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Does anyone know anything about ARTHUR HOY's family in NSW?
He was born Arthur Joseph Hoy in Tyne Dock, SOUTH SHIELDS. Co. Durham on 26 March 1910 (40 Frost Street). He was the only child of Arthur Hoy (born in South Shields on 8 February 1887; died at the District Hospital in Cessnock, NSW, on 8 April 1955 (aged 68)) and Ellen Ditchburn. He was a miner who, I believe, worked in the Kurri Kurri mines. From the 1930s, at least, he was living at 1 Chapman Street, Cessnock. I don't know when Ellen died but she was a widow.
Arthur Hoy (junior) was my Dad's cousin. He emigrated to Australia with his parents just after the Great War. He was confirmed at his local Catholic church (SS Peter and Paul, Tyne Dock) in 1918. He served in the Australian Navy in the Second World War, ending up as a Petty Officer Stoker. He married Sylvia Florence Maud Kliche, who was born in Adelaide in 1906 or 1907, in the R.C. Church of Mary Immaculate in Manly (Sydney) on 25 January 1940. He had lied about his age when he joined the R.A.N.R., taking five years off his age, claiming to have been born in 1915.
Any information relating to Arthur and both his wife and mum would be greatly appreciated. I have a large file outling the family history of his English rellies and some info. relating to his Irish ancestry too - the Carrickmacross area on the Monaghan-Co. Louth border.
Many thanks for taking the time to read this.
JL.
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Hello there JL
this is a link to the National Archives where you can search easily as a guest
there is the record for your Arthur Hoy
also there is a record for Frank Hoy born in 1924 nok is Arthur Hoy this young chap is from Lithgow which is adjacent to Cessnock he may very well be his son
http://www.naa.gov.au/The_Collection/recordsearch.html
have a look
regards jenn
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hello
I have check the south index for the birth of Kliche Sylvia Florence Maud but the index I have only goes to 1906 so couldnt help there only to say she must have been born after 1906
regards jenn
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Does anyone know anything about ARTHUR HOY's family in NSW?
He was born Arthur Joseph Hoy in Tyne Dock, SOUTH SHIELDS. Co. Durham on 26 March 1910 (40 Frost Street). He was the only child of Arthur Hoy (born in South Shields on 8 February 1887; died at the District Hospital in Cessnock, NSW, on 8 April 1955 (aged 68)) and Ellen Ditchburn. He was a miner who, I believe, worked in the Kurri Kurri mines. From the 1930s, at least, he was living at 1 Chapman Street, Cessnock. I don't know when Ellen died but she was a widow.
Arthur Hoy (junior) was my Dad's cousin. He emigrated to Australia with his parents just after the Great War. He was confirmed at his local Catholic church (SS Peter and Paul, Tyne Dock) in 1918. He served in the Australian Navy in the Second World War, ending up as a Petty Officer Stoker. He married Sylvia Florence Maud Kliche, who was born in Adelaide in 1906 or 1907, in the R.C. Church of Mary Immaculate in Manly (Sydney) on 25 January 1940. He had lied about his age when he joined the R.A.N.R., taking five years off his age, claiming to have been born in 1915.
Any information relating to Arthur and both his wife and mum would be greatly appreciated. I have a large file outling the family history of his English rellies and some info. relating to his Irish ancestry too - the Carrickmacross area on the Monaghan-Co. Louth border.
Many thanks for taking the time to read this.
JL.
Hi JL,
Arthur J Hoy and Ellen Dunn children:
Married at Walcha in 1911 Reg: 3229[/b]
1. Ellen I Born:1911 at Walcha, Reg: 46565.
2. Jean A Born: 1913 at Walcha. Reg: 17902.
3. Wilfred Thomas John Born: 1914 at Walcha. Reg: 52393.
married Doris Florence Hahn at Armidale. in 1938 Reg: 4927.
4. David H Born: 1915 at Walcha. Reg: 50185.
married Eileen Ethel Jamieson at Walcha in 1939. Reg: 15113.
5. Victor Stanley Born: 1917 at Walcha. Reg: 19217.
married Aileen Joyce Steep at Walcha in 1942 reg: 17897.
6. Eva Jennie Born: 1918 at Walcha. Reg: 45323.
Married John Johansson at Armidale in 1940 reg: 4252.[/b]
Death's:
There is a Arthur J Hoy died in 1963 at Walcha informment: John and Alice A Hoy.
Ellen Hoy died 1956 in Walcha reg: 14789. Imforments: Thomas and Ellen Dunn.
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Hope this helps you J L .
OzyBob.
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Hi JL,
The references to the Hoys at Walcha are unfortunately not yours.
All the Hoys in Walcha are descended from John Hoy and Sarah Haggar who emmigrated from Elmdon, Essex with their sons Arthur and Alfred in 1854. On arrival in Walcha, NSW they had more children - Amos, John (married Alice Ann Reading), Harriet, Mary Ann and Ellen.
Arthur John Hoy who married Ellen Dunn is a son of John Hoy and Alice Ann Reading.
