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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: Sassie Cat on Thursday 23 November 06 04:06 GMT (UK)
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I'm at a loss. I live in the US and hubby has no clue about his fathers side of the family. This is all that I have. Is there anyone that can help me look up anything on this? . James Charles Christopher1 Moran1,2,3 died Unknown3. He married Matilda Maude Peterson4,5. She died Unknown5.
Children of James Charles Christopher Moran and Matilda Maude Peterson are:
2 i. Christopher Moran
3 ii. Muriel Moran
4 iii. Albert Moran
5 iv. Horace James Moran
6 v. Sidney Theodore Moran
7 vi. Louise Florence Moran
8 vii. Elizabeth Francis Moran
9 viii. Iris Latisha Moran She married Allan O'Brien
10 ix. Colin Frederick Moran
11 x. Desmond Brian Moran
12 xi. David Moran
13 xii. Harold Moran.
+ 14 xiii. Stanley Roy Moran, born 09 Sep 1923 in Glanville, South Australia; died 20 Jul 2003 in Elizabeth, South Australia.
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Hi Sassie Cat,
Welcome to RootsChat ;D
Births - 2 wives
Father James Christopher Charles MORAN Mother Hilda Maud BURNS
James Christopher Charles 1910-09-18 Port Adelaide Dist PtA 850 71
Father James Christopher Charles MORAN Mother Matilda PETERSON
Albert Wilson 16 May 1913 Alberton Dist PtA 910 130
Horrace James 20 Jul 1914 Glanville Dist PtA 940 269
Sydney Theodore Charles 28 dec 1916 Glanville Dist PtA 991 100
Elizabeth Frances 26 Apr 1919 Glanville dist PtA 36A 245
Louise Florence Mary Belbi 30 Jun 1921 Glanville Dist PtA 78A 285
Stanley Roy 9 Sep 1923 Glanville Dist PtA 121A 570
Iris Letitia 23 Apr 1925 Glanville Dist PtA 152A 533
Colin Frederick 17 Mar 1927 Glanville Dist PtA 189A 122
1928 are the lastest available births
Cheers Kris :D
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Marriages
MORAN James Charles Christopher 23 Single Father James = BURNS Hilda Maude 19 Single Father Frederick Charles Burlingham BURNS 23 Jul 1909 Methodist Parsonage Pt Adelaide dist PtA 240 175
MORAN James Christopher Charles 26 Widow Father James = PETERSON Matilda 21 Single Father Charles Albert PETERSON 29 Jul 1912 Reg Office Adelaide Dist Ade 252 252
Cheers Kris :D
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Death of first wife
MORAN Hilda Maude 21 Mar Rel James Christopher Moran Husband 12 Jul 1911 Hospital Adelaide Dist Ade 358 224
Cheers Kris :D
We Have recently had a release of our death indexes from 1916-1972. If nobody else can check I will look for any others next time I am at the Library.
Cheers Kris :D
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WOW Thank you Guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I now have a little more to go on with hubby's side of the family. I appreciate this sooooo much!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
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Looks like this may be the Birth of Muriel from your list. It appears James probably was not the father
PETERSON Muriel Rose Oliver 1 Dec 1910 Yatala Dist PtA 854 367
There is no birth listed for James Christopher Charles Moran or Hilda Maude Burns in this State
PETERSON Matilda 6 Jan 1891 Glanville Dist PtA 471 380. Parents Charles Albert PETERSON and Mary Wilson MATTIN
Kris :D
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On Marriages does it give father for James? Also on the children? does it say who was their mother? Hilda or Matilda?
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ty Kris..I think that James may have came from England? At least that is what I heard. I appreciate this bunches
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Sassie,
You must have missed it .....I Posted the Births under both parents names.
Births - 2 wives
Father James Christopher Charles MORAN Mother Hilda Maud BURNS
James Christopher Charles 1910-09-18 Port Adelaide Dist PtA 850 71
Father James Christopher Charles MORAN Mother Matilda PETERSON
Albert Wilson 16 May 1913 Alberton Dist PtA 910 130
Horrace James 20 Jul 1914 Glanville Dist PtA 940 269
Sydney Theodore Charles 28 dec 1916 Glanville Dist PtA 991 100
Elizabeth Frances 26 Apr 1919 Glanville dist PtA 36A 245
Louise Florence Mary Belbi 30 Jun 1921 Glanville Dist PtA 78A 285
Stanley Roy 9 Sep 1923 Glanville Dist PtA 121A 570
Iris Letitia 23 Apr 1925 Glanville Dist PtA 152A 533
Colin Frederick 17 Mar 1927 Glanville Dist PtA 189A 122
Only one to Hilda the rest to Matilda.
