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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: banshee on Friday 27 October 06 17:55 BST (UK)
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trying to find parents of james gunn b/1810 scotland died 1856 sunderland co .durham. married to christian heslop , at lamberton toll scottish boarders seen the marriage record no parents names on it dead stop on family tree need help pleeeeeeeease
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Welcome to Rootschat :)
Not sure if this is your James
http://www.familysearch.org
James Gunn
Birth 1 July 1810 Thurso Parish, Caithness, Scotland
Parents John Sinclair Gunn/Anne Davidson
This may confirm it his spouse was Ann Calder whoops just re read your post WRONG ONE worth looking if you haven't already.
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thanks for your help helen I,ll keep looking
cheers Denis
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Hi Banshee :)
Not sure whether any of these came up in the chatroom when we were both there but in addition to the one irret found, I've found these baptisms of a James Gunn to the following parents :
9 Dec 1809 Scott Gunn and Elizabeth Sinclair, Halkirk
11 Nov 1810 William Gunn and Jane Fraser, Ardesier
7 March 1810 George Gunn and Margaret Lesk, Orphir
5 Dec 1810 to Adam Gunn and Margaret Shiels, Edinburgh
Regards
Gadget
PS and another Welcome :)
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I've been trying to track him down in the 1851 census in the Sunderland area and the only one that fits is married to a Mary and born Scotland 1815 ???
Have you checked the 1841 and 1851 censuses yet? His children's names might help you to narrow down your search.
Gadget
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I've been trying to track him down in the 1851 census in the Sunderland area and the only one that fits is married to a Mary and born Scotland 1815 ???
Have you checked the 1841 and 1851 censuses yet? His children's names might help you to narrow down your search.
Gadget
[/quote all I know about james gunn is he had 3 children alexander b/1848 thomas b/1850 & elizabeth b/1853 b/1853 I have his death certificate 1856 it has no mention of his parents.
cheers Denis
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Hi Dennis
Do you know what Christian's parents' names were? This again might help because of Scottish naming conventions - not always used mind :-\
Gadget
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Hi Dennis
Do you know what Christian's parents' names were? This again might help because of Scottish naming conventions - not always used mind :-\
Gadget
christians parents were thomas & grace heslop
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Hi again Dennis :)
This possibly suggests the Halkirk, Caithness baptism as the most likely but not realy enough evidence so far to go either way.
Where were the children born?
Gadget
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Hi again Dennis :)
This possibly suggests the Halkirk, Caithness baptism as the most likely but not realy enough evidence so far to go either way.
Where were the children born?
Gadget
berwick upon tweed
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Hi again
Curiouser and curiouser!
I have found Christian on the 1851 census in Berwick. James is not with her and she describes herself as 'head' and married. With her is a 7 year old son James Windersham.
Here are the details:
HO107/2421 Folio 497 Page 5
Walkergate Lane, Berwick
Christiam Gunn, head, married, 27
James Windersham, son, 7, b.
Alexander Gunn, son, 2
Thomas, 6 mths
all born Berwick
I'll have another look for James. Was he a fisherman or sailor of some kind to explain why he wasn't at home?
Gadget
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Hi again
Curiouser and curiouser!
I have found Christian on the 1851 census in Berwick. James is not with her and she describes herself as 'head' and married. With her is a 7 year old son James Windersham.
Here are the details:
HO107/2421 Folio 497 Page 5 james was a visitor on the 1851 hartlepool census he was a stone mason christian was married to a robert windrem in 1842 so the 7 year old could be his son mispelt it gets more complicated if you want to know, I,ve only lived in berwick for 7 mths and decided to do my family tree then I found out my ancestors lived in berwick very interesting but james gunn is driving me round the bend prio to 1847.
Walkergate Lane, Berwick
Christiam Gunn, head, married, 27
James Windersham, son, 7, b.
Alexander Gunn, son, 2
Thomas, 6 mths
all born Berwick
I'll have another look for James. Was he a fisherman or sailor of some kind to explain why he wasn't at home?
Gadget
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This is the nearest James Gunn that I can find to yours, on land!:
HO107/2400, Folio 187 Page 9
Shadwell Street, South Shields
James Gunn, head, married, 36, Master Mariner, b. Scotland
Mary Gunn, wife, 46, b. South shields
Ann Gunn, d, 9, b. South Shields
James,s, 8, b. S Shields
Elizabeth, d, 3, b. S Shields
Jane Crammond, Daughter in law, 14, b. S Shields ( I presume this is Mary's daughter, by a different partner)
Did you get his birthdate from the death cert? and who was the informant?
Starting to worry about this for you Dennis ???
