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Hi Looking for Mother Father any sisters or brothers of William Gollop Born aprox. 1837 Charmouth Lyme Regis Dorset England Any help greatly appreciated al b
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Hi Al b
1851: Charmouth, Lyme Dorset
Ref: HO107/ Piece 1862- Folio 19- Pg30
ADDRESS: Charmouth Street
Surname: GOLLOP:
Head: Edward 37, Mason, b Honiton Devon
Wife: Sarah 35, b Charmouth
Son: William 14, Shoemaker Apprentice, b Charmouth
Dau: Mary Ann 11, Scholar At Home b Charmouth
Son: Edward 8, Scholar At Home, b Charmouth
Dau: Lucy 3, Scholar At Home, b Charmouth
Son: Henry 6? months, b Charmouth
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi
1861
William Gollop 1838 Charmouth Lodger cordwainer
Frances Gollop 1837 Charmouth Wife
John Hunter 1795 Charmouth
Living at Charmouth Street
RG9 1370 folio 13 pg 19
Mimosa
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1871
William Gollop 35 Shoemaker
Francis Gollop 36
Francis Gollop 9
Elizabeth A Gollop 6
William Gollop 3
Emily J Gollop 1
RG10 2031 folio 18 pg26
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Thank You Ambly he was great grandpa
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Hi Al b
Here is 1841 but no William with them....
Lyme, Charmouth , Dorset
Hundred of Whitchurch Canonicorum
REF: : HO107/280/11 , FOlio 12, pg21
ADDRESS: Old Lyme Road
Edward GOLLOP 27 Mason - N
Sarah GOLLOP 27 - Y
Mary Ann GOLLOP 1 - Y
J'no HODG(EN?)S 6 - Y
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thankyou Mimosa
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Here's Gt Gt Grandpa in 1861 ;D
1861: Lyme Charmouth Dorset
REF: RG9/ Piece 1370- Folio 14- Pg22
ADDRESS: Old Lyme Road
Surname GOLLOP:
Head: Edward 49, Mason, b Honiton Devon*
Wife: Sarah 45
Son: Edward 18, Masons Apprentice
Dau: Louisa 13
Son: Henry 10, Scholar
Son: Alfred 7, Scholar
Son: Ernest 3
*All others born Charmouth
Cheers
AMBLY
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And 1871, 1891
1871: Lyme Charmouth Dorset
REF: RG10/ Piece 2031- Folio17- Pg24
ADDRESS: Old Lyme Road
Surname: GOLLOP
Head: Edward 62, Mason, b Honiton Devon*
Wife: Sarah 55
Son: Henry 19, unm, Mason
Son: Alfred 17, unm, Mason
Dau: Louisa 24, unm
Son: Ernest 13, Scholar
*All others born Charmouth
As I suspected it may show eventually, daughter Louisa is described on the 1871 by the unfortunate term "idiot".
1891: Lyme Charmouth Dorset
REF: RG12/Piece 1666- Folio 12 - Pg15
ADDRESS: Old Lyme Road
Surname: GOLLOP
Head: Edward 79, Retired Mason
Wife: Sarah 76
Dau: Louisa 43, (imbecile)
Next door:
Surname: GOLLOP
Head: Edward** 33 Builder,
Wife: Lucy H 35
Son: Ivan 8, Scholar
Dau: Daisy 5 Scholar
All listed born Charmouth, both households - incl. Edward Snr.
** I think it's an enumerator error to name the son next door as Edward - in Census 1901 the husband of Lucy H is Ernest.
Cheers
AMBLY
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ANd here's gt gt Grandma in 1901:
1901: Chard, Somerset
REF: RG13/ Piece 2293- Folio 20- Pg31
ADDRESS: Fore Street
Head: Henry ELSTON 57, Blacksmith (Employer) b Stockland Devon
Wife: Mary A ELSTON 60, b Charmouth Dorset [Blind]
Dau: Beatrice ELSTON 20, unm, Housekeeper, b Chard SOmerset
Son: Reginald ELSTON 15, Butcher, b Chard SOmerset
Mother-in-Law: Sarah GOLLOP 88, wid, b Charmouth Dorset [Blind]
ServL: Simeon WOOLMINGTON 19, unm, Blacksmith - Worker , b (Not Known)
Still not winkling out William in 1841 though!
