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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (North Riding) => Topic started by: Roobarb on Thursday 09 November 06 18:03 GMT (UK)
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Again am hoping the locals can help with this one. I am trying to find out exactly where 121 High Street Eston was in relation to what's there now. I have a copy of an old photo of some houses and shops which show Lodge Farm in the distance (see below) and I think it may be aroud the right area. I am assuming Lodge Farm was at the top of what is now Lodge Farm Road. In the 1901 census, 121 High Street is listed just before Prospect Terrace (California Road). Would Lodge Farm have been around where the petrol station is now? And would 121 therefore be where the shopping centre is? ???
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Hi,
The picture you have is of Eston Square looking towards what is now Hadrian House, the high street going to the left down the bank towards Normanby.
Lodge Farm was where the Lodge old folks home used to be. 121 is in the "Precinct" so isn't the original building or in the same place as the old 121. On your picture it will be to the right of the distant building. There are other views of Eston and will have a look if I can see it.
There weren't many buildings on that side of the road as there was a train halt and store yards up to and beyond the farm.
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Thanks Mike, I've had quite a few books out of the library to try and find it on old pictures and this one was about the closest. Would be grateful for any other pics. :)
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Hi
I appreciate that this post started quite a while ago but I have just come across it. You are asking about 121 High Street, Eston.
I too have an interest in the same address. My 1st cousin 3x removed, Mary Brentnall (nee Backhouse) lived there according to the 1891 and 1901 census.
In 1891 her husband was a Grocer & Ironmonger and in 1901 a registrar of Births, Marriages and deaths.
I would love to know if we have matches
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat :)
How amazing that you've replied over 4 years later - just shows the power of Rootschat!
Unfortunately your ancestors were not the same as mine, my family's name was Lickess. They lived there to my knowledge in 1923 and 1929, I don't know exactly when they first moved there but it was between 1920 and 1923. I checked the previous censuses to see if it was a family member who lived there and was interested to see that it was a Registrar of Births, Marriages and Deaths. Very apt in our search for ancestors! Sadly I don't think we have any connection.
Good luck with your research. :)
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The shops on the bottom left of the picture were, by the 1920's the Cooperative grocers and furniture store. Number 121 was most probably on the opposite side of the road just behind the young man on the right.
I am still looking for map or photo of Eston before 1900 to use in my degree project and would be grateful if you have anything relating to this era or know book/source where I can access.
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Hi
Have you tried the local paper Evening Gazette for photographs, also Francis Frith has some.
My mum has a large collection of books bought from the gazette office, I am sure they will be an Eston one amongst them. Unfortunately I am house bound at the moment and will be for another month or so, but will try and get a copy of the Eston one and have a look.
Jane
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Thanks for that info. Uni is next door to the Gazette office so I will call in and see what they have.
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Four years late :-X
But mainly for jeaner.. map (1950's)from when I was interested in Eston Station: -
So try "old maps" -- google for older maps.
Try also references to "Cleveland Railway" for photos of the station.
Also the DVD "A century of stone" Some of the old buildings had not altered much at the time the DVD was produced. The interchange yard was operated by Tarslag in the 60's I seem to remember. Old photos and memories of Eston from the folk who lived then.
I visited the blacksmith to purchase material back in the early 70's having a need for black bar. A very interesting place, locked in time. The old buildings sticking out into the main road. Long gone in the needs of progress.
I remember the "Trackless" in the square.. the trolley buses.
George
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Thanks George. I have tried google, old maps etc. but little discovered. Time I am interested in is really 1850 -70 and very little from that time. Have had Craig's film for some years but again not much footage of the old Eston - and not able to copy as it is his copyright.
I remember the blacksmith's as a working smithy when I was a child. From that you may have gathered that I am not your usual degree student - back at uni following retirement.
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Jeaner - the libraries usually have local history books which may give you what you want. The ones in Redcar and Marske have books which contain lots of historic photos of the area and some books of old postcard pictures. I would think that the libraries around the Eston area would have something similar for the surrounding area. There's a good library in Birchington Avenue, Grangetown:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0cjz/
If you give them a ring they will be able to tell you if they have any such books and if so what. :)
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There are a series of books such as "Middlesbrough in old Picture Postcards" there may be one for Eston? Try Guisborough Book Shop - they have/or had, an excellent range of books such as these.
