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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Northumberland => England => Northumberland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: davey39 on Saturday 04 November 06 21:23 GMT (UK)
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I have been trying to find without success my Great grandparent's in the 1901 census.
Luke and Violet Youll
Luke born abt 1866 Belford
Violet (nee Oliver) born abt 1876 Embleton
They married 1897 and lived in Northumberland
If any one can help me i would be very gratefull
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Hi
Can you tell us
where they were married?
where they were living at marriage?
where they were living after the marriage?
any children by 1901?
Regards
Helen K
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Were Luke Youll and Violet Oliver step-siblings.?
Although C1871 has Luke born in Belford, Northumberland, C1881 has his born in Gateshead, Co Durham.
There is a relevant birth registration at Gateshead DRO, but none at Belford DRO.
There is a marriage registration at Berwick DRO , Dec Quarter 1897 for Luke Youll and Violet Oliver.
Michael Dixon
Newcastle
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Yes Michael Luke and violet were step sibling's, i did think it was a mistake when i saw he was born at Gateshead as all the other sibling's were born at Belford, very interesting,i got his marriage certificate and unfortunately i does not say where he was born,
I know my Grandmother Jane Olive Youll was born in 1900 (their daughter) i think there may have been a couple of children before her and a few after her.
I have have not been able to find anything on Luke and Violet or their children in the 1901 census.
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Davey39,
I think we are all having trouble finding them on C1901.
When having difficulty finding folk on a census, I drop the surname from the search criteria.
But I get no hits for
"violet"... born "embleton" ( and other relevant permutations)
or
"luke" born "belford", etc.
Your g/m, Jane Olive Youll ( was middle name Olive or Oliver ? )... where was she born ?
(Trivia Bit... a million years ago I worked in a "family law" environment... although step-siblings could legally marry, they were prevented from marrying if they had lived in one family unit, even if there was no blood relationship. But more com[plicated than that summary....)
Michael Dixon
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Hello Michael,
Thank you for your reply,and all your hard work looking into my complicated Youll family.
It is strange them marrying each other as yes they were in a household together in 1881 they were at Red Stead's, Howick.
My Grandmother's name was Jane Oliver Youll (sorry i missed off the r)she was born 27/4/1900 at High Thorn,Ellington near Morpeth, she was baptized on 27/5/1900 at Cresswell,Northumberland
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davey39.
On C1891 in Warkworth ( 4261-55-8) a Luke Youll, farm servant, aged 24, is recorded as born Sheriff Hill, Co Durham.
Your Luke was an "Agricultural labourer" on C1881.
On C1891, Violet Oliver, 14, in household of George/Jane Youll, which has moved to Pegswood village ( between Morpeth and Ashington).
No trace of a Belford area-born Luke Youll anywhere on C1891.
Michael Dixon
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I wonder if that is my Luke Youll in1891 at Warkworth because that is where his grandparent's lived in 1841 only then they were called Yule,
Maybe the c1881 were right when it Say's he was born at Gateshead, his father in c1901 George Youll living at Tweedmouth but he is called Yule again.
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And as I mentioned earlier the Luke/Violet masrriage was registered in Dec Quarter of 1897 in Berwick DRO ( which covered Tweedmouth area)
On the birth cert of Jane Oliver Youll... what was Luke's occupation.
Michael Dixon
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They were married 12/11/1897 Berwick register office,
Luke was living at Ord Hill/Mill? Ord and was a farm laborer and Violet was living at Gallow Hill, Belsay
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But what was Luke's occupation on your grannie's birth cert ?
MD
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Sorry,
Luke's occupation was an agricultural laborer
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davey39,
Luke and Violet are not the only Youlls/Yules missing from C1901..
No sign of your g/m
George, b c172
John, b.1877
Thomas, b.c1881
and George Oliver, b. c 1875
( Alexander Youll b. C 1865 Belford, is in Brinkburn 4850-85-1)
Did Luke/Violet have child/ren after Jane Oliver Y ?