Also with marriages I have listed Father as James for both entries.....Kris :D
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I did miss it..sry bout that. I was reading in a hurry...was too excited.
On James? in census records? was that the earliest record of him? and when you put this
"MORAN James Charles Christopher 23 Single Father James " is single father referring to James Charles Christopher Moran or is that is father? sorry if I sound confusing.
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at the time of his first marriage
James Charles Christopher MORAN was single, he was aged 23, his father was listed as James. His wife was Hilda Maude BURNS she was Single, she was aged 19 her father was listed as Frederick Charles Burlingham BURNS
at the time of his second marriage
James Charles Christopher MORAN was widowed, he was aged 26, his father was listed as James. His wife was Matilda PETERSON. She was Single, she was aged 21 her Father was listed as Charles Albert PETERSON
Sorry we do not have any Census Records
From this era the death certs will contain a lot of information...Check here for what our Certificates contain
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,158660.0.html
Of interest there is a birth listed to Frederick Burlingham BURNS and Mary Ann JOSE.
Edgar Frederick BURNS born 11 Apr 1903 Port Adelaide Dist PtA 709 472
Cheers Kris :D
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Ty Kris,
I wasnt sure how things were actually documented in Australia. And I appreciate any info on the family lines, siblings and so forth.
Question. Do you have access to obituaries with in the past 20 years? or is that asking to much?
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Hi There Sass,
Just chipping in here to note that some of James Christopher's sons enlisted to fight for Australia in the 2nd W. War
You can see their basic details on the sites below and further info may be available on application.
We can advise if you need.
These boys were all born at Ethelton. SA
Horace James 20/6/1914 enlisted 1941. Next of kin Joyce Butler. Army
Sydney Theodore 29/12/1915. Nok. G. Moran
Colin Frederick17/3/1927 /next of kin Iris. Navy
http://naa.gov.au
http://ww2roll.gov.au
Sue
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TY Sue!!
you and Kris have been a great help.
The dates that you give vary a little from what kris gave, but are in the same time frame, same month and year. I appreciate your help
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PS
Left out James Christopher Charles jnr.
His NOK listed as Beatrice Moran.
S
You're welcome
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PS
Left out James Christopher Charles jnr.
His NOK listed as Beatrice Moran.
S
You're welcome
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There is a James Charles Christopher Moran listed as buried at Centennial Park. (Father or Son ?) It does not list the date and says he was of Broken Hill which is just over the border into NSW. I will look for a death for him when I am at the library. As I said we have just had a release of deaths up to 1972. If you are looking for later than that you will have to hope to find the burials. Have a look about the SA Links....
Here is the one for Centennial Park Cemetery
http://www.centennialpark.org/rel_search.asp
The SAGHS is well worth a look at what they have. I can see Stanley and some of your others are listed. They can help with burials and newspaper Obits but there is a small charge.
http://www.saghs.org.au/graves.htm
Sorry I don't have time to keep hunting at the moment. I have to go out but have a look about and see who you can spot. I have seen a lot of yours listed in a quick look at these two sites.
Have Fun.........Kris :D
Lots of other SA Links here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,158128.0.html
This is just from a very quick look about. I am sure there will be much more to be found. I see Sue is on the Hunt. She may be able to find some more goodies for you.
Hi Sue.....Carry On. I really have to Rush, be back later ;D
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ty Kris.
I did find the one site this evening and found Stanley and a few others. That is the first info I have found on my own. Thank you for what you have done.
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I'm back Sassie Cat. Thought I would try for any marriages. Cut off point on marriages in 1937. Only three have married by then. I notice Muruiel is now a Moran. Cut off point for births is 1928 so none available for these marriages. I will try to pop in to the library tomorrow and see what deaths I can spot up to the cut off point of 1972.
