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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: Jamjar on Sunday 12 November 06 08:56 GMT (UK)
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Looking for information on Margaret.
She was married to Finlay Cameron and lived in Killearnan Parish at Drynie Park
She was born abt. 1778, at Contin.
I have her on the '51 census, but she is deceased by '61.
I couldn't find record of this on ScotsPeople, so she must have died pre '55
As her eldest daughter was Ann, I suspect it may be the name of Margaret's mother.
Regards,
Jamjar
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Hi Jamjar
unless there are two couples with the same names/area, you may have Margaret birth year down wrong. A Margaret Grant and Finlay Cameron were having children in Contin around 1812-19:
1. MARY CAMERON Birth: 27 MAY 1819 Contin, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
2. JEAN CAMERON Birth: 03 DEC 1821 Contin, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
3. JOHN CAMERON Christening: 06 OCT 1814 Contin, Ross And Cromarty, Scotland
Regards.
Monica
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Hi Jamjar
I agree with Monica. I checked Kilearnan and the only Ann I could find was bpt. 3 May 1841, parents: Kenneth Cameron and Ann Mackenzie. There are no Cameron bpts in Kilearnan to Margaret Grant and Finlay Cameron.
Gadget
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Morning Gadget!
Given the names, there could be a number of couples with the same names. I can see one family in Contin in the 1841 Census, and then another in Killearnan, living at Park Of Drynie, all showing as born in R & C:
Finlay CAMERON, 65, Agri. Lab
Margaret, 60
Margaret, 20
Mary, 13
Then again, there is an unmarried 20 year old Finlay in Contin living with his family (mother Anne) which would fit better with a birth year of c. 1814 for your Margaret, if they married after 1841.
Monica
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Morning Monica :)
I still don't see any bpts for this pair - except the ones that you mentioned. It might well be RC or missing records ???
Gadget
PS The one you show - is it 13 or a badly written 15 for Mary?
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Mary in Killearn is showing a birth year of 1828 on the index, the original might show different.
Monica
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Is it Kilearnan or Kilearn, Monica?
I'm getting confused - jamjar says Kilearnan ???
Gadget
PS Nothing on a Mary Cameron in either Kilearn or Kilearnan before 1834 on my index ???
It must be either Kilearnan or Kiltearn if it's R & C
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Sorry, fingers getting carried away, the Finlay and Margaret family in 1841 with Margaret and Mary are in Killearnan.
Monica ::)
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Howdy do,
My, you are all very busy.
Just did the maths and it put Margaret at birth abt. 1778!
Ooops, it was their daughter Margaret, born in 1814. Sorry. :o
On the 1851census Finlay is 80 and Margaret is 73 and still at Drynie Park
Daughter Ann is there with my illegit rellie, her son John Morrison
On the 1861 census Finlay is 89.
All the children were born in Contin. Ann was born in 1811
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Hi Jamjar
So, the 1841 family in Killearnan is yours! The births in Contin 1812-19 look also to be to this couple (they are the only ones showing in R & C). Of the 3 I posted, only Jean's in 1821 is an actual extract, the others are submitted entries.
Have you got details of (all) their children?
Monica
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Jamjar
The submitted birth entries on IGI for Mr & Mrs in Contin are no use at all are they! You also have an estimated marriage year of 1809, if correct, there may have been an earlier child before Ann in 1811.
Have you viewed Finlay's death cert post 1861 and if so, what are the names of his parents?
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Greetings,
I only have all those we have mentioned between us.
There was also an illigit son, Hector Kemp, born to daughter Margaret. One would have thought she would have learned from older sister Ann.
I have Finlay's death information and that is how I got his parent's names.
I have nothing on Margaret Grant
I think it odd that they don't have children Kenneth, Finlay and Christy.
Kenneth and Christy - nee Cameron - are Finlay's folk.
Night from Australia.
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Living at Balblair, Contin, a possibility for Finlay's father and siblings(?). All showing as born in R & C:
Kenneth, 80
Christian, 50, Agr. Lab
Mary, 45, Agr. Lab
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Hi there,
What year was that from?
It would explain the daughter Mary.
Is there any way of knowing if it is really his parents?
Where does one find death information for years 1851-55?
Night again. Really going this time.
Many thanks for your help.
Jamjar
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Sorry forgot to add, Kenneth and family in 1841.
Monica
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Found Roots Chat by accident today. Was doing work on Mgt Grant yesterday. She is my 3x gt grandmother.
At the moment I have 6 chn for her - Duncan abt 1809 by death age, Mgt, Ann and Mary, Jean and John from the correspondence on this site. If Mary and Jean are hers, there should be a couple of others between them and John.
I haven't done a lot of research, but in relation to this family I have seen Free Church mentioned, so was wondering if those records are somewhere different.
John Morrison is believed to have gone to Australia.
I also think it odd there is no Kenneth in Findlay's chn, but then there is the gap in years from 1814-1819.
Anyone caring to contact me or write to this chat re the family I would be interested to hear from you.