I know all this as I am a 3xgreat granddaughter of John Hoy and Sarah Haggar from their son Arthur.
Debbie
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Very many thanks Jenn, OzyBob and Debbie,
I appreciate all of your efforts to support/guide my quest to discover my rellies in Oz. I already had Arthur Hoy's R.A.N.R. record from WW2, Jenn, but thanks for bringing this particular website to my attention anyway. I don't believe Frank Hoy is related because on Arthur Hoy Senior's death certificate it specifically states that he had only the one son/child. Thanks also for the info. on the Essex/Walcha Hoys. I saw their names on the NSW website that you can order certificates from and had wondered about their origin but between you, OzyBob and Debbie, you've now answered that for me. Every little bit helps ... even if it isn't always the 'bit' YOU are after.
Regards.
Peter.
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Hi JL,
The references to the Hoys at Walcha are unfortunately not yours.
All the Hoys in Walcha are descended from John Hoy and Sarah Haggar who emmigrated from Elmdon, Essex with their sons Arthur and Alfred in 1854. On arrival in Walcha, NSW they had more children - Amos, John (married Alice Ann Reading), Harriet, Mary Ann and Ellen.
Arthur John Hoy who married Ellen Dunn is a son of John Hoy and Alice Ann Reading.
I know all this as I am a 3xgreat granddaughter of John Hoy and Sarah Haggar from their son Arthur.
Debbie
These Hoys are my relatives - Email address removed to prevent spam or other possible abuse. Please communicate via PM.
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You may already have these which are some HOYs on the electoral roll mostly in Cessnock. Occupations are the same in each listing.
1930 Arthur HOY, miner and Nellie, home duties, Carl St Muswellbrook,
1933 Arthur HOY Junior, miner, 4 Vernon St Cessnock
1936 Arthur, Arthur Jnr and Nellie 106 Allandale St, Cessnock
1937 Arthur Jnr at Allandale St, Arthur and Nellie at 1 Chapman St Cessnock (perhaps A jnr had not changed his enrolment details)
1943 Arthur, Arthur Jnr and Nellie at 1 Chapman St Cessnock (once again - looks as though A jnr hasn't changed his details as Sylvia is listed in Nth Sydney)
1943 Sylvia Florence Maud HOY, home duties, 85 West St, Crows Nest (subdivision North Sydney)
1949 Arthur and Nellie at Chapman St
Arthur Jnr and Sylvia Florence Maud HOY, home duties, 81 Congewai St, Cessnock
1953 Nellie and Arthur at 3 Chapman St (it deifinitely had No 1 on earlier records)
I can't see Arthur Jnr or Sylvia on 1953 roll.
Judith
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There is this death notice on the Ryerson Index - Port Fairy is a long way from Cessnock, but perhaps.......
HOY Ellen Mary (Nell), d 3 Dec 2004 at Moyneyana House, Port Fairy, Victoria. Death Notice in Herald Sun (Melbourne) 10 Dec 2004
Ryerson offer a look-up service.
http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
The only death for an Ellen HOY that I can see on NSW BMDs up to 1979 is the one in Walcha so apparently not your family. There is another one - seeing as she uses "Nellie" on electoral rolls - unfortuantely dsoesn't give a district. Perhaps you know her parents' name/s?
1979 HOY Hilda Nellie, father: Allen; mother Eliza. Reg no 102436
Judith
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There is this death notice on the Ryerson Index - Port Fairy is a long way from Cessnock, but perhaps.......
HOY Ellen Mary (Nell), d 3 Dec 2004 at Moyneyana House, Port Fairy, Victoria. Death Notice in Herald Sun (Melbourne) 10 Dec 2004
Ryerson offer a look-up service.
http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
Judith
http://tributes.heraldsun.com.au/HeraldSun-AU/Obituaries.asp?Page=ArchiveSearch
From what I can see of this notice
Husband is Augustine (Gus) and son Neville.
Raylen
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Ah well, not her, then!
Judith
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Arthur Joseph Hoy, born in South Sheilds was my grand father. He did marry Sylvia Florence Maud Kliche and move to West Lakes South Australia from Sydney NSW. He worked on the Yelta TS, a steam Tug in Port Adelaide for many years as a stoker. He died on 21 Febuary 1986. He was survived by his wife Sylvia (died 26/6/1995) and two children, Barbara and David and 4 Grand children, Michael and Caroline, Yvette and Craig. He is buried in the Cheltenham Cemetery. If you need any addition info please ask.
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Hello Agooly
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Dawn M
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Hello Agooly,
Welcome from Jarrow - the town immediately to the west of South Shields on the south bank of the River Tyne (the County Durham side).
As you can imagine I was pleasantly surprised and, indeed, delighted - almost five years after my initial post re. Arthur Hoy - to read your recent reply. It was lovely to hear at last from my Hoy relatives in Australia; I had effectively given up on ever receiving a positive response and thought I would never find out what happened to Arthur Hoy.