Cheers
AMBLY
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:) Hi Al b, Do you have marriage deatails now of Edward and Sarah? Is it likely that Jnr Hodges is William so maybe Sarahs son before she married Edward ???
regards cheryle.f
I spent ages looking for him but like Ambly no luck, so this is the only thing i can come up with.
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:) I would like Ambly to have a look at this and and throw in thoughts on it. I may be barking up the wrong ;D tree ;D here.......
1839 Dorchester & C Oct Nov Dec 1839
Sarah Ann Hodges and William Gollop 8 05
Maybe son of Sarah took Williams name and William Gollop called himself by his middle name?
I am still having another look for a possible marriage
cheryle.f
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i have these 3 baptisms for williams siblings but alas no william-
mary ann gollop bapt 2nd aug 1840 charmouth
edward samuel bapt 5th march 1843 charmouth
eliza louise bapt 31st oct 1847 charmouth
parents edward gollop and sarah
regards
alli
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:) Hi Alli.....do you know if Charmouth would come under Dorchester & c in 1839?
cheryle
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:) One Step forward two steps back....there is another marriage.
Sarah Clarke and Edward Gollop 26 Dec 1836 Charmouth
but what is important to remember is that Gollop was a very common name in Charmouth..........and why couldnt Alli find a birth for William under Parents Edward and Sarah? but could find all the other children. I had a look at the 41 Alli and thought that the enumerator entered JNO as abbreviation for John Hodges.. What do you think? On the same page Jno is written a few times more even in an instance where the male head of house has a son but not of the same name.
regards cheryle
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the 41 certailey reads like jno(abb for john) hodger/s 6yrs.maybe its a nephew and not son william?maybe he was with relatives in 41?
just a thought
regards
alli
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Hi Al,
Hi Cheryle and Alli
I've just got up and and see how busy you've been! ;D ;D
He's a bit difficult to find 1841 isn't he? Like you I've checked GOLL*P/ GALL*P with with Wm, William etc and the only one I found in DOrset right age certainly looked like he belonged to the house he was in....I think I even checked for all Williams in Charmouth and have a feeling there were none at all.
My closing thought for the day, was that he could be one of the 2 William GOLLOPS of the right age in Honiton Devon (where Edward was from) - they do both say born in Devon but that could be an error. Maybe should follow this up as finding William in 1841 may lead Al back to at least one Gt Gt Gt ;D
Who do you think may be Edwards parents - there's a number on the IGI. I thought should try and narrow tthem down too ..,,,,
Will get a couple of coffees under my belt first - be interesting to see what you think! My other thought was that, if Sarah was from a different parish, William may actually have been baptised there - being as he looks like he's the eldest, Sarah may have went home to Mum for his birth???? I also thought the boy in 1841 with Ed & Sarah would likely be a nephew - can we find him later on maybe...
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi and thanks to all On her say and bits and pcs.I remember grandma saying that Her fathers father was a mason so I think you have the right one I may have the wrong year of birth for William could be why he didnt show up on 1841 . Thanks again you people ar the best ;D ;) al b
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:-\ Hi everyone.....
Oct NOv Dec 1839 William Gollop Tiverton X 269 ??? ??? maybe .......maybe not
curioser and curioser....cheryl
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:) 1841 Charmouth.....John Hodges the butcher and family could be Sarah's brother.....so maybe family of John Hodges age 6 with Edward and Sarah in 41.....havent found William living with anyone in Charmouth.
regards cheryle.f
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Hi cheryle Never herd of John Hodges she might of had him befor she married Edward. Dont have a marriage cert. How does a person find them? ;D al b
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Hi Al and all ;D
It certainly looks as if the Charmouth family of Edward & Sarah GOLLOP are your William's family - there was not, as it happens another more obvious Census choice for your William b abt 1837 other that these ones. The names, location , occupations age all fits....I also think you are right in his age - for if yours did marry Francis, it seems he consistently returned a YOB circa 1837.