I think their number is 01287 610179
Ceeoh
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Re 121 High Street Eston.
Bulmer's 1890 Directory for Eston has a list of Trades there, some with addresses.
Your photograph shows part of the High Street before the construction of The Square as an "island" for buses, toilets etc. You can see the wall behind the man on the right, which extended to the Institute and was without buildings.
On the extreme left was OSBORNE'S DARPER'S SHOP which was no 69 in 1890. Though the shopowners'names changed over the years, the trade carried out often did not. Being an Eston lad, born in the 1930s, I think that I can identify the following by continuing LEFT around the back of the photographer who took your shot - i.e. towards Gladstone, West , William Streets, past the hospital site to California WHERE PROSPECT TERRACE IS SITUATED:
(Bracketed names apply to the 1930s-1940s)
OSBORNE 69
BUTCHER 71(There is stilla butcher next door)
CONFECTIONER 75 (was Maggie Norman's)
STATIONER 93 (was Patterson's or Pengilly's)
POSTMASTER 105(COMPLETELY SURE OF THIS ONE) (was Stoddart's)
in other words we are heading for your no 121 probably between the hospital site and the bottom of California Bank and PROSPECT TERRACE
( Prospect Terrace contained the homes of the peers of Eston society!)
With a little more time I might be able to pinpoint no 121.
Best Wishes, Ron Kerrison.
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Hi Ron Kerrison
My mum knew your grandma (pretty sure you must be one of the old Eston Kerrisons). She was a Congregationalist and later a Methodist and lived in Eston until 1936ish but most Sundays we went back to church there. I think your grandad was a miner, both of mine were, one killed in 1901 and the other lived in California. Mum was originally a Wilkinson, Smith when she married.
Roots die hard.
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Hi again! If your mum was VERA WILKINSON, (and lived at number 121??), then there is no problem. She lived at the house on the California side of the hospital site - later it became a DIY-type shop.
If that is the case,I will have to somejhow get your emailaddress and tell you a few storiesBesrt Regards Ron Kerrison.
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Hi again! If your mum was VERA WILKINSON, (and lived at number 121??), then there is no problem. She lived at the house on the California side of the hospital site - later it became a DIY-type shop.
If that is the case,I will have to somehow get your emailaddress and tell you a few stories! Regards Ron Kerrison.
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No Ron. She was Emily Wilkinson, my dad was a miner and then a steelworker and they moved to Grangetown in the 1930's. My sister was Joyce Smith before she married and lived in Flatts Lane, Normanby for a lot of years in the late 50's, 60's & early 70's - she was then Joyce Jones. Often heard mum talk about the Kerrisons, think she saw members of the family when she went up to Eston - which was very frequently as we had family there and she went to church there. Were your family Salvation Army? Seems to ring a bell.
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Ron, thank you for your input re the location of number 121. :)
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An old but interesting thread.
I am looking for the location of the Royal Hotel in Eston High Street.
This was run by my Great Grandfather, Michael Standley - d1888. It was run by his wife Susannah Elizabeth Standley (re-married as Susannah Horn) until at least 1911.
Any information on location or sources of pictures would be greatly appreciated.
Peter
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Looking at the census and trade info it would appear that the Royal Hotel was at No. 1 North Street which would have been on the corner of North Street and the High Street. I think this was north of West Street (there are only 2 entries for North Street so this may possibly have been on the corner of the same block as the Police Station) but North Street doesn't appear on any of the maps I have. I will check if anyone I know has any more info.
More info now in my next post.
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Now know exactly where it was - coming from the direction of the hospital and immediately after the police station there was a turning, bit more of an alleyway than a street. This was North Street and the Royal was on that corner with the High Street, only one other building in North Street, a house next to the Royal and backing on to the grocer's shop in William Street. The regulars - and this included my grandfather - used the back entrance off North Street, others the entry off the High Street. My grandfather lived in West Street, California and this was the nearest drinking place, more of a public house than a hotel and is labelled PH on my map from the early 1900's. Grandad had his own seat which was known as John Thomas' seat and if he arrived to find someone sitting in it they were required to vacate it!!! My sister who is 88 remembers the Royal and my grandfather's daily and nightly trips there. The hotel which is labelled H on my map, opposite the Institute, was the Zetland Hotel.
