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Research in Other Countries => Other Countries => Topic started by: Inchworm on Sunday 12 November 06 16:34 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I am stuck as where to look for this family. Please can anyone help?
John Dickie b. 1859 Cumbrae, Buteshire, Scotland.
Emilia (Emily) b. c1869 China - his wife.
Frederick J. Dickie b. c1887 Hong Kong - son
James D. Dickie b. c1890 Hong Kong - son
They are on the 1891 Census in Greenock, Scotland, but John isn't there. Emilia (Emily) is classed as married.
I don't know where he was or where the family went to after that.
How can I find if they went back to Hong Kong and can I find the births of the children?
Any help appreciated.
Regards,
Inchworm
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Births of the children would be in the overseas birth indexes, I should think (these are online at www.1837online.com). Possibly also the marriage of Dugald and Emilia.
Do you know Dugald's occupation?
There's a James Dugald Dickie on documentsonline, WWI medal roll. 'Royal Engineers Inland Water Transport', a Lieutenant. Could this be James D?
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Thank you for your help. I will try the overseas births at 1837.com
Yes, the James Dugald Dickie looks promising. I will check him out. All I had to go on was the 1891 Census in Scotland.
Thanks,
Inchworm
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Have now found them on the 1901 Census in Scotland.
I have looked on the overseas Birth and Marriage Registers, but none of them are there. :(
Does anyone know where I can go from here to find the Births in Hong Kong or the marriage.
Regards,
Inchworm
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Hmm... if they weren't registered with the UK authorities you'd have to attempt to find local records, maybe try contacting here?
http://www.immd.gov.hk/ehtml/address_5_1.htm
From the 1901 census, is the occupation given of the father? Some occupations can lead you to other records - particularly if he was military or merchant seaman.
Did they have any more children in Scotland? That at least could help you find Emilia's maiden name.
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His occupation was given as "Sugar Boiler" on his death in 1901 in Greenock, Scotland. I guess he worked in the local factory. His wife Emily or Emilia was b. c1869 in China and she died 1896 Greenock, Scotland. Her parents both had German sounding surnames. i.e Focken and Beisgel.
The 3 children are on the 1901 census in Greenock with Grandmother and without their father. They were b. roughly between 1887-94.
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Hi,
I have been starting to look up some of my family history and found this post for the Dickie Family in Hong Kong. My father Ronald John Dickie was born in Hong Kong 1922 I think. His Parents Frederick John Dickie who married Laura Ada Cowell - my grandparents. The name Fokken is also mentioned Emily Fokken was German and I think was the next generation back. I would be interested to know more and what you have found out and furthermore are you a relation?
many thanks
Jon Dickie
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Yes, Emily Focken was born in China c1869 of German parents. She died in Greenock, Scotland. Her husband was John Dickie. They had Frederick John, James Dugald and John D. They may have been others, but that's all that I've found. These three children were all born In Hong Kong.
My Grt. Grandmother was Jane, the sister of John, who married Emily. Do you know what happened to James or John D.? :)
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https://mmis.hkpl.gov.hk/old-hk-collection
A search here for "Dickie" shows the obituary of John Dickie on the front page(!) of the Hong Kong Telegraph in 1920 (he died in Scotland). He had been in charge of the "Bowrington Refinery". It says "Mrs Dickie" predeceased him in 1897, and that he had three sons - one being Mr F.J. Dickie of Dodwell and Co, the others Mr J D Dickie (on his way to the colony) and Mr John Dickie (on his way to East Africa). All the sons served in WWI.
Could this be John's death in Canada?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLB5-4Q9
- middle name "Bowrington" matches up with where his father worked.
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Hi
Thats fascinating reading. There was always a rumour that one of the brothers went to Canada so I think you are right here. i am just starting to research so don't really have much to go on. James Dugard Dickie married my great Aunt Bessie who died in Bearsden Glasgow in the 1970's having no children I believe. I never met Jim.
Wheres the best place to start with filling in the gaps? Births marriages and deaths I presume? Is this resource on line?
Are you in Scotland by the way and whats your name?
Jon
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Thank you Jorose. That is really interesting!
Now I can see if I can find out more about John Bowrington Dickie. :)
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Is this John Bowrington Dickie.
Shipping records FindMyPast
Mr J B Dickie, born circa 1896,clerk age 24,sailed on the Edinburgh Castle,from Southampton 9th July 1920
to the Cape.
James D Dickie,born circa 1889,engineer,age 31,sailed on the Glenavy from London to Shanghai 13 July 1920.
permanent residence Scotland,only eleven passengers on board.
Brionne
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Hello brionne .
Yes, I looked at the top one for J B Dickie and wondered if it was him. Looks like it could be, but I will check further. I still can't find a birth or marriage for him though. :-\
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I have a few distant Scottish ancestors, but that's about all. Just like to help out. :)
For the births in Hong Kong you could try the "Minor Records" at ScotlandsPeople:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?402
However it's also possible they didn't end up formally registering them and perhaps just had the boys baptised (either in Hong Kong or on the family's return to Scotland).
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLB5-4Q9
- informant at John Bowrington Dickie's death was a niece surnamed Stanley of Saskatoon (Saskatchewan).
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FLBJ-ZQK
- his wife's death shows she was much younger, born in Punnichy, Saskatchewan in 1915.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/019fy/
- this is a local history book for her family (although has her as Agnes Hazel not Edna Hazel?), shows one of her sisters married a Stanley. It does not appear that she had children according to this (also suggested by the fact that a niece came over from Sask. to sort out John's death certificate).
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KMPF-DPM
- her family in 1916.
It seems likely they either married in Saskatchewan or BC, but given his wife's year of birth the marriage must have been much later - outside what is publicly available in either province (and Saskatchewan is not great for online bmds anyway).
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Many thanks for all of the links. I am now busy looking at them all.
Interesting that there was quite an age gap between them, yet they died within two years of each other.
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Hello,
The John (Jack) Bowrington Dickie you are referring to was married to my Great Aunt Edna Hazel (Agnes) Anderson. Uncle Jack and Aunt Agnes lived in Vancouver, BC. since 1943. I knew he was born while his parents lived in Hong Kong but knew very little of his history as he passed when I was 13 years old.
I understand he was considered a Remittance Man, (one of many ending up in Canada) emigrating here in the late 1910s or 1920s. Uncle Jack and Aunt Agnes never had any children and considered Maude Stanley, (a niece of Aunt Agnes, cousin to my father) the closest thing to a daughter. Unfortunately, Maude has now passed so I can't go to her for help.
I would like very much to learn about Uncle Jacks family history from Hong Kong and Scotland! Please find attached, a picture of Aunt Agnes and Uncle Jack, both of whom I remember very fondly.
Rob Anderson
Vancouver, BC