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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: Ninatoo on Wednesday 15 November 06 08:28 GMT (UK)
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I am searching for information about Agostino Granelli who lived at 18 Catherine Street, Macclesfield certainly in the year 1918, and probably before and after that as well. Agostino had a daughter Millieta. I know this because I have a copy of a postcard sent to them from his brother, my great grandfather Camillo Granelli, during World War 1. Agostino was likely born about 1880 in Santa Maria del Taro in Italy and his parents are Francisco Granelli and Maria de Lucchi. There may be a connection to the Granelli family who made ice cream. This is all I know. Can anyone please help me find out more?
Nina
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Hello Nina
I dont know if you have heard of the The historical directories.Which are on line,Unfortunatly Cheshire itself is very sparse.I did look in the couple available no Granelli surnames at all in the 1914 directory.That is not to say there wasnt any,if they were boarding with someone,family,friends.They wont be on the Surename index,i looked under occupations and other things,but nothing.However the Directory for 1902 gives
Granelli.Angelo. Confectioner 33 Church Street Macclesfield
The only one in the whole book so might be yours.Our library has the directories for Cheshire not the full set unfortunatly,but if you would like me to see if i can find any Grannelli's let me know.
Celia
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Hi Nina
Although I don't know the family personally, I do know of them as do most folk who originate from Macclesfield, the family are indeed famous for their Ice Cream.
If you see the 1901 census for Macclesfield at http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=7814&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0
It is free to search at the moment, just type in the surname Granelli and Macclesfield in the correct boxes, all the results belong to the same family.
Also if you go to http://www.b4usearch.com/index.cfm and search the name Peter Granelli it will bring up his address. Also do the same for a Peter Devoti another family member who now runs the Granelli ice cream business in Macclesfield. Peter is quite used to people asking about the Granelli's as he also looks after a small museum they have in Macclesfield, mostly ice cream making machines and old carts and vans.
I have recently seen a picture of Peter Granelli in his school days, he was in the same class as my sister-in-law.
If you need any more info please ask, but I am sure if contact one of the two Peters they will be able to sort you out.
Please let us know how you get on
good luck
peterbennett
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Hello Nina
You beat me to it Peter ;D I have been on Ancestry as well,There are 13 people in the household.A brother is down as Angela.He was born in Italy others were born In Maccklesfield.I also included in the search overseas? record which gave Passenger lists. They give a number of Granelli's,but they went to America from Italy but in later years.There are also some that lived in different counties in England.I will leave you to your searching,Good luck.
I thought i had heard the name Granelli before,nobody makes Ice cream like the Italians do they ;D
Celia
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Celia
I thought i had heard the name Granelli before,nobody makes Ice cream like the Italians do they
To true ! when comes to Ice Cream they can't be licked ::) ::) 8)
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To true ! when comes to Ice Cream they can't be licked
Oh Peter you smoothie :D I agree there is no ice cream to top it...I've just come back from Wilmslow and we take Mum to Redesmere where they always have a Granelli van, and it's 99's with cherry syrup all round.
Nina,
My niece's partner is Paul Granelli, if that is of any help.
Su
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Wow thanks for the replies everyone! I also have a request for inforamtion at ancestry.com, in case anyone was wondering...seems to me not a lot of people there visit these message boards.
My Agostino and my great grandfather Camillo Granelli seem to have come to the UK after 1901 as I have searched the censuses in England and Scotland to no avail. I am sure there will be a family connection to the ice cream Granelli family..it is finding the link that is elusive! Thanks also to celia for all that searching you did for me.
Peter, I would love to be able to have contact with a Macclesfield Granelli who might know of Agostino and his daughter Milietta, and perhaps my great grandfather Camillo too. I would appreciate anything you could do. I am also trying to contact some family members with the help of a researcher called Colin Bearsfield, who has been terrific.
Wow Su, another Granelli! I hope I get this sorted out...it would be wonderful to be able to say one way or another if there is a connection.
Nina
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Hi Nina
If you know for definate that your "Granelli's" were living in Catherine Street Macclesfield in 1918 then I have no doubt that they are related to the present day Granelli's in Macclesfield.