There is an extracted Birth on the IGI for :
William James GOLLOP born 20 APr 1837, Chr 4 May 1837 Independant, Charmouth
Parents are Edward GOLLOP & Sarah CLARKE
Do you have any evidence anywhere of your William having a middle name? Though perhaps it was a Christening name and never thereafter used by the parents or himself. Also interesting to note that Edward & Sarah's dau Louise was baptised with another first Christian name that doesn't show anywhere else, not even on her death record (probably 1895 per FREEBMD)
I do wonder if William is Devon in 1841...The key to deciding if this is a possibility is in discovering who 'your' Edward's parents are
There are 2 WIlliam GOLLOP's in Honiton 1841 both say born in Devon - and I believe they are are probably related (cousins?). One is with parents James & Charlotte and he's with them in 1851 too born in Honiton, , and I believe this William he went on to marry a Mary Underdown and is in Census thru with her.
The other one is this:--
1841: Homiton, Devon - Hundred of Axminster
REF: HO107/200/20, Fol 5 - Pg4
ADDRESS: Crown & Sceptre Court
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Ester GOLLOP 65, Lace Maker - N
Ann GOLLOP 30 Lace Maker - Y
Temperance GOLLOP 30 Lace Maker - Y
Henry GOLLOP 11, Shoe Maker - Y
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William GOLLOP 4 - Y
Mary DRAKE 15 Lace Maker Y
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the / & // marks denote they were in the same house and in this case I would have thought, that the first 4 were nuclear mother and daughters, with Henry being the son of one of the 2 younger women) and the other 2 chd were not so nuclear ie possibly grandchildren who parent(s) are not in the house? The IGI lists 2 children to Esther and Edward GOLLOP: Edward and Temperance. No Ann.
Of course the William in 1841 with Ester may not even have been born Honiton, but I can't find evidence of a second William GOLLOP born Honiton circa 1837 on any Census other than the son of Henry & Charlotte.........
This website:
http://au.geocities.com/rjwatson1926/watsondatabase/aqwg49.htm
Talks of an Ann GOLLOP who went on to marry William E MADDOCK. - indicates Temperance was Ann's sister and Henry was probably Temperance's son.
In 1851 they are all together in Devon.. In 1861 Henry GOLLOP, a Bootmaker, is married to a Mahala with children, one of whom is named Ester.
This researcher then goes on, it appears, to list a James GOLLOP b 1811 and Mary, of Honiton - he does not list an Ann as a daughter but he does note that James & Mary and their family live on Crown & Sceptre court in 1841, the same as Ann does ( we know, with Ester).
He also then lists James and Charlotte GOLLOP, the parents of the other William I found in 1841 Honiton.
He also then states Ann GOLLOP was the daughter of Esther.
http://au.geocities.com/rjwatson1926/watsondatabase/aqwg46.htm#1626
and that Ester's husband was Edward:
http://au.geocities.com/rjwatson1926/watsondatabase/aqwg46.htm#1627
He then lists children of Esther & Edward as Ann, Temperance, Henry and WIlliam - but patenly wrong I beleive, in the last two - Ester would have been too old to give birth to them herself (besides which he elsewhere states Henry is a nephew of Ann, not a brother).
It may be worth contacting the website owner to see what more he may have on these GOLLOP's - ie: on the Esther & Edward GOLLOP and their son Edward....
Email link for them is on home page here:
http://au.geocities.com/rjwatson1926/
Cheers
AMBLY
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This website:
http://www.swmaritime.org.uk/article.php?articleid=274&atype=m
Talks of a Henry Gollop of Charmouth who sailed to Newfoundland in 1872. He arrived with his cousin Edwin Clarke, both stonemasons......
I'm thinking this may well be your William;'s brother Henry.....
