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:-\Can anyone shed any light please on the family of John LEMON (b. 1846 cc). All I know about John (according to the 1901 census records) is that he was a farmer, a Presbyterian and head of the family, living at Killycronaghan, Monaghan; he could read and write. I know he married Harriett Anne WILLIAMSON (b. 1850 cc) but nothing else. Parents and siblings for John LEMON would be a great help and much appreciated. Thankyou in anticipation.
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Hello Elizabeth,
The list below shows people named Lemon living in Monaghan
at the time Griffith's Valuation took place there in 1858-60.
William Lemon, Sr., Killycronaghan, Killeevan.
Arthur Lemon, Straclevan, Tedavnet.
William Lemon, Jr., Killycronaghan, Killeevan.
Mary Lemon, Killycronaghan, Killeevan.
William Lemon, Clones, Cara St., Clones.
Anne Lemon, Killycoonagh, Killeevan.
Robert Lemon, Shankill, Clones.
Christopher
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Hi Christopher, Thank you very much for having a look at the LEMON people in County Monaghan for me. I can tell you that those who were living at Killycronaghan, Killeevan are definitely my ancestors and I am delighted to have this information. The others may also be related - this is something I must find out. I have also discovered that a lot of my ancestors emigrated to California around this time. Are there any records in Ireland for those who emigrated? I have also been surprised to find that many of my ancestors married first cousins. Was this prevalent in many families? It makes research very confusing as the same family names seem to crop up time and again but with differing time frames. Thank you again for your interest and contact - it is much appreciated. Kind regards, Elizabeth
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Is there a Charles in your Lemons circa 1914?
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I am not aware of a Charles LEMON amongst my LEMON ancestors but I have very limited knowledge of the family.
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And me with mine!
Don't forget everything was hand wriitn in those days, then transcribed by someone else who may have to "decipher" the writing..
Found one of my ancesters who lived at Rowantree, at Roulantree and Rowanbree!! ::) ::) ???
So it's just a guessing game, try Lemmon etc.......
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Thank you for your reply. As a matter of interest, did you have any HARBISON/HARBINSON's marry into your LEMON/LEMMON families? I discovered that my families in County Monaghan tended to marry their cousins etc. so that the same family names seem to keep cropping up which can become very confusing. <grin> A lot of the family members seem to have emigrated to California and I did find a lot of information in Ancestry.com 'Family Trees.' However, that does not help much with those who stayed behind in Ireland and those are the people I am now interested in. My John LEMON was supposed to have a father David and I am 'blowed' if I can find any record of him other than on John's Marriage Certificate. Kind regards, Elizabeth (nee Gordon)
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Not on my extensive list, only 1 Gordon!
4 Lemons..... Charles, and children Richard, Judith, Peter L.
This is on my Swan family tree!
You got any Swan, Swann?
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Some of my lot... Halls and Swan/Swanns came from Kileevan, Tedavnet and Shankill !!
My 4 Aunts were Swan, but some of them signed their name Swann, what a waste of ink!! ::) 8).
So of my Swans flew away!! ;D
Mine were C of I, Prebyterians...
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Thank you for your reply. As a matter of interest, did you have any HARBISON/HARBINSON's marry into your LEMON/LEMMON families? I discovered that my families in County Monaghan tended to marry their cousins etc. so that the same family names seem to keep cropping up which can become very confusing. <grin> A lot of the family members seem to have emigrated to California and I did find a lot of information in Ancestry.com 'Family Trees.' However, that does not help much with those who stayed behind in Ireland and those are the people I am now interested in. My John LEMON was supposed to have a father David and I am 'blowed' if I can find any record of him other than on John's Marriage Certificate. Kind regards, Elizabeth (nee Gordon)
I have just come across something that may be of interest to you.
There are Lemons in relation to my tree!
I did a search of my family's estate-house and I have Harbinsons living there!
So there seems to be some connection between the 3 families!
May not be the same Lemons, Harbinsons and Swans but some coincidence??
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I am a newly registered member to this site and was interested in an old photograph hanging on the hall wall of my late mothers home. It appears to be definitely that of John Lemon and a strong possibility of another photo being that of Harriot Williamson (his wife).
I was chatting to a senior relation (98 years) who knew John Lemon in person. I hope to go to Smithborough Presyterian Church to access records to see if I can get any more information.
As I am totally new to trying to access information, you probably know more that myself. I am a great grandson of John Lemon.
Colin
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16th Mar 1880 Baptism. Tyholland Church. Robert Thomas son of Robert Williamson + Sarah Jane Lemon from Carn.
4th May 1881 Joseph Elliott son of Thomas Elliott, Clones, married Isabella Lemon daughter of William Lemon of Killyconaghan, Killeevan in Scotstown Church.
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Hi David, I am confident that the record you have listed for Joseph Elliott being married to Isabella LEMON (daughter of William LEMON of Killycronaghan) is my LEMON family. The other item (son born to Robert Williamson and Sarah Jane LEMON) is also of interest as my Gt.Grandfather John LEMON married a Harriet Ann WILLIAMSON. Having already established that there were a lot of 1st cousin marriages at this period of time I have a feeling that these also belong.
I see you have LEMONs in your tree (with a Harbison connection); the Swans are the family I cannot connect with so far! Mr. Colin Fullerton (who has joined this discussion) is also a gt.grandchild of John LEMON and is hoping to get access to some old records in the near future.
John LEMON of Killacronaghan married Harriet Ann WILLIAMSON on 18th January 1867 at Presbyterian Church, Smithboro, Co. Monaghan. His father is given as David LEMON while hers is John Williamson of Listillen; she was just 19 years old. Marriage was 'By Licence' - John Elliott. (interesting!) In presence of Thomas LEMMON and Mary LEMMON. The later two spelled their names with double m's.
At the time of the 1901 census I found a William LEMON (26 yrs old) living with his mother Margaret LEMMON (Widow 75 yrs.) at Killycronaghan.
Do any of these names 'ring a bell' with you in relation to your family? Thank you for making contact again and sharing this data. Kind regards, Elizabeth
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If my memory is correct Geraldine Swan married Charles Lemon, but this is in 1930's, their sons Peter and Richard were in US army but I think the earlier reference was to Swans/Harbisons/Lemons in Co Down.
I'm just tracing one particular line at the moment but will keep an eye out.......For now you'd be better off concentrating on Elliots/Lemons as it is only one of them marrying a Swan.....that one may not even be yours.
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11th April 1939 Tyholland C of I; Robert Lemmon son of Moses Lemmon ExSgt R.I.C. of 132 Oldpark Avenue, Cliftonville, Belfast, married Charlotte E. Nesbitt dau, W. M. Nesbitt, Mullaghduff, Donagh, - WITNESSES William James Scarlett + Eilenn Nesbitt.
