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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Wigtownshire => Topic started by: marriedwithkids on Friday 24 November 06 20:40 GMT (UK)
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Hi all...
Looking fro info on James & Agnes(neeSmith) Diamond ....they were in Kirkmaiden about 1800 where 1 of their children was born...John Diamond.....it is said they had 7 children but am unsure of where...could some body please check for me.....could you also check to see if they were married in Scotland or it is said they were Irish immigrants.....i am in Australia and it is almost impossible for me to check myself.....i don't have a credit card to use the pay-per-view sites...
thanks all
Vickie
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Hi Vickie
These are the children showing for James and Agnes Smith, from IGI:
1. ANNE DIAMOND Christening: 09 SEP 1802 Kirkmaiden By Drummore, Wigtown, Scotland
2. HUGH DIAMOND Christening: 17 JUN 1786 Kirkmaiden By Drummore, Wigtown, Scotland
3. JAMES DIAMOND Christening: 08 MAR 1793 Kirkmaiden By Drummore, Wigtown, Scotland
4. MARY DIAMOND Christening: 03 MAY 1806 Kirkmaiden By Drummore, Wigtown, Scotland
5. JEAN DIAMOND Christening: 16 OCT 1795 Kirkmaiden By Drummore, Wigtown, Scotland
6. WILLIAM DIAMOND Christening: 14 MAY 1797 Kirkmaiden By Drummore, Wigtown, Scotland
7. JOHN DIAMOND Christening: 17 OCT 1784 Kirkmaiden By Drummore, Wigtown, Scotland
8. JOHN DIAMOND Christening: 14 JUN 1800 Kirkmaiden By Drummore, Wigtown, Scotland
In respect of the two John entries (7/8), likely the first died and they used the name again.
Regards.
Monica
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The earliest birth showing here is 1784 with the first John. Given their birth years,(c. 1750s?) they do not show in the first census that is relevant for genealogical purposes, the 1841 Census.
There is no marriage showing for them on Scotlands People. There is a submitted entry for what looks like their marriage perhaps in Ireland:
ANN SMYTH Marriages:Spouse: JAMES DYMON
Marriage: 29 DEC 1787 Donaghadee, Down, Ireland
Agnes & Ann are variants. The dates are slightly out if they are the same couple given they were already having children in Scotland by 1784. But if the right couple, at least you have some indication as to where they may have come from in Ireland to follow up on.
Monica
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thanks for the info and the quick response...looks very like my family and apparently both were born in Ireland and migrated to Scotland so that sort of fits as well....
Vickie
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Hi marriedwithkids, I am a direct descendant of James and Agnes Diamond and I still live in the Kirkmaiden area of Dumfries and Galloway. I have been researching my family tree, and I came across your post quite by accident, I hope you read this, I dont know how else I can get in touch with you. My maiden name is Diamond.
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Hi,
I am a descendant of John Diamond b.c. 1800 and Margaret McGaw b.c. 1804 their son William is my 2xggrandfather would love to hear from you and what you have discovered re their family
look forward to hearing from you ...kitty 92
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Hi Dolphin and Kitty
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Vickie (marriedwithkids) has not been online here since March 2009 so may not be receiving these messages unfortunately.
Monica
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Hi MOnica,
Thasnks for your response it is good to see someone is looking, I see your helpful information in previous messages and thank you for them, are you connected and if so where do you fit in?please keep in touch I do want to contact Dolphin too as she is a direct desc and lives in the area so I hope she responds sooooon
kind regards
Kitty
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Hi Kitty
No, I am not connected to the families, just helped out earlier with some info. Hopefully you will get a response :)
Monica
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Hi MOnica,
Thasnks for your response it is good to see someone is looking, I see your helpful information in previous messages and thank you for them, are you connected and if so where do you fit in?please keep in touch I do want to contact Dolphin too as she is a direct desc and lives in the area so I hope she responds sooooon
kind regards
Kitty
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Hi Kitty,
Got your message, you say about John Diamond and Margaret, yes they are in my family research but I am a direct descendant of William, son of James and Agnes and William was John's brother. It would be good to hear from you again.
Regards,
Dolphin.
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Hi Kitty,
further to my last post, I thought I'd put in that John had a sister, Mary, who was christened in May 1806 but she died in 1807. I don't know if that is any help to you.