There's an email address to contact the person with this information
Cheers
AMBLY
PS: On Topic:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,194415.msg962391.html#msg962391
I've given you some hopefully helpful links to learn how to go about getting English BDM Certificates post 1837 and about Parish registers pre 1837. As I mentioned there, looks you'll be needing some certs soon!
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There are 2 Edward GOLLOP's born or Chr in Honiton DEVON on the IGI who could be 'our Edward':
1) born 7 May 1810 (chr 24 May 1811) to parents Edward & Esther
2) Chr 25 Dec 1816 to Parents Henry & Elizabeth
It's very possible these two Edwards are related in any case but....
"Our" Edward appears to return a YOB of circa 1812-1814 on all Census except 1871 where it indicates, frustratingly, 1809!
His most likely death is registered Bridport, Dorset 1899 age 84 - YOB abt 1815.
The frustrating bit comes in because:
Apart of from 'our' Honiton Edward on the Census 1841 thru 1891 - there appears another one:
1861: Edward GOLLOP 52 b Honiton Devon, about 1809. (wife is Mary A born St Giles age 41) He was a Coachman.
1881: He's down as Edward GOLOP age 67 (YOB 1814)
And probable death: Edward GOLLOP in Lambeth 1886 , age 73 (YOB 1813).
This Lambeth Edward, I cannot find any other Census 1841, 51, 71.
The idea was, if the 2 Census EDwards are the 2 IGI Edward's - to try identify which was which parent wise!
And of course this may all be wrong entirely re your Edward's birth family - who we only look at becasue of the possibilty of who that lad in Honiton with Esther in 1841 might be! I actually do think the famlies fit together somehow anyway..... but.....
Your William GOLLOP may be on a Census with the wrong surname "Dittoed" - for example with CLARKE family and ditto surnamed as CLARKE.
Cheers
AMBLY
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;D ;D Fantastic Stuff ;D ;D Ambly
( i only wish that was info connected with my family) ;)
best wishes cheryle.f
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Hi all Dont have much to go on These were Grandmas people All I have is grandmas old birth cert. Says Registration district Axminster Birth sub district Lyme in the counties Devon Dorset. Her father listed as William Gollop Mother as Mary Ann Gollop late Hodder formerly Gordge. Lists his profession as Stone Merchants Labourer. She was born 1886 the 81 census lists him as 44. He was fishing with a brother and was killed in a rocg slide in the 1890s I hope this will help Grandma died 1973 at 87. al b
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Al b! :o
You've nearly given me heart failure - but I''ve taken a breath ....perhaps all is not wasted yet.
But may I just say - all that lovely biographical information and the 1881 info you just posted up, it should have been at the beginning of this post in your oriiginal query!!! At the very least, chucked into the pot when Mimosa put up the wife named Francis . When you thanked us all, and said he was your grandpa - we all assumed we were on the right track when perhaps we were not at all!
The more information you can provide, no matter how small, can better help us better help you - not only that, but it also avoids needless, needle searching (it's sometimes quite a time-consuming challenge to find people) and also lessens the risk of your posts being ignored because they are too vague.
That old original issue birth cert you have - gold - it's your best key to the past. For a start, from that cert you know the 1881 Census is therefore correct and is the base to work from......Yes, Charmouth is covered by the Axminster Registration District, sub RD is Lyme. As it happens, Axminster RD also covers some Devonshire towns, including Honiton.
If you haven't already, have a play around with FREEBMD for some of your family, and take the opportunity to click on the District names to see what the definitions of them is. For example, use the SEARCH facility and see if you can find a probable listing for Frances GOLLOP's death......or William's? and most importantly: the one for the cert you really need next: the marriage of William to Mary Ann.
http://www.freebmd.rootsweb.com/
Can you tell us:
You mention William was fishing with a Brother when he was sadly killed: - Where diid this happen? And do you know the brother's name?
So Got that off my chest, and starting from the start.....
It looks like, that your William in 1881 is here - was he widowed by Frances??
