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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Orkney => Topic started by: Spanish_Eyes on Tuesday 31 October 06 23:47 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help me with information on John Sabiston born September 26, 1844 in Stromness, Orkney Islands?
I am trying to find his parents and siblings.
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Hi there
Welcome to Rootschat!
There seems to be 2 other John SABISTON's born Stromness around the same time-frame (1843) on IGI.
Did your John marry under the jurisdiction of Scotland (on Orkney or the mainland?) If he did and you know who he married, perhaps finding the marriage first - because if it occured after 1855 the marriage should name his father and his mother, with his mother's maiden name.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Ambly
My John Sabiston left Orkney for Canada when he was about 17 years old.
I noticed one in there one time that was born September 15, 1843 and wondered if he changed his birthdate when he was in Canada with the Hudson's Bay Company.
Perhaps you can eliminate some you know of.
Cheers, Spanish Eyes
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Hi there SpanishEyes
I see the DOB is as provided on the 1901 Manitoba Census - do you have it from any other source? I am guessing he is the one who married Margaret FOLSTER and he died 20 Nov 1918, Saskatchewan - age 76, which puts his YOB as around 1842. The 1906 Census gives him as age 65, which is YOB 1841.
Just found this!
http://www.cursiter.com/pages/guestlog.htm
It has a contact name and address, and says:
John Sebastion b 1811
Margaret CREELMAN b 1815
were parents of John SABISTON born 26 September 1844 Stromness
The IGI has the marriage of John SABISTON and Margaret CRELMAN
25 OCT 1838 Stromness, Orkney
And they are the parents of the 15 Sep 1843 birth you mention.
It would be interesting to know where parents names names came from, per the web-page contact.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Ambly
I have the date of birth also from the Hudson's Bay Company where he started work in 1862 as September 26, 1844.
He married Margaret Folster and he died in Saskatchewan and they are both buried there.
I can only guess that his birth date must be incorrect and he was born September 15, 1843 and he is the son of John Sabiston and Margaret Creelman.
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Hi again
If you are able to confirm these were his parents, this may be useful:
IGI births to John SABISTON & Margaret CRE(E)LMAN
Helen - Aug 1839
William - Jul 1841
John - Sep 1843
Margaret Ann - Aug 1848
This looks like Margaret in 1841 with her first child Hellen, and possibly a sister. Relationships not stated in UK 1841 Census, and ages rounded down.
1841: Stromness Orkney
Parish: 30, ED 11, Pg2
ADDRESS: Stromness
In the household are:
Ann LOUTITT 60 - Y
Janet LOUTITT 40,. Straw Plaiter - Y
Robert LOUTITT 25 - Mer S - Y (I am guessing Merchant Seaman???)
Mary CRULMAN 25, Straw Bonnet Maker - Y
Margaret CRULMAN 25, Straw Plaiting - Y
Helen SABISTON - Y No age - probably a baby under 12mths old.
(All born Orkney)
It was common to see married women in Scotland census using their maiden name - as a surname or as a middle name, and also for a widow to revert to her maiden name.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi AMBLY
That posting in Cursiter is mine I was hoping someone might have some answers for me in the guestlog. I have the kids of John and Margaret Creelman and the more I look at it, it would seem that it is the right John who didn't remember his actual birth date when he was in Canada or lied to get employment with the Hundson's Bay Company. You mentioned 2 other John Sabiston's born in Stromness around the same time, are their dates close to what I have for our John? Any info on the parents and siblings?
Cheers, Spanish Eyes
PS: I have Margaret Ann as dieing on December 29, 1858 meaning she died at almost 10 years of age.
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Can anyone tell me if there were any more John Sabiston's born in Stromness, Orkney Islands between 1843 and 1844?
How about the whole of the Orkney Islands between the same years?
Spanish Eyes
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Hi Spanish Eyes
Have you tried this site?
http://tilley.dynodns.net:8000/
Apart from census for Westray it also has OPR records for Orkney. You can find info either by child's name or parents names.
Excellent site.
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Hi Airdlass
Yes I have this site and I checked through it again but have gone as far as I can with it for this family anyway.
Thanks for the reply anyway.