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I too need help with locating the early TODD/LEMON farm in Killacronaghan or Killycronaghan, in between Killeevan and Smithborough, County Monaghan, No Ire. My interest lies in the early TODD lineage, proof, and sources to sort out the various County Down TODD lines, and to find the missing very early cemetery [not in Prof. Richard S. Jessup Clarke's excellent 21 volume Gravestone Inscriptions series]. Reverend Samuel A. AGNEW of Bethany, Lee Co., Mississippi wrote of this TODD/LEMON farm in his letters and papers preserved in the Kentucky Historical Society, Frankfort, Kentucky, USA. One of Rev. Agnew's letters, dated 7 Feb 1898 was addressed to E.T. Helm [Emily TODD Helm] of Elizabethtown, KY.
In this important letter he carefully writes: "Andrew TODD was married twice: first to Sidney WEST, then to Mary SIMPSON. He had children by both wives. His eldest son by his first wife, John TODD was killed at the battle of Waterloo in 1815. His daughter Mary married a LEMON and remained in Ireland when her father with the remaining children came to America. She lived on the place that was occupied by her grandfather and father and it is still occupied by her son, William LEMON, who if alive is now a very old man. It is in Killachronaghan Townland, not far from Smithsboro in Co. Monaghan. By his last wife Andrew had Samuel Rutherford born in 1807, Letitia Simpson born 1809 and Margaret Isabelle [or Isabella] born in 1811. My mother, Letitia Simpson Todd married Dr. Enoch AGNEW in 1832 and died Feb 28 1879 in Union Co. Miss and is buried in Bethany burial ground in Lee Co., Miss." [quickly transcribed in part, today from copy of original obtained, 2008, from Emily Todd Helm file at Ky His Soc.]
This TODD heritage is very important to either align or distinguish away from the early TODD family of Toddstown1 (a townland's nickname) and Toddstown2 (a farm near Ballynasveagh & Glaskerbeg East)- both in County Down, No Ire. I am in need of specifics for an upcoming trip to repositories in County Down, as to where to find answers to the early, say 1580s-1860, Presbyterian TODD lines. I am hoping that living ancestors still live on this TODD/LEMON farm, and at Toddstown1 and Toddstown2, and have answers in a shoebox. All help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any clues.
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I have a LEMON family who lived and farmed at Killacronaghan and would love to share information
with you. Please contact me at my email address
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Please post any info to this message thread. Thanks.
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My Gt. Grandfather John GORDON was the son of James GORDON b. 1795 cc and Jane HARBISON b. 1827 cc and was born at Templetate, Co. Monaghan. The last five children of this family emigrated to California.
Jane HARBISON's parents were Matthew HARBISON and Margaret LEMMON who married on 21/03/1823 County Monaghan. Matthew and Margaret HARBISON, along with most of their children, emigrated to California also, some in 1872.
Gt. Grandfather John LEMON was born 1840 cc (according to 1901 census records for Monaghan) and at the time of his marriage to Harriett WILLIAMSON his father's name was given as David LEMON, in the presence of Thomas LEMON and Mary LEMON.
All LEMMON/LEMON ancestors have the birth address of Killacronaghan, County Monaghan.
When I was a child I visited my Grandmother Margaret LEMMON, (daughter of John LEMON) who was married to Robert Henry GORDON, widowed and living with her son John GORDON at Killacronaghan. I don't know if this was the original Killacronaghan LEMON farm or not. The GORDON family had a farm at Templetate and that was the birth address for most of them.
It would certainly appear that we tie in here somewhere but it becomes very confusing because there were a lot of first cousin marriages, both in Monaghan and in California. I am corresponding to HARBISON, LEMON and GORDON cousins
in U.S.A.
I have seen a marriage on the LDS web site for David LEMON b. 1779 to a Mary TODD with a son William born 1817 cc, but I cannot find a direct connection with my own family even though they both have the Killacronaghan address.
Hopefully we can find this connection between us.
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Dear Toddstown, I wonder if the William LEMON you mention and who you believe was the only member of his immediate family to remain in Ireland when his family emigrated to the U.S.A. is my LEMON ancestor from Killacronaghan. I would like to hear what you have to say and would be very interested to hear more about this particular LEMON family. Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth,
I was just searching on the internet to see whether I could find any more information on our ancestors, the Lemon family, and I found your message. Hallmark stated that Joseph Elliott married Isabella Lemon, daughter of William Lemon. Is this not the same Isabella Lemon that Toddstown mentions? Also, both Isabellas had fathers called William, and both were in Killycronaghan, so it seems likely that they are at least related, if not the same person. Also this William may be the William, son of David Lemon and Mary Todd, that Elizabeth refers to. This would appear to tie in all of our families. I am the great grandson of Mary Elizabeth LEMON, daughter of John LEMON and Harriet WILLIAMSON. Mary married Thomas GRAY and had my granddad, Johnny GRAY.
Thanks,
David
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On second thoughts I looked at the record and it says the marriage date is around 1816. As we think John Lemon was born around 1846, it would seem unlikely that they are his parents. Also Toddstown's Isabella was born in 1811, so she is not this William's daughter, although they may still be related, as it seems unlikely there are two sets of Lemons in a place as small as Killycronaghan.
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Well there's the old Irish saying...."A Lemon never falls far from the tree".. ;D ;D
I see a West name in the mix, anyone have any West info? Looking for ANY West/Gray records please...
There were 2 William Lemons living in Monaghan at the time Griffith's Valuation took place there in 1858-60.
William Lemon, Sr., Killycronaghan, Killeevan.
William Lemon, Jr., Killycronaghan, Killeevan.
So what ages were they??
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I think William Sr. was probably the one whose parents were David Lemon and Mary Todd, so he would be born around 1817. William Jr. would then be born around 1837. If he then had a daughter some time around 1857, then she would probably be the one who married Joseph Elliott in 1888.
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There is also a Mary Lemon, who is probably William Senior's wife. The only other people are Matthew HARBISON, Thomas ELLIOTT and Thomas LENNARD. Is this Thomas ELLIOTT the father of Joseph Elliott? I think this Matthew Harbison is the father of Jane Harbison. Is it correct that Jane's mother was also a Lemon?
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Thomas Lennard was actually Sir Thomas Barrett-Lennard, 2nd Baronet and he was the land owner.
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LEMON WILLIAM CARA STREET MONAGHAN CLONES
LEMON ROBERT SHANKILL MONAGHAN CLONES
LEMON ANNE KILLYCOONAGH MONAGHAN KILLEEVAN
LEMON WILLIAM KILLYCRONAGHAN MONAGHAN KILLEEVAN
LEMON MARY KILLYCRONAGHAN MONAGHAN KILLEEVAN
LEMON WILLIAM KILLYCRONAGHAN MONAGHAN KILLEEVAN
LEMON ARTHUR STRACLEVAN MONAGHAN TEDAVNET
SMYTH WILLIAM LISLEA MONAGHAN CURRIN
SMITH JAMES LISLEA MONAGHAN CURRIN
MURPHY EDWARD DRUMAVEALE MONAGHAN CURRIN
SMITH WILLIAM DRUMAVEALE MONAGHAN CURRIN
William Lemon was the landlord of the ones in Currin.