1881: Lyme Regis, Dorset
RG11/ Piece 2126- Folio 62- Pg25
ADDRESS: Horse Street
Head: William GOLLOP 44, Widower, Boatman, b Lyme Regis, Charmouth
Son: Frank GOLLOP 20 unm, Boatman
Dau: Emily GOLLOP 13, Scholar
Dau: Sarah GOLLOP 11, Scholar
Dau: Mary GOLLOP 9, Scholar
Son: Alfred GOLLOP 3
Visit: Mary Ann HODDER 23, marr, Housekeeper
Son Samuel HODDER 3, b Morecombslake* Dorset
*All other born Charmouth
Now just to clarify and revisit Mimosa's 1871 Census post (prv pg 1).
1871 - ADDRESS: Old Lyme Road, Charmouth
Head: William Gollop 35 Shoemaker
Wife Frances Gollop 36
Son: Francis Gollop 9
Dau: Elizabeth A Gollop 6
Son: William Gollop 3
Dau: Emily J Gollop 1
QUESTIONS RAISED
RE: CENSUS 1871
1. The road they are living on is the same road as this William GOLLOP's (very likley) parents, Edward & Sarah.
2. On the same page, same street. is James HODGES a Butcher, with wife Susan and their family (is this the one you saw Cheryle? ;D)
3. William has changed occupations - after being a Shoemaker/Cordwainer since 1841
RE: CENSUS 1881
If this is the same family as 1871 -
1. Where is Sarah in 1871 age abt 1 - or is her age out in 1881?
2. Where is Elizabeth A age 16, William age 13?
3..Is Emily J age 1 in 1871 the same as Emily age 13 in 1881?
So, off to see where that leads.....
Cheers
AMBLY
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:) Yes....sorry Ambly...I really should have waited to see what road you were going down before putting my big size nines in. When i checked Charmouth page by page it just struck me as strange that there were so many Hodge/s family in close prox to the Gollops but i think i only found one lady with the surname Clarke and she was elderly.....so i was still banking on Sarah being Sarah Ann Hodge/s and not Sarah Clarke. But either way births have now come up for William Gollop(son)in Charmouth child of Edward and Sarah....so i will just watch from the sidelines with great interest ;D
regards cheryle
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Hi All Been trying to get all this info together. My mother ( no relation) Had that old birth cert. and she has been trying to remember the old tales . He quit the stone mason work because of wife illness and Mary Ann Hodder mooved in to take care of wife untill she passed on than he married Mary Ann He was fishing with brother Edward we think. Must have been off the coast where there was a high mountain or clift. Rock slide His brother was saved. As far as his family and Hodges cant help at all. Mom is 80 and takes a while to think. These were my fathers people and he is gon also. Thanks again to everyone shure is interesting al b
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Hi all Just looking at that Ann Gollop 41 cen. Might have been an aunt and william was staying with her is why he was not on the 41 cen. at home :D al b
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Hi Al
Yep, that was the idea: not so much that Ann was his Aunt - but that Esther was his Granny. Ie: that Esther was mother, Ann & Temperance were her daughters, Henry was son of either Temperance or Ann, & William could be a Grandson and Mary Drake could be another grandchild .
The problem is, this 1841 Census has that William enumerated as born Devon. So while it is something to keep in mind as you get back further and eventually confirm William's parents and his 2 sets of grandparents you won't know if that's a real possibility, and even then, you'd have to know who everyone married and bred from this large family before you could safely conclude that William 41 is your William...Like I also said, he could be with relatives on his maternal side and incorrectly be down as their surname. ...daunting, but think of the fun you'll have chasing them all!
Cheers
AMBLY
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This is the only one I can find for 1891:
1891:Lyme Regis, Dorset
REF: RG12; Piece: 1666; Folio 58; Page 31
ADDRESS: Lynch
Surname: GOLLOP
William 45, Stone Merchants Labourer, b Charmouth
Wife: Mary Ann 34, b Charmouth
Son: Samuel G, 15, Stone Merchants Labourer, b Charmouth
Dau: Elizabeth 10, b Lyme
Son: James 8, Scholar, b Lyme
Dau: Rose 5, Scholar, b Lyme
Son: John 2, Scholar, b Lyme
If this is him, and I think it is - William's age is way out here - should be 55 by all accounts, may be an enumerators error.
