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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: paddy_k1w1 on Tuesday 14 November 06 00:40 GMT (UK)
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Any help with finding ancestors of the following, would be very much appreciated. I've come up against a brick wall.
FIRSTLY, THE PATRICK FAMILY
1. William PATRICK
Birth Date: 1790
Spouse: Elizabeth PATRICK (? formerly PATRICK)
Children: William
1.1. William PATRICK
Birth Date: 1815
Birth Place: Beith, Ayrshire, SCOTLAND
Death Date: 3 Jun 1897
Death Place: Geraldine, NEW ZEALAND
Spouse: Elizabeth HARVIE
Birth Date: 6 Jul 1815
Birth Place: Glasgow, Larnarkshire, SCOTLAND
Death Date: 5 Jul 1895
Death Place: Geraldine, NEW ZEALAND
Spouse Father: William HARVIE (1783-)
Spouse Mother: Elizabeth Cross DAWSON (1787-)
Marriage Date: 24 Jan 1834
Marriage Place: Beith, Ayrshire, SCOTLAND
ALSO THE HARVIE (MAYBE HARVEY) FAMILY:
William HARVIE
Birth Date: About 1783
Birth Place: Glasgow, SCOTLAND
Spouse: Elizabeth Cross DAWSON
Birth Date: About 1787
Birth Place: Glasgow, SCOTLAND
Marriage Date: 16 Jan 1815
Marriage Place: Glasgow, SCOTLAND
Children:
1.1.Elizabeth HARVIE
Birth Date: 6 Jul 1815
Birth Place: Glasgow, Larnarkshire, SCOTLAND
1.2.Alexander Maxtone HARVIE
Birth Date: 3 Mar 1817
Birth Place: Fowlis Wester, Perth, SCOTLAND
1.3.Helen HARVIE
Birth Date: 30 Nov 1818
Birth Place: Fowlis Wester, Perth, SCOTLAND
1.4.John Dawson HARVIE
Birth Date: 25 Dec 1820
Birth Place: Fowlis Wester, Perth, SCOTLAND
1.5.Margaret Drew HARVIE
Birth Date: 20 Feb 1831
Birth Place: Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton, SCOTLAND
AND LASTLY THE MILLAR FAMILY:
William MILLAR
Birth Date: About 1803
Birth Place: Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, SCOTLAND
Death Date: About 1861
Spouse: Margaret GIBSON
Birth Date: 19 Jan 1807
Birth Place: Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, SCOTLAND
Death Date: 3 May 1892
Death Place: Geraldine, NZ
Spouse Father: William GIBSON (1777-)
Spouse Mother: Janet FIN[D]LAY (1784-)
Marriage Date: 25 Sep 1829
Marriage Place: Kilmarnock, SCOTLAND
Children:
Janet MILLAR
Birth Date: 7 Mar 1830
Birth Place: Kilmarnock, Scotland
Spouse: Henry HABISON
Marriage Date: 1 Aug 1856
Mary MILLAR
Birth Date: 22 Mar 1842
Birth Place: Kilmarnock, SCOTLAND
Death Date: 10 Jul 1920
Death Place: Geraldine, NZ
Spouse: William PATRICK
Birth Date: 26 Jun 1835
Birth Place: Beith, SCOTLAND
Death Date: 31 Dec 1914
Death Place: Winchester, NEW ZEALAND
Spouse Father: William PATRICK (1815-1897)
Spouse Mother: Elizabeth HARVIE (1815-1895)
Look forward to hearing from anyone who may beable to help.
kind regards
Paddy
(New Zealand)
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bit of a tall order there paddy, maybe break it down a little and repost your requests, just to start you off
1841 census: 60 new street, beith
william...age 25...cotton hand loom weaver
elizabeth...age 25
william...age 5
hugh...age 4
all born beith
1851 census; head street beith
william...head...age 37...hand loom weaver
elizabeth...wife...age 35...born glasgow
william...son...age 15...coal miner
hugh...son...age 14...coal miner
john...son...age 9
elizabeth...dau...age 5
all born beith unless stated otherwise
1861 census: 78/80 robertson place, kilmarnock
william...head...age 47...inn keeper...born beith
elizabeth...wife...age 45...born glasgow
john...son...age 19...coal miner...born beith
elizabeth...dau...age 15...domestic servant...born beith
alexander...son...age 7...born kilmarnock
margaret...dau...age 4...born dreghorn
jessie...dau...age 2...born riccarton
mary miller...dau...age 18 months...born kilmarnock
1861 census: 70 robertson place, kilmarnock
hugh...head...age 24...coal miner...born beith
mary...wife...age 27...born kilmarnock
elizabeth...dau...age 5 months...born kilmarnock
happy hunting
Joe
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Hi there Joe,
This is great stuff you've managed to dig up!
