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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: JARRA LAD on Friday 17 November 06 15:09 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone tell me anything about the family of PATRICK and MARGARET MARTIN who appear to have lived in the parish of Magheracloone, Co. Monaghan, in the 1830s and 1840s?
They were the parents of ANN MARTIN, born in Co. Monaghan in 1834 or 1835. She migrated to Sunderland where she married Patrick Hoey on 24 July 1854. She had a sister who was about six years older than her, MARY, b. 1828-9. She married a Joseph White in Sunderland also - 1853. There was also a younger sister, ROSE, who married Michael Keenan in Durham City in February 1855. She died in Crook, Co. Durham, in 1873 (aged 36). This would make her born c. 1837.
The girls had a brother named PATRICK and, possibly, other brothers too: PHILIP and MICHAEL. They acted as godfathers to their sisters' children in a number of Co. Durham baptisms.
In the St. Cuthbert's parish entry for the MARTIN - KEENAN marriage her parents' address was given as 'MARACLONE'. Was this definitely an abbreviated form sometimes used for Magheracloone?
What might be the Catholic church registers (which churches) I might possibly consult to chase up these baptisms?
Is there anyone who knows anything about this Martin family and could possibly help me identify precisely where they lived and the other usual family tree details?
Fingers crossed.
JL.
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There are 2 parishes in Magheracloone.Saint Peter and Saint Paul's and Saint Patrick's.Info on these parishes can be accessed from the site<www.carrickmacross.ie>click on Religious Services.
Ther was a family called Martin who used to stay down the old bog road at Derrynascobe,they would have went to Saint Peter and Saint Paul's at Drumgossat Magheracloone.
Hope this can help
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Don't know if this is the same family?
9th June 1889, Dennis Boyle son of Thomas Boyle Of Mullylusty, married Anna Marie Martin daughter of John Martin of Carrickashedoge at St. Patrick's (The Rock Chapel), Carrickashedoge, Magheracloone.
They moved to Consett.
Mullylusty is south of Carrickmacross on the border of Louth.
Did your family have any cousins called Hurson?
Regards
Rewcastle
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My family are the Martins that lived in Derrynascobe at the end of the Old Bog Road. There are a lot of Martins in Magheracloone. They had to give them all nick names. My family were called the Prandie Martins because my Great Grandfather was called Proinsias (Francis). I know of another family that were alled the Duck Martins.
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My family were the Reilly family who lived at Derrynascobe down the bog road until the land subsided. I'm sure the Martin's were their neighbours
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I have heard of the Reillys. They were about half way down the road from what I remember. There was Rosie and Barney and I think maybe another brother that might have been called Joe. My Dad was one of the Martins and he left home and moved to England in the 1950s. I remember hearing about when the field fell in.
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This thread was started by a distant relation of mine and I am descended from the above mentioned Rose Martin who married Michael Keenan. These Martins lived at Leons Beg, Upper Magheracloone a half mile north of the Rock Chapel on the road to Carrickmacross. The last Martin to live there was James who succeeded his father Patrick Martin but never married and died in 1916, however his niece Ann White who was born in Co Durham 1853 and had moved to live in with her uncle was still living there when James died but she never married either and I expect she died there too but I have yet to trace her death record.
James actually vacated the original Martin house and holding in the early 1890's for reasons which are unclear but he may have been evicted, the new tenant was a Babington who demolished the house and turned the holding into a field. Meanwhile James Martin found refuge in a smaller adjacent cottage formerly occupied by Owen Martin but by then held by John Duffy. This cottage still stands vacant today and is mentioned in Liam McCaul's 'Footprints in Stone --- Around the Rockchapel' where it is said that it had been used as a forge and I would welcome any information regarding this building and the Martins of Leons Beg.
J.T.A.
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Thanks for your response. I will ask around in my family to see if we have any further information for you. I have an Aunt who married into our family but her maiden name was also Martin when she married my Uncle. I believe that her family were from up at the Rock Chapel. Also, I have a cousin who married into a family called Babbington and they built their house on the Babbington family land which is up in that area.