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Thanks for your prompt replies. I would have been quicker to reply but my first posting failed! - my finger problem I think!
I have been able to look at the location you describe on Google maps, I am in Kent so it's not exactly local! Could you let me know where you obtained your 1900s map - I would like to purchase one. Thanks for you story about your Grandad - it brings it all alive!
My Grandfather Arnold Standley lived at the Royal Hotel with his mother and one of his brothers , Thomas, until circa 1913. Arnold married in 1913 and went to live in "Heather Lea" Jubilee Road.
Arnold was Assistant Master at Eston Council School 1904 - 1909 and Normanby Council School 1909 - 1923. See the www.http://normanbyhistorygroup.co.uk/ website for his photograph in the article "Class of 1914"
He was Headmaster of Kirkby Boys' School, Stokesely 1923 - 1926, Wilton Lazenby C.E School 1926 - 1929, South Eston Boys' School 1929 - ???? and retired as Headmaster of West Dyke Road School, Redcar in 1947.
Thomas was a Joiner and Undertaker and according to an advertisement in the Christ Church Monthly Magazine of March 1917 ran his business from "Heather Lea" and "Westwick" in Jubilee Road. Thomas was killed in WWI and is commemorated on the Eston war memorial.
I was interested in your postings regarding Grangetown. My late mother Doreen neé Boal b1914 lived at 48 Whitworth Street. Her mother ran a shop (I think they also owned the adjoining house as she often talked about an internal door). Her father, David, I believe worked for Bolckow, Vaughan & Co until their collapse in 1929.
My late father, Robert William Standley b1914 and my mother were married at Eston Parish Church on 28 October 1939.
Peter
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My parents were married at Christ Church Eston in the 1920's & my sister born & lived there until 11(how she knew about the Royal). I was born in Grangetown. So our family is well versed in the area, I still live Middlesbrough area.
I also did an Eston project for my 2nd year of BA (went back to uni on retiring) and my dissertation was on the development of Grangetown. Reason why I have maps & census info. The map of Eston is part of one held at Teesside Archives and I had the relevant part photocopied, have found it really difficult to get one of pre 1920's Eston. One of my father's sisters lived in Jubilee Road - still exists.
Whitworth Road was the where all the shops were when Grangetown was built. It is most likely that the door to the living quarters led to an upstairs flat as there were no houses at all on Whitworth Road, only shops & hotel. It is likely that No. 48 was on the block between Vaughan and Stapylton Streets as Whitworth Road was numbered from the Bolckow Road end. Bolckow and Vaughan sold out the steelworks as a going concern. I have attached a map of the original 8 streets to give you an idea of the area - by 1914 there had been further building behind Bolckow Road and the town continued to grow for many years. The houses on the map were knocked down in the 70's 80's. Let me know if there is any further info I can help with.
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Thanks for the information on your background and interests in Eston and Grangetown , together with the source of the Eston map.
Eston and Grangetown are two areas of interest to myself as my mother came from Grangetown and my Grandfather and Great Grandfather, and indeed my father all lived part of their lives in Eston. Standley is a Norfolk name with many originating from Wymondham south of Norwich, as did my Great Grandfather.
I was born and bred in Kent but have visited the Cleveland area on numerous occasions.
I am slowly going through old family photographs and documents, my mother died 2002 and my father 2010. I have some photographs from the 1920/30s I think taken in Grangetown at various locations, some are church groups. Unfortunately there is no identifying text but possibly you could assist with suggesting possible locations? This at the moment is work in progress - so in the fullness of time!
Going back to our previous correspondence I have done some further investigations into my Great Grandfather’s family in Eston and have been able to locate them in the 1881 census. I thought they were not included but eventually found they were included with the surname misspelt – the ‘d’ had been omitted and instead of Standley they were under Stanley – this happens to me regularly!
They were listed as living in Bank Lane at the “Cleveland Bay”. A bit of Googling gave me a modern picture of the public house at the junction of Bolckow and Jubilee Road. I assume
Bank Lane became Jubilee Road in 1887 or 1897 – do you have any information on this?