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Anyone have West/Gray records please...? even unrelated to Lemons.
The Wests seem to be linked to Lemon + Gordon lines so am checking possible "triangle connections" to these names.."Mary Elizabeth LEMON, daughter of John LEMON and Harriet WILLIAMSON. Mary married Thomas GRAY"..
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You haven't mentioned these Wests before, how do they fit in? Did you know the Grays and are you related to them?
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These names are mixed in the various previous posts, the Wests and Greys interconnect..etc.
So by looking at various links it might form a chain! That is why I was asking for ANY West/Gray records...Lemons a reconnected to Halls....West are connected to Halls..others connect to Halls etc.....it is not a straight line due to various marriages along the way.
The Lemons connect to Halls (2 different Hall families!)...Gordons connect to Halls(at least twice!)....Lemons connect to Greys...Swans connect to Nesbitts...Swans connect to Halls...
As for who I'm related to.....many families ( Swann, Wright, Woods, McCrudden, Seymours, Lyons, Scotts, McMurrins, Grahams, Dudgeons, Browns, Gordons, Greys etc) and many of these names are further connected by Swanns marrying Grahams, Browns marrying Swanns, Woods marrying McCruddens, Swanns marrying Dudgeons, Halls marrying Woods, Dudgeons marrying Grahams, Halls marrying Wrights who were already connected to Swanns, etc etc . If you are doing Lemon family you need to find connections to other names as often these families reconnect to each other 2 or 3 generations back..
So if anyone has any West/Grey(Gray) records I'd appreciate them as I am one link short of a connection, thanks.
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Haha that's very confusing. I'm afraid I can't help. I traced my English ancestors back to the 16th century last year, but I have had no success with my Irish ancestors. I didn't even have my granddad's parents names until Elizabeth emailed me, but I did have his siblings. I'd also greatly appreciate any help with the Grays, Lemons and Chapmans (Johnny Gray married Lucinda Isabella Chapman - again I have her siblings but I don't have her parents names. I found the war record of her brother, Samuel, but there were two copies of the same record, and one said his father's name was John, the other said Joseph!)
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Well it's by all the side connections I was able to sort them out to date..my connections to the Lemon descendents was worked out in a very roundabout way...even though the connection is indirect to them. My g/aunt connected across to someone on that tree but I think it was over 3 generations or 4..even that line goes back to another line of mine in North Monaghan over 100 years earlier..now I'm working on connecting West/Greys....to someone else. So many names are in the mix, that is why I'm trying for any West/Grey records....so one of these might be the one to link them! Maybe even one of the Wests that married into the previously mentioned Todds...e.g who else did the Todd family marry??
One record can make all the difference, hence my looking for West/Grey records...but I probably won't get any!
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Aha...more Browns, this time to Chapman...15th June 1830 Isaac Brown, Drumgoon married Sarah Chapman, Ematris...
more Halls to Chapmans....15th Dec 1920 Edward Chapman son, John Chapman, Glaslough Street, Monaghan Married Margaret Hall dau, David Hall, Killylaragh....which would be Errigal Trough,I think.......Interesting!!
and Chapmans married into Grahams...Gordons married Chapmans....Here we go again!! :'( :'( :'( ::)Greys married Chapmans....but did Wests marry Chapmans?? (answers on $20 bills please!!) :o
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Where are you finding all these marriage records? It would appear that all the Irish married cousins!
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Well I just collect them, am hoping to get my hands on other books..mainly Ballybay area but won't be back there for 2 weeks...got births/deaths for one parish last Tuesday and a waiting for the marriage records....the people I was looking for weren't there except for birth of one son so now need to look elsewhere for the rest...these are Wests and Greys....so they moved parishes.
There are books written on part of my family so they are easy enough..one or two names can then be traced. Not too bothered about them as they are peripheral lines but just nice to have. I have everyone on my diect lines back to 1800 or so, which is sufficient enough. You have to draw a line somewhere...
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not yours but;
17th Nov 1848 Thomas Lamon son, Owen Lamon, Lisroon, Clones Parish, Married Betsy Annon dau, John Annon, Allagesh witnesses Joseph + Henry McVittie in Tedadvnet
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Hi everyone
I don't know if there is a connection to the Lemon ancestry being posted on this page and my G Grandmother Sarah Ann Lemon who married William Thompson in Trinity C of I church in Belfast on 07/06/1881. Sarah's father was called William Lemon
In the 1911 census under 'where born', Sarah has Co. Donegal, but searches for Lemon births or marriages in or around her approx DOB in Donegall comes up with zero results. I am thinking maybe Sarah's maternal family came from Donegal (not Lemons) but her paternal Lemon family came from elsewhere, possibly Monaghan
Will be travelling back home in Dec/Jan for a holiday and will hopefully use up a day or two at PRONI although I don't know how much information I will retrieve from Counties 'south' of the border. Until then I would love to get as much information as possible
Frances
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After spending all day on this TODD/LEMON inquiry yesterday (who is to get the bill for this?) it seems prudent to ask a couple of important leading questions… This is the Andrew TODD (c1756/1843) born in County Down IRE line of LEMONs in Co Monaghan...
1. When did John LEMON b. c1846, the husband of Harriett Ann WILLIAMSON, die? Could it be 1883? Is it known?
Eliz3 wrote:
John LEMON of Killacronaghan married Harriet Ann WILLIAMSON on 18th January 1867 at Presbyterian Church, Smithboro, Co. Monaghan. His father is given as David LEMON while hers is John Williamson of Listillen; she was just 19 years old. Marriage was 'By Licence' - John Elliott. (interesting!) In presence of Thomas LEMMON and Mary LEMMON. The later two spelled their names with double m's.
2. What are the full names of any of the known male children of this John LEMON b.c. 1846, son of a David LEMON? Any Walter names?
I too need help with locating the early TODD/LEMON farm in Killacronaghan or Killycronaghan, in between Killeevan and Smithborough, County Monaghan, No Ire. My interest lies in the early TODD lineage, proof, and sources to sort out the various County Down TODD lines, and to find the missing very early cemetery [not in Prof. Richard S. Jessup Clarke's excellent 21 volume Gravestone Inscriptions series]. Reverend Samuel A. AGNEW of Bethany, Lee Co., Mississippi wrote of this TODD/LEMON farm in his letters and papers preserved in the Kentucky Historical Society, Frankfort, Kentucky, USA. One of Rev. Agnew's letters, dated 7 Feb 1898 was addressed to E.T. Helm [Emily TODD Helm] of Elizabethtown, KY.