Samuel G GOLLOP is probably Mary Ann's son Samuel George HODDER b 1877 by her first marriage, though age is out too.
And 1901 - looks like Mary Ann remarried - there is no head of house listed:
1901: Lyme Regis Dorset
REF: RG13/ Piece: 2015- Folio 35;-Pg20
ADDRESS: Pickle Square
Wife: Mary A ROBERTS 47, Charwoman, b Charmouth
Son: Henry F HODDER 19, Navvy on Railway, b Lyme Regis
Son: John GOLLOP 13, Errand Boy Port Shoe Shop, b Lyme Regis
Son: Thomas GOLLOP 8, Scholar b Lyme Regis
Dau: Bessie E T GOLLOP 5, Scholar, b Lyme Regis
Dau: Jessie ROBERTS 2 months, b Lyme Regis
Also need to clarify Mimosa post re the 1861:
1861: Charmouth Street
Head: John HUNTER 66, Widower, Dealer in Fossils , b Charmouth
Lodger: William GOLLOP 23, cordwinder (not wainer!) b Charmouth
Wife: Frances GOLLOP 24,
Living at Charmouth Street
RG9 1370 folio 13 pg 19
John HUNTER is very likely Frances' father.
Fossil Dealer ? I'm sure it says that - with the old fashioned double 's' thing!
All those echildren to sort out - and find - seems like they are all over the place in Census!
Per FREEBMD: Likely (not proven!):
William GOLLOP married Frances HUNTER 1860
Mary Ann GORGE married George HODDER 1876
Frances GOLLOP died 1878
George HODDER died 1885
Willam GOLLOP married Mary Ann HODDER 1885
William GOLLOP died 1893
Mary Ann GOLLOP married John Thomas ROBERTS 1899
Cheers
AMBLY
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The Census children.....the ones not on one census to another.....
Some would need a bit of digging and certs to identify - they could be out working away from home & family if over age 13, the girls could be married after age 16 etc etc however:
I think WIlliam GOLLOP b 1868 to William & Frances on 1871, could have married an Annie - and he is in Lyme Dorset 1891 with wife & chd including a dau named Frances. I can't find him however in 1881 or 1901.
I think Francis the son b 1862 to William & Frances on 1871 & 1881, may have married an Elizabeth GORGE (FREEBMD) but I can't find him on 1891 or 1901
But the BEST is:
The son Alfred GOLLOP b 1878 to William & Frances, who is with widower William in 1881 (and Frances may have died giving birth to him). In 1891 age abt 13 he is not with William & step-mother Mary Ann- the only possible find for him is here:
1891: Chard SOmerset
RG12/ Piece1893- Folio 44- pg19
ADDRESS: Fore STreet
Head: Henry ELSTON 47, Master Blacksmith, b Heathsbeck Devon
Wife: Mary A ESLTON 50, b Charmouth, Dorset
Dau: FLorence A ELSTON 17, unm, Dressmaker Apprentice, b Chard, Somerset
Dau: Sarah A ELSTON 13, Scholar, b Chard, Somerset
Dau: Beatrice A ELSTON 11, Scholar, b Chard, Somerset
Son: Reginald A ELSTON 5, Scholar, b Chard SOmerset
Boarder: Thomas PARRETT 21, Blacksmith Apprentice, b Charmouth Dorset
Boarder: Alfred GOLLOP 15, b Charmouth Dorset
Recognise the Somerset address and the people?
It the same people and address where Sarah GOLLOP age 88 - William's probable mother - was at in 1901! Mary Ann ELSTON, I am 99.999% sure will prove to be nee Mary Ann GOLLOP, dau of Edward GOLLOP & Sarah CLARKE and sister of your William. ie: Alfred is boarding at his Aunt's house in 1891.