I will send you an address for them by P.Message, and would suggest you write to one or both I am quite sure they will have no objections to your asking of them.
Also found this interesting website page that mentions the Granelli's
http://www.italian-heritage-ancoats.org.uk/italart2.htm
peterbennett
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Wow thanks for the replies everyone! I also have a request for inforamtion at ancestry.com, in case anyone was wondering...seems to me not a lot of people there visit these message boards.
My Agostino and my great grandfather Camillo Granelli seem to have come to the UK after 1901 as I have searched the censuses in England and Scotland to no avail. I am sure there will be a family connection to the ice cream Granelli family..it is finding the link that is elusive! Thanks also to celia for all that searching you did for me.
Peter, I would love to be able to have contact with a Macclesfield Granelli who might know of Agostino and his daughter Milietta, and perhaps my great grandfather Camillo too. I would appreciate anything you could do. I am also trying to contact some family members with the help of a researcher called Colin Bearsfield, who has been terrific.
Wow Su, another Granelli! I hope I get this sorted out...it would be wonderful to be able to say one way or another if there is a connection.
Nina
nina
sometimes when we pass through Macclesfield we stop off for lunch at Arigi Bianchi store for lunch Lovely place!!! then on the way home we go to buy ice cream to take home from an Italian ice creamshop not sure of thename but I will certainly take more notice next time we pop in !!!!
Erin :o :o
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Hi Nina,
I wondered if the following video of Crossall Street, Macclesfield on Youtube was of any interest?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ6LmTqW8Us
regards
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Thanks momos!
I think that Granelli shop has been there from the start, from what I have read on the internet. The ancoats page is no mopre, so I don't know what happened to the information there....a pity.
The best news of the month is that I found my ancestor Agostino Granelli listed in Seed's Directory in 1910 in Catherine Street (number 18) and he is listed as an ice cream vendor! Just down the road is an Angelo Granelli listed as a confectioner (same address as mentioned in Celia's post above). So at least I can determine that Agostino made an appearance in Macclesfield between 1902 and 1910....which is a bit more information than I had, and he will probably be on the 1911 census, so it's all good! But since the living family have said that my ancestor was not related to theirs, I am not sure whether to keep up the search or not.
Thanks again all!
Nina
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Hello again Nina,
I have just found the following webpage:
http://goodfoodshops.blogspot.com/2008/01/macclesfield-granellis.html
and wondered if you already had this information?
regards
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Hi Momos,
Yes I did come across that site recently. Thanks for posting it here for me just in case. I have searched for Angelo Granelli in the 1891 census, but there seem to be no Granellis in Macclesfield at that time. (Not that there is yet a proven link between him and I anyway!)
He and his brother Fortunato and their families are in Church Street in 1901 making ice cream, as well as being bakers and confectioners......busy people!
Nina
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Just wanted to say that I know Santa Maria del Taro well. A couple of months ago in Bedonia we met a young Granelli woman whose family do still make ice cream in Yorkshire. Can't help you with your Macclesfield relations I'm afraid, but a lot of people from that area seem to have settled in Warrington.
Good luck with your search.
Julie
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Hi Julie,
Welcome to Rootschat! Thanks for your reply. I wish I could visit Santa Maria del Taro myself. The few photos available on the internet show that it is a beautiful place.
I am confident that I will be able to trace my Granellis more when the 1911 census appears. I can't wait!
I am editing to say that I never knew my grandfather Francisco Camillo Granelli due to my granny and him divorcing early in their marriage, and my Dad never got to know him well either, because he was not encouraged to. My grandfather passed away before I got to meet him. This is the reason I know so little about them, and it is only through my research in genealogy that I know as much as I do. It is so strange that I have Italian blood but have never been part of the Italian culture. And yet there has always been a connection to Italy for me.
So thank you all for your help!
Nina
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Hi Nina,
Yes, Santa Maria is lovely. A very sleepy little town with just a few shops and bars, but in a beautiful setting. Photos don't do it justice!