In this important letter he carefully writes: "Andrew TODD was married twice: first to Sidney WEST, then to Mary SIMPSON. He had children by both wives. His eldest son by his first wife, John TODD was killed at the battle of Waterloo in 1815. His daughter Mary married a LEMON and remained in Ireland when her father with the remaining children came to America. She lived on the place that was occupied by her grandfather and father and it is still occupied by her son, William LEMON, who if alive is now a very old man. It is in Killachronaghan Townland, not far from Smithsboro in Co. Monaghan. By his last wife Andrew had Samuel Rutherford born in 1807, Letitia Simpson born 1809 and Margaret Isabelle [or Isabella] born in 1811. My mother, Letitia Simpson Todd married Dr. Enoch AGNEW in 1832 and died Feb 28 1879 in Union Co. Miss and is buried in Bethany burial ground in Lee Co., Miss." [quickly transcribed in part, today from copy of original obtained, 2008, from Emily Todd Helm file at Ky His Soc.]
This TODD heritage is very important to either align or distinguish away from the early TODD family of Toddstown1 (a townland's nickname) and Toddstown2 (a farm near Ballynasveagh & Glaskerbeg East)- both in County Down, No Ire. ...snip
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Any use?? Am working on Hall but have these....
Smithborough; 18th April 1877....Thomas HALL of Lisgall married Mary Ann LEMON of Killacronaghan (Father William LEMON, farmer). Witnesses were Alexander HALL and Isabella LEMON.
Another Williamson/Lemon connection...Birth; 16th Mar 1880 Robert Thomas son, Robert Williamson + Sarah Jane Lemon, Carn at Tyholland.
4th May 1881 Joseph Elliott son, Thomas Elliott, Clones, married Isabella Lemon dau, William Lemon, Killycronaghan at Scotstown.
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Re: TODD/LEMON farm in Killacronaghan or Killycronaghan, in between Killeevan and Smithborough, County Monaghan, No Ire
Yes, your HALL and ELLIOTT also seem to fit here nicely--It appears as though Walter John LEMON, born 1849 may be the best? candidate for Colin and Elizabeth in Western Australia's line...I am not sure...but see what you think of Rev. Samuel Agnew's papers, extracted below....
RECORDS OF THE DESCENDANTS OF ANDREW TODD COPIED BY REV. SAMUEL A. AGNEW of BETHANY, LEE COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI, USA (and transcribed roughly in part here today by Toddstown, to reply to this message thread at Rootschat, Lemon board, 28 Aug 2009 )
A. Andrew TODD was born in County Down Ireland, about 1756
This Andrew TODD died in Laurens District South Carolina USA, 13 July 1843 age about 87 yrs.
He married first, Sidney WEST and had issue as follows (six TODD kids):
I. John TODD killed in Battle of Waterloo 1815 had no issue
II. Mary TODD m David LEMON in 1815 or 1816
a. Matilda LEMON m. _____ DUNWOODY and had 10 DUNWOODY kids [intermarried with NICKLES, McCOY, McCRUM]
b. William LEMON m. _____ and had issue- 10 LEMON kids
i. David LEMON
ii. Wm LEMON
iii. Thomas LEMON
iv. John LEMON
v. Mary Ann LEMON m Thomas HULL/HALL of Lisgane, Smithsborough
vi. Sarah Jane LEMON m Robert WILLIAMSON of Coramagen Newbliss
vii. Isabella LEMON m Joseph ELLOTTE
viii. Martha LEMON
ix. Elizabeth LEMON
x. Margaret LEMON
c. David LEMON d 9 July 1867 m Martha Jane HETHERINGTON or HETHENUGTON 3 May 1848 in Stonebridge Church Co Monaghan Ireland by Rev Ringland Fisher or Fishar of Raffery or Rattery Killinchy Co Down Ireland and had issue
i. Walter John LEMON born 1849
ii. Mary Anne LEMON 1851
iii. Wm David LEMON 1854 m Minnie WOOST b Mecklenburg Germany 1860
iv. Letitia Jane LEMON 1856
v. Harry/Harvey Ringland Kilpatrick LEMON 1858
vi. Samuel Herbert LEMON 1862
vii. Thomas LEMON 1867
d. Isabella LEMON b 1820 d 13 Feb 1884 m. Thomas LEGHORN and had __ issue [intermarried with LAWSON of Lurganboy Drum…]
III. Richard TODD
IV. Aaron TODD
V. Jane West TODD
VI. Eliza TODD
(Andrew TODD married 2nd, Mary SIMPSON of County Monaghan who died in Laurens, South Carolina USA, 23 Aug 1850 aged about 66 yrs and had issue as follows: (3 TODD kids with Mary Simpson)
VII. Samuel Rutherford TODD born 7 Oct 1807 [DNA alignment confirmed, 2009, from this line]
VIII. Leticia Simpson TODD born 19 Sept 1809 [** line of Rev Samuel AGNEW who preserved this data]
IX. Margaret Isabella TODD 11 Nov 1812
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It looks like Walter John LEMON is not the right guy-- Rev Agnew wrote that this man married Isabella CARVER, apparently of Minnesota USA and had 5 kids...so, eliminate this one ...and the possible death date of 1883 and birth in 1849 both won't fit either then...
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Yesterday I also made some notes on a different David LEMON, so I guess this alternative David LEMON (died 1838) has to be considered also…given the scenario evolving...
Ros Davies writes that Ballymorran was the “home of poet David Lemon 21 Apr 1838” [source: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PLACENAMES/Ballyhm.htm ]
David LEMON . Holywood of Ballymaghan; leased a house & small garden in 1863 from Thomas McClure GV .
David LEMON . Killinchy of Ballymorran, poet, died 21 Apr 1838 DR .
David LEMON . Killyleagh will probated 1839; executor was J. D. Wilson of Ballygoskin IIW # 38447
John LEMON . Killinchy of Ballymorran; died 16 Jun 1778 aged 21; son of James Lemon; buried Presbyterian graveyard MIs
[source: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/L/LeaLem.htm#lem ]
Was there Presbyterian migration from _______ Co Down to Co Monaghan and back to Ballymorran, Killinchy, Co Down, ? There is a land record for a David LEMON, of Ballymorran. Separately a Robert TODD (b. c. 1806) family in Ballymorran also had a land record with a RUSSELL family, as both recorded on microfilm at PRONI, Belfast, County Down, No IRE. The RUSSELLs of Balloo Killinchy may be tied with the adjacent Ballymorran RUSSELLs, and the SCOTTs of Killinchy… I don’t recall the details offhand…After being kindly driven around Balloo, Ballymorran and Killinchy, County Down, this past spring, the neighborhood is certainly very close together.