My Dad, Anthony Hoy (born in the Tyne Dock area of South Shields on 14 July 1930), is your grandad's yougest cousin. He was the youngest of either twenty-one or twenty-two cousins and, sadly, is the only one still alive. His only remaining cousin, Michael Hoy, died in South Shields' General Hospital on 25 October 2010, aged 80. Just to give you an example of the age gap between all these cousins, his eldest cousin, Matthew, was born in 1902 and had already married and started his own family by the time my Dad was born!
Arthur Hoy left England for Hobart, Tasmania, on his own on 13 March 1913. He travelled aboard the steamship Ruapehu and is listed as a miner under the name of A. Hoey (ironically the original spelling of the family surname when they lived in the Monaghan-Co. Louth area of Ireland). His wife, Ellen (nee Ditchburn), and only son, Arthur Joseph, followed him shortly afterwards, leaving England on 19 December 1913 aboard the steamship Otway bound for Melbourne. Michael Hoy, who I knew well, told me that it was his dad - Frederick William Hoy - who had given Arthur (known as Arty) the money for the fare
I have no evidence that Arthur ever returned to England but Ellen and Arthur Joseph arrived back in London on 3 June 1923 aboard the Largs Bay. I don't know when Ellen returned to Australia but do know that young Arthur (then only fifteen and already working as a miner) returned aboard SS Balranald, sailing on 9 July 1925, his destination being Sydney. He had been living with his maternal grandparents, the Ditchburns, for this two-year period at 30 Lord Nelson Street, Tyne Dock. Sadly, this street, like the street in which he was born (Frost Street), no longer survives, having been replaced by modern housing about forty years ago.
What confused me for years was the fact that accompanying his April 1910 baptismal entry at Saints Peter and Paul R.C. Church in Tyne Dock, was the additional later stamped entry: '1918 CONFIRMED'. This suggested that he was confirmed when he was about eight in his local R.C. church, the church his parents had married in on 5 October 1909 (the best-man/first witness being Arty's younger brother, James - killed at Gallipoli on 13 July 1915, aged 25). It was only at the beginning of 2010 that the penny dropped: the parish priest in 1918 had simply stamped EVERY entry in the parish register for baptisms in exactly the same manner, not caring whether this was true or not! For years I believed that Arthur's family could only have emigrated AFTER the Great War because his son had been confirmed in SS. Peter and Paul in 1918. You can imagine my relief when I at last worked out the truth of what had really happened. So much for the veracity of Roman Catholic priests! If this false stamp had not been in the baptismal register I could have worked out the truth of the matter years ago.
The earliest reference I have for the Hoys in Australia is a 1936 reference to their living in Allendale Road, Cessnock, New South Wales. Michael told me that his Uncle Arthur had gone to work in the Kurri Kurri mines of the South Maitland Coalfield.
Arthur Hoy died of stomach cancer on 8 April 1955, aged 68, at Cessnock District Hospital. His address was given as 1 Chapman Street, Cessnock. The informant was R. Steele of 17 Subiaco Avenue, Cessnock (presumably a close friend). He was buried on 12 April 1955 in the R.C. cemetery of Cessnock.
Arthur was the longest-lived child of Matthew and Ann Hoy (nee Martin). He was their third child/son and the first to be born in South Shields - at 130 Maxwell Street on 8 February 1887. Matthew and Ann had ten children in total, nine being boys. Six of these boys grew to manhood: Matthew and Patrick (both born in Sunderland, Co. Durham), Arthur, James (Jim), Frederick William (Fred) and Thomas (all born in South Shields, the latter being my grandfather). The other four all died as infants. I have a good photograph of Matthew and Ann Hoy, a photo of Matthew and his youngest son Thomas (taken late in his life - he lived to be 84) and the following photos of Arty's brothers: Matthew and his wife, with him wearing his Border Regiment Great War uniform; James in his uniform of the Nelson Battalion, Royal Naval Division; Frederick in his West Yorkshire Regiment uniform; and a few photos of my grandfather, Thomas. I will try to send copies of these these to you when I (hopefully) receive your e-mail address.
Do you have any photos of Arthur and Ellen Hoy or of your grandfather Arthur? Do you know where and when your great grandmother Ellen died? Do you have any stories you could pass on relating to any of the above?
That's all for now, Agooly (Michael, Caroline, Yvette or Craig?). Speak to you very soon to pass on A LOT more info. I hope this message reaches you and that you're glad to hear from a reasonably close relly still living on Tyneside.
Regards.
Peter Hoy.
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My mother, Barbara - eldest child of Arthur and Sylvia, has all the information you require. We would be happy to share with you. I will get her to send you some additional information as soon as we can confirm your email. regards Michael Brokus - Agoolie
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I checked with the Cessnock cemetery today and Arthur Hoy is buried alone but with the adjacent plot brought .
I wonder if Ellen may have gone to SA with Arthur Jnr.
Jenn
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Hello Michael.
Very many thanks for getting back in touch so promptly. It was great to hear from you.
I don't remember how one goes about passing on one's own personal e-mail address on Rootschat; it's many years since I last did so, so I'm hoping someone out there can remind me what one needs to do so that I will then be able to contact your mum, Barbara, directly.