MORAN James Christopher Charles 21 Single Father James Christopher Charles MORAN = EDEN Bernice Constance 21 Single Father Alfred Thomas EDEN 3 Oct 1931 Methodist Church Royal Park Dist Hin 329 22
BURNS Edward William 22 Single Father Edward William BURNS = MORAN Elizabeth Frances 16 Single father James Christopher Charles MORAN 3 Jul 1935 Reg Office Port Adelaide Dist PtA 358 2349
BRENNAN John James 30 Single Father William BRENNAN = MORAN Muriel 26 Single Father James C Moran 6 Apr 1937 Reg Office Port Adelaide Dist PtA 376 1439
Cheers Kris ;)
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Deaths up to 1972
MORAN James Christopher Charles 60 Mar of Ethelton died 5 May 1941 Hospital Adelaide Dist Ade 635 1847
MORAN Matilda 54 Widow of Ethelton died 16 Feb 1945 Hospital Adelaide Dist Ade 685 745 Relative James Christopher Charles MORAN - deceased husband.
MORAN Horrace James 54 Mar of Klemsig died 6 Jul 1969 Port Adelaide Dist Hin 71A 5000 Rel Joyce MORAN - wife
Cheers Kris :D
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Kris,
Thank you. Just got home from the folks for thanksgiving (and birthday) and found the new post. I appreciate your help so much (so does hubby).
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For James Moran, Father of James Christopher Charles Moran Sr. Is there anyway to find out more on him? his age? place/country of birth etc? a wife?. .... You said you dont have census? Was there another system in place to keep track of households?
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At this stage we do not even know that James was ever in SA. All we know is that James Christopher Charles listed his father as James at the time of both marriages. There were James Moran's in SA but can't tell if they connect. There is one having children at the right time but as he has a son James Andrew in 1886 I doubt that is him. Another had a James in 1894 so another unlikely. No. 3 had a daughter in 1887 so possible if they arrived with young James. The other thing of course is perhaps your James Christopher Charles Moran came as an adult.
James Christopher Charles Moran died in 1941 therefore his death certificate will list his place of birth and his length of time in the Commonwealth. That should help you find his arrival, although for the period I suspect we will be looking at, I doubt it will be online. You should see if there is by chance an entry in the BISA also. Not everyone is listed of course. Although on par with IGI submitted entries, it can often head you in the right direction. I don't have it sorry......Kris :D
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Checking the BISA but not having any luck with the Moran, Burns or Petersen names.
MATTIN: William arrived by 1857 occ: Labourer residing Meadows rel:C/E
married Martha. Child: Mary Wilson c.1857-
Also checked for Brennan and Eden without luck.
Sorry I couldn't help more - Sashar
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ty for your help. I have no idea what BISA is, but appreciate you checking that for me. I've been checking what resources I can from here but not seeing much available free online. ty again
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In the 1903 Post office Directory there is:-
MORAN James, Engine Driver of Langham Place, Portland. This is in the Pt Adelaide area.
Nothing else to make a definate connection with your James MORAN.
Regards, Sashar
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Trying to find out info on Desmond Brian Moran, married Daphne? These two may still be living not sure. If anyone can help. I appreciate it. From what I know, he was born in SA
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Birth records are only available in South Australia to 1928 and marriages to 1937. There is no birth registration for a Desmond Brian MORAN to 1928 in SA.
Cheers
Cando
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I am eldest daughter of four born to James CHRISTOPHER Charles MORAN, son of James Charles Christopher MORAN. He was born in 1910 and his mother died in 1911. His father remarried to Matilda Peterson who had a daughter Muriel and subsequent siblings were half-brothers and sisters to my father. Dad died on 15 July 1982, aged 72. Ann
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Trying to find out info on Desmond Brian Moran, married Daphne? These two may still be living not sure. If anyone can help. I appreciate it. From what I know, he was born in SA
Desmond Moran was son of James Charles Christopher Moran, and half-brother to my father James Christopher Moran. He spent some time in the Royal Australian Navy I think and lived for some time at Seaton Park, Sth Aust. I recall he was active in the Bowls Club there according to my Dad.