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1. When did John LEMON b. c1846, the husband of Harriett Ann WILLIAMSON, die? Could it be 1883? Is it known?
2. What are the full names of any of the known male children of this John LEMON b.c. 1846, son of a David LEMON? Any Walter names?
I know that John Lemon lived close to the age of 100 and that he definitely died in County Monaghan - this information was from his daughter Tillie, who died this year at the age of 99. I am not sure of the date when he was born, as in 1901 it said he was 55 but in 1911 it said he was 72!
On the 1911 census John and Harriet are listed as having 10 children, 8 alive. My ancestor, John Gray (son of Mary Elizabeth Lemon and Thomas Gray), who was born in 1895, was living with his grandparents, John and Harriet, in 1911, so I'm wondering whether Mary was one of the Lemons who had died?
I only seem to have 9 children down (maybe one died in childbirth or something):
Mary Elizabeth, born c. 1867 (according to 1901 and 1911 censuses)
Margaret, born 1869, married Robert Henry Gordon
Letitia Ann, born 1872, married John Clarke
David John, born 1874
Thomas James, born 1876, married Isabella Neely
Clemena, born 1879, married Mark Reynolds
Henry, born 1880, married Susan
Susan, born 1883, married Edward Andrews
Artie, born c. 1886, emigrated to America
John's father was definitely called David as I have a copy of his marriage certificate. I think his mother was Martha Jane Hetherington or Mary Patten. I guess that David Lemon and Mary Todd were a generation earlier, but you don't have a John listed as son of David and Martha?
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Well it doesn't look like there are any Grey/West records to be had, am one record short of linking quite a few family lines incl Hall/Lemon/Grey etc...
Will be hanging my hat up on this until next year now as I won't be driving around Monaghan in winter time. I've 2 more parishes to get records from next week...then hibernate!
I've about 18,000 records to sort out over the winter onto my database.
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Yesterday I also made some notes on a different David LEMON, so I guess this alternative David LEMON (died 1838) has to be considered also…given the scenario evolving...
Ros Davies writes that Ballymorran was the “home of poet David Lemon 21 Apr 1838” [source: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PLACENAMES/Ballyhm.htm ]
David LEMON . Holywood of Ballymaghan; leased a house & small garden in 1863 from Thomas McClure GV .
David LEMON . Killinchy of Ballymorran, poet, died 21 Apr 1838 DR .
David LEMON . Killyleagh will probated 1839; executor was J. D. Wilson of Ballygoskin IIW # 38447
John LEMON . Killinchy of Ballymorran; died 16 Jun 1778 aged 21; son of James Lemon; buried Presbyterian graveyard MIs
[source: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/L/LeaLem.htm#lem ]
Was there Presbyterian migration from _______ Co Down to Co Monaghan and back to Ballymorran, Killinchy, Co Down, ? There is a land record for a David LEMON, of Ballymorran. Separately a Robert TODD (b. c. 1806) family in Ballymorran also had a land record with a RUSSELL family, as both recorded on microfilm at PRONI, Belfast, County Down, No IRE. The RUSSELLs of Balloo Killinchy may be tied with the adjacent Ballymorran RUSSELLs, and the SCOTTs of Killinchy… I don’t recall the details offhand…After being kindly driven around Balloo, Ballymorran and Killinchy, County Down, this past spring, the neighborhood is certainly very close together.
Hmm this may be possible.
I found this website:
http://chicagoscots.net/Famous_Scots_N-Z.html
which says that Mary Patten married David Lemon. Unfortunately it gives no more information on David Lemon, as the section including L seems to be missing, but it does say how the Pattens emigrated from Scotland to Monaghan and from Monaghan to America. Mary Patten was born in Monaghan. As it says "FAMOUS SCOTS" maybe the connection to fame is that she married a poet, namely David Lemon, but I'm not sure. Who is the John Lemon, son of James, that you mentioned, and who is Reverend Agnew?
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Note that Geoffrey Todd of Banstead, Surrey, in 1968 (working on James Balderston's earlier research on TODD lines) mentions a James Gray the younger in Haghill, near Glasgow and his wife Cristaine Cliddisdaill,1596-98. Original source seems to be Commissarior of Glasgow books. Also a James GRAY senior in Haghill with wife Katharine MAYN is noted, 1597 deed/charter/sasine. Mitchell Library in Glasgow has Geoffrey Todd's papers, etc.
So if some of the GRAYs and TODDs removed together to now Northern Ireland...
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There were Todds living at Seaveagh, Tyholland Parish - they moved to Blackwatertown, County Tyrone.
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I read about your church CD project. I am not sure what the earliest TODDs you have within those Presbyterian records, but yes there are quite a few I hope that you have. I do not know the cost of the CD, but I would consider getting one. Could the Haghill TODDs who immigrated have settled in the earliest settlements near Co. Monaghan? Would the church CD show the ones who removed to County Down and America...Hope springs eternal.
I noted today that there are more GRAY references than I noted in my earlier post. George GRAY and Christaine ARMOR, his spouse [Doc A 9. Pg 179 Barony of Glasgow AD 1564 as specified on pg 94 of Geoffrey Todd's papers, Mitchell Lib, Glasgow]. An ARMOR married an early County Down TODD - I am only viewing a detailed typed abstract/report by Geoffrey Todd, 1968, not the original papers.
A Charles GRAY, merchant, and his burial plot [on pg 118 of Geoffrey Todd's papers] are adjacent to plots owned by James ARMOUR, merchant, and _____ AIKENS, and Robert MARSHALL grandfather of Robert Paterson, tailor in Paisley who conveyed this same MARSHALL plot to George TODD, portioner of Haghill.
If this group could ultimately tie some pieces together....Could the Robert Marshall name also tie with the Ballymorran, by Killinchy, Co Down Robert MARSHALL & TODD families (abt 1800s-1850s)- wishful speculation here-- but yes this transfer of burial plot document date is 3 Mar 1715, Glasgow [ Doc C. 60, Geoffrey Todd papers, p 118]...
Note that your Co Cavan POLLOCK/POGUE names are also important to me (Glasgow roots), as are all the TODDs--There is also an very early walled Presby colony cemetery with Nesbitt/Todd burials which seems to have vanished...not in Co Down cemetery series...so maybe this too is in the church records...Could your records be the earliest Presby migration from Glasgow area...? How wonderful of you to tackle the scanning and preservation. That's tremendous! Thank you!
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I ordered the civil marriage record off the IFHF for Thomas Gray and Mary Lemon today. I thought you would be interested to see its contents: Note the appearance of the name Elliott again!