Yes, i was a bit cheeky, expecting info on all my family branches wasn't I? But thank you for giving it a go for me!
There has been mystery around Elizabeth & William Patrick's son Hugh, who until very recently, was unknown to me..... now you've been able to give me details that suggests he married prior to my gt. gt. grandfather emigrating to NZ and this may have been the reason he stayed behind in Scotland, instead of joining the rest of his family, parents & siblings (who also emigrated to NZ).
I'm so grateful to you for searching this info out for me. thank you very much.
:)
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you are more than welcome paddy, now get posting on your other requests!!
Joe
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I am a descendant of Hugh Patrick.
Hugh Patrick married Mary Richmond on 27 July 1860 in Kilmarnock.
Mary was born in 1840, and her parents were David Wilson Richmond and Grace Baird.
Hugh and Mary's first child was Elizabeth Patrick who was born in Kilmarnock.
Three more daughters were born, Grace Baird Patrick, Mary Patrick (1) and Agnes Gower Patrick before the first son William James Patrick was born in Lambton, Australia on 10 March 1870.
The following children were David Richmond Patrick (1873), Mary Patrick(2)(1875), Hubert Patrick (1877), Arthur Maxton Patrick (1881), Jessie Patrick and May Patrick (1883).
Hugh died 22 November 1918 and Mary 15 July 1916. They lived for many years in Elder Street, Lambton.
Lambton was a major coal mining area of Newcastle in Australia.
I have no record of when they arrived in Australia.
Oura
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OH MY GOODNESS!! I have so much to share with you! I haven't time to talk just now, but i promise i'll be back in touch within the week.
thank you so so much for contacting me.
kindest regards,
Paddy
(New Zealand)
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a very very warm welcome to rootschat oura, i hope this has opened a whole new world for you.
if you need any help please ask. i will have a wee look at the cenus details for your family in a wee while.
so glad you made contact with paddy, wish you both well, looks like christmas has come early for you both.
Joe
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hope this is of some help oura
1841 census: morton place, kilmarnock
the richmond family
david...age 30...tailor
grace...age 30
robert...age 15
mason (female !)...age 12
william...age 10
margaret...age 8
charlotte...age 5
john...age 3
mary...age 10 months
all born ayr
1861 census: 2 morton place, kilmarnock
david...head...age 55...tailor
grace...wife...age 54...born stirling
charlotte...dau...age 25...cotton weaver
john...son...age 23...blacksmith
david...son...age 16
all born kilmarnock unless stated otherwise
happy hunting
Joe
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Thanks Joe, the Census information was much appreciated.
Young Mason (female?) was young Marion, named after her grandmother Marion McGregor of Old Cumnock, said by some to be the daughter of Donald McGregor and Sarah Cameron, and great granddaughter of Rob Roy McGregor.
Oura
(Australia)
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Hello Oura,
I'm so excited to have found a missing link to our family.
I have been researching the family of William & Elizabeth Patrick's descendants for 15 years.
I will carry on our conversation via the Personal Message system
talk to you again soon
Paddy
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1841 census: dean lane, kilmarnock
william millar...age 35...carpet weaver
margaret...age 30
janet...age 7
william...age 4
alexander...age 2
william gibson...age 50...carpet hand loom weaver
1851 census; boyd street, kilmarnock
william...head...age 48...carpet weaver...born kilmarnock
margaret...wife...age 42...sewer...born kilmarnock
janet...dau...age 17...bonnet maker...born kilmarnock
mary...dau...age 9...scholar...born kilmarnock
john...son...age 6
1861 census: 16 boyd street, kilmarnock
william...head...age 60...carpet weaver
margaret...wife...age 54
happy hunting
Joe
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hi paddy, please do not be put of by the ages of your relatives in the censuses as a lot of rounding off was done!!
some roootschatters with more experience say that you can add 5 or take 5 away, to be nearly exact for the date of birth.
wish you well my friend
Joe
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I am a descendant of Hugh Patrick.