My father was born in 1910 and his mother died in 1911. His father remarried to Matilda Peterson who had one daughter, Muriel. All subsequent siblings were half-brothers and sisters to my Dad who died in 1982, aged 72 at Broken Hill, NSW.
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Hi Cassiecat. I am one of the granddaughters of James Christopher Moran. One of four children born to Albert Wilson Moran. I have further information for you re James. He jumped ship in Pt Adelaide aged 13 and born in the County Cork of Ireland. All his brothers and sisters had a very irish upbringing. And all funerals I attended also very irish. Hope this helps u further your search for your husband.
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Hi Sassie Cat. I am the daughter of Albert Moran. did u get my post about his father who was from Ireland. jumped shipi as a cabin boy when it docked in Port Adelaide. I think I noticed that you were looking for Desmond my Dads younger brother his parents both died when he was a ten and he lived with us for a few years. He married Daphne (dec) and had two children David and JoAnne. I think he is now in a retirement village in the norther suburbs of Adelaide near his son and daughter. Cheers Millie cat
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Hi milliecat :)
Welcome to rootschat :)
Sassie Cat has not been logged in to rootschat since 17 Feb 2009. If she has notifications turned on and her email address hasn't changed since that date, she would have received an email about posts on this thread.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi I am the Grand Daughter of Horace James Moran & his first wife Joan Maiden name New - only child from this relationship Jennifer Alice Florence. Nice to meet you all.
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Greetings from Ann Moran, eldest daughter of James Christopher Charles Moran first son of James Christopher. He was widowed when my father was a baby and subsequent childRen were from his second marriage. Some names I know are Sydney, Albert. Horace. Desmond. Colin. David (deceased aged 6). Bette. Iris.
Muriel was daughter of his second wife at time of their marriage.
I met Horace and Joan when I was a very small child. They stayed with us for a short time. Desmond died late February 2015. I have sent
a letter to his family. Does anyone know where in Cork my grandfather was born?
I'm excited to hear this news of Dad's family. He spoke of and kept in touch from time to time but they were not part of our lives. I am eldest of 4 girls. My first name was Hilda, named for Dad's mother but I changed it to Ann in 1981. My sisters Joan and Shirley are still living and my sister Fay died of cancer aged 49 in 1986. None of us are "spring chickens" but pretty good anyway. Ann
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Hi Ann it was great to hear from you and more of the family history , as my side is a little confusing as My Grandfather Horace Divorced Joan as she had deserted her family I think the story was she had left my mother with the neighbour's while my Grandfather was at work. It was never realy talked about. Didnt actually now her name was Joan until Mum need her Birth Certificate. My Mum has now passed from Breast Cancer its been 10 years now and my siblings and i dont have any thing to do with the family. Would have any photos of Horace and Joan from your father. I should tell you a bit about my Family so there are a few kids my siblings names are from oldest to youngest ~ Lindi, Kym, David, Patsy,me Julianne and Helen. Lindi and Patsy have both passed Kym & David are in there fiftys im in my forties and Helen is too. It was great to hear from you look forward to hearing from you again best wishes Julianne :)
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Hi Ann it was great to hear from you and more of the family history , as my side is a little confusing as My Grandfather Horace Divorced Joan as she had deserted her family I think the story was she had left my mother with the neighbour's while my Grandfather was at work. It was never realy talked about. Didnt actually now her name was Joan until Mum need her Birth Certificate. My Mum has now passed from Breast Cancer its been 10 years now and my siblings and i dont have any thing to do with the family. Would have any photos of Horace and Joan from your father. I should tell you a bit about my Family so there are a few kids my siblings names are from oldest to youngest ~ Lindi, Kym, David, Patsy,me Julianne and Helen. Lindi and Patsy have both passed Kym & David are in there fiftys im in my forties and Helen is too. It was great to hear from you look forward to hearing from you again best wishes Julianne :)
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Hi Julianne
Did you get my reply to your last post? Ann
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I am eldest daughter of James Christopher Charles Moran, son of James Christopher Moran. My father died 24/3/1982 at Broken Hill, NSW. 4 daughters Hilda (Ann) Joan, Fay died 13/12/1986, Shirley. We all live in South. AUSTRALIA. My mother was Bernice Constance Eden and they were married 3 October 1931 at Royal Park. South Australia. They divorced in 1948.