I have one super story to tell you about your grandfather during his time as a stoker in the RANR. He was aboard a ship (presumably a troopship) somewhere in European waters in the Second World War when a tannoy announcement was made for Arthur Hoy to go to a particular place to meet a particular person. When he arrived there was someone already there who had similarly responded to the same tannoy announcement - ANOTHER Arthur Hoy! This man was a gunner in the Royal Artillery and was Arthur's cousin, Arthur, the only son of his Uncle Patrick - who had moved south to Slough in Buckinghamshire about 1936 to look for work following the early death of his second wife (both called Elizabeth and both dying from TB). What larks, eh! A chance in a million meeting. You couldn't make it up. My Dad's cousin, Michael Hoy, told me that he knew for a fact that Arthur had definitely taken advantage of his being based in Europe to visit his granddad and two remaining uncles (Fred and Thomas) in Tyne Dock during the war. Michael remembered his visit.
Between July 2010 and February 2011 I wrote a c. 400-page book entitled 'A Hoy There' (unpublished) based upon the Great War experiences and activities of the four brothers who all served as Kitchener Volunteers. I could send you a copy of this if you might be interested in reading it. Arthur was the lucky one: he got out of England just in time to escape the carnage. Similarly, my grandfather (Thomas) was able to avoid conscription because he was a miner, a reserved occupation, and he had clearly learnt from his elder brothers that it was a really bad idea to volunteer to serve.
One final point of interest for you for now. Arthur's younger brother, Frederick William (Michael Hoy's dad), took part in the rightly celebrated Christmas Truce of 1914 and also survived 2nd Battalion West Yorkshire Regiment's attack up Mash Valley (between the villages of Ovillers and La Boisselle) on 1 July 1916, becoming isolated from all his mates as a Lewis-gunner and spending virtually the entire day pinned down in No Man's Land on the first day of the Battle of the Somme. Over 140 men in his battalion were killed in action on just that single morning. so Fred was lucky to survive relatively unscathed, living to the age of 65 and dying in South Shields on 13 November 1957.
One correction: Arthur's mother's maiden name was DONNELLY - NOT Martin.
Ellen Ditchburn's father was Thomas Ditchburn, a miner who lived at 46 Napier Street, South Shields on 5 October 1909.
Regards.
Peter.
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Hello Jenn,
Very many thanks for passing on details about Arthur Hoy's being buried on his own at Cessnock. Obviously there's no way I could access such information from here in Jarrow in north-east England so I very much appreciate your help. The whole point of RootsChat is that we can all help each other out if WE know what someone is looking for. I've done the same for other people in the past so I am thankful for your showing an interest and for helping me out - and indeed the rest of the family now living in South Australia.
I agree that it seems likely that his widow, Nellie/Ellen, probably moved to South Australia to be nearer her only child, Arthur Joseph, after being widowed in April 1955. Hopefully her granddaughter, Barbara, will be able to tell me if and when we can learn each other's e-mail addresses.
Do you by any chance know whether Arthur's grave is marked by a headstone? If it is he will be the only one of the six brothers to have one. Four lie in unmarked graves while James is commemorated along with his mates of the Royal Naval Division on the Helles Memorial at Gallipoli - and it's unlikely I'll ever get to visit there to pay my respects in person, sadly.
Appreciative regards,
Peter.
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Hello again Michael,
Some further preliminary basic genealogical info. re. the Hoy family to get you up and running.
Arthur's five brothers who lived beyond infancy were:
1. Matthew: B. 1 November 1882 at 54 Northumberland Street, Sunderland. Co. Durham. Christened/baptised: 19 March 1883 at St. Leonard's R.C. Church, Sunderland. [He was born illegitimately.] Married: 2 January 1902 at St. Bede's R.C. Church in South Shields - Mary Johnson Wright. Died: 27 March 1929, aged 46. [Of pneumonia at 218 John Williamson Street, South Shields.] (Mary died on 2 May 1937, aged 54).
2. Patrick: B. 28 June 1884 at 49 Brougham St., Sunderland. C. in St. Mary's R.C. in Sunderland. M (1): 30 April 1910 at St. Bede's R.S. in SS (Elizabeth Thomas: she died aged 32 and was buried in SS. on 21 June 1924). M (2): 3 October 1925 (St. Bede's R.C.) - Elizabeth McPadden, died 12 February 1933, aged 31, in SS). D. 7 December 1946 in Slough (then Berkshire), aged 63.
3. James: B. 6 July 1890 (SS). C. at home that same day and later C. in St. Bede's R.C. on 22 July 1890. Unmarried. D. 13 July 1915, aged 25. Killed in Action at Gallipoli, Turkey, in the Action of Achi Baba Nullah.
4. Frederick William: B. 2 January 1892 (SS). C. 16 January 1892 (St. Bede's). M. 15 April 1918 (Ellen Baines), St. Bede's R.C., SS. D. 13 November 1957. aged 65, in SS.