Gadget
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This is the nearest James Gunn that I can find to yours, on land!:
HO107/2400, Folio 187 Page 9
Shadwell Street, South Shields
James Gunn, head, married, 36, Master Mariner, b. Scotland
Mary Gunn, wife, 46, b. South shields
Ann Gunn, d, 9, b. South Shields
James,s, 8, b. S Shields
Elizabeth, d, 3, b. S Shields
Jane Crammond, Daughter in law, 14, b. S Shields ( I presume this is Mary's daughter, by a different partner)
Did you get his birthdate from the death cert? and who was the informant?
Starting to worry about this for you Dennis ???
Gadget
james was born about c1810 in scotland somewhere died 1856
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Hi Dennis
Sorry to not find anthing obvious but it would help if you could tell me the source of your information:
How do you know he was born around 1810 in Scotland?
What did it say on his death certificate - e.g. occupation, informant, etc.
All these things - and anything else that you have - might help locate him.
Gadget
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Hi Dennis
Sorry to not find anthing obvious but it would help if you could tell me the source of your information:
How do you know he was born around 1810 in Scotland?
What did it say on his death certificate - e.g. occupation, informant, etc.
All these things - and anything else that you have - might help locate him.
Gadget
he was 46 when he died 21st april 1856 occupation stone mason journeyman the informent was elizabeth wadday because his wife was near to giving birth to their 4th child.the info from death certificate and linda at berwick archives.this is as far as she could help me.
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Hi again Dennis
I've searched for him in 1851 in the hope that we could get more information. I can't find him in Eng & Wales or Scotland. He must have been mistranscribed badly.
It might be worth you trying to find him on the 1851, searching very widely.
Sorry.
Gadget
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Hi again Dennis
I've searched for him in 1851 in the hope that we could get more information. I can't find him in Eng & Wales or Scotland. He must have been mistranscribed badly.
It might be worth you trying to find him on the 1851, searching very widely.
Sorry.
Gadget
good morning lesley
I,ve got the 1851 census for james he was a visitor to a dorothy newton in the borough of hartlepool once again thanks for helping me trying to find his parents.
cheers Denis
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Hi Dennis
Think the only way to go forward (backwards!) is to try to eliminate the ones on the list of baptisms that I gave you.
You would have to check to see if they appear in the Scottish censuses (Freecen) and follow them through.
Gadget
PS - not sure where the Lesley came fom - it ain't me ;D
PPS - I've just seen the details that you gave about James in the1851 - unfortunately it was buried in the quote from me abouve and obviously overlooked it :(
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Hi Dennis
Think the only way to go forward (backwards!) is to try to eliminate the ones on the list of baptisms that I gave you.
You would have to check to see if they appear in the Scottish censuses (Freecen) and follow them through.
Gadget
PS - not sure where the Lesley came fom - it ain't me ;D
PPS - I've just seen the details that you gave about James in the1851 - unfortunately it was buried in the quote from me abouve and obviously overlooked it :(
exactly what I,m doing now can,t find any of them on the 1851 census ,sorry about the lesley but you sound like a lesley :P
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Christian is in Berwick - The full details are above on a previous posting.
What does a Lesley sound like ::) ::) ::)
Gadget
PS - found your James on the 1951 - his age is very feint but looks like 39. So we might be talking about an 1811-1812 birth
PPS - As you're new - a hint - it's best to make sure that you put your replies after the final [ /quote ]
otherwise you're message get's buried in the blue. We've all done it!
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Christian is in Berwick - The full details are above on a previous posting.
What does a Lesley sound like ::) ::) ::)
Gadget
PS - found your James on the 1951 - his age is very feint but looks like 39. So we might be talking about an 1811-1812 birth
PPS - As you're new - a hint - it's best to make sure that you put your replies after the final [ /quote ]
otherwise you're message get's buried in the blue. We've all done it!
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Christian is in Berwick - The full details are above on a previous posting.
What does a Lesley sound like ::) ::) ::)
Gadget
PS - found your James on the 1951 - his age is very feint but looks like 39. So we might be talking about an 1811-1812 birth
PPS - As you're new - a hint - it's best to make sure that you put your replies after the final [ /quote ]
otherwise you're message get's buried in the blue. We've all done it!
did you get my last message
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Dennis
I didn't get your last message. Well it's not on this topic thread and you haven't sent me a private message.
I'm not sure that you've got the hang of message posting. Have a read of this topic:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,161799.0.html
Briefly, instead of replying to any e-mail notification that you get, it's better to go straight to the message itself that is up on the Board in which you posted originally and click on the <Reply> button at the bottom of the last message.
But read the link first.
Gadget
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is it right this time ???
