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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: jenvin on Friday 17 November 06 05:14 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I'm new here and I am looking for the names Addicoat, Addicott, Addicoate, and a few more derivations. They are running the family christian names of William and John and maybe Thomas. I have traced them back to William and john in the 1660s, but cannot get back any further.
The name changes and stays as Addicoat from the 1700's.
I was wondering if any one has knowledge of this family name?
I only just stumbled onto this site by accident, but it seems to be an answer to my problems.
Thanks
Jen
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Hi Jen
Just found this site and your posts...still learning how to navigate it! I may have some info for you as just today I chatted with my second cousin about the family tree...I also have verbal info from my Nana...apparently the Addicoat name was 'anglicised' from the french name, pronouced d'arrcoat...not sure of the spelling...that may explain why its hard to trace past the Addicoat name in the 1700's...
part of the discussion today was that our tree goes back to a 6 member family that came from France and settled in St Buryan....when I get a copy of the details I will have the dates and names of this family...hope this helps, keep me posted :) Tunya
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Hi Tunya,
Thanks, I'd be very interested to hear what you find out. According to my father, there is supposed to be a french connection somewhere around either 1563 or 1653.
Thanks for the contact. :)
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Hi Jen
The earliest we can go back is to this Addicoat family of 6....the members are:
Prudence b 1640 married a Rawlin
Henry 1647-1714 married Dorothy
William b 1655 married Susan (this is my ancestor)
Paskow 1649-1721 married Elizabeth
John b 1651 married Tamsen
Richard b 1653 married Dorothy
They all married in St Buryan...and in the church yard there, a few Addicoat graves with the family 'crest' of a round stone combined with a cross...
Where are you writing from? Are you over in England?
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apparently the Addicoat name was 'anglicised' from the french name, pronouced d'arrcoat...not sure of the spelling...that may explain why its hard to trace past the Addicoat name in the 1700's...
Here's a romantic theory for you ...
I theorized, from the phonetic spelling, that the name would have been d'Arcote. There is in fact a street by that name in France today. But no Arcote in France. However, a search found a reference to "d'Arcote" in a 19th century history of England in French ... and it transpires that Arcote was the French version of the name of a place in India where a significant battle between French and English forces took place in 1751. It is called Arcot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Arcot
As I was reading the old history text, I wondered why I had never even heard of the French in India. Googling history france "in india" found me some info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_India
France was the last of the major European maritime powers of the 17th century to enter the East India trade in a significant way. ... The first French expedition to India is believed to have taken place in the first half of the 16th century [i.e. 1500s], during the reign of François I, when two ships were fitted out by some merchants of Rouen to trade in eastern seas; they sailed from Le Havre and were never heard of again. In 1604 a company was granted letters patent by Henri IV, but the project failed. Fresh letters patent were issued in 1615, and two ships went to India, only one returning. ...
The map there shows the earliest French colonial empire as including eastern North America and a large part of what is now eastern/northern India, extending south to Pondicherry -- on google maps today, this is Pudacherry. Arcot is about 100 miles north, in what is now Tamil Nadu state.
An 1875 book called Legends of the Black Watch has a story called The Massacre at Fort William Henry [NY state], in 1778, in which the Compte d'Arcot, "a high military noble, who had covered himself with distinction in India", figures. There is only one other reference I could find to Count d'Arcot, in an 1843 Illinois newspaper for which, without paying, I can only see the OCRed text, which refers to an Amerindian woman who had a child who she said "had no claims to the throwne, but was in fact the property of a French emigrant, the Count d'Arcot".
The Black Watch book refers to him as "this soldier of fortune; for such he was, having been created Count d'Arcot and Knight of St. Louis for his bravery at the recapture of that city of Hindostan, the capital of the Carnatic" [i.e. the city of Arcot]. Perhaps he was the source of the name now found in France. Googling france "d'arcot" finds the Bois d'Arcot - Arcot Forest - in France, between Paris and Dijon. There are also various family trees on line with the name d'Arcot/Dargeot in the area of Loubs, France, near the Swiss border (also shown there in the last century at www.geopatronyme.com).
