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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: Ruskie on Tuesday 07 November 06 01:42 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
I'm back again with this **** Guntrip/Guntrup/Guntrupt family!
Just when I thought I was getting somewhere, I got a birth certificate but frustratingly I can't read the mother's surname!!
Is anyone able do a lookup for me please? If possible I would like to discover the mother's maiden name.
I have:
son: James born 18 July 1838
father: William Guntrip, labourer
mother: Elizabeth Slardley / Standley / Sla**ley?
birth registered by the mother on the 6th August 1838.
If anyone happens to see anything else about William Guntrip and Elizabeth S****y, like their marriage for example, I would really appreciate the information.
I have previously been given many marriages of many Guntrips (thanks Tazzie) from 1837 to 1854, but a marriage between William and Elizabeth is not in the list. Looking at dates of birth of their children I think this marriage must have taken place prior to 1837?
To assist (maybe?) I have the following:
1841 census: the family is living in the borough of Buckingham, parish: precinct of Prebend End, place: Church End.
1851 census: the family is living in the parish of Radclive cum Chackmore, Bath Lane. This census indicates all of the family was born in Buckingham. William aged 42, born 1809. Elizabeth aged 45, born 1806. The oldest child at home is Elizabeth aged 19, born 1832.
I have a load of information about all the Guntrip families in this area (thanks to Karenlee for the census). It is particularly William and Elizabeth I am looking for more information about.
Thank you to all.
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Good morning Ruskie...
How are you?
I am going in on Thursday to check Drayton Parslow for a couple so could have a check through then for you.
I cannot remember looking pre 1837 so not sure what the writing or condition will be like so fingers crossed.
Tazzie
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Aw, you're such a sweetie Tazzie. Thanks so much.
It's Elizabeth's maiden name I hope to find. And the marriage of William and Elizabeth if at all possible.
Remember how confusing those darn Guntrips are ... all the same names ... same jobs ... all living together ...
You know there are even two James born around the same time. (The wrong one has father Thomas and mother Susannah).
So nice of you to help.
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William Guntrip married in Buckingham 20th June 1830 to Elizabeth Standley.
I checked the baptisms in Buckingham 1805 - 1812 with no luck I'm afraid.
Jo
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Wow , Jo that was quick ,where do you do your checks?
Ruskie will be pleased this lot are a real headache to find and sort the families.
Tazzie
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Hi again
I live in Aylesbury and go to the records office at least once a week. Tuesday and sometimes Friday like this week.
Jo
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Oh. I am in Milton Keynes thought there was a chance of bumping into you along the way. Only been to the Aylesbury records office once.
Tazzie
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Jo,
You are brilliant, thanks ever so much for that! Did you happen to notice if they married in St John the Evangelist in Radclive? (If not, it doesn't matter).
And thanks for looking for the baptisms too Jo.
Taz, if your kind offer is still open and you have some time to look for William or Elizabeth's births that would be much appreciated. I guess they could be anywhere though ....
With a marriage in 1830 and child Elizabeth born in 1832, I bet they managed to produce at least one child before Elizabeth - no doubt one of those 6 month pregnancies that were so popular at the time.
Taz, remember how puzzling I found the name change from Guntrip to Gunthorpe? During the free Ancestry access a couple of days ago, I had a look for the name Guntrip in one of Ancestry's 'origins of surnames' books. They said that Guntrip/Gunthorpe has the same origin and meaning. Still, one of them one day must have thought, "um, same meaning, sounds a bit similar ... think I'll call myself Gunthorpe from now on".
Thanks again Jo, Tazzie is right, I am very pleased!
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I will check when I go on Friday if Tazzie doesn't beat me to it.
Jo
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Thanks Jo, that's really kind of you. But please don't spend time on my lookups at the expense of your own research.
I will be most grateful for anything you find.
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Sorry ....not much luck in Milton Keynes.
Births on the fiche are very dark so not easy to read.
Jo are they in book form pre 1812 in the record office. If transcribed they will be easier to read.
Can only add witnesses to the marriage in 1830
William Ayres John Tivenick?
Mary Standley.
Tazzie
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Hi Tazzie
I always check the transcriptions before the films but in this case it was post 1812 so I went to the films. I doubt they were born Astwood as it is not Buckingham or near.
Jo
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hi Jo....(eyes aching now).
The print on the fiche is very dark and heavy ( unusually) so does not come out clearly. In MK they do not have books for Buckingham.
We have had others stating born Radclive Chackmore Dadford so could be around this same area.
Tazzie
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Tazzie and Jo,
You've been busy while I've been asleep!
You guys are terrific. Thanks a million for your interest and efforts.
It's great to have the witnesses to the marriage, thanks Taz. Ummm ... a Mary Standley!