I think the Granellis might originally be from Setterone a couple of miles away. Setterone is pretty much an abandoned village because of emigration. Have you seen this website www.valtaro.it ?
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Dear Nina
I have not used this site before so bear with me! (i hope this message reaches you!) I have read your posts and might be able to help you a little. My family are the Granellis of Macclesfield who continue to run the ice cream business in Macclesfield that you mention. My Nanna was Madalena Granelli who married Guido Devoti, it is her son (my uncle) Peter Devoti that you have also mentioned in your emails.
My Grandfather is from Santa Maria Del Taro where some of my family still live. My uncle Peter knows a little about your grandfather Agostino and i understand even has a picture or two of him. My uncle tells me that Agostinos daughter Milietta went to school in Macclesfield with my nanna. Apparently Agostino moved back to Italy (Bedonia) and opened the first cinema over there. Agostinos youngest daughter Mary moved to America (Ohio) but did come back to Macclesfield many years ago as she came to visit my nanna.
If you are still looking drop me an email - I can always put you in touch with my uncle who can probably tell you a little more!
Kind regards
Julia
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Fistly, huge apologies for not replying sooner! Christmas preparations got in the way of my genealogy for a while!
Thanks for the lovely photo Julie08! I will go and visit there one day.
Juliawilliams, thanks so much for your reply. I am excited that your uncle can recall Agostino Granelli (my great grandfather's brother) and his family. Today I finally looked at the 1911 census and Agostino is there at 18 Catherine Street, manufacturing ice cream on the premises. He married Margherita Agazzi (I am fortunate that he wrote her maiden name and then lightly crossed over it), and there are two children listed: Miglia aged 7 and Francesco aged 5.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Nina
So now I am a step closer to finding that elusive link, but I am still very interested in hearing and seeing anything you have about Agostino. I may even have a photo of him myself (my great grandfather's wedding photo) but I would love to be able to confirm this.
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Hi Nina
Apologies for the delay, I have been very busy with a new baby! If you send me your private email address I shall scan in and send you a copy of the photo that my uncle has.
kind regards
Julia
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Hi Julia,
I saw the message regarding the Granelli in Macclesfield.
I have had a look at some of Doug Pickford's books on Macclesfield and found a photo of a Mr Granelli in his ice cream cart around the 1930s in the Spirit of Macclesfield. I wondered if you had seen the photo already?
regards
J
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Julia Williams
Hello to a distant cousin.
Julia we too have just connected our family to the Granelli family in two generations. Angelina Oliva married Fortunato Granelli and her niece Maria Veronica Corroto married Angelo Granelli. We are decendents of Angelina's brother Emanuel who emmigrated to America at 15 yrs old. Our questions lie with their mother Maria Devote Oliva who married Giovanni Oliva (may be Devoti or other variation). We know the Granelli's and Devoti's are also related by marriage and I am wondering if our Maria may fit in with your Guido Devoti family. I know your Madelina is Maria Veronica Corroto's daughter.
Do you have any ancestry beyond Guido (his parents etc) and where they were from in Italy. I have heard the Oliva's are from Lavagna. I write to you from Michigan in USA. We have a relative in UK doing some wonderful work and met the Granelli family. Any help would be wonderful.
Sue
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there is a familytree on geneanet.org
put in on homepage
surname granelli
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page 2 the 9th name down
Granelli 1819 Borgo Val Di Taro, Italy is this the same as your family ?
...if so , click on the green tree to the right of the name and the trees owners e-mail address and home address is there.....and her home address in France....she speaks English / Italian and French and she was online on geneanet yesterday.....good luck...allan ;)
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Dear Sue
It is nice to hear from you all the way from Michigan! apologies for the delay in getting back to you.
You may have read in earlier posts that I am Guido Devoti's grandaughter. I have been speaking with my Uncle, Peter (Guido's son) to check on the information you are looking for.
The information you have posted is all accurate, however I can clarify that Maria Devote Oliva is not related to Guido Devoti. It is just a coincidence that the names are so very similar. We are unsure as to the exact spelling of your Maria's surname (whether this is Devote or Divote) but my uncle is aware that there was a family in the Northwest with this name in the late 60's/early 70's as a man with this name introduced himself to my grandad Guido at an Italian convention - the discussion focusing on the similarity in their names! I do hope that this is of some help to you.