Spanish Eyes
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wonder if this could be of help
1851 census: pumpwell, road, stromess
john...head...age 40...joiner
margaret...wife...age 36
helen...dau...age 11
william...son...age 9
john...son...age 7
henry...son...age 5
margaret anne...dau...age 2
all born stromness
1861 census: garrioch's close, stromness
john...head...age 49...mason's labourer
margaret...wife...age 45
Joe
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Hi Joebhoy
I have these people and I think they just might be our John Sabiston's parents and siblings.
I have checked everwhere I can and I cannot find any more John Sabistons around that time in Stromness.
I often wondered whether we had the Creelman family in our back ground.
I will have to find out who this John Sabiston and Margaret Creelmans parents and siblings are now and how far back the Sabiston side goes before I hit a brick wall.
Cheers, Spanish Eyes
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I noticed I have John born August 13, 1814 and Margaret Creelman born Bef. October 24, 1813 in Stromness which I found on an Orkney site.
I often wonder how close these census people actually get the information correctly.
Spanish Eyes
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okay my friend, spend a bit of time on this, i reckon, only reckon that this could be your creelman family from stromness.
1841 census; stromness
harry...age 65...army pensioner
margaret...no age
william...age 20...shoemaker
henry...age 15
janet...age 15...straw plaiter
byron...age 12
all born stromness
1851 census; the plesance, stromness
margaret...head...age 57...pauper...born kirkwall, orkney
elizabeth...dau...age 30
henry...son...age 25...shoemaker(foreman)
all born stromness
i think you will have to look at this family as a possible connection, there is 3 children in this household whose relationship given to the head of household is son-in law(?)
william gray...age 12
valentine gray...age 5
robert gray...age 5
sorry there is no more that i can do for you
happy hunting
Joe
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Hi Joe
I am just assuming that the Creelman family is related as I can't find any more John Sabiston's born at that time frame 1843 to 1844 in Stromness.
I do apprecuiate the help though and would like to confirm John Sabiston and Margaret Creelmans birth dates and possabley when and where they died as well as their children.
Spanish Eyes
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Hi Spanish Eyes
Don't know if this helps you any but there is a family of Sabeston's, father John,age 32 /Occupation -Sailor Straits,wife Martha Johnston, age 26,daughter Martha age 8, sons John age 6,Peter age 5 and daughter Eliz age 1 residing in Stromness in census of 1821. Living next door are the following family:
Henry Creelman age 46 ,Occupation Pensioner, his wife Margaret Heddle age 28, Children - Mary age 9,Margaret age 7,Ann age 6,Eliz age 4 and William age 1.
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Hello again!
Margaret Sabiston widow of John Sabiston,seaman died 13 Feb 1891 age 76 in Stromness. Parents were Henry Creelman,soldier,deceased and Margaret Creelman ms Heddle deceased. Informant was Helen Sabiston daughter.
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Seasons Greetings & thanks
It is interesting that for the children of John and Martha I have no Martha but I do have:
John b Aug 13, 1814
Peter b June 9, 1816
Betsy b Nov 21, 1819
Joseph b Aug 20, 1821
William b Aug 25, 1826
Sarah b Sept 1, 1829
Helen b Aug 18, 1832
I am sure this is the same family as the parents and some children match. I wonder if Martha died young and was not mentioned in the list I have?
Or maybe Martha is Betsey?
Gets confusing doesn't it......
Thanks for the death date for Margaret I wonder if John's death date is around?
Any idea where I send for marriage certificates for Orkney?
Spanish Eyes
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John Sabiston died 12 June 1875 in Stromness age 65. Parents were William Sabiston,schoolteacher,deceased and Helen Sabiston nee Linklater, deceased.
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Oh I had his parents as John Sabiston and Martha Johnston.......
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This is definately husband of Margaret Creelman. Sorry!
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No problem I will just change it I wasn't sure anyway. So I guess I will need a marriage certificate for William Sabiston and Helen Linklater instead plus John Sabiston and Margaret Creelman.
Thanks for straightning that out for me.
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Hi my name is Shirley McMullen and my grandfather is Peter Elmer Sabiston. My mother, (Mary Viola Mae Sabiston) was his oldest Daughter. The picture you have in your display shocked me, I couldn't believe I was looking at him on the internet. I assume the other two in the picture are his father, and grandfather; my great grandfather and great great grandfather. My grampa (Peter Sabiston) lived with us for almost 10 years prior to his death. Write me back and we can talk. I have been looking for information about John McDonald and his Wife Mary (Buck) McDonald (nee Flett) for years. Do you have information or pictures? I am so excited to have a chance to find more about my family. My mom, passed December 27, 2005 and my mom's sister Verna, passed in March'06. There are still 6 siblings living along with a half brother and half sister. There were 8 children by Peter Sabiston with Ingabord Natalia Olson, and then he had two more children with another woman, and one other child with Kathleen Barnett. Interesting to find out who you are as we are related.