So unfortunately, in any event, this Compte d'Arcot's name dates from the Carnatic Wars in the mid-18th century, and not from the 16th or 17th century. That still leaves the possibility that someone, for instance a man who was there in the earliest days of France's adventures in India, took his name from the city at an earlier date. The French at the time (as anyone who has searched early French records in what are now Canada and the US knows) were quite fond of multiple names: so-and-so dit (called) such-and-such. Various parts of the Drouin collection at Ancestry show the names Arcoite, Arcott(e), Arcouet(te), in French Canada and the US.
Was wondering whether the name might have made its way to the Channel Islands and thence to Cornwall. Jersey Heritage has no record of any variant of the name, though:
http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_person_search.php
FamilySearch has a baptism in Devon in 1612 that is an error for the name Arscotte. FS does find early Arcot events in Hereford, and also a Mary Arcot buried in 1809 in Bengal, India.
Ah wait, I find an earlier historical reference ...
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/0xdr/
1553, war in France ...
Thus stood affairs when, in the Month of May 1553, Anne de Montmorencie ... raised a numerous army, and marched towards the invaders, who were carrying the tie of war through Picardy ... . With those troops went Sir William Kirkaldy of Grange ... . [The text then refers to other Scottish solidiers of fortune who were with him.]
... Soon afterwards he was informed by a spy, that a strong column of Spanish horse, let by the Duke d'Arcot, were that very night to assault his camp ... . Many brave knights were slain, and Arcot was taken prisoner.
This would be where the name of the Bois d'Arcot comes from, I think.
Old French history books available in google books also refer to the role of the duc d'Arcot in those events.
The title continued in Spain over the years -- another pay-to-view US historical newspaper, 1901:
http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/29206212/
Secretary Hay today gave to the Spanish minister, Duke d'Arcot, a treasury warrant for 8100,000 In payment for the Island of Cagnyan and other islands near the Philippine group.
Apparently in Spanish it is the Duchy of Arcos:
http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducado_de_Arcos
and is connected with Ponce de Leon.
The early Duke seems equally unlikely to have founded a clan in Cornwall though, I would think. ;)
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Hi Jen
The earliest we can go back is to this Addicoat family of 6....the members are:
Prudence b 1640 married a Rawlin
Henry 1647-1714 married Dorothy
William b 1655 married Susan (this is my ancestor)
Paskow 1649-1721 married Elizabeth
John b 1651 married Tamsen
Richard b 1653 married Dorothy
They all married in St Buryan...and in the church yard there, a few Addicoat graves with the family 'crest' of a round stone combined with a cross...
Where are you writing from? Are you over in England?
Hi Tunya,
No, I'm in Australia.
5th Generation Addicoat. Descended from William Richard Addicoat and Phillis Penrose.
Ah, the round stone with the cross inside is a Celtic Cross, not the 'family' crest.
The Addicoat crest is actually a fox head.
I have found the best source of information is the Cornwall Parish on Line Website.
It's also very easy to use. The lines you have as your earliest, are the one's I have stopped at as well.
Maybe also look at - AddaCott, Adycot on the Cornish Parish on Line.
Janey's Post may also throw up something.
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apparently the Addicoat name was 'anglicised' from the french name, pronouced d'arrcoat...not sure of the spelling...that may explain why its hard to trace past the Addicoat name in the 1700's...
Here's a romantic theory for you ...
I theorized, from the phonetic spelling, that the name would have been d'Arcote. There is in fact a street by that name in France today. But no Arcote in France. However, a search found a reference to "d'Arcote" in a 19th century history of England in French ... and it transpires that Arcote was the French version of the name of a place in India where a significant battle between French and English forces took place in 1751. It is called Arcot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Arcot
As I was reading the old history text, I wondered why I had never even heard of the French in India. Googling history france "in india" found me some info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_India
France was the last of the major European maritime powers of the 17th century to enter the East India trade in a significant way. ... The first French expedition to India is believed to have taken place in the first half of the 16th century [i.e. 1500s], during the reign of François I, when two ships were fitted out by some merchants of Rouen to trade in eastern seas; they sailed from Le Havre and were never heard of again. In 1604 a company was granted letters patent by Henri IV, but the project failed. Fresh letters patent were issued in 1615, and two ships went to India, only one returning. ...
The map there shows the earliest French colonial empire as including eastern North America and a large part of what is now eastern/northern India, extending south to Pondicherry -- on google maps today, this is Pudacherry. Arcot is about 100 miles north, in what is now Tamil Nadu state.