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Well hello Cuddlepot,
John Morrison sure did come to Oz. I am here. Here is how I fit into the family
Johannah Pratt - Paternal Grandmother
Thomas Atkinson and Margaret Morrison
John Morrison and Grace Jardine
Ann Cameron (illegitimate John) father William Morrison
Finlay Cameron and Margaret Grant
Kenneth Cameron and Christy -nee Cameron
Are you in Australia. If not, how did you know John came to Australia?
Regards,
Jamjar
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Hello, I live on the Tropic in sunny Qld. A descendant of Mgt Cameron who lives in NZ told me about John.
We are both trying to put all the Cameron stuff together along with a descendant of Flora Crow who was my gt grandmother's sister.
If you want to chat ie email off line. we will have to work out something.
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Hi Monica,
I am going to see if I can find death details for Kenneth, between '41 and '51. I can't get on to Scotspeep at the moment. The site was working earlier.
Wonder when Christy, Finlays mother died.
Thanks for the information.
Janice
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Well, no luck there.
There is a Kenneth 100, but no way of knowing if it is my Kenneth. One has to order the information.
I couldn't view the '51, '61 census. All have to be ordered.
Does anyone have the census to check if Christian and Mary are still there. Also had a thought, could this Christian on the '41 census be a male?
Jamjar
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Hi Jamjar!
I realise this is a very old thread but I notice you are still active on the forums so hopefully you will see this reply.
Going to throw a bit of a spanner in the works here.
Finlay Cameron and Margaret Grant are my 4x great-grandparents.
They had another son. Duncan Cameron born abt. 1807 in Ross and Cromarty. I have Duncan's death certificate. He died 1882 in St Vigeans, Angus, Scotland. Parents named as Finlay Cameron a Pendicler in Inverness and Margaret Grant.
Duncan married a Flora Stewart, 7th Feb 1834 in Killearnan, Ross and Cromarty. Duncan and Flora had a number of children; Finlay, Flora, Margaret, John, Jane and Catherine. Duncan and Flora moved around scotland A LOT! They have been noted as living at Dingwall, Burntisland Fife, Arbroath Angus and Banffshire. I have a feeling they were displaced due to the clearances. Perhaps this also happened to Finlay and Margaret?
I think there a number of Finlay and Margaret's children missing from parish records as Duncan's isn't anywhere to be found. The family is probably much larger than we think.
Quite frustrating, I guess the records are missing or they didn't register the births.
Thanks!
Jill.
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Greetings from Australia, Jill.
I don't have my research to hand, but I do recall a reference to Duncan and Flora. I will add their children to my tree.
Do you have any information on the parents of Finlay and Margaret Grant.
Jamjar
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Greetings from Australia, Jill.
I don't have my research to hand, but I do recall a reference to Duncan and Flora. I will add their children to my tree.
Do you have any information on the parents of Finlay and Margaret Grant.
Jamjar
Hi Jamjar
I don't presently have anything more on Finlay and Margaret. Duncan was a new discovery for me as I'd only recently begun searching that side of the family, the only thing I have about Finlay and Margaret are their names on Duncan's death certificate, and Finlay's profession there also.
Here is the info I have on Duncan and Flora's children presently -
Finlay born 1834 Killearnan
Flora born 13th Jan 1837 Inverness-shire (my direct ancestor)
Elizabeth born 1845 Burntisland, Fife
Margaret born 1846 Burntisland, Fife
Mary born 1848 Burntisland, Fife
John born 1851 Burntisland, Fife
Jane born 1854 Aberdeen
Catherine born 27 Sept 1856 Keith, Banffshire
They did move around quite a lot. Note that most of the birth dates are approximate as they were taken from various census.
This list of children may not be complete yet as most of these I have found yesterday and today.
Jill
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Thank you for the information, Jill.
I can send you what I have on Finlay and Margaret if you would like to PM me an email address.
Jamjar
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Thank you Jamjar. I will PM you this info.
Really appreciate this. :)
Jill
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Does anyone have the census to check if Christian and Mary are still there. Also had a thought, could this Christian on the '41 census be a male?
Jamjar
I realise you asked this over a decade ago but thought I'd include the info in this thread anyway in case anyone else is looking for info on this family.
Did you ever find out if they are connected to Finlay by any chance?
I've found Christian and Mary at the same address in 1851. Available from FreeCen.
Address: Balblair
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
CAMERON Christian Head U F 50 Once A General Servant Ross and Cromarty - Contin
CAMERON Mary Sister U F 47 Pauper Formerly A Servant Ross and Cromarty - Contin
The name 'Christian' is mostly female in those days. Another form of Christine/Christina et al.
Jill.
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Information sent to you, Jill.
No, I've not made a connection to anyone likely to be Finlay's folks.
Jamjar
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Information sent to you, Jill.
No, I've not made a connection to anyone likely to be Finlay's folks.
Jamjar
Received the info. Many thanks, have much to peruse here. Cannot thank you enough.
Jill.