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Hello cousin Shirley and welcome to Roots Chat. The picture you are looking at is as it says; John Sabiston, James Sabiston and Peter Elmer Sabiston.
That is your grandfather, great grandfather and great-great grandfather.
I have not been able to locate any pictures of John McDonald and Mary (Buck) McDonald but I have managed to locate a picture possibly of George Flett and Charlette Tourangeau although it is not of very good condition. I am waiting for verification as to whether it is them.
Your sister Gail and brother Tom have copies of John and Margaret and James and Mary's pictures.
If you need more information just email me at the home email.
Cousin George
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I was just browsing for some Sabiston info and came across your query of a few years ago. I just signed on to the trial subscription of this to try it out and provide you with some info that may be of assistance. There was a James McKay Sabiston born in 1836 (don't have the info with me right now but it was in the 1830's) who left Orkney for Canada.
Let me know if this is of any help.
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Hi rsabca
Welcome to Rootschat........
I don't have a James McKay Sabiston as a direct relative in my family tree however they say all Sabistons from Orkney are related. He is probably a cousin to my line.
Are you a Sabiston descendant??
Spanish Eyes
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Yes. James came to Canada with the Hudson's Bay. Managed a trade post in Savona (near Kamloops). Then, it seems, went to Nanaimo BC. Still a few lost links between generations.
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There is a Sabiston Lake near Savona that was more than likely named after him. There were a few James around the same as John and Peter.
The first bunch that came over went to North Carolina and a few went to Victoria, BC and the rest to Manitoba. The second bunch including our John came over next and started his family in Manitoba eventually settling in Saskatchewan.
There were a few James Sabiston's in BC....... check this website below.
http://search.bcarchives.gov.bc.ca/sn-27F5FCA/query/Births,Marriages,Colmarriages,Deaths,Baptisms/find-adv%2B%20givennames%3D(james)%20AND%20surname%3D(sabiston)%20%2B%2B%2B%2B
Spanish Eyes
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Just joined RootsChat and saw your postings. I'm currently working on the Sabiston side of my family. I've gone through various sites and created a spreadsheet of every Sabiston that I could find listed ... and there's a lot of them. Now I'm trying to connect the dots and determine relationships between all the individuals, looking for links into my know relatives which I have traced back to ~1627 in Birsay, Orkney.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. I'm just not sure where to begin.
Jim
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Hi Jim and welcome to RootsChat......
I have researched the Sabiston line extensively but mostly for my close Sabiston line from Orkney to Canada. I would be very happy to assist you with your research.
Can you give me some back ground on your Sabiston line, omiting personal information for the living of course.
Cheers, Spanish Eyes
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Cheers SE!!
I will try to layout what I have already. It is extensive.
Hendrie Sabiston b.CA1632 Birsay m. ? CA1657.
>s: Johne (John) c.1658-12-12 in Birsay m. ? CA1681.