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Yes Dennis that's how you do it :)
You can quote but just try replying as you have just done until you get the hang of it.
I've had a though that you might try to find if there are any stone mason apprenticeship records in Berwick or even the main masons in the town at the time. Christian was there in 1841 with her parents, so they might well have met there.
Gadget
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I,ll check it out on thursday is a stone mason the same as a free mason,I might have found a link see what you think,found an 1841 census with a alexander gunn & mary ewer as the parents of a james gunn aged 30 yrs born in ross & cromarty poolewe theres also a john gunn on it aged 35 might be his brother, but I can,t find any of them on 1851 census I clicked on to next household and found john gunn aged 35 and a barbara gunn aged 30 could be his wife.
ps you type very fast like somebody called lesley I,m still using 1 finger ;D
Denis
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The Freemasons were originally stone masons, I think. Hence all those funny <gadgets> and stuff ;) Don't know much about them except for reading a very good exposee a long time back.
I'll have a look at the 1841, for the Poolewe birth. Mind you it's a fair way to travel if he went to Berwick. It takes me 6-7 hrs to get to Newcastle nowadays and I live a bit further up the coast from Poolewe.
James Gunn is not an uncommon name up here, so best be careful. You don't want to trace the wrong tree.
Taught to touch type by my big sister when I was 15. It has stood me in good stead :)
Gadget (called lots of things but never Lesley before :D )
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I don't think that the James in Gairloch is your's Dennis :(
This one's father was a tenant or lotter (possibly later a crofter or they were cleared- I've done a bit of local history for this part), and he probably helped on his father and maybe did some fishing although it does not say.
I would expect your James to already be at least an apprentice stonemason by 1841.
Gadget
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Added - have you seen the one in Aberdeen 1841 who is a mason - only one on Freecen in that broad age range - worth investigating. he's married but a poss
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looking at that one now if thats the one he would have left margaret to marry christian heslop in 1847 trying to find margaret in 1851 census to see if james is still with her but I can,t find her anywhere any ideas.
Denis :-[
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Sadly she could have died. There was a cholera outbreak in 1848 (?) that started in Scotland and spread throughout UK.
It's one explanation :-\
Alternatively, this was when the Clearances were taking place in Wester Ross - I'll go check out my references and get back to you about that aspect later today or Tuesday.
Gadget
Added - I boobed there - it's all this Lesley business, they were in Aberdeen
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that might explain it funny how I can,t find children either Ill check the deaths for her. ;D
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Hi Denis
Sorry that I can't be of more help with your query, but I don't think that the James Gunn in the Poolewe / Gairloch area is the chap you're after. I do have some details about James as he's one of my (very!) distant ancestors.
James Gunn (born approx 1810) was a crofter and the son of Alexander Gunn and Mary McIver. His siblings were called Donald, Annabella, Christy, John, Barbara, Hector, William and Alexander. He died in 1892 in the parish of Gairloch. As you think your James died in 1856, it looks unlikely that he's your man.
Hope this info is of some use to you
Best wishes
Lynn :(
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thaks for info you,r right he,s not the one I,ll keep searching.
cheers Denis :'(
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Hi Dennis
Sorry to neglect you, I've been at a funeral in Inverness and not been back too long.
Did you find any more on the Aberdeen family? Deaths would be difficult to trace at that time since it was before statutory registration. If you noticed, James Gunn (35-39) was born out of county - i.e. not Aberdeenshire.
This means looking for someone born 1802 - 1806.
Gadget
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morning lesley ;D
found a death for a margaret 1848 but james married christian in 1847 so it can,t be her.
cheers Denis
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I'm still thinking that the most likely place to find James is Scottish Borders - maybe Edinburgh.
If he was about 27 when he married, he must have had some apprenticeship by then ??? hope you can find some records of those.
Gadget (and less of the Lesley ;D )
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morning lesley gadget ;D
forgot to tell you I,m from the hunter clan and when I moved to berwick 7 mths ago decided to do the family tree and found the gunn,s played a big part ,according to my brother james gunn crossed the borders from the isle of arran I,d ask my mother but she,s 95 and her minds gone so I dont know how true it is .the hunter tree goes as far as 1778 dead stop. but I,m more interested in the gunn side love scotland must be in my genes ,I,ll try and find apprenticeships for stone masons I,ll be back.
cheers Denis ;)
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Hi I can see I'm very late to this post, but if the originator is still active on the site, I'd like to chat as I am searching for the same James Gunn
Cheers
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Hi Smudger,
Welcome to RootsChat. I am very sorry but banshees emails have stopped working and we have been unable to let them know of your new reply :'(
I have searched for them but not been able to find them, very sorry.
Regards
Sarah