5. Thomas: B. 9 June 1897 at 18 South Frederick Street, SS. M. 14 June 1928 - Catherine Ann Millan, B. in SS. on 29 April 1900. D. 6 August 1960, aged 63, in Elswick, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne. Catherine Hoy, my Nana, died on 14 September 1983, aged 83. They had separated when my Dad was about three and a half or four in 1933-4.
Michael. there's masses more I could tell you but I suspect that that's probably more than enough for now. I have all the info. typed out in the form of extended family trees which I should be able to send Barbara and yourself in the form of attachments once we learn each other's e-mail addresses.
Just to tell you that I have now been able to make contact with descendants of all four of my Hoy great uncles who got married and had their own families. I'm pleased with and proud of that fact. I have been able to follow all the Hoeys/Hoys back to the 1851 Census and know that your grandad had ancestors from Co. Louth. the townland of Leons Beg near Carrickmacross in Co. Monaghan, and the small town of Mohill in Co. Leitrim. You'll be given all this extra info. in time, hopefully.
Regards.
Peter.
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I am allways happy to help where and when I can, because I have had so much help from the good folk on rootschat here and in England. I have received a lot of help from the Durham/Yorkshire area as my gggf John Hair came from the area as did one of my other ggm Ellen Brownless.
Now I never thought to ask if there was a headstone in place and that is something I usually do, very remiss of me. I shall do so on Monday. One of my brothers is actually down that way house sitting and I am sure I can ask him to go and take a photo if he is up to it,
Perhaps your further contact with Agooly will tell you about that
To contact Agooly privately just just click on the little green icon to the left of thescreen and send a pm. Agooly can't do this until he has three posts
I have enjoyed reading your family details as it is very well written and to the point.
Jenn
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Hi everyone. I’m very new to family history searching so I’m not really sure what I’m doing here. Hopefully someone sees this.
I’m researching my partners family tree. Her name is Quana Sylvia Brown. Her mother Lyndall, brother David and sister Andrea. Her grandmother Catherine and brother unknown. Last names all Hoy’s. German background.
Now I’ve been told that my partner gets her middle name from her great granny called Sylvia.
On this post, I’ve seen Sylvia Florence Maude Kliche and Arthur Hoy been mentioned. I’ve seen a gravesite for these people buried at Cheltenham Cemetery, Sylvia passes away in 1995 and Arthur in 1986.
I’m just very confused when somebody has answered this post saying they are children and grandchildren of Sylvia Kliche and Arthur Hoy.
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Welcome to Rootschat, Jessica.
On this post, I’ve seen Sylvia Florence Maude Kliche and Arthur Hoy been mentioned.
I’m a tad confused buy your post.
Are you saying that those you are researching are of the folk above?
Could you list the names of the folk in your line, births, deaths and marriages, working backwards in time?
Please note that names of the living cannot be posted on Rootschat, so you may have to edit your first post.
I assume Cheltenham Cemetery is in VIC. I see not death for an Arthur Hoy on VICBDM.
Arthur Joseph Hoy, born in South Sheilds was my grand father. He did marry Sylvia Florence Maud Kliche and move to West Lakes South Australia from Sydney NSW. He worked on the Yelta TS, a steam Tug in Port Adelaide for many years as a stoker. He died on 21 Febuary 1986. He was survived by his wife Sylvia (died 26/6/1995) and two children, Barbara and David and 4 Grand children, Michael and Caroline, Yvette and Craig. He is buried in the Cheltenham Cemetery. If you need any addition info please ask.
Hopefully, they will get notification of your enquiry and reply.
I do not see a death registration for Arthur’s death in 1986. :-\
Jamjar
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Sorry, duplicated information. :)
There is this death notice on the Ryerson Index - Port Fairy is a long way from Cessnock, but perhaps.......
HOY Ellen Mary (Nell), d 3 Dec 2004 at Moyneyana House, Port Fairy, Victoria. Death Notice in Herald Sun (Melbourne) 10 Dec 2004
Ryerson offer a look-up service.
http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
The only death for an Ellen HOY that I can see on NSW BMDs up to 1979 is the one in Walcha so apparently not your family. There is another one - seeing as she uses "Nellie" on electoral rolls - unfortuantely dsoesn't give a district. Perhaps you know her parents' name/s?
1979 HOY Hilda Nellie, father: Allen; mother Eliza. Reg no 102436
Judith
This Ellen husband was Augustine:
HOY. - Ellen Mary (Nell), on Dec. 3, 2004 at Moyneyana House, Port Fairy. Beloved wife of the late Augustine (Gus), loved mother of Neville, Nola, Carmel and Marcia. Grandmother of nine and great grandmother of 13. Rest in Peace
Obituaries
Published in Herald Sun on 10/12/2004
Jamjar
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I have checked the online index and there isn’t a birth for Sylvia Kliche.
https://www.genealogysa.org.au/index.php?option=com_search&Itemid=32
There is an engagement notice though, 4th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article92418644
The father I believe is Christian Gotthilf KLICHE who was married 1903 - in Adelaide - to Florence Elizabeth JORDAN.