>>d: Isobel c.1682-10-19 in Birsay m.1723-06-26 George Langskaill
>>s: William c.1685-10-04 in Birsay m. 1719-12-31 Marian Stensger
>>>s: John c.1726-11-27 m.1760-12-19 Marion Johnston b.CA1735
>>>>d: Cathrin c.1758-02-16
>>>>d: Marjory c.1760-07-20
>>>>s: Robert b.1763-08-16 m.1792-02-28 Katharine Bellie b.CA1768
>>>>>s: Robert b.1812-08-02 m.1851-02-13 Margaret Alexander
>>>>>>d: Jessie Margaret c.1852-02-22
>>>>>d: Ann Watt b.1814-07-27 m.1834-03-25 James Sabiston
>>>>>d: Marjory May Irvin b.1816-10-18 m.1850-10-31 Robert Davidson
>>>>>s: James Anderson b.1819-09-12
>>>>>d: Betsy b.1821-12-23
>>>>>s: John Louttit b.1824-07-18
>>>>>s: Samuel b.1827-1-28
>>>>>s: William Allen b.1829-05-17
>>>>>d: Margaret Anderson b.1831-05-08
>>>>>s: Andrew b.1833-08-12
>>>>>s: Thomas b.1835-06-09
>>>>s: James b.1795-09-14 m.1820-12-14 Janet Sinclair
>>>>s: Alexander b.1798-06-06 m.1832-02-28 Margaret Moar
>>>>>d: Catharine b.1832-12-14
>>>>>d: Margaret b.1834-02-19
>>>>>s: Thomas 1836-09-08 d.1859-01-11
>>>>>d: Elizabeth 1840-12-29 m.1869-06-17 James Bell Spence
>>>>>d: Ann b. 1843-01-01
>>>>>d: Janet b 1846-12-29
>>>>>s: John b.1849-05-20 m.1874-03-05 Margaret Robson b.1848-12-08
>>>>>>d: Annie Rosalie b.1878-03-19 m.1902-01-09 James William Spence
>>>>>>>s: James Ronald b.1920-10-06 m. 1947-06-28 June Short
>>>>>>>>s: James Henry SPENCE - me!!!
>>>>>d: Helen Johnston b.1851
>>>>>s: Robert b.1854 d.1864-03-04
>>>>s: Andrew b.1799-10-22
>>>>s: Peter b.1801-10-30 m.1824-05-18 Christian Johnston
>>>>>s: Peter Cummin b.1925-07-03
>>>>>d: Anne Spence b. 1827-01-31
>>>s: Nicol c.1732-07-25
>>s: James c.1687-01-16 m.1719-12-31 Kathrin Whytlay
>>>s: James c.1734-06-30 m.CA1754 Barbara Taylor
Other than place names and some photos, that's about it.
Please help.
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Wow..... that is quite the back ground.
Your line is not a direct line to my Sabiston's but however distant related like all Sabiston's from Orkney.
I can check through my files and see if I have any reports on this line that would be helpfull to you and let you know what I find.
What exactly are you looking for? Where are all these people to have resided? Which country are you researching in to find your line of Sabiston descendants?
Cheers, Spanish Eyes
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The tree is large ... I've only given partials of each of the lines due to space and time. I have a lot more info.
So far, up until my grandparents (James William Spence and Anne Rosalie Sabiston), the Sabistons have all lived in the Birsay area of the Orkneys.
I have a few other Sabiston lines that have married into my line as listed previously. When I get to them, I'll pass the info to you to see if you're linked into one of those...
Take care.
Jim
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Hi Jim
Thanks for the info on your family line, you seem to have your research under control.
I will post you on the email side of RootsChat and give you my home email address. I would like to keep in touch in case we do find the link to the Sabiston families. I also have a contact in the UK that is doing a one name study on the Sabiston's which you may be interested in. He has most Sabiston's recorded from the Orkney and has all the census's.
Cheers, Spanish Eyes
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Jim,
As you have posted here you say you will pass the info to me to see if we are linked between our Sabiston lines.????
The tree is large ... I've only given partials of each of the lines due to space and time. I have a lot more info.
So far, up until my grandparents (James William Spence and Anne Rosalie Sabiston), the Sabistons have all lived in the Birsay area of the Orkneys.
I have a few other Sabiston lines that have married into my line as listed previously. When I get to them, I'll pass the info to you to see if you're linked into one of those...
Take care.
Jim
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I'm looking for any information on the descendants of Thomas Sabiston and Ann Gorie - m.November 16, 1732 in Kirkwall, Orkney. They had 5 children - John, David, Jannet, Magnus and Ann.
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Thomas Sabiston was born Bef 1714 in Orkney. He married Ann Gorie 16 Nov 1732 in Kirkwell & St. Ola, Orkney. She was born Bef 1714 in Orkney.
Thomas Sabiston and Ann Gorie were married 16 Nov 1732 in Kirkwell & St. Ola, Orkney.
Children of Thomas Sabiston & Ann Gorie are:
1- John Sabiston, born 25 May 1734, Holm, Orkney and Baptised 25 May 1734 Holm, Orkney.
2- David Sabiston, born 25 Jan 1735/36, Holm, Orlney and Baptised 25 Jan 1735/36 Holm, Orkney.
3- Janet Sabiston, born 24 jan 1737/38, Holm, Orkney and Baptised 24 Jan 1737/38 Holm, Orkney.