As you say however, we are distant cousins via the Granelli's!
Both the Granelli's and the Devotis came from Santa Maria Del Taro which is on the mountain pass behind Lavagna. If you look at earlier posts on this sight you will see a picture of the village.
I believe that it was your relative in the UK who met quite recently with my family.
Good luck with your searching, please let me know if we can be of any further help.
Kind regards Julia
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Thank you for responding...Julie!
Wonderful to meet another distant relative. Yes, it was our recent connection with another Oliva family member that met with your relatives recently. They have been so wonderful and helpful. Love all the photos they have been giving us as well. Be sure to thank them from their fascinated relatives in Michigan. We only recently confirmed our Italian heritage. Emanuel was born in UK, but changed his last name to Oliver upon coming to the US, so Oliva was a newly confirmed surname :o.
Thank you for clearing up that there is not a Devoti...Divote connection. The birth certificate of our Emanuel Oliva looks to be DIVOTE as does the marriage cert. of Giovani and Maria. This name does not come up on Italian surname searches, so I thought it may have been changed, as is often the case. We'll hunt for other Divote families in the NW.
Sue
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Hiya Sue......on www.geneanet.org if you put in
surname divote
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there are no family trees / no archive records ..but...ONE Library record for the name and it is recorded in 1878 in San Francisco ,America.............would this have been recorded as part of your family ?....
98 records for Devote
12 trees
50 archive
35 library..................one from Gwent,
1 other sources
allan
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Well hasn't this thread grown since I started it over three years ago now!
Julia, did you ever hear any more from your uncle about my Agostino Granelli family?
Nina
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Hi Sue - My uncle has seen your email on here, youre very welcome!
The best of luck locating the Divote family. I have just seen the family tree that your relations in Liverpool have created, its all very fascinating!
Nina - hello, long time no speak. I've forgotten where we were up to with our emails? did you get the photos that I mailed over (i bet it is over a year ago now)
Thanks Julia
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Hi Julia,
It has been a while. I received three photos I think. I was just wondering if there were any stories or rememberances from your uncle. I have not gotten any further with my research in the year that has past. But it is nice to know someone remembered my family.
Nina
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Allan,
Thank you. I don't know if this Divote will link up to Maria, but my search continues.
Nina, I have a family history page of the Granelli's that Julie's uncle sent to us.
No Agostino, but I will pm you with some other names preceding Agostino that may help your search.
Sue
Hiya Sue......on www.geneanet.org if you put in
surname divote
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there are no family trees / no archive records ..but...ONE Library record for the name and it is recorded in 1878 in San Francisco ,America.............would this have been recorded as part of your family ?....
98 records for Devote
12 trees
50 archive
35 library..................one from Gwent,
1 other sources
allan
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Hi,
Looking for relatives of Angelo Granelli. My grandfather , Ernest, was his brother and immigrated to the United States. Saw your communication and thought this would be a good place to start.
oreilly6
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You are in luck! The family that owns the Granelli ice cream shop in Macclesfield has some great info, if we are speaking of the same Angelo Granelli b 1882, d 1957 and married to Maria Corrato. We are linked via Maria, so only by marriage to the Granelli's. I have not fully explored the Granelli line itself.
Peter Devoti, of Granelli Ice Cream, has traced the Granelli family all the way back to the 1500’s in Italy and is a Granelli descendent and was a wonderful help for our side of the family too. Granelli's I believe are from Lavagna Italy and still return often.
http://www.granellismacclesfield.com/
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the current Granellis in Macclesfield are my cousins...Angelo was my grandfather's brother...they were definitely from Santa Maria Del Taro...Angelo married Veronica Corrota...they had two children, Madeline and Edward.... Madeline married Guido Devoti and they had five children...Angelo's brother, Ernest Edward, my grandgfather, left the family at age 15 and immigrated to the United States through Ellis Island in New York Harbor...however his entrance has him at the age 20/21...it is possible he worked a few years to earn passage over...he settled in Stamford CT and married my grandmother, who happened to have the same last name, Lyda Granelli...they had three children...my father was named Edward Ernest Granelli....their last sibling is still alive and still communicates with the Granellis in Macclesfield...my brother and I have just started researching...we have never met our cousins in England....fascinating....my grandfather owned a grocery store but ice cream was always important..to this day we have it almost every night!!