Thomas Gray was the father of my grandfather, John Gray. He married Mary Elizabeth Lemon on 05 May 1891 in Armagh. His full name is Thomas Fredrick Gray. His father is listed as Joseph Gray, a coachman.
The witnesses were James J Elliott and Annie Quinne.
They were married in the Presbyterian Church by licence by J Elliott.
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I just noticed a Gray/Boyd link. This is my grandfather's siblings and family. My grandfather, John Gray, was living with his grandparents, John and Harriet Lemon.
Residents of House Number 68 in Solway, Victoria, Down
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Solway/226768/
Clemina Lemon was Mary E's sister, so there's a good chance that Annie Boyd was also related.
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There was another family of Grays living in Solway, who I think could be related:
Residents of house number 18 in Solway (Victoria (part of), Down)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Solway/226718/
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Hi - am new to this -but just to let you know my grandfather was Geoff Todd ( George Frederick Todd) and I have a copy of his typewritten work - Todd family Haghill so if I can help anyone in anyway please shout!
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Hi,
Dee Dardes from Cincinnati Ohio has done considerable ressearch on the Todd families of County Down, including one that dates back to prior to 1625 when the name Toddstown refers to a townland (later carricknaveagh) in Central County Down.
I have been doing a survey of the Todds of Northern Ireland, but ultimately we would like to try to find the Scottish origins of the Irish Todds.
We are delighted to find someone on Rootschat who is related to the Geoff Frederick Todd who wrote a history of the Todds of Haghill Glasglow going back to the 1500s.
Are you a Todd or was your mother a Todd?
I have a Todd Families in America website if you are interested in the Todds who emigtated there.
Richard McMurtry
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Hi there - I am a Todd - my father is a George Todd - Geoff's son and
my brother is also a George Todd - I am now married but have kept Todd in my name to help genealogists in the future! Great that you are doing this - thank you.
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Hello,
My name is Richard McMurtry and I started doing family history when I was 16, 48 years ago! in 1980, I wrote a book called: John McMurtry and the American Indian: A Frontiersman in the Struggle for the Ohio Valley. In this book, I mention that John McMurtry married about 1770 to Mary Todd Hutton, daughter of Samuel Hutton and Mary Todd and granddaughter of William Todd born Ireland about 1700.
I am now corresponding with Todds in Northern Ireland and fleshing out the relationship or lack thereof between them using DNA analysis.
We seem to have located my Todds in central Co Antrim near Ballyalbanagh and Ballyclare and we have located unrelated Todds in Co Down by 1625 and in Co Armagh by the 1700s.
We are curious if we could use DNA to determine the origins of the Todds of Scotland. By getting DNA samples from Scottish Todds, we could determine which of them share a common ancestor and perhaps wherein Scotland they originated.
Perhaps your family originated elsewhere in Scotland and migrated to the Glasgow area at an early date.
What is your interest that brought you to the Rootschat site.?
Richard
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HI J.....,
I see that George Frederick Todd had a daughter and a son born to his son George Buchanan Todd. You must be the daughter.
I am going to try to call your father tomorrow. Do you know if he has any interest in the family tree? I'm going to give him my email over the phone; do you think he might respond to me that way.
Richard McMurtry
Todd FAmilies in America
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Am sure he will help if he can - very busy though so as long as it's not too complex as he's also technophobic!
Thanks
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Re DNA testing - is there proper informed consent for this procedure along with an information sheet - just hesitant about what is done with the information so we may not be willing to do that bit but will certainly help where we can with photos or pictures or letters etc
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I've just found this site - I've been doing Todd family history over the past year and traced the Todd family back to Fenwick, Ayrshire around 1700. I'm curious about the Todd family Haghill in the 1600s - whether there's a connection to the Fenwick Tod(d)'s as they're only 15-20 miles away.
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Beth,
Thanks for emailing me directly!
We have one sample from Ayrshire which matches what the call the Group 2 DNA pattern of Todds and we have a sample from the Haghill Todds which mathces what we call the Group 1 pattern of Todds. By doing a male DNA sample from a male Todd desc of a male Todd, you can find out if your Fenwick Todds match one of these patterns or a wholly independent family unrelated to those we have studied.
Richard McMurtry
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Please see expert researcher, Richard McMurtry's colorful YDNA chart (circa 2011) entitled "DNA Patterns of the Todd Families of Northern Ireland." (filename below: todddnaparishmapofulster.pdf) This YDNA page refers to the Todd Families, DNA Group 2 using royal blue circles on the multiple maps. Group 2 YDNA, includes the Ballymorran, Killinchy, County Down, Todd/Scott/Marshall? heritage. Ballymorran is of particular interest to me due to the marriage records at Killinchy Presbyterian Church which I verified years ago pointing to the southern Ohio, USA line of Todds (but I had no luck confirming parentage of Robert Todd (born 12 Aug 1806 / died 23 Feb. 1899, Butler County, Ohio, USA), husband of Prudence Ann Scott (born 25 Dec 1814 / died 6 Oct 1874, Butler County, Ohio USA- -Prudence is to be daughter of William SCOTT and Margaret CALDWELL or daughter of Samuel SCOTT and _____ (with a Samuel Scott to be in Ballymorran land records?) Robert Todd and Prudence Ann SCOTT married at Killinchy Presby Church, 9 Mar 1833 and had ten children. Possible parents for this Robert Todd are to be: Samuel TODD (born say c1760s-1780s) and wife Mary Ann MARSHALL (or perhaps ?? Wm Samuel Todd ??)-- Marshalls seem to be of Ballymorran, but nothing of this generation was able to be solidified... Could this family tie into anyone's research?
Here are a few of Richard's many links and pre 2012 pages- yes these still work as of this posting:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mcmurtriecfr/richard/todd/irishscottishtodddna.htm
Irish and Scottish Todd DNA Final Report, Jan. 2011
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mcmurtriecfr/richard/todd/todddnaentrance.htm
freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mcmurtriecfr/richard/todd/scotlandtodddnamap.pdf
freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mcmurtriecfr/richard/todd/todddnaparishmapofulster.pdf
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mcmurtriecfr/richard/todd/toddentrance.htm
The Todd Families of America, Ireland, and Scotland
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mcmurtriecfr/richard/todd/irishtoddhome.htm
The Todds of Northern Ireland
Does your Ayrshire line fall into Group 2?
I've just found this site - I've been doing Todd family history over the past year and traced the Todd family back to Fenwick, Ayrshire around 1700. I'm curious about the Todd family Haghill in the 1600s - whether there's a connection to the Fenwick Tod(d)'s as they're only 15-20 miles away.
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I am also a descendant of the Lemons of Killycronaghan (my father posted earlier on in this thread, but I do all the genealogy research now). We have corresponded with most of the people in this thread in the past.