I cannot find a birth registration for Jane Oliver Youll/Yule in the 1899-1901 period !!. Was he birth registered at/with Morpeth District Register Office ( or even Ashington, sub-district office under Morpeth ? )
MD
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Hi this is earlier info that you may not have.
Jane Brown may of married a James Oliver 1873 at Glendale.Hannah Youll dies June Qtr 1879 aged 36 yrs at Alnwick,George Youll marries Jane Oliver Dec Qtr 1879 Alnwick.This may explain the different named stepchildren on the 1881 census.Hope this is of some help. Bill.
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Hello Again,
Thank you Michael, i feel better now knowing that it is not only me that can't find my elusive Youll's,yes thank you for Alexander and family,
Children of Luke and Violet i am unsure of d.o.b's of the other's but i do believe my grandmother Jane Oliver Youll was the eldest 1900.
Edward, George , Luke 1908, Margaret, and Twins Violet and Polly.
I also Know that Luke Youll b1866 died 17/5/1947 at Ogle and is buried at Whalton, Violet died at Fawdon House,Longhirst and also buried at Whalton.
The family all stayed in Northumberland.
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davey39,
do you have copy cert of your g/m's birth registration ?
Where was the registration made ?
Does the surname Kerr figure in your line ?
Michael Dixon
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I do not have my grandmother's birth certificate but i do have her baptism certificate,
d.o.b 27/4/1900 baptized 27/5/1900 parish of Cresswell in diocese of Newcastle county of Northumberland name Jane Oliver,parents Luke and Violet surname YOUALL abode High Thorn Ellington,
I think they must have spelt Youall by mistake.
I have never come across the Kerr name in my tree before.
Thank you again
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davey39,
Two problem angles...
a) Youll/Yule folk missing from C1901.
With Jane Oliver Youll baptised in Cresswell 27 May 1900, living at the time at High Thorn , Ellington, one would think that the chances are the family would be there for the 1901 census, 10/11 months later.
The 1901 Enumerator writes his description of District No 31, to include Ellington, Linton, Cresswell and High Thorn (he called it Lighthorn and Lighthorne, and it was seemingly a set of farm dwellings) and other places.
There are 15 pages for Ellington (mostly Linton Colliery), 7 for Cresswell, and one page for a bit of Ellington and Highthorn.
These pages run from 4837-156-1 to 4837-167-23.
The page that covers Highthorn is the last one 4837-167-23.
I have, in the old-fashioned way, gone though each of these 23 pages, and there are no Youlls (or variations) or Lukes or Violets. At/in Highthorn there are 18 people in 3 family sets.
Your Youlls must have moved on soon after the baptism !?
b) On both FreeBMD and Ancestry civil BMD registration sites their is no sign of the birth registration of your g/m.
Parents had 42 days grace to register the birth of their children, with the appropriate DIstrict Register Office, that covered the place where the child was born.
If your g/m was born in Ellington/Cresswell area... Morpeth DRO covered these areas.
If she were born on 27 April 1900, they probably would have registered her before 30 th June 1900, the end of the June
( or Second) Quarter of 1900, at Morpeth DRO ( the DRO had sub-district offices at Bedlington, Morpeth itself and Ashington. Ashington probably the nearest to Ellington/Cresswell)
But I can see no trace of the birth registration of a Jane Oliver Youll/etc in the 1899-1901 period, with Morpeth DRO
( or any other in Northumberland)
Now clutching at straws !
Michael Dixon
AND NO WONDER....
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davey39.
I have just seen the bottom of my last post
"And no wonder" has no relevance to what I wrote about C1901 etc, so please disregard it.
MD
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Hi Michael,
The Youll's have honestly been a complete nightmare, i thought the tree would be easy to follow with being such an unusual name.
Thank you for all your help, it is so kind of you to look through all the pages for them.