the area.
Thanks!
100%Gog
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Yes,
There was another Owen family living in Anglesey about 1530, besides the ones I have previously mentioned. His name was William Owen and his son George, became the 'Lords of Kemys{ Cemais}' they came from Henllys of Nevern Pembrokeshire. William [a Lawyer] purchased the Crown Lands due to Lord Audley's forfeitshire c 1525-1536. I have not followed them any further. However, if you live in Anglesey. Llangefni Archives may have the Hearth & Land Tax documents, Poor rates etc. worth a visit.
By the way the name has nothing to do with patronymics. In Wales you cannot have a first name the same as the Surname. I.e Owen Owen becomes Owens. William William becomes Williams etc.
Regards
Gaffa
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Gaffa,
Thanks for the feedback. I will take up your advice and visit Llangefni archives and see if there are any connections with my family and this particular line of Owens.
By the way the name has nothing to do with patronymics. In Wales you cannot have a first name the same as the Surname. I.e Owen Owen becomes Owens. William William becomes Williams etc.
I always thought the "s" at the end of a surname was just an English version of the Welsh "ap". I was a bit dubious of the comment at first then when I looked through my family tree it stood out like a sore thumb. All my ancestors who had the same forename and surname had an "s" at the end of the surname. The only exception was my uncle who was Owen Hugh Owen but I am guessing the fact there was Hugh in the middle meant the "s" was not required?
Regards,
100%Gog
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I have numerous Owen Owens within my tree, from Beaumaris and Holyhead. I am currently looking into Owen Hugh Owens, b.1850 Holyhead, a mariner. Married Catherine (Kate) Lloyd from Aberffraw in 1873 and eventually moved to Liverpool.
I have recently discovered that Owen was one of the crew on the Lusitania that was torpedoed in 1915.
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I too am researching Owens! I'm looking for more information on a John Owen (Owens) who came to the US from Rhoscolyn, Anglesley. He came to the US around 1652 into VA. I'd love to see if anyone else has a connection to this elusive man!
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I have an Owen in Anglesey :)
Marriage at St Eleth Amlwch 23/1/1821
James Potter to Elizabeth Owen
James was a copper smelter as was his son Thomas
Potter doesn't seem to be a very common name in Anglesey, I haven't found any others around except for this couples 6 children and am now at a dead end.
So if anyone knows more about Elizabeth's family I would love to hear
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I want a trace not ancestors but descendants (present day if possible) of John Owens known as Jack Owen locally from Llanerchymedd in Anglesey ....he emigrated to Canada (friend) with my Grandfather in March 1913 , enlisted in the Canadian Infantry at Saskatoon in December 1915 ....survived the war and came home via Kinmel Park Camp WALES in 1919 ...hearsay says they settled in Llangefni Anglesey but I'm unable to go any further unless I trawl through children born in that era ...anyone have ideas how to trace descendants to present day , I have photographs of him with his wife Sarah Jane and love to know if their present day family know of his time in Canada with my grandfather........................ data on their families that I know of are as below ...
"I have found John Owens age 23 born Feb 1894 a private in the army (father Owen Owens an agricultural labourer) marrying Sarah Jane Hughes born 1896 a 21 year old spinster of Ty Newydd Llanerchymedd (father is a farmer named Owen Hughes) on 27th September 1917 in Hyfrydle Chapel at Holyhead. ..also I have a Sarah Owens b.1896 died Dec. 1962 not sure if this is Sarah Jane ...and need to follow up where this burial is at ....
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I have an Ellen Owens in my family tree. She married William Evans ?1828, Anglesey, and her son William Evans was born 1829, Anglesey. I'd love to make contact with anyone with this Ellen Owens in their tree. Donna.
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I'm an Anglesey Owen, but struggling terribly to find my family history! My Taid was Owen Aled Owen b. 1915 d. 2003 and his father was John Pierce Owen b. 1877. My taid's family ran the shop in Rhoscefnhir though I think he was from Bryngwran originally. He married Margaret Evans from Penllyn and they settled as farmers in Pentraeth.
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Griffith's Pedigrees of Anglesey and Carnarvonshire Families can be bought very reasonably from http://anguline.co.uk/wales.html and it can help with many genealogies
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Thanks for that info Ill look into it
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Searching for parents of Samuel R. Owens, born April 1809 in Amlwch area. Baptized in Holyhead same year.May have served in British army before traveling to U.S. in 1838. Samuel may have been accompanied to U.S. by his spouse Matilda C. Owens.
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You will have to get in touch with the Anglesey archives you can get details on the Anglesey county council website you might be lucky the archive might find something on the parish records
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Adding to the Owens conundrum and intereste to receive any information or comments.
My G GF was Owen Williams living at Twr y Felin Llandegfan in 1861. I believe his father was David (Jones) Williams who married Margaret Owens on Christmas Day 1854.
. The banns were read at Llanbedrgoch on 10.12.1854.
Her father was Owen Owens. He was my GGG GF.
ANY RELATIVES OR INFORMATION MUCH APPRECIATED.
PAUL JONES
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Owen Owens, a butcher, and his wife Catherine had three children, Samuel(1809) who is my GG GF, David (1813), and Elizabeth (1815). All three were baptized in Holyhead. Any help?
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Hi Dan
Many thanks for the interest shown. My Owens were homebirds and wore born , baptised , lived and died in Llandegfan area. Holyhead was another world to them!
Regards
Paul Jones
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One thing more/ the witnesses at the marriage of Owen Owens and Catherine Jones was Hugh Owen and Richard Hughes. The marriage took place in Llangenfell Parish in January 1804. Correction- May 24, 1804!
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I've just seen this post and although it is now a few years back, I am responding in case you are still active.
I am the great grandson of Owen Owens who perished on the Lusitania, which I only fully realised in the last nine months - although this must have been mentioned to me when I was very young, it is only now through my research that I am making the connection. I am descended from his youngest daughter, Sarah Ellen and I am in the process of researching and writing about the paternal side of my family. I also have a photograph of him that was published in a book in 2015.
Happy to provide you with any other information.
Regards.
Bill Williams