He married Sylvia Florence Maud Kliche, who was born in Adelaide in 1906 or 1907, in the R.C. Church of Mary Immaculate in Manly (Sydney) on 25 January 1940
7042/1940 HOY Arthur to KLICHE Sylvia Florence Maud MANLY
The marriage cert should provide parents’ names.
Jamjar
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Births in South Australia
KLICHE Sylvia Florence Maude
28 Dec 1906
Father Christian Gotthilf KLICHE Mother Florence Elizabeth JORDAN
At Walkerville Ade 776/432
KLICHE Merle Margaret
13 Sep 1910
Father Christian Gotthilf KLICHE Mother Florence Elizabeth JORDAN
At Payneham Nor 850/496
Marriage of parents
KLICHE Christian Gotthilf 33 years Status Widower Father Christian Gotthilf KLICHE
JORDAN Florence Elizabeth 19 years Status Single Father John Stephen JORDAN
9 Sep 1903
At the Registry Office [Adelaide] Ade 216/951
The HOY's are interred at the Cheltenham Cemetery, Cheltenham SA
http://www.aca.sa.gov.au/Records
Arthur's and Sylvia's headstone
https://billiongraves.com/grave/ARTHUR-JOSEPH-HOY/12420115
Their children are named on the headstone.
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Death in SA
HOY Ellen 77 years Status Widow Relative Arthur Joseph HOY [Deceased Husband]
6 Aug 1967
Residence Semaphore Park Death Place Woodville Hin H 33A/5371
Symbol H indicates she died in a hospital or place of care.
Ellen's headstone at Cheltenham Cemetery SA
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Ellen-Hoy/4628204
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Last names all Hoy’s. German background.
jessica.bickley94
Not quite correct. Arthur Joseph HOY and his son were born in England. Ellen HOY is buried in the Cheltenham cemetery. See my last post.
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Births Mar 1887
HOY Arthur S. Shields 10a/704
Births Jun qtr 1910
HOY Arthur Joseph S. Shields 10a/ 891
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I’m researching my partners family tree. Her name is Quana Sylvia Brown. Her mother Lyndall, brother David and sister Andrea. Her grandmother Catherine and brother unknown. Last names all Hoy’s. German background.
Now I’ve been told that my partner gets her middle name from her great granny called Sylvia.
Check the names of the children on Arthur and Sylvia's headstone.
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An obituary but called a biography of Sylvia's grandfather who died in 1906 which mentions his father who was born in Silesia, Germanya and emigrated to South Australia in 1841.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article108375966
Details of his death
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article163064661
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In Memoriam for Sylvia’s father, 3rd column.
It is highly likely that the two children of Sylvia, are still living.
Jamjar
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Marriage of Sylvia’s sister:
1937 383/4578 WHILLANS Robert Glendinning to KLICHE Merle Margaret
Her husband’s death:
1958 883/7016 WHILLANS Robert Glendinning undefined Norwood
From Find A Grave:
Robert Glendinning Whillans
BIRTH 1901
DEATH: 9-11-1958
BURIAL: PLOT East Area, Rose Bed C7, Position 32
Centennial Park Cemetery
Pasadena, Mitcham City, South Australia, Australia
Jamjar
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Death: 1960 905/2327 KLICHE Florence Elizabeth undefined Adelaide
Not showing on the cemetery search.
Jamjar
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Looks like Sylvia had a brother Jack (possibly John, Johan):
Page 17, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article93127826
Jamjar
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Looks like Sylvia had a brother Jack (possibly John, Johan):
Page 17, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article93127826
Jamjar
Possibly from her father's first marriage.
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Looks like Sylvia had a brother Jack (possibly John, Johan):
Page 17, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article93127826
Jamjar
Possibly from her father's first marriage.
I can’t see a first marriage, or Jack. There is this though, with correct father, or father is Sylvia’s grandfather, from a fling. ;) 1892 Gotthilef Hugh father Christian Gotthilef KLICHE mother Louise GARRAT
I also can’t see birth of Christian Jnr (Sylvia’s father) who, if is the one who died in 1946, would have been born 1870: Dudley Park KLICHE Christian Gotthilf 76y 1946
Sylvia’s grandfather’s second wife re-married in 1910 MULLER.
Children to 1st, Johanna STILLER, died 1880: 1871 Auguste Bertha, married 1888 KEIL, died 1963; 1873 Caroline Lydia died 1873; 1875 Emma Louise is at at Siegersdorf Lutheran Cemetery; Cornelia Maria married 1897 LINDNER, died 1976.
Children to 2nd, Maria NITSCHKE: 1895 Carl Bernhard; 1889 Rudolf Theodor, died 1944; 1894 Oswald Herbert married 1917, died 1974; 1896 Gotthard Walter married 1921 died 1975.