I've been looking at old maps of Buckingham - trying to locate the places where these Guntrips hung out, but there are some places I can't find.
I love this old map:
http://met.open.ac.uk/genuki/big/eng/BKM/hundreds/buckinghammap1847.html
It is the "hundreds" though so I don't know if that actually includes all of Buckinghamshire. Invariably these families live in close proximity to eachother, many are small places, but there are SO many OF these villages/towns! Like looking for a needle in a haystack.
At least Mary Stokes (who married James Guntrip) told us via the census that she was born in Dadford (thanks Mary). No clues at all with these earlier Guntrips and Standleys. Only thing I can think of it to check if there are any Standleys in the 51 census - perhaps they may all come from a particular village? Wishful thinking? Yup!
Jo and Taz - I'm really grateful for your help.
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Hi Ruskie....
Standley's 1851....
HO107/1724 F 178 P0161 North End Buckingham
Standley Jonathan hd m 60 Buckingham bricklayer ( ;D)
Jane wi f 60 Chipping Warden Nths
Elizabeth da f 21 Buckingham
Mary Ann gd f 4 months
Standley Israel hd m 56 Buckingham bricklayer
Sarah wi f 56 Banbury
Inns Joseph gs m 8 Buckingham
HO107/1724 F 164 P0046 Cow Fair
HO107/1724 F 170 P0116 North End
Standley Israel hd m 27 Buckingham bricklayer journeyman
Anstiss wi f 25 Buckingham lacemaker
Charles C so m 4 Camden Town
Sophia da f 2 Buckingham
Also a Sarah servant but born Stone ( nr Aylesbury) age 43.
Was the whole of Buckingham invovled with bricks cause your lot are ;D
Tazzie
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Thanks very much Taz - that is all very interesting - more pieces for the puzzle - and all from Buckingham rather than a small village.
I did have a look on freebmd for Standley's - just to get a general impression - most appear to have been around Warwickshire/Birmingham etc - I did notice a couple in Buckingham.
Yep, all brick people, they are, and a few labourers (no doubt in the brickyard). And my other branches too! Lots of good clay around Buckinghamshire you see.
Many, many thanks once again!!!
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Had a quick check for baptisms and there are just twoto William and Elizabeth and both down as Gunthrop.
James 01/07/1838
Joshua 21/03/1834
If you want any more look ups, just let me know.
Jo
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Hi Jo,
Thanks very much for those - that is MY James and his brother Joshua ... I have these two on the census. There are a few other kids as well. I did think William and Elizabeth may have had children before their eldest Elizabeth born 1832. Elizabeth (mum) was no spring chicken! Perhaps some babies died ...
Thanks for your kind offer of lookups ..... I don't suppose you can find William's birth by any chance, about 1809? Even more difficult now you've found yet another spelling of the surname (Gunthrop) to add to the list!
I would love to know who his parents are. (No doubt William will be a difficult one to find. Judging by this families past form, there will be many of them all born at similar times).
If you can find Elizabeth's too, that would be brilliant. She was born about 1806. She may be easier to locate as there probably aren't so many Standleys.
I have zero information about William, Elizabeth, their siblings and parents, so anything you may be able to uncover would be absolutely wonderful.
Very kind of you to help. Thanks so much.
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Me again
I had a quick look on the FHS computer and only came up with these but bear in mind Bucks is not all transcribed.
William Guntrip bap 1812 in Brill to Thomas and Mary
Elizabeth Stanley bap 25/03/1806 in Stone to William and Mary
Jo
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Thank you very much for those Jo. I had pencilled William in as being born in 1809 and Elizabeth born 1810, but these are just my calculations from the census. The baptisms you found could very well be mine. How exciting!
If Bucks is not fully transcribed, there could well be more. There will be a dozen Williams out there to confuse me - I just know it! Thanks for your time and trouble. Much appreciated.
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I thought you had said Elizabeth 1806 and William 1809. Also bear in mind that they could have baptised William late in life. But I did check from 1805 to 1820.
With so many villages around Buckingham, it could have been anywhere.
Brill is about 20 miles from Buckingham. As is Stone. If you get any links and want me to check, just let me know.
Jo
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Ooops, sorry Jo, my mistake - you are correct Elizabeth b1806 and William b 1809. (I was looking at some old notes). Good point about the baptism being some time after the birth too - I had overlooked that, and I know it happens frequently.
I also know some of my lot were around Brill. I'm going to forage through the census again to see if there are any other Williams born around the same time (and hoping there are none). As for Elizabeth, I don't think Standley is too common (is it?) so I'd put my money on the one you found being mine.
You have been a great help. I will let you know if there are any developments with this family - thank you again.