An 1875 book called Legends of the Black Watch has a story called The Massacre at Fort William Henry [NY state], in 1778, in which the Compte d'Arcot, "a high military noble, who had covered himself with distinction in India", figures. There is only one other reference I could find to Count d'Arcot, in an 1843 Illinois newspaper for which, without paying, I can only see the OCRed text, which refers to an Amerindian woman who had a child who she said "had no claims to the throwne, but was in fact the property of a French emigrant, the Count d'Arcot".
The Black Watch book refers to him as "this soldier of fortune; for such he was, having been created Count d'Arcot and Knight of St. Louis for his bravery at the recapture of that city of Hindostan, the capital of the Carnatic" [i.e. the city of Arcot]. Perhaps he was the source of the name now found in France. Googling france "d'arcot" finds the Bois d'Arcot - Arcot Forest - in France, between Paris and Dijon. There are also various family trees on line with the name d'Arcot/Dargeot in the area of Loubs, France, near the Swiss border (also shown there in the last century at www.geopatronyme.com).
So unfortunately, in any event, this Compte d'Arcot's name dates from the Carnatic Wars in the mid-18th century, and not from the 16th or 17th century. That still leaves the possibility that someone, for instance a man who was there in the earliest days of France's adventures in India, took his name from the city at an earlier date. The French at the time (as anyone who has searched early French records in what are now Canada and the US knows) were quite fond of multiple names: so-and-so dit (called) such-and-such. Various parts of the Drouin collection at Ancestry show the names Arcoite, Arcott(e), Arcouet(te), in French Canada and the US.
Was wondering whether the name might have made its way to the Channel Islands and thence to Cornwall. Jersey Heritage has no record of any variant of the name, though:
http://search.fibis.org/frontis/bin/aps_person_search.php
FamilySearch has a baptism in Devon in 1612 that is an error for the name Arscotte. FS does find early Arcot events in Hereford, and also a Mary Arcot buried in 1809 in Bengal, India.
Ah wait, I find an earlier historical reference ...
Thanks Janey, Lots of historical information there.
The reason you may not be able to find the name, is that it may have been wiped from the books.
Family lore has it that the family had to flee France because of religious beliefs and the name and crest was destroyed.
They were supposabley blue bloods who were also Huguenots (?), although why they would settle in Cornwall is beyond me.
I have also found a couple of Addicoat's in Devon having to swear allegiance to one of the kings.
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(Just a hint -- no need to quote great big posts like mine in order to reply to them!)
No ... names don't get wiped from the books. ;)
The Huguenot names can be traced in France from before their exodus, and there will usually be records of them in England.
Quite a few Huguenots did settle in Devon, in fact. One idea is that the lace-making industry in Devon was originated by Huguenot immigrants. Cornwall not so much I think.
And in fact you have Addicoat records in Cornwall pre-1650, which predates the Huguenot exodus, although there were French protestants in England before then.
"I have also found a couple of Addicoat's in Devon having to swear allegiance to one of the kings."
-- can you provide details of what you have found? It could be quite significant. It could just relate to the Civil War period though, and not to any foreign influence maybe.
edit - I see this theory was explored here back in 2006 and nothing found to support it:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=567593.0
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Oh okay. No quotes to the bigger pieces.
I'll see if I can dig the names out, but I'm not sure I took down the address of the web page they were on.
I do remember that the same names are in my lines.
There is also an 'Addicoat Cross' somewhere north of Cornwall, but then if it's later years, the line could have moved up there. (I'll have to get the link to that page.)
After reading the shipping logs passenger lists, I think most of the immigrated to the USA and Australia. Not that many left in the UK anymore.
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http://www.dartmoor-crosses.org.uk/addiscott.htm
Addiscott Cross
Location: On top of the hedge, opposite the signpost, at the crossroads beside Addiscott Farm.
Purpose: Waymarker showing the way from outlying farms and hamlets to the church at South Tawton.
It doesn't give its original date.
Addiscott doesn't seem to be an actual surname in Cornwall.
Several of yours did marry as Addicott, as you've seen.
This is likely the oath in question:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestation_of_1641
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestation_Returns_of_1642
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Oh there have been quite a few derivations on the name. (In fact it's still going. The differences in spelling of the surname, just associated with me is unbelievable.)