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Hi Sassie Cat
Desmond Brian died on 18/2/2015 and is buried at Salisbury, South Australia
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Hi Ann,
Welcome to RootsChat, Julianne's notifications are working fine lets hope she logs in soon to see your reply :)
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Ann, yes sorry I did get your message it was very sad to read about Desmond so does that mean all brothers and sisters are now deceased. Ann did you ever meet my Mother Jenny (Jennifer) also as a child I remember going to Family Picnics in the Betanical Garden were most of the Morans would gather did you ever go. Look forward to hearing from you xx :)
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Hi Ann unsure if I have missed you or im doing something wrong hope you had a great Easter ;)
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Hi Ann,
If you are struggling to reply to Julieanne and need any help, please just click on the "contact support" button which can be found on the home page and I can help you.
Regards
Sarah :)
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Hi all, my name is Tereena Cocks and I am the middle child of Kay Leverington (nee Moran). Mum's father was Albert Wilson Moran from Port Adelaide and lived most of his life in Strathalbyn, SA.
Unfortunately, Mum is being treated for ovarian cancer, & needs to complete forms on any family history of cancer - especially breast, ovarian or testicular cancer. We wonder if anyone has been tested for the BRCA gene mutation?
Anyone who can help with any information on this would be greatly appreciated. If it is proven that Mum has the BRCA gene mutation, it could be of huge impact on any blood relative, as they will need to be tested for the gene mutation as well, & decide what, if any preventative treatments they will undertake.
Thanks.
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Anybody who can help me with information on any Moran family members who have or had cancer - specifically breast/ovarian/testicular and if they have ever had testing for BRCA gene mutation. My Mum - second daughter of Albert Wilson Moran requires this information as she has ovarian cancer and will be tested for BRCA gene mutation which can run in families.
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Hi Terrence
My father James Christopher Charles Moran was eldest and half brother. Of your father. Dad died of bowel cancer in March .Ann Mor
1982
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Birth records are only available in South Australia to 1928 and marriages to 1937. There is no birth registration for a Desmond Brian MORAN to 1928 in SA.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Tereena
I am the Grand Daughter of Horace James Moran my Mother's name was Jennifer Alice Florence Moran his daughter from his first Marriage. My mother passed of Breast Cancer in Sept 2004 and she had a daughter which Horace and his second wife adopted her name was Lindie and she has also passed from Breast cancer around 2011 and then my mother has been married twice two boys from her first marriage and then two Daughters from her second marriage which I am the eldest I was diagnosed with Breast cancer in 2013 I was approved for Genetic Testing which im doing at present. Hope this helps if there is anything else let me know
Julianne Fuss
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Thanks Anne & Julieanne - you have both helped greatly.
Gosh, Julieanne, it seems there is a high possibility of the BRCA gene being in the family. I hope the testing goes well for you and gives you the opportunity to take preventative measures if the test proves positive. It is a very big issue to face, but I guess the alternative is so confronting that we would do whatever it takes to survive.
Interestingly, I already have one genetic mutation which has given me a blood cancer which is relatively rare (Essential thrombocytosis and Polycythaemia Rubra Vera ) - this causes me to produce too many red blood cells and platelets and causes me to suffer clots and bleeds. I take a chemotherapy tablet (hydroxyurea) - which helps control the numbers.
Wondering where you both live?
I am in Strathalbyn, south of Adelaide - where my grandfather - Albert Wilson Moran worked and lived for most of his life.
Thanks again for all your help.
It will assist greatly in completing the family cancer history paperwork to enable genetic testing to commence.
Cheers,
Tereena.
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Hi Tereena
Wow this doesn't sound very good hope you are coping with it all, I live in Adelaide thank you for your reply and thank you for your information as well as this will also help with my testing. just wondering did you ever go to any of the Picnic's at the Botanical Gardens I remember going to a few a young girl.
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Hi all hope everyone is well its gone very quiet :D
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@sassiecat
I know this is a really old thread, but I am Colin Frederick Moran's granddaughter.
If you're still around here and want more information, I'm more than happy to provide it.
Otherwise, I have created our family tree on ancestry.com and you should be able to find it with the names you have now.
:)
Love Hayley