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By the way...a while back Peter sent my aunt the lineage traced back to the 1500s with a certification of its authenticity...
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Still no linking with my Agostino! :(
I have found some other information that might help find a link if there is one! One of Agostino's daughters, known as Maria, but probably Marietta born 1912 in England, went to the USA and married an Arthur Zecchini, a barber in Ohio. Her mother Margherita Agassi travelled from Genoa, Italy to the USA to live with her daughter in 1946. Maybe someone knows something about this?
Nina
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what is the Agostino connection?
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I began this thread (the messages related to this topic) asking for information about Agostino Granelli who lived in Macclesfield in 1918 (and since found out also from 1911). He is my great grandfather's brother. If you click on the number 1 from where it says Pages1, 2, 3, 4 above you can read the whole story. My Granelli family are also from Santa Maria del Taro but nobody has linked them to the ice cream manufacturers although my family says there IS a link. In fact I was told that one of my great aunts worked in the shop in Macclesfirld in the 1920's (approximately).
The postcard below is the one I refer to and is what made me sure that Agostino was in Macclesfield. It is from my great grandfather sent during WW1.
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Hi all,
Another little snippet about Agostino...I have confirmed he was still at Catherine Street in 1923 according to Kelly's Directory. He is listed as a confectioner, as is Angelo Granelli who is listed just below, at 60b Chestergate.
Nina
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Hello all
I am Angelo Granellis great grand daughter Julia and being with the family today my uncle Peter (Devoti) has told me about your posts so we thought it would be nice to reply, say hello and wish you all a merry Christmas.
It's nice to keep reading posts about the Granelli family many generations on, do keep in touch, contact isn't as frequent these days.
All the best for 2014
Julia, Peter & all the family in Macclesfield
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In fact I was told that one of my great aunts worked in the shop in Macclesfirld in the 1920's (approximately).
Hello, folks!
I hope there's no problem resurrecting an old thread. This is my first post here.
I've been researching the Granelli side of my family and came across this site.
Ninatoo, the great aunt you're talking about is Teresa Granelli, my grandmother. I'm the son of her daughter Margaret, and the oldest of Teresa's eight grandchildren.
I remember Nana talking about working at the Granelli store in Macclesfield. I don't remember the reason she was sent there to work. I'll ask my Mum for more information. I do remember that she said the family treated her kindly.
I'm trying to find out more information about the Granelli family in Italy. In particular, I'm looking for information about the Granellis living in Italy around the turn of the 20th century. I have a single reference to one person in particular, a Marietta who married into the Granelli family. (She later remarried, perhaps someone named Corsini.) Unfortunately I don't know the name of the man she married, or how they were related (if at all) to my grandmother.
There's a story with regard to my grandmother and Count Mario Mattei, the adopted son of Count Cesare Mattei, that I'm trying to decipher. Mum has a letter (and a photograph) from the Count to my grandmother in the 1930s where the Count was trying to get Nana to name her eldest son (my uncle David) after him (it didn't happen, as my grandfather David would have nothing of it). I'm piecing together the mystery, and I'm trying to figure out the connection between the Count and Nana. I found a reference to "Marietta Granelli", who took over as caretaker of Rocchetta Mattei (the Count's castle). I have my suspicions that Marietta Granelli is related some way to Macclesfield/Glasgow Granellis, and that it was through her that Nana became associated with Count Mario.
If anyone has questions about this side of the family, let me know and I can pass on any questions to my Mum.
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I worked with a Peter Granelli in the mid 1970's. He was the manager of a cash & carry in Llandudno Junction, N.Wales.He was from either Macclesfield or Manchester, married, smoker and wore large glasses. A real wheeler dealer, nice man, liked working for him. I knw he was part of the Granelli ice cream family.