My 2x great grandmother was Mary Elizabeth Lemon (1868-1911), daughter of John Lemon (1839-1935) and Harriett Anne Williamson (1849-1922). It is this John Lemon who has proven most problematic, as his father was David Lemon and his mother is unknown. Thanks to the civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie site, I have now located deaths for John and Harriett, as well as births for all of their children.
I have obtained a death certificate for a Mary Lemon in Killycronaghan in 1890, aged 85, widow of David Lemon. Her son John was the informant. It is safe to assume that this is our John's mother. It is highly unlikely to be Mary Todd, as she married David Lemon on 15th June 1814 in Killeevan. It is not Martha Jane Hetherington either, as that David Lemon (son of David Lemon and Mary Todd) emigrated to Woodbury, Washington, Minnesota and died there in 1867. Martha remarried to David Marks and died in St Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota in 1905.
So that just leaves Mary Patten. We know that a Mary, the daughter of James Patten and Rachel Blakeley of Stonebridge, married David Lemon. There are baptisms at PRONI for children of David Lemon and Mary Patten in Killycronaghan in the 1830s. So far it looks like their children were:
Thomas Lemon 1832–
Eliza Jane Lemon 1833–1906 unmarried
Isabella Lemon 1833–1898 unmarried
Robert Lemon 1834–
Rachel Lemon 1836–1907 married John Martin
John Lemon 1839–1935 married Harriett Anne Williamson
James Lemon 1842–1870 unmarried
Mary Lemon 1847–
John married in Smithboro and Rachel married in Stonebridge. Both gave their addresses as Killycronaghan. Thomas Lemon and Mary Lemon were the witnesses on John's marriage and Martha Dunwoody and Irwin Martin were the witnesses on Rachel's marriage.
So the question is, who was our David Lemon and how did he connect to the family of David Lemon and Mary Todd? Did Mary Todd die and that David remarry to Mary Patten? I can find no record of a death for either David Lemon in Monaghan.
If it's not the same man, then perhaps he was a nephew. The 1825 tithe applotment books for Killycronaghan list David Lemon and Thomas Lemon (senior and junior). Maybe David (married to Mary Todd) and Thomas junior were brothers and their father was Thomas senior. Thomas junior could be the father of the David Lemon who married Mary Patten. Speculation, of course.
I've done a fair bit of research into the descendants of David Lemon and Mary Todd but I'm still unable to find where we fit in. I'd be very interested in any further information contained in Reverend Samuel Agnew's letters to Emilie Todd Helm which may help us get to the bottom of the Lemon family, at long last.
Both my father and I have done DNA testing with Ancestry, and I match a descendant of James Patten and Rachel Blakeley, and have a close match to a descendant of Isabella Lemon and Thomas Leghorn. I believe Isabella was the daughter of William Lemon and Margaret Leary, and William was the son of David Lemon and Mary Todd, but that still hasn't helped solve this mystery.
I look forward to hearing from anyone with further information about this family. Thank-you.
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I do not deal with ancestry autosomal DNA matches so cannot be of any help there, but hope your AtDNA results have been transferred into ftdna's projects. Please compare your Lemon matches/YDNA results from Family Tree DNA lab, Houston TX. Am sure you have joined your YDNA to the Lemon surname project(s) at ftdna. Work with your volunteer project administrator there -- YDNA testing/haplogroup SNP refinement has greatly advanced but you dont mention YDNA progress-do test and consider Big Y, which then is eligible to advance into YFull's excellent analysis.
Please refer to technologist founder of the YDNA, Todd DNA Project, Terry Todd, of Illinois USA, early scans of these Rev. Samuel Agnew pages (which are owned and held by the Kentucky repository as set forth earlier):
http://74.93.73.41/agnew/page-03.png
Isabella Lemon (4) b1820 m. Thomas Leghorn
http://74.93.73.41/agnew/page-02.png
Matilda Lemon m. ______ Dunwoody and had 10 kids, one of which is Martha Dunwoody, #6 of 10, m. D. McCoy [Nickles, McCrum, some Dunwoodys to America];
2nd child, Wm Lemon m. ______, and had a son David Lemon, ___________________ (no detail on this David...so ?)
Hope you consider and place the Lemon's of Ballymorran as stated on the Ros Davies' pages for County Down as set forth in this thread.
So yes Leghorn/Dunwoody/Lemon/Todd are all tied to my Group 2 YDNA Todd results--so not Group 1 YDNA Todd results (Mary Todd Lincoln line). My old notes refer to "William Lemon's property near Newbliss" --so perhaps you could study this clue. I see that Newbliss also arose in an email I received 3 March 2009 from Richard McMurty, which I quote here:
"By the 1858s, there were only 8 Todd families in Monaghan:
Emyvale-Annagh-Tiravera area: James, Mgt and 3 John’s about 25-30 km from New Bliss
Kilmore: Wm Todd only 11 km from New Bliss
Monghan: Elizabeth about 17 km from Newbliss
The next step for the Monaghan Todds would be to research the tithe records from the 1820s to get a picture of the Todds who remained behind. Then, the next step would be to begin systematically getting the marriage records of Todds in Monaghan from the 1840s and deaths from the 1860s to construct a family tree of the Monaghan Todds. This would not identify Andrew, father of Samuel Rutherford Todd b 1807 but it would show you the family that stayed behind and give a better idea of where in Co Monaghan Andrew came from. Depending on the DNA signature, you might even be able to prove connection to the Monaghan Todds who remained in Ireland. I can find no Todds in Co Monaghan today, but there are few in nearby Co Tyrone and Armagh.
Richard" [Richard McMurtry's email to Toddstown [rootschat], dated March 2009]
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I am also a descendant of the Lemons of Killycronaghan (my father posted earlier on in this thread, but I do all the genealogy research now). We have corresponded with most of the people in this thread in the past.
My 2x great grandmother was Mary Elizabeth Lemon (1868-1911), daughter of John Lemon (1839-1935) and Harriett Anne Williamson (1849-1922). It is this John Lemon who has proven most problematic, as his father was David Lemon and his mother is unknown. Thanks to the civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie site, I have now located deaths for John and Harriett, as well as births for all of their children.
I have obtained a death certificate for a Mary Lemon in Killycronaghan in 1890, aged 85, widow of David Lemon. Her son John was the informant. It is safe to assume that this is our John's mother. It is highly unlikely to be Mary Todd, as she married David Lemon on 15th June 1814 in Killeevan. It is not Martha Jane Hetherington either, as that David Lemon (son of David Lemon and Mary Todd) emigrated to Woodbury, Washington, Minnesota and died there in 1867. Martha remarried to David Marks and died in St Paul, Ramsey, Minnesota in 1905.