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I understand that there is now a number of houses owned by the Babingtons on what was formerly the Martin ancestral lands and I know it is a delicate subject as there were riots in the district when some of the lands, encouraged by the landlords, were taken over by a Mr Babingtons who I think may have formerly lived in Cavan, but I have no quarrel with those living there today, it's just an historical fact. However my late mother spoke with great bitterness and emotion when repeating tales from her parents of the loss of their ancestral lands.
Many thanks for your interest.
J.T.A.
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Unfortunately there was a lot of that kind of thing that went on back then and it was all political. Generally, the people moved out would have been catholic and those move in would have been protestant. You have the right attitude though in that it is history now and you cannot hold it against the people currently living on land the was historically disputed.
If I come across anything I think might be of further interest, I will let you know.
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Thanks again, I am really trying to put a bit of beef on the Martin family history and wondering who they were related to and if there are any relations left.
At the beginning of the 19th century all of the southern part of Leons Beg (pronounced Lones Beg) was held by the Martin and Duffy families who were probably intermarried and I am trying to establish if there was an historical connection between the Duffys of Leons Beg and James Joseph Duffy a prominant Carrickmacross merchant who as a widower in 1895 came to Sunderland to marry Ann Hoey born Sunderland 1871 daughter of Ann Martin born Leons Beg circa 1832 who had emigrated to Sunderland almost fifty years earlier. The mystery being, how did a prosperous Carrickmacross merchant know a Sunderland born girl of industrial working class backgound sufficiently to travel there and marry her?
By the time of the 1901 census the elderly Mrs Ann Hoey nee Martin was visiting her daughter Mrs Ann Duffy at Carrickmacross at the same time as her brother James Martin was still living less than three miles away at Leons Beg with his Co Durham born niece Mary White by which time J.J. Duffy had established his Mineral Water Factory and was chairman of the council.
Sadly Mrs Ann Duffy didn't live much longer, she died in 1903 leaving three infant children and interestingly was not buried at Carrickmacross but taken to the Rock Chapel instead where I'm assuming she must lie in a Martin plot but no gravestone can be found.
I suppose it's too late now to jog people's memories but I live in hope.
J.T.A.
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Is anyone familiar with Lawrence Martin (approx 1830 - 1890)? in the region near Donaghmoyne? His daughter Catherine (Kate) is my gggrandmother; she emigrated to the USA in 1881 with husband Patrick Cassidy.
I know little about the Martins and would welcome any suggestions/advice.
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I too have recently found members on Martin family in Derrynascobe dating from about 1729 to 1840 I believe.
Going back through the family line, it would read, Patrick(1835), Owen, William, Edward, Brian(1729).
Does this ring any bells?
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Do you know when they married or had children before emigrating?
J.T.A.
Is anyone familiar with Lawrence Martin (approx 1830 - 1890)? in the region near Donaghmoyne? His daughter Catherine (Kate) is my gggrandmother; she emigrated to the USA in 1881 with husband Patrick Cassidy.
I know little about the Martins and would welcome any suggestions/advice.
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My family were the Reilly family who lived at Derrynascobe down the bog road until the land subsided. I'm sure the Martin's were their neighbours
rose o reilly was my best friend when i was only a child i used to call to see her everyday for tea and jaffa cakes ,feed her chickens and talk about the gossip in magheracloone she was a wise old woman very kind i was eleven years old when she passed away in her home i have fond memberies to this day of wee rosie reilly ,she also had a sister maryanne married jhon fox another sister bridget that lived in england also another sister cant remember their name was married to a scottish man dont really remember rosie other brothers joe and barney .i was rosies neighbour in clonseady in magheracloone my name is niall quigley
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My family were the Reilly family who lived at Derrynascobe down the bog road until the land subsided. I'm sure the Martin's were their neighbours
rose o reilly was my best friend when i was only a child i used to call to see her everyday for tea and jaffa cakes ,feed her chickens and talk about the gossip in magheracloone she was a wise old woman very kind i was eleven years old when she passed away in her home i have fond memberies to this day of wee rosie reilly ,she also had a sister maryanne married jhon fox another sister bridget that lived in england also another sister cant remember their name was married to a scottish man dont really remember rosie other brothers joe and barney .i was rosies neighbour in clonseady in magheracloone my name is niall quigley
also a sister in dundalk
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Can anyone tell me anything about the family of PATRICK and MARGARET MARTIN who appear to have lived in the parish of Magheracloone, Co. Monaghan, in the 1830s and 1840s?