Michael and Susannah Stan(d)ley were living there with their four sons Robert, William, Ellis and Benjamin. In respect to Benjamin I have found an article in the “North Eastern
Daily Gazette” of Wednesday 1 August 1900 (see attached). At this time he was aged 22, married, and living in South Bank. He appears to have been killed whilst fire fighting but I have not been able to locate any further information – I wonder whether there are any local archives you know for the local Fire Brigades? Note: Mrs Horn referred to in the newspaper article is Susannah Standley who remarried after the death of Michael Standley in 1888.
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Found some more information re Benjamin Standley. Buried St Helen’s Church Cemetery , Eston 1900. See picture of memorial and details of inscription attached. Obtained from:
http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/cemetery.php?cemetery=1842&scrwidth=1280
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The churches in Grangetown were St. Matthews - Anglican, St. Mary's - R.C. and the Methodist. All located on Bolckow Road. Probably by the 1930's there was a non-conformist/Baptist chapel - I think this was on Pochin Road.
I don't know of a specific Fire Brigade archive though it is possible that there are records held at either Teesside Archives or at Central Library - the main source of all local material.
Jubilee Road was named when houses were built there and, going by the name, this must have been around the time of one of Victoria's most probably 1887 as the street housing would be completed by then. I do have the census material for that time somewhere - will get back to you if I find anything relevant.
My maternal grandmother's family moved to this area from Norfolk but this was not an unusual move as the agricultural work in Norfolk/Lincolnshire was in decline in mid 19th century and the wages in the ironstone mines and steelworks were much higher.
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An old thread but hoping for a reply. I have noticed that Jubilee Road and Heather Lea have been mentioned here, which is interesting to me as I live in this specific house now and have since 2000. I was wondering if anyone had any further information on the house. I know by looking at the deeds that the house was built in 1908. I would love to know anything else. Thank you. - Linda
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Hi Linda
The only thing I can add is that Mrs Standley who lived at Heather Lea remarried after her husband Michael died and became Mrs. Horn and in 1917 is still living there and appears to be still trading as an undertaker. Not sure how you would get any further info about the house.
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Linda, if you go into one of the local libraries you'll find books in the non fiction section about the area, many of them have lots of photos so you may be lucky and find something on where you live. You could also try visiting the Teesside Archives in Middlesbrough to see if they have anything, the staff there are really helpful so perhaps if you give them a ring beforehand they might be able to give you some pointers. (Ring 01642 248321)
http://teessidearchives.middlesbrough.gov.uk/CalmView/default.aspx
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat :)
How amazing that you've replied over 4 years later - just shows the power of Rootschat!
Unfortunately your ancestors were not the same as mine, my family's name was Lickess. They lived there to my knowledge in 1923 and 1929, I don't know exactly when they first moved there but it was between 1920 and 1923. I checked the previous censuses to see if it was a family member who lived there and was interested to see that it was a Registrar of Births, Marriages and Deaths. Very apt in our search for ancestors! Sadly I don't think we have any connection.
Good luck with your research. :)
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I'm hoping this thread isn't too old to continue posting on :)
I'm looking for a specific person in the Eston area: William Thomas (no middle name/initial ever found) b. ~1810 Wales, d. 1878 Eston. He was the blast furnace manager at the Cleveland Ironworks, and was promoted in 1873 to the manager of all the blast furnaces belonging to Bolckow, Vaughan, and Company, Limited.
I can't seem to locate any documents about him (other than a newspaper article about an alleged murder attempt, and the following letter to the editor on how that never actually happened - March 1873.) He suffered a stroke (apoplexy) at or near the train station in Eston, and then died about two weeks later at his home.
What I'm really after is anything about him as a manager at the ironworks. If he was such an important person, why can't we locate more? Maybe the information isn't digitized yet?
Can anyone help? I've searched about Bolckow, Vaughan & Company, the Eston area mines, the local newspapers, etc.
Thank you so much!!
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Hi all sorry for butting in but there's a family in grangetown down the road from eston according to the lady who runs a group called frog in Grangetown the grandson as loads of ledgers full of photos of the town and Eston southbank Middleborough one of the family for many years took photos from all over the lady in frog was hoping that one day someone would make a book from all the pictures and have it published for one like your self's to checkup history the postcode is ts67sq you may want to call and ask about the ledgers hope this helps good look