Brian
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I've just come across this thread, my family name is Devote and my grandmother used to recall going up to Manchester to visit a Devote family selling ice-cream up there. We are from Pembroke and the original Devote was Jacob Devote born c1820, their first record in this country is in 1841 birth of first child and census. My grandfather William Jacob Devote is known to be the first selling ice-cream in Pembroke, he had a horse and cart.
Back to Manchester they are on the 1881 census living at No 7 Richmond Street, Macclesfield. They had 5 daughters so no Devote descendants. I am curious about Peter Devoti as the spelling of this name does vary and there are Latinos in America with the name Devote, but there are a couple of documents showing the name Devoto as the original spelling.
I am not sure how we are related to the Manchester family as the head John Devote born Italy is not a son of Jacob so does not fit into our tree. We have a John Devote born 1844 Jacob's first son, I have the marriage cert of John Devote Manchester and he puts his father down as Andrew and married an Emma Royle.
In 1911 they have two Lyons grandchildren with them and a Coppello a shop assistant.
My Devote grandparents married in 1921, so I guess they must have visited in 1920s early 1930s.
I won't go on as I have so many documents.
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awgoodall, I am sorry I did not reply to you sooner. I can only think that it was because last year in July my father was quite ill, and he passed away in the August so I was not in a good frame of mind for research.
I think I had previously been exchanging emails with your sister a few years back.
I only came across this post again because of a query one of my relatives had, and I began searching my old posts to find an answer. I wanted to say that I have also heard the story about the Count from my uncle and it was rather vague but he seemed to think we were related to the Count somehow. I would be very interested in hearing more about that from you.
I still have not been able to make a connection with the Macclesfield Granelli family, though my own Granelli relatives are certain they are related.
Again, I am sorry that I had not replied sooner,
Ninatoo
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I don`t think it is a coincidence that one of the biggest ice cream makers in Manchester (New Cross/Ancoats area)was the
Granelli family.
They were in Manchester at the latter end of the 1800`s, until the area was demolished in the late 1950`s /early 1960`s.
So many Italian families settled there that it was known as "Little Italy".
Granelli.
Pesagno.
Batchegalupo.
Rea.
Crolla.
Pandolfo.
Quigliogotti.etc.
The Madonna ,carried in the Italian Whit walks, was stored the rest of the year in Granelli`s ice cream making premises.
They were in Jersey St.
It was a lovely sight to see the Italian girls in national costume.
Mr. John Pesagno always stood on the corner of Bradford St and Butler St when our church ,St Philip`s was starting the Whit walks into Albert Square. He would take off his Homburg hat and stand bareheaded as a mark of respect, and this despite him being interned during the war, and despite these being Protestant walks.
My sister`s late husband was related to the Devoge and Lyons families.
Viktoria.
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It's been quite a while since I visited. Somewhere in this thread or another about the Granelli family, the Macclesfield Granellis informed my contact that they believed my Granelli family were not related to them. However, after doing a DNA test at Ancestry.com and having had matches to people who are definitely related to those in Macclesfield, I can say that without a doubt my Granelli family and the Macclesfield Granellis are linked. ;D
I knew this had to be so, because my great aunt and couple of second cousins had visited them, and were greeted as family members, and this was as late as the fifties or sixties, so I am not sure where the knowledge of this connection had disappeared to. I hope someone here who has connection to them can let them know, and we can see if we can find the actual link.
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Hi,
I was searching for some info about Agostino Granelli's Ice Cream and found this thread.
I thought the OP/others might be interested in this photo from the Rudyard Lake archive.
I'm not entirely sure of the year of this one but can probably find out! It looks to have been taken by the Dam at the South end of the lake.
I have a much higher quality version if interested (500kb max size on here). Cheers.
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Hi
It’s a long time since I have visited this site. My name is Julia Perez (nee Williams). My family are the Granelli’s of Macclesfield. I write on behalf of my uncle Peter Devoti who would really like to get hold of a copy of the picture you have posted (a high quality version) is this still possible?
Kind regards
Julia