So full circle I have come, and smiling I am I am, since it seems we could be on the right track all the while ;D
But, that marriage cert of William GOLLOP to Mary Ann HODDER nee GORGE - since this you know for a fact is right - is needed to start the ball of proof rolling and confirm if your William's dad was indeed Edward the mason.
Cheers ;D
AMBLY
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Hi Ambly First of all the 1891 With William stone merchant labourer is correct Rose 5 is Grandma.Samual was Mary anns son She talked about her younger brother John and brother James John died at about 19 and her and james didnt speak Dont recall gm. saying her mother re maried Mimosa 1860 lists William as lodger could have rented when he first married. Looks like old William couldnt make up his mind on a trade. Also Francis died of an ailment I d say like cancer she was sick for about three years. Mary Ann Hodder was care giver. Also some of them lived with relatives money was tight. As I get more info will post Thanks again al.b
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Hi again How do I go about getting that marrage cert. ? al b
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Hi Al and all ;D
It certainly looks as if the Charmouth family of Edward & Sarah GOLLOP are your William's family - there was not, as it happens another more obvious Census choice for your William b abt 1837 other that these ones. The names, location , occupations age all fits....I also think you are right in his age - for if yours did marry Francis, it seems he consistently returned a YOB circa 1837.
There is an extracted Birth on the IGI for :
William James GOLLOP born 20 APr 1837, Chr 4 May 1837 Independant, Charmouth
Parents are Edward GOLLOP & Sarah CLARKE
Do you have any evidence anywhere of your William having a middle name? Though perhaps it was a Christening name and never thereafter used by the parents or himself. Also interesting to note that Edward & Sarah's dau Louise was baptised with another first Christian name that doesn't show anywhere else, not even on her death record (probably 1895 per FREEBMD)
I do wonder if William is Devon in 1841...The key to deciding if this is a possibility is in discovering who 'your' Edward's parents are
There are 2 WIlliam GOLLOP's in Honiton 1841 both say born in Devon - and I believe they are are probably related (cousins?). One is with parents James & Charlotte and he's with them in 1851 too born in Honiton, , and I believe this William he went on to marry a Mary Underdown and is in Census thru with her.
The other one is this:--
1841: Homiton, Devon - Hundred of Axminster
REF: HO107/200/20, Fol 5 - Pg4
ADDRESS: Crown & Sceptre Court
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Ester GOLLOP 65, Lace Maker - N
Ann GOLLOP 30 Lace Maker - Y
Temperance GOLLOP 30 Lace Maker - Y
Henry GOLLOP 11, Shoe Maker - Y
/
William GOLLOP 4 - Y
Mary DRAKE 15 Lace Maker Y
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the / & // marks denote they were in the same house and in this case I would have thought, that the first 4 were nuclear mother and daughters, with Henry being the son of one of the 2 younger women) and the other 2 chd were not so nuclear ie possibly grandchildren who parent(s) are not in the house? The IGI lists 2 children to Esther and Edward GOLLOP: Edward and Temperance. No Ann.
Of course the William in 1841 with Ester may not even have been born Honiton, but I can't find evidence of a second William GOLLOP born Honiton circa 1837 on any Census other than the son of Henry & Charlotte.........
This website:
http://au.geocities.com/rjwatson1926/watsondatabase/aqwg49.htm
Talks of an Ann GOLLOP who went on to marry William E MADDOCK. - indicates Temperance was Ann's sister and Henry was probably Temperance's son.
In 1851 they are all together in Devon.. In 1861 Henry GOLLOP, a Bootmaker, is married to a Mahala with children, one of whom is named Ester.
This researcher then goes on, it appears, to list a James GOLLOP b 1811 and Mary, of Honiton - he does not list an Ann as a daughter but he does note that James & Mary and their family live on Crown & Sceptre court in 1841, the same as Ann does ( we know, with Ester).
He also then lists James and Charlotte GOLLOP, the parents of the other William I found in 1841 Honiton.