Regards,
Dolphin 53
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Hi Dolphin,
Thanks for replying I am so pleased to hear from you as we are distant cousins same generation? not sure about that but John your Williams brother was my 3xggrandfather. Have you been able to go back any further than James and Agnes? We believe they came over from Ireland, is that your belief as well? Bonus is you live in Scotland. What can you tell me about the family where did they all go? My branch of course went to Australia and NZ via London and West Indies. I have been to Scotland but not since we found they came from Kirkmaiden, one day maybe Ill get there again.
kind regards
Kitty
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hi kitty 92 and dolphin 53 (and "married with children" if she ever logs in again). I'm glad to see a new response to James Diamond & Agnes Smith. Have been waiting! I am also a direct descendant of this couple through their son William Diamond b.1797 and Elizabeth Addies (married 1816) and their son John Diamond b. 1832. This John emigrated to NSW, arrived Sydney Jan. 1857; married Mary Little (from Dumfriesshire) in Sydney, Nov. 1857 and began quite a dynasty in Parramatta/Westmead/ Leichardt areas through daughter Sarah b.1858, and sons John b.1865,and Charles b. 1870 (and there were other children). My mother's maiden name was Diamond, descended from John b.1865.
From my research it seems most probable that James came from Ireland though I have no definite proof. The name has old Irish origins (among others) and the Diamond name certainly expanded rapidly in south-west Scotland between 1800-1850- mainly due to the influx of Irish immigrants with the surname. And the name seems to have been quite rare in Scotland before this time. But it remains a guess. I'm in the UK now, be pleased to help or share info.
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Hi svsurf 02,
Nice to hear from you, you are of the same line as myself by all accounts. my brother, father and grandfather all carried on the name William. I have copies of births deaths and marriages on the Diamond and Addies relationship, it would be interesting to know how far you have got with it all.
That particular William was my gr8 gr8 grandfather. As far as I can gather their son James could possibly have been a doctor, but I want to confirm this.
Look forward to hearing from you again.
Kind regards,
Dolphin 53.
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Hi Dolphin 53, and very nice to hear from you. We are probably not that far apart relative wise, my grandfather and g. grandfather were both William J. Diamond's, both b. Parramatta, Sydney, though we have lost touch with most of the Diamond side. I have obtained a lot of records period extending1784 to the 1950s. Regarding Dr James Diamond (1837-1892) there was always an old family rumour of a past Doctor in the family and I have definitely confirmed this as the youngest son of William Diamond & Eliz. Addies; who married Grace MacKenzie, 1861 (have the record, parents names listed); first trained as a schoolteacher, later Medical Doctor, Glasgow University (I have the records), migrated to NSW about 1883-5 (have a likely record of travel), died Concord, 1892. A few puzzles- Grace either stayed or returned to Glasgow by 1891 (and I've been to her 1891 residence for want of something to do one day when in Glasgow) and died in Glasgow in 1903 (then a Doctor's widow). Grace was definitely the wife of our James, son of William & Elizabeth. It almost certain that James had a son William, who also became a Doctor (Glasgow Uni) and who also travelled to NSW and then settled in Auckland, NZ. There was also another brother to John and Dr. James,who immigrated- and this was older brother William b. 1829, who arrived at about the same time as James, early-mid 1880s. I haven't followed up on the children of Dr James- although I'd like to at some point. Anyway I would be pleased to hear from you again
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Hi Dolphin 53 again, I also meant to say wow, I've wondering for a couple of years if any descendants if James & Agnes, and William & Elizabeth, remained in the Kirkmaiden area. Thought that there probably were a few, but the name doesn't seem very common in the general area of old Wigtownshire. Do you have many known Diamond relatives? Oh yeah, Grace Mackenzie and James Diamond were married in Renfrewshire but later moved back to the area (Stranraer) according to census info. (1871) and this was also near where Grace was supposedly born (maybe Ince??). Also check Census 1881 for Grace ( then Glasgow) although James, then a Dr. was working away at this time.
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hi svsurf 02,
It was good to hear from you, and to confirm for me about the doctor part of it, I thought it was.
Your 2nd post asks about family still in the area, well, I am in the Kirkmaiden area and have been for 33 years, though under my married name, I have an older brother (Diamond) still living in the "Inch" parish of Wigtownshire who has 4 grown up kids all married. I have a younger brother married with 2 grown up kids living in Portpatrick and the youngest brother again married with 2 kids lives approx. 10 miles north of Stranraer, oh and not forgetting an aunt, my fathers sister, in Stranraer itself. Unfortunately I lost my father in August of 1999 and my mother 5 years prior and my eldest brother almost 6 years ago, but yes there are still quite a few of us around the area. I haven't been doing my family tree for very long and due to other stuff going on I haven't done much lately but i hope to continue with it quite soon. but in the meantime I would really like to keep in touch with you, hope you feel the same.
Kind regards,
Dolphin53.
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yes, definitely will keep in touch. Will try to give you a run-down of what I know, family news old and new, and so on. At the moment am a little flat out with work and work, but will sort something out soon. In the meanwhile don't hesitate to get ask whatever.... and I'm really glad I happened to check the website out this week- I had almost forgotten about it and was actually chasing random Diamond name searches out of boredom, while stuck in an office the other day!!