Carl Bernhard attacked step-father with an axe, 6th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article154933678
4th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article163150709
Martha divorce and death/funeral notices:
1st and 4th columns: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article73993300
Rudolf Theodor death notice, 2nd last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article166390508
Death notice: Advertiser KLICHE Herbert Oswald 1974
Death notice: Advertiser KLICHE Gotthard Walter 1975
Death notice: Advertiser LINDNER Maria Cornelia 1976
Is this Emma Louise?: https://billiongraves.com/grave/Emma-Louise-Kliche-Falkenberg/12190760
Marriage: 1892 172/403 FALKENBERG Berthold to KLICHE Louise Angaston
Death of Maria Lindner’s husband, page 45, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article93939693
Bethany New Lutheran Cemetery LINDNER Johannes Bernhardt 1953
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Maria-Cornelia-Kliche-Lindner/10894378
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.... can’t see birth of Christian Jnr (Sylvia’s father) who, if is the one who died in 1946, would have been born 1870: Dudley Park KLICHE Christian Gotthilf 76y 1946
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Christian Gotthelf KLICKE (sic)
b. 10 Mar 1870
Parents: Christian Gotthelf KLICKE & Johanne Ernestine STILLER of Krondorf (nr Tanunda)
Ang 83/150
Some confusing marriages???
South Australian Marriages
Groom: Christian Gotthilf KLICHE age 22 Father: Gottfried KLICHE
Bride: Johanne Ernestine STILLER age 22 Father: Johann Samuel STILLER
Date: 22 Oct 1868
Place: Lutheran Church Langmeil
District: Ang / 77/148
Groom: Christian Gotthilf KLICHE age 35 Widow Father: Gottfried KLICHE
Bride: Maria Martha NITSCHKE age 20 Carl Friedrich NITSCHKE
Date: 15 Feb 1882
Place: Ev Luth Trinity Church Rowland Flat
District: Bar / 130/642
This man born 1870
Groom: Christian Gotthilf KLICHE age 33 Widow Christian Gotthilf KLICHE
Bride: Florence Elizabeth JORDAN age 19 Father: John Stephen JORDAN
Date: 9 Sep 1903
Place: Registry Office [Adelaide]
District: Ade / 216/951
Rhonda
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Thank you, Rhonda.
That lead to others. Have added Augusta into my previous list:
1871 KLICKE Auguste Bertha parent’s Christian Gotthelf KLICKE and Johanne Ernestine STILLER Angaston 99/434
Marriage: 1888 156/370 KEIL Hermann to KLICHE Bertha Angaston
Death: 1963 955/2534 KEIL Auguste Bertha Carl Hermann KEIL [DH] Angaston
Burial: Krondorf Lutheran KEIL Auguste Bertha 92y 1964 and Krondorf Lutheran KEIL Carl Hermann 79y 1943
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Auguste-Bertha-Keil/11129199
Their son: https://billiongraves.com/grave/Bernhard-Hugo-Keil/11128540
Death 1900 272/458 KLICKE Marie Louise Christian Gottholf KLICKE (H) Norwood
West Terrace Cemetery: Section P3 Row 3 Site 100 Marie L KLICKE aged 46 18-10-1900
Don’t know if this is connected to the family:
Marriage: 1855 22/600 FELLENBERG Karl Gottlieb to KLICKE Johanne Auguste Adelaide
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South Australian Marriages
Groom: Christian Gotthilf KLICHE age 22 Father: Gottfried KLICHE
Bride: Johanne Ernestine STILLER age 22 Father: Johann Samuel STILLER
Date: 22 Oct 1868
Place: Lutheran Church Langmeil
District: Ang / 77/148
Groom: Christian Gotthilf KLICHE age 35 Widow Father: Gottfried KLICHE
Bride: Maria Martha NITSCHKE age 20 Carl Friedrich NITSCHKE
Date: 15 Feb 1882
Place: Ev Luth Trinity Church Rowland Flat
District: Bar / 130/642
Rhonda, these are the same chap, two marriages. His obit says he has 8 living children, I think it was.
The other one you have listed is son of the above, whose birth you located.
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Rhonda can you find a marriage between these two, possibly Marie Louise, or combinations:
Christian Gotthilef KLICHE and Louise GARRAT
The son born 1892.
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According to the Biographical Index SA the child Gotthilef Hugh born 28 Jun 1892 (father Christian Gotthilef KLICHE mother Louise GARRAT) was known as John Hugo (d. 1983). And Louise GARRAT actually named as Marie Louise HENSCHKE nee GERHARD the 1st wife of Christian.
Marie Louise KLICKE d. 17 Oct 1900 at Eastwood aged 46
District Nor: 272/458
Then Florence JORDAN was the 2nd wife. So John Hugo was Sylvia's half brother.
Rhonda
ADDED: I found only the GERHARD/HENSCHKE marriage.
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Thank you, Rhonda.
Where did John Hugo die?
His mother’s birth:
1853 4/147 GERHARD Maria Louise parent’s Frederich Johann Christian GERHARD and Justine Wilhelmine KOLESKE Adelaide
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This man born 1870
Groom: Christian Gotthilf KLICHE age 33 Widow Christian Gotthilf KLICHE
Bride Florence Elizabeth JORDAN age 19 Father John Stephen JORDAN
Date: 9 Sep 1903
Place: Registry Office [Adelaide]
District: Ade / 216/951
Rhonda
I posted this marriage yesterday with Widower as status for the groom hence my comment that Jack was from the first marriage. There were only two births registered to the above couple.