Considering most of them back then were probably illiterate, and the changes of the names throughout the years, it's a 'could be connected'.
There was also a suggestion in the family lore, the French name could have been something similar to 'Addiscote', but I haven't been able to find anything close.
Yes, those 'Oaths' seem familar.
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Found this one - 1641. Which is where the line in Cornwall roughly starts.
http://www.devonheritage.org/Places/Bampton/BamptonProtestationReturn.htm (http://www.devonheritage.org/Places/Bampton/BamptonProtestationReturn.htm)
Notice the subtle change in name.
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Ancestry does show a Chancery (civil court) record for a Henry Addiscote in Devon 1504-1515 -- way before Huguenot times.
All names started somewhere and somehow, but the where and the how aren't always identifiable. Some names in England have French origins from way back -- my gr-grfather's assumed name Monck is supposed to have started with William Lemoyne (moine being the French word for a monk) who accompanied William the Conqueror. On the other hand his (maybe) real name, Hill, probably came from his ancestor living on some hill somewhere. My Carters and Coopers are probably descended from a carter (who transported things by horsecart) and a cooper (who made barrels). Some are a mystery. ;)
Here's an old post elswhere about possible name connections, specifically mentioning Arscott that I'd run into earlier, and may be worth considering for further research:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/arscott/messages/45.html
Sorry, no French invaders ARSCOTT is as English as the hills in England., Connections with the Plantagent Kings. yes, but only because of marriage. You need to see the records at the D.R.O. at Exeter. No 178B/M/F2 and the VISITATIONS OF DEVON FOR ARSCOTT pedigree sheets for ARSCOTT of ARSCOTT. You can get copys through the post, This might be of interest to. BRITISH SURNAMES. ARSCOTT. ORIGIN OLD ENGLISH. MEANS A LOCAL OF ARSCOTT SHROPSHIRE. OR ARSCOTT IN DEVON. ARSCOTT IN DEVON WAS RECORDED IN THE YEAR 1292 AS ASSHECOTE AND AS AYSHOOTE IN 1333. IN THE HUNDRED ROLLS OF SHROPSHIRE AS ARDEESCOTE. JOHN ARSCOTT OF DEVON WAS RECORDED AS ARYSCOTE, ADDESCOTE ADDYSCOTE ADESCOTE ADESCOTE AND ADDYSCOTE IN THE YEAR 1513. THIS LIKE LIKE THE SURNAME ATHERSCOTE IN THE YEAR 1287 MUST DERIVE FROM ADDISCOTE IN SOUTH TAWTON DEVON. AND FROM AEDRICHESCOTA IN THE YEAR 1166, AND ADDISCOTT OR ARSCOTT AS RECORDED IN THE YEAR 1658.
edit re http://www.devonheritage.org/Places/Bampton/BamptonProtestationReturn.htm
Yes, it has the names Adicote, Addicott and Adcote.
And your St Buryan people in the 1600s and 1700s did baptise their young variously as Adicote, Adicott, Adicot and Adicoat, and the same variations with the "dd".
Heh heh, maybe we're related ...
http://www.devonheritage.org/Places/Ashwater/AshwaterinKellysDirectory1939.htm
Ashwater is a parish and a village on the river Carey, half a mile north-west from Ashwater station on a section of the Southern Railway from Exeter to Launceston ... . The register dates from the year 1558 and records the baptism here of the father of general Monk, afterwards Duke of Albemarle [George Monck], and also the marriage of his grandfather to a Miss Arscott.
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Janey, I wouldn't be surprised at all. :)
Spellings of the names keep changing. In 1915, a young man joined the Army in Australia to do 'his bit'. Unfortunately, he died of meningitis two months later. His fathers name was Addicoat, but his name on his papers is Addicoate.
I think we'd go nuts trying to piece every name change together.
This is the time when we need a time machine to go back and check things out. Especially when you have no surname of the wife on the marriage certificate.
Wouldn't it make things so much easier!! ;D
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Maybe you can get a discount!! --
http://www.liberty100.co.uk/title/lordship-of-addiscote-id1014/
And when I went ploughing back through the Devon Monck trees posted at familysearch, I found that an earlier one, Hugh Le Moyne, married a Ms Estcotte round about the year 1175 ... so one way or another ... ;)
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Hmm, never actually thought of searching others family trees again.