They were the parents of ANN MARTIN, born in Co. Monaghan in 1834 or 1835. She migrated to Sunderland where she married Patrick Hoey on 24 July 1854. She had a sister who was about six years older than her, MARY, b. 1828-9. She married a Joseph White in Sunderland also - 1853. There was also a younger sister, ROSE, who married Michael Keenan in Durham City in February 1855. She died in Crook, Co. Durham, in 1873 (aged 36). This would make her born c. 1837.
The girls had a brother named PATRICK and, possibly, other brothers too: PHILIP and MICHAEL. They acted as godfathers to their sisters' children in a number of Co. Durham baptisms.
In the St. Cuthbert's parish entry for the MARTIN - KEENAN marriage her parents' address was given as 'MARACLONE'. Was this definitely an abbreviated form sometimes used for Magheracloone?
What might be the Catholic church registers (which churches) I might possibly consult to chase up these baptisms?
Is there anyone who knows anything about this Martin family and could possibly help me identify precisely where they lived and the other usual family tree details?
Fingers crossed.
JL.
hello there my family is martin,my gt grandad was william tyler martin married agnes todd who i believe was from sunderland area,lived near crook co durham,more info on way just wondering if theres a connection thanks ste
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thanks lol :-[
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What other information do you have? I am assuming William Martin married Agnes Todd in 1935 in the registration district of Auckland. The nearest male Martin of Magheracloone lived Spennymoor which is several miles from Crook. Rose Martin lived at Willington about three miles from Crook but she died 1873 and in any case her married name was Keenan.
J.T.A.
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I have a photo of my grandfather and great grandfathers gravestone in the churchyard at ST. Peter and ST. Pauls at Drumgossat in Magheracloone and there are Martin headstones on both sides of our family headstone
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Would any of you be familiar with the James Martin family who lived a mile or so south of Carrickmacross? As I understand, they lived in Magheross Parish, Dunoge townland. James was married to Mary Leary. Their son Thomas and daughter Sarah lived there as late as 1911.
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Sarah appears to have died 1920
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014924/005014924_00482.pdf
as the date of grant is Jan 1920 this is more likely her death
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR21-VZJ
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How might I locate Sarah's will? I'm planning a trip to Carrickmacross in June and would like to find more information on the family; the location of their home and burial site.
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I recently got interested in Ancestry.co.uk and traced my father`s line to Owen Martin(born 1847 in Magheracloone) as quoted in JT Arthurs post regarding James Martin being taken in by Owen after being evicted by the Babingtons. Apparently Owen's cottage was later used as a forge and was still standing 10 years ago. I have friends in Dundalk and definitely going to visit the forge and St Peter and Pauls Church next time I`m in Ireland.
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I am looking for a Patrick Martin married to Elizabeth Byrne. I think Elizabeth probably came from Mageracloone (with my GGx3 Anne Byrne who I think was her sister). So I assume Patrick may have come from close by.
Patrick was a Soap Chandler. And was born in the late 1700's/early 1800's.
Patrick and Elizabeth had a daughter Catherine Theresa Martin who married a John Fitzsimons - either in Monaghan or in Newry. Catherine and John then emigrated to Austrailia.
I have a DNA match with an Australian descendent.
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Sarah appears to have died 1920
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014924/005014924_00482.pdf
as the date of grant is Jan 1920 this is more likely her death
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR21-VZJ
Her death record - 4 January 1919 at Donoge [sic].
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1919/05161/4423481.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/monaghan/farney/magheross/carrickmacross-rural/dunoge/
KG