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Hi again svsurf02, thanks for your reply, it really did tickle the tastebuds today, I tried getting more info on my ggg grandfather, William born 1829, (brother of Dr James), he appears to have been a bit of a jack the lad. He partnered a Jessie Rodgers and fathered a son, yet another William my gg grandfather, but I cannot find when he went to Australia, incidently leaving Jessie behind, would you happen to have any more info on that at all, I'd appreciate your help if you had. If and when you are a bit easier at work let me know and I'll give you my email address if you want and perhaps from there could possibly arrange a chat?
Kind regards,
Dolphin53.
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Hi Dolphin and Surf,
Wow this is so fantastic! I have been watching your posts with interest, while dealing with family medical emergencies with both husband and daughter hospitalized a week apart but both now doing well, preventing my contribution.
It appears both our families were settling in Australia at similar times, while my
*William...having married in Sydney in 1860 was settling in NZ, his siblings
*Alexander.......desc in Newcastle today whom I am in touch with
*Margaret...... (m. William Elliot in Sydney 1854) was establishing in NSW
*Sarah.... whilst probably started out in Sydney with husband Richard Russell went to Brisbane, desc I am also in touch with.
I wonder if they knew each other? I am very interested in your Dr William who supposedly came to Auckland where I live and will follow up on as soon as I am able but it may not be for a while as we are going to be on holiday from the 13th for a month, therefore Im rather bogged down with preparations for that. will do my best to get on to it when I get back.
regards
Kitty
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Doplhin and Surf,
Further to my posting:
*Sarah, Richard and 2 sons and her sister *Margaret (19years) arrived in Sydney on the Walmer Castle 1848,
*William and *Alexander were both mariners, before settling down. NOt sure of Alexanders ship but my William was on the Prince Alfred.
Kitty
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Hi Kitty,
Just a quick note for you. you say in an earlier post of a Margaret McGaw, if she was from Kirkmaiden and you have any follow ups on that line I may just have come across some very old photos from about 1900. There were loads of McGaw's in that area at that time though. Any good? Let me know.
Regards.
Dolphin 53
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Hi Dolphin and Kitty, Glad to hear from you Kitty, I am fascinated by your Aussie/NZ connections to John Diamond b. Kirkmaiden 1800. I have very little info about his descendants. From NSW index records I was aware of the Sydney marriage William Diamond and Johanna in 1860 but I hadn't chased it up as a possible family/ Wigtownshire link. Regarding Dr. William Diamond, (son of Dr. James)born Howwood, Renfrewshire, 1864; he was in Victoria, Australia late 1890s, then Sydenham, ChristChurch (not Auckland as I originally said) where he seems to have died in 1918 ( BDM index, plus marked D/C on the medical reg. in 1919).
To Dolphin 53, re. William b. 1829, I cannot find a arrival date into Australia, and didn't suspect him as an immigrant, HOWEVER, I acted on a hunch- there is a 1891 NSW index record for the death of William Diamond, parents listed as "William and Elizabeth". I ordered this and its says "William Diamond of Wigtownshire, Scotland.... aged 61yrs ...in the colonies approx. 7 years; Occupation, Stonemason; parents William & Elizabeth Diamond". The informant was his "brother John Diamond of Ferris St, Annandale, Sydney" (Im sure the same who immigrated in 1857). Unlike brother John who was subsidised William probably arrived as a free and fee paying settler, which meant his travel records were very basic/poor. It also says he had 2 former wifes!!! a Helen Cairns & Ann Smart. Unfortunately no children are listed although I know of one, James, from the 1861 Scottish Census, when residing at Stranraer with William Snr & Eliz. Hope info. useful
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Hi again Dolphin and Surf,
I have photographs of William, Sarah and Alexander as well as their mother Margaret (MCGAW), (unfortunately none of John Diamond), which I will scan and send when I get a chance, you may see a family resemblance.
Johanna Thomson (b. 1836 Glasgow...father James transported 1836, Moffatt) and William Diamond m. 1860, moving to NZ they lived in Nelson for about 6 years then moved to Rockville Collingwood on the banks of the Aorere river in Golden Bay where William mined his goldminers claim, they had 9 children (including one of Johannas from a previous marriage in Sydney). William and Johanna were both literate and could read and write. Good on the Scots! They both died in old age Rockville. A record of both their lives have published.
Would love to see any photos either of you have. Must go as I have much to do.
regards
Kitty
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Hi Doplphin and Surf,
2 photos attached Margaret (McGaw) Diamond wife of John c. 1800
and Sarah dau of Margaret c. 1824
Kitty
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William and Johanna Diamond my 2xgrandparents......Kitty
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Here it is sorry but had to reduce the size before it would send.....Kitty
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Last one Alexander brother to Sarah and William..Kitty
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hi Kitty, sorry for the delay -was away for a week and then intended to check out your William (who married in Sydney 1860) and other NSW & Wigtownshire records. Unfortunately haven't as yet had time. Must say your photos are absolutely stunning. I don't have anything to match but am still chasing.