So that just leaves Mary Patten. We know that a Mary, the daughter of James Patten and Rachel Blakeley of Stonebridge, married David Lemon. There are baptisms at PRONI for children of David Lemon and Mary Patten in Killycronaghan in the 1830s. So far it looks like their children were:
Thomas Lemon 1832–
Eliza Jane Lemon 1833–1906 unmarried
Isabella Lemon 1833–1898 unmarried
Robert Lemon 1834–
Rachel Lemon 1836–1907 married John Martin
John Lemon 1839–1935 married Harriett Anne Williamson
James Lemon 1842–1870 unmarried
Mary Lemon 1847–
John married in Smithboro and Rachel married in Stonebridge. Both gave their addresses as Killycronaghan. Thomas Lemon and Mary Lemon were the witnesses on John's marriage and Martha Dunwoody and Irwin Martin were the witnesses on Rachel's marriage.
So the question is, who was our David Lemon and how did he connect to the family of David Lemon and Mary Todd? Did Mary Todd die and that David remarry to Mary Patten? I can find no record of a death for either David Lemon in Monaghan.
If it's not the same man, then perhaps he was a nephew. The 1825 tithe applotment books for Killycronaghan list David Lemon and Thomas Lemon (senior and junior). Maybe David (married to Mary Todd) and Thomas junior were brothers and their father was Thomas senior. Thomas junior could be the father of the David Lemon who married Mary Patten. Speculation, of course.
I've done a fair bit of research into the descendants of David Lemon and Mary Todd but I'm still unable to find where we fit in. I'd be very interested in any further information contained in Reverend Samuel Agnew's letters to Emilie Todd Helm which may help us get to the bottom of the Lemon family, at long last.
Both my father and I have done DNA testing with Ancestry, and I match a descendant of James Patten and Rachel Blakeley, and have a close match to a descendant of Isabella Lemon and Thomas Leghorn. I believe Isabella was the daughter of William Lemon and Margaret Leary, and William was the son of David Lemon and Mary Todd, but that still hasn't helped solve this mystery.
I look forward to hearing from anyone with further information about this family. Thank-you.
Not too easy to research Lemons on Lemon thread when it is hijacked by another Surname....
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Please refer to technologist founder of the YDNA, Todd DNA Project, Terry Todd, of Illinois USA, early scans of these Rev. Samuel Agnew pages (which are owned and held by the Kentucky repository as set forth earlier):
http://74.93.73.41/agnew/page-03.png
Isabella Lemon (4) b1820 m. Thomas Leghorn
http://74.93.73.41/agnew/page-02.png
Matilda Lemon m. ______ Dunwoody and had 10 kids, one of which is Martha Dunwoody, #6 of 10, m. D. McCoy [Nickles, McCrum, some Dunwoodys to America];
2nd child, Wm Lemon m. ______, and had a son David Lemon, ___________________ (no detail on this David...so ?)
Thanks very much, that's exactly what I was looking for. Having searched high and low on the internet, I don't think I'd ever have found them. The extra information will hopefully help sort out this Lemon family, and at least rule out the ones that cannot be ours. We are definitely connected to these Lemons because our Lemon ancestors were living in Killycronaghan from at least the 1830s to the mid 20th century.
The dates for the David Lemon, son of William Lemon, don't fit. I believe this David died unmarried in Lisgall, Clones in 1930, aged 83. The informant on his death was Robert Hall, his nephew. Robert was the son of Mary Anne Lemon and Robert Hall.
I believe this William Lemon is the "very old man" called William Lemon mentioned in Reverend Agnew's letters. He died in Killycronaghan on 27th February 1901, aged 87. He was married to Margaret Leary (1825-1909) and the children I have for him correspond with those mentioned in the letters:
John Lemon 1845–1895 unmarried
David Lemon 1847–1930 unmarried
Thomas Lemon c1849–? unknown
Elizabeth Lemon c1850–? unknown
Mary Anne Lemon 1850–1927 married Thomas Hall (1828-after 1911)
Isabella Lemon 1856–after 1911 married Joseph Elliott (1822-1899)
Sarah Jane Lemon 1857–1938 married Robert Williamson (1847-1919)
Martha Lemon 1863–1901 married John McEndoo (1855-?)
Margaret Lemon 1865–1896 unmarried
William Lemon 1868–1922 married Elizabeth Alexander (1882-1961)
It was my great great grandmother who was a Lemon. I am not a Todd or a Lemon by birth, so my Y-DNA wouldn't help.
As David Lemon and Mary Patten (and their descendants) are not mentioned in these letters, I can only assume that it's because we don't descend from Mary Todd, in which case our connection to these Lemons must be a generation further back, possibly through a brother of David's.
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Martha Lemon married John McEndoo, Co Monaghan. They had one son, James W McEndoo b 1899 married Margaret Niblock. They had one son, John Alexander McEndoo (1928-1996) married Mary Copeland. Children of marriage: Lynn b 1954 and David James b 1959, living in Ontario, Canada.
John McEndoo (married Martha Lemon) was the son of James McEndoo my great grandfather.
Lynn is due to visit Co Monaghan again in May 2019.
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Hi - am new to this -but just to let you know my grandfather was Geoff Todd ( George Frederick Todd) and I have a copy of his typewritten work - Todd family Haghill so if I can help anyone in anyway please shout!
I am new to the forum as well. I've been trying to build on my family tree for years but seem to get only so far before my subscription at any given site runs out. I am a Todd and a direct descendant of James Todd b:1809 in Carluke, Lanarkshire, m: 1844 to Sarah Pettigrew (Peticrew) also in Carluke, Lanarkshire where they resided and had seven children before immigrating to Canada sometime after 1863, continuing on to Michigan US some years later where they died and were laid to rest. I have no information for James other than that he was possibly a farmer. I have not been able to find any info for any siblings or parents for James either. Hopefully, finding this site will be the golden goose that need in order to actually find my roots.
Jellytot28 - I'd be eternally grateful if you are able to provide me any information from Geoff's work.
Richard McMurtry, I bow to you and those who have worked with you to assemble and publish the works you've shared, and I would welcome any info or advice you have for me to assist me in finding my ancestors. I did have a DNA test done and can share that info with you if it would be helpful.
If anyone else has information or advice to share, please Reply and or PM me.
Thanks for your time.
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Hello Electcentric and lornanixon6,
I am sorry that your first messages have remained unanswered. Sadly the lady who started off the topic has sadly passed away. Hopefully Jelly and Richard will pick up on this reply.
Regards
Sarah
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Sarah, So sorry to hear that. Thank you for letting me know. :(
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Me too.
R.I.P. Liz.
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Sorry for delay. Re: Todd family Haghill we had a James Todd b.1810
Todd family from Haghill (Carntyne) records we have dating back to 1530 - earliest spelling Tode then Tod. Todd Family grave Glasgow Cathedral. I will keep searching for links as my grandfather did very extensive research.