Did that once, and oh boy, talk about mistakes.
One of them had the father marrying the granddaughter. You would have thought the birthdates would have clued the owner in on that one.
I'll have to check my great Aunts tree. Thanks for the hint Janey. :)
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Just had a look at the link.
The Addicott shield is different. Roundels on an X
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Hi Jen
The earliest we can go back is to this Addicoat family of 6....the members are:
Prudence b 1640 married a Rawlin
Henry 1647-1714 married Dorothy
William b 1655 married Susan (this is my ancestor)
Paskow 1649-1721 married Elizabeth
John b 1651 married Tamsen
Richard b 1653 married Dorothy
They all married in St Buryan...and in the church yard there, a few Addicoat graves with the family 'crest' of a round stone combined with a cross...
Where are you writing from? Are you over in England?
Tunya, Just had a look at mine and William and Susan is my direct line ancestor as well. ;D
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Tunya,
Here's an idea out of left field
a de cote - French translation - To side of.
England is to the side of France???
The 'e' becomes a 'y' - adycote, and from then on, you can get any of the different spellings that we've come across.
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Way out in left field. ;)
Beside (to the side of) = à côté de, côté being pronounced ko-tay. (Bilingual Canadian here!)
A de cote would mean something like "has rib" or "has dimension". If it meant anything, which it really doesn't. ;)
I've been doing YDNA analyses of both sides of my family. After discovering that my gr-grfather was really born a Hill, I thought my job was done. Turns out that genetically he is a Hore, or Hoar, or Hoare. What is the origin of that name? Wise grey-bearded elder, from the dictionary definition of "hoar" (e.g. hoar frost)? That's a prevailing theory and I think it's silly, since there are separate and unrelated Hore/Hoar/Hoare families. How about: they were mining folk in Cornwall, so they're named for the copper oar (which is how the name is pronounced)? On my other side, feeling secure in my trail of parish records back to the 1500s, I've just discovered that my best genetic matches are with a family called Weedon, a name that appears nowhere in my tree or in the vicinity of my ancestors' stomping grounds. Were they weedy-looking people? I guess it comes from the name of the place in Buckinghamshire. Where did it get its name? Ah ... from the Anglo-Saxon words for temple and hill. Haha, and I thought the Hill was on the other side of my family!
I don't place much store in potted name stories produced by scroll-selling outfits, but this one looks reasonable to me, given that we are actually talking about Devon/Cornwall in your family's case.
http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Addicote
Recorded in a number of spellings including Addicott, Addicote, Addeycott, Edicot, Adiscot, and Adacot, this is an English locational surname, from the village of Addiscott, in the county of Devon. The village name is of Olde English pre 7th century origins and derives it is said from 'Aeddi', a male personal name of that period, plus 'cott', a house with about four acres of land, enough to raise a family upon. An alternative suggestion is that the village name is descriptive and means 'at the cott', which is also quite a logical explanation. ...
So ... Eddie's Farmhouse. ;)
I would settle on that one if I were you! And that will be what the Lordship of Addiscote you can buy cheap relates to, I imagine. The sale details specify that it is in the parish of South Tawton, and Addiscott shows on the map here:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/place/Addiscott_in_Devon_377611_04611.htm
Addiscott Estate, Addiscott Farm, and Addiscott Home Farm, right by Addiscott Cross that you mentioned earlier, just west of Okehampton. Perhaps the family took the place name with them when they branched out from that location.
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Janey, like I said, it was just an idea, but it does marry up with a Herry ADYCOT marriage mention in Cornwall in 1583.
There's also another name meaning given as 'man of the coast'.
We also have the earlier Addacott, going back to 1552 with the wifes surname being 'Sampsoun'.
Now, that could be Sampson, or it could be a french derivative.
It was just interesting that Tunya's grandmother has also heard of the French connection. Obviously a story which has travelled through the lines.
Devon is virtually next to Cornwall, so it's not inconceivable the family may have travelled from there.
Finding them is going to be the hard part. :)
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Oh, I also believe that the pronounciation of the name could have been A-Dis-Ko-Tay, or A-Dee-Ko-Tay. (Just from enquiries I have made from my end.)