For Jessica :) Hopefully this will make your KLICHE family history clearer.
Biographical Index of South Australians – excellent resource for researching SA pioneers but the information is not always 100% accurate. I usually try and check all facts where possible.
KLICHE J. Gottfried born 22 Dec 1799 Sawade, Silesia, Prussia and died 5 Jan 1896 Krondorf SA
Arrived 1841 on the SKJOLD
Occupation Butcher, Farmer
Lived Bethany, Krondorf, Eudunda, Point Pass
Religion Lutheran
Married Anna Eliz nee PIETSCHKE born 14 Sep1808 Germany died 6 Sep 1900 Krondorf SA
Children
Ja Dorothea HARTWIG c1833-1927,Ja Augte FELLENBERG c1835-1907, Ja Ernestine 1839-1841, twin sons 1841-1841, J. Ernst Gottlieb 1843-1897, Gotthielf Christian 1846-1906
KLICHE Gotthielf Christian
Parents J.Gottfried and Anna Eliz nee PIETSCHKE
Born 19 Apr 1846 Krondorf SA Died 5 Mar 1906 Krondorf SA
Occupation Butcher, Dairy Farmer
Lived Krondorf Religion Lutheran
Married 1/2 22 Oct 1868 Langmeil SA Je Ernestine nee STILLER Parents J. Saml and Je Caroline nee SCHRAPEL
Born 22 Oct 1846 Bethany SA Died 16 May1880 Krondorf SA
Children
Christian Gotthilf 1870-1946
Bertha KEIL 1871-1963
Lydia 1873-1873
Louise FALKENBERG 1875-1911
Cornelia LINDNER 1877-1976
Married 2/2 1882 Martha Maria nee NITSCHKE Born 13 May 1861 and died 15 Mar 1947 Krondorf SA
Children
Carl Bernard 1885-
Rudolph Theodor 1889-1944
Oswald Herbert 1894-1974
Gottham Walter 1896-1975
Oswald Herbt (1894-1974), Gottham Walter
(1896-1975) and son.
KLICHE Christian Gotthilf
Parents Gotthielf Christian and Je Ernestine nee STILLER
Born 10 Mar 1870 Krondorf SA Died 26 Aug 1946 Payneham SA Buried Dudley Pk SA
0ccupation Farmer, Butcher, Greengrocer
Lived Krondorf, Sandy Creek, Walkerville, Payneham
Religion Lutheran
Married 1/2 Mrs Maria Louise *HENSCHKE nee GERHARD Parents Fried J. Christian and Justine
Whma nee GERHARD Born 11 May1853 Lobethal SA
Died Oct1900 Adelaide SA
Children Gotthieef Hugh (John Hugo) KLICKE(1892-1983)
Married 2/2 (Walkerville SA Florence Elks nee JORDAN
Born c1884 Died 29 Apr 1960 Payneham SA
Children Sylvia F.M. HOY 1906-, Merle WHILLANS, GRAY.
*First marriage
HENSCHKE Hermann 24 years Status Single Father Martin HENSCHKE
GERHARD Marie Louise 21 years Status Single Father Friedrich GERHARD
9 Apr 1875
At St Pauls, Lobethal Nai A103/153
The KLICHE entries in BISA are contributed as the usual entries do not have quite so much detail. Remember this information was compiled and published in 1988 so an enormous amount of research the old fashioned way...not internet ;).
You can research the BDM's yourself in South Australia at SA Genealogy who are located on Unley Rd and have online databases and they also hold the district registers. There may be more information at the Lutheran Archives in Adelaide.
http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
https://www.lca.org.au/departments/ministry-support/lutheran-archives/
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Passenger list for the KLICHE family arriving SA in 1841
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/skjold1841.shtml
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Jessica I think you need to read all the posts on this thread including this one....
Arthur Joseph Hoy, born in South Sheilds was my grand father. He did marry Sylvia Florence Maud Kliche and move to West Lakes South Australia from Sydney NSW. He worked on the Yelta TS, a steam Tug in Port Adelaide for many years as a stoker. He died on 21 Febuary 1986. He was survived by his wife Sylvia (died 26/6/1995) and two children, Barbara and David and 4 Grand children, Michael and Caroline, Yvette and Craig. He is buried in the Cheltenham Cemetery. If you need any addition info please ask.
And your friend's information....
I’m researching my partners family tree. Her name is Quana Sylvia Brown. Her mother Lyndall, brother David and sister Andrea. Her grandmother Catherine and brother unknown. Last names all Hoy’s. German background.
Now I’ve been told that my partner gets her middle name from her great granny called Sylvia.
I think you friend's family need more research to make the link to the HOY's who emigrated from England to Sydney and then West Lakes, Adelaide. They were definitely not German. There were other HOY families in South Australia.