He also then states Ann GOLLOP was the daughter of Esther.
http://au.geocities.com/rjwatson1926/watsondatabase/aqwg46.htm#1626
and that Ester's husband was Edward:
http://au.geocities.com/rjwatson1926/watsondatabase/aqwg46.htm#1627
He then lists children of Esther & Edward as Ann, Temperance, Henry and WIlliam - but patenly wrong I beleive, in the last two - Ester would have been too old to give birth to them herself (besides which he elsewhere states Henry is a nephew of Ann, not a brother).
It may be worth contacting the website owner to see what more he may have on these GOLLOP's - ie: on the Esther & Edward GOLLOP and their son Edward....
Email link for them is on home page here:
http://au.geocities.com/rjwatson1926/
Cheers
AMBLY
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HI The only thing I have on a middle name is Grandmas one brother was named James Gollop the other was John and dads middle name was James don't know if that was for King James or something else. Have to go back through the 100+ pages I have on that very interesting Cheers al b
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Hi al B
Yes I belong to the family with temperence gollop...she is my 5th grandmother and her parents ester and edward are my 6th grandparents...but I don't know anything before that...I have a picture of their home in honiton on 37 high st.
The gollops can trace their ancestry back to 1465 when they arrived in England from either Scotland or Scandanavia and fought as soldiers of fortune for Edward IV, they did so well that John was given the heiress Alice Temple in marriage and so inherited a large part of Devon. The family continued to prosper and the line descended unbroken to the present day. Although we can assume we are descended from the original John Gollop it is difficult to ascertain where our part of the family branches off.
I'm trying to connect the two since edward was born in 1778, thats 300 yrs to fill that gap!
Oh if anyone wants to know...temperence had henry out of wedlock and her sister ann did indeed marry william maddock and she had a son named william and a daughter named emma.
any help in connecting these will be great as I live in canada...I hope the photo of my cousin's in front of temperence's house uploads okay.
Thanks again Al b
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HI again Still diging lots to read My Great Great grandfather was William Gollop He was my Grandmothers father. He was killed 1893 by a rock slide while fishing I have a pic of him send me a personal message and We can swap e mail address's al b ;D
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Hi again
William and John are very popular names for the Gollop family...My dad was william henry..his dad was william arthur, his dad was william henry, who was killed in ww1 and is buried in belgium (my father was named after him) and his father was william barber gollop who is the son of Henry gollop
from honiton...I don't know for sure if it was henry or william barber that made the move to battersea
from devon, I think your william is from the dorset line but I believe they will hook up together in the preceding generations. It's hard to find without census for the earlier year...I think we need more church records I'm new on this site..not sure how to send you a personal message...I hit the email icon at top...see how that works
cheer pamzilla
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Hi Pamzilla,
I have been reading all of the information in your posts and I think that there is some connection to my great great grandfather Henry Gollop. He sailed to Newfoundland in 1872 from Charmouth, England with his cousin Edward Clarke. They were both stonemasons.
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;D Hi Pam Seems to me somewhere down the line I came across the name of Edward Clark going back through the hundreds of pages I Have everything that was posted
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Hi there,
My great, great, great grandmother was Sarah Clarke and her husband was Edward Gollop. I'm doing some research on my family tree for a essay I'm doing. Just wondering if I could trace someone to my family line. His first name is unknown, F. Gollop. He died on the Titanic, Born around 1884 in Southampton. His last known address was 27 Briton Street Southampton. If anyone at all knows anything about him or who his relatives are could you please let me know. Thanks so very much.
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Pardon me butting in ..... it may be of no help so have a look anyway.
Roger Gollop married Elizabeth Twitchin at Andover 1640.
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Roger GOLLOP purchased Stanbridge Manor Southampton in 1652 and was recorder of Southampton 1671-77 and MP for that borough in 1659.
Joe .... an innocent bystander
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There is a website http://www.freshford.com/gollop that gives a lot of information of Edward and Sarah Gollop my Great Great Grandparents Hope this is helpful