4- Magnus Sabiston, born 19 Oct 1740, Kirkwall, Orkney and Baptised 19 Oct 1740 Kirkwall, Orkney.
5- Ann Sabiston, born 24 Apr 1743, Kirkwall, Orkney and Baptised 24 Apr 1743 Kirkwall, Orkney.
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Dear Spence007,
My great -great -grandfather was William Allen Sabeston who was born in 1829. He is the son of Robert and Robina. He came to Canada with the Hudson Bay Company, married a girl from Toronto, and one of his daughters Georgina, married my great-grandfather David Allan Cameron. William Allen's last name became changed, somehow, to Sebastian. He ran a trading post in Paisley, Ontario, went west with his daughter, Georgina and died in Saskatchewan in 1911.
Cousin Al
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Cousin Al, or should I refer to you as 4th cousin once removed Al.
Check your personal messages
Waiting for your reply.
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I'm looking for any information on the descendants of Thomas Sabiston and Ann Gorie - m.November 16, 1732 in Kirkwall, Orkney. They had 5 children - John, David, Jannet, Magnus and Ann.
I believe I am descendant of Thomas & Ann's son David. My ancestor was David Sabiston born 1750 in NC but could that be the same David Sabiston born 1734 thereabouts? I am interested to tie the United States tree to Orkney with some help? Spanish eyes, Spence007 I believe we have corresponded previously. It appears Stangerlad & Birsayboy may be key? I appreciate any help?
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Anyone have any information on the ancestors of William Kirkness Sabiston who married Louise Rhoda Irvine having a son, William Alexander Sabiston May 22, 1929 in Midhouse, Birsay, Orkney?
William Alexander Sabiston married Mary Stanger Matches. I am related on the Matches side, but my grandmother was a Sabiston so I may be related on the other side as well.
Any info would be appreciated.
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I am descended from James Sabiston born 14 Oct 1795 in The Grue County Birsay who married Janet Sinclair born in Stromness in either 1793 or 1799 and I live in Australia and have a lot of family history.
His father was Robert Sabiston born 1766 who married Catherine Ina Linda Belly (Belli??) who was born in 1768. His father was John Sabiston born in Stromness in 1726. Can you help with any more information please?
regards
Barry-Lion
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Barry: I hope you got my PM. Unfortunately, I forgot to give you my e-mail:
Check your PM file.
Looking forward to hearing from you, cousin!
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James Sabiston's daughter. Elizabeth, born 10 Oct 1835, married John Rawbon of Bristol, Somerset, born06 May 1835 and died on 8 July 1911. They are my garndparent grandparent
Barry-Lion
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My Mother's sister trvelled from melbourne Australia to the Orkney islands to see the original stone homestead which is still standing and was surprised that some of the vuildings there are over 4000 years old.
Barry-Lion
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Hey there Barry.
You wrote:
James Sabiston's daughter. Elizabeth, born 10 Oct 1835, married John Rawbon of Bristol, Somerset, born06 May 1835 and died on 8 July 1911. They are my garndparent grandparent
Barry-Lion
I searched all my sources and couldn't find any matching records for "John Rawbon". Is that the correct spelling? Was he the 1st to go to Australia? If so, no records in the Australian archives either. If not, he didn't appear on the British 1881 census as well.
Can you help?
Jim
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Just found in the Hudson Bay Records a Hugh Sabbeston born about 1772 in Hudson Bay Area, joined the HBC in 1786. Married a Cree woman here. Had 2 sons before he died Nov 20, 1810.
Most likely his father was from Orkney.
Any ideas?
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I'm looking for any information on the descendants of Thomas Sabiston and Ann Gorie - m.November 16, 1732 in Kirkwall, Orkney. They had 5 children - John, David, Jannet, Magnus and Ann.
I believe I am descendant of Thomas & Ann's son David. My ancestor was David Sabiston born 1750 in NC but could that be the same David Sabiston born 1734 thereabouts? I am interested to tie the United States tree to Orkney with some help? Spanish eyes, Spence007 I believe we have corresponded previously. It appears Stangerlad & Birsayboy may be key? I appreciate any help?
I have quite a bit of info on this family and can send you a gedcom file.
Please send me your email address
I am doing a one study or the Sabiston Surname
Alan Hejl
Auckland New Zealand.