Hugh Patrick married Mary Richmond on 27 July 1860 in Kilmarnock.
Mary was born in 1840, and her parents were David Wilson Richmond and Grace Baird.
Hugh and Mary's first child was Elizabeth Patrick who was born in Kilmarnock.
Three more daughters were born, Grace Baird Patrick, Mary Patrick (1) and Agnes Gower Patrick before the first son William James Patrick was born in Lambton, Australia on 10 March 1870.
The following children were David Richmond Patrick (1873), Mary Patrick(2)(1875), Hubert Patrick (1877), Arthur Maxton Patrick (1881), Jessie Patrick and May Patrick (1883).
Hugh died 22 November 1918 and Mary 15 July 1916. They lived for many years in Elder Street, Lambton.
Lambton was a major coal mining area of Newcastle in Australia.
I have no record of when they arrived in Australia.
Oura
hi there this is craig patrick im a desent of the same family my pop only sold the house at new lambton a few years ago i sent you a message with info and my email address we have a lot of family over here in australia if you want more info let me no
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Hello Craig! :O)
So thrilled you have contacted me. Would like to find out what extra info you can give me re: the Patrick side of your family. YOu said you'd sent me more info, but I'm not sure how to find it?
Send me a note using personal message option and we can swop emails.
cheers
Paddy Patrick
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Ok am going to take a stab in the dark here and wondering if we have a similar ancestor... I can go far back as Arthur Maxton Patrick and that they lived in New Lambton, Newcastle. NSW Australia... that name is the same as my Great Grandfather and even though I can't find anything... his son Horace was my Grandfather... would love to hear from you... take care..
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Ok am going to take a stab in the dark here and wondering if we have a similar ancestor... I can go far back as Arthur Maxton Patrick and that they lived in New Lambton, Newcastle. NSW Australia... that name is the same as my Great Grandfather and even though I can't find anything... his son Horace was my Grandfather... would love to hear from you... take care..
Hi Fliss ☺
You have indeed, stumbled on to the correct family. Your ancestor Hugh Patrick was my great great grandfather's brother.
I will have a lot of info to share with you if you'd like to private message me, I can give you my email address.
I've not used this forum for a couple of years so am a bit rusty on the rules around sharing your email addresses on here.
Paddy
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paddy_k1w1 would love to get some info my email address is (and will put spaces in and take those
I don't know what the rules are either but hey, I don't know any other way to personally reply...
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Hi Aussiefliss,
To use the Personal Message (PM) system, you need to have made 3 posts, so reply to this message, and you will be able to use it.
Look at the link I post below,
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=144390 click on the "letter" icon next to paddy_k1w1, next to small pawn-like icon. This will bring up another page, post your message, unfortunately not allowed to send images, but you can safely change email addresses.
Tom
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Hi Aussiefliss,
Arthur Maxton Patrick married Florence (Florrie) Horner in 1902 and lived in Dixon Street, Lambton. I descend from his brother, William Patrick, who lived in New Lambton. They were sons of Hugh Patrick and Mary Richmond who lived for a long time in Elder Street, Lambton. They were also nephews of another Arthur Maxton Patrick (Hugh's brother).
There is information about the New Lambton Patricks in the local papers. For example, the following was written about Arthur's father Hugh: "Mr Hugh Patrick died at his residence, Elder-street, Lambton, yesterday, the cause of death being heart failure. The deceased, who was in his 83rd year, was born in Glasgow. He landed in New Zealand in the year 1866, and subsequently came to Lambton, where he lived for the past 50 years. He was employed as a miner, and worked in Lambton colliery for 33 years. For the last 17 years he carried on a dairy and milk vendor's business. He was for a number of years identified with the Methodist Church. He afterwards became associated with the Salvation Army, and was an earnest worker In the Lambton corps. His wife predeceased him some two and a half years. He leaves three sons and four daughters."
Oura