Wondering if you have more details/ records re. William's of arrival in Sydney and also of his marriage.
To Dolphin 53, would like to get in touch/ have a chat, am in the uk for a lengthy period, have a heap of records and info at hand.
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I may be far off... most likely am. I have ancestors who were born in Ireland, lived in Scottland then moved to Pennsylvania. Any chance there is a relationship? I am stumped. Not finding anything.
Michael Diamond 1799 Ireland... married to Catherine
son...John Diamond 1851 born in Scottland married to Mary Diamond from Ireland
My grandfather is their son Daniel A Diamond 1896 married to Catherine McPartland in PA.
any guidance would be great
Thank you
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Hi to all.
I've just come across you chat room and realised that I too am related to this family. My connection is via John Diamond (born 1832) - son of Eliabeth Addis and William Diamond (christened 1797). My line goes via his daughter Sarah Jane Diamond, born 17th September 1858.
I have learned quite a bit from your chat room already, because I had only tracked down to date that Sarah's parents were John and Elizabeth Diamond. I would be interested in tracking down some of those earlied bdm's to compliment my research to date and look forward to hearing from you.
I love the photographs. :)
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Hi Rockland 15, was your ancestor the Sarah J. Diamond born Braidwood district, NSW, 1858, d. 1934 in Sydney; married a John McMillan at Rookwood, Sydney 31 July 1884; had about 8 children. I'm guessing it is (but parents John Diamond and Mary Little). I have some info.and will happily provide- although I must apologise to some of the other correspondents for me not maintaining contact over the past few months (work and other diversions have seriously intervened)
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Dear svsurf02,
My relative was the very same Sarah J Diamond, born in Braidwood. I'm looking forward to hearing from you.
Elizabeth
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hi Rockland15, you have probably worked out my descent from the messages posted on this site- but briefly it is from your Sarah's father John Diamond who landed in Sydney, January 1857 on the Matoaka (parents William Diamond & Elizabeth Addies of Wigtonshire) and married Mary Little in November 1857. Mary was an immigrant from Langholm, Dumfries, immigrated 1853, followed by her younger sister Jane Little (later Charlesworth) in August 1857, just in time to be a witness at Mary's wedding. My ancestor is son John born Sydney, 1865 (married Mary Ann Cole in 1887) leading to son William James born Parramatta, 1888, followed by his son William John in 1910, his daughter Lorna in Sydney, 1932... and so on.
I knew from records of your Sarah being born in the Braidwood area in 1858 and thought how this was unusual and quite a pioneering venture for John & Mary. Of course they were back in Sydney by 1860 (Chippendale/ Annandale area, later Rookwood, later Norval St Auburn). I have a July 1884 newspaper marriage notice for Sarah Diamond of Rookwood to John McMillan (son "of Rev. Henry McMillan of Glasgow,Scotland). Her children, I think (from my notes) were John, James, Sarah, Elsie M, Mary, Florence E, Jessie, Laura J. but you may need to correct me.
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Dear SVSurf02,
For some reason I hadn't identified Sarah as a child of Sarah Diamond and John McMillan, but the rest you are aware of. My line is via Elsie May McMillan. She married Andrew William Williams, who came to an unfortunate end being exposed to mustard gas, whilst working on the wharves in Sydney and committing suicide after the event. My mother was very young at the time , but can still remember the incident and the family's reaction. Looking through inquest papers there seems to be alot of unanswered questions to me about what happened. John Williams, was one of Elsie and Andrew's sons. He was my grandfather.
Have you visited the diamond gradesite at rookwood? There is a great headstone with many family members in the same grave. I have photos it you haven't.
I would be interested in seeing the 1884 marriage notice of Sarah Diamond and John McMillan. I don't know anything about the McMillan family yet, so was surprised to see they were from a a religious family
Elizabeth Thompson
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Elizabeth, have tried once to send the newspaper notice twice but it failed- seems to be too large, being one of several notices in a column. Will try another way. And by the way I've made a mistake about the Reverend- though John was "the third son of the late Henry McMillan of Glasgow, Scotland". And no I've never been to Rookwood although my grandmother, I'm sure, was familiar. She did by the way know an Elsie Diamond- a cousin or perhaps niece of your Elsie.
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I have a DIAMOND link as my Grandmother was a DIAMOND born in Stranraer, Wigtownshire.
I have a belief that John DIAMOND born to William & Elizabeth DIAMOND around 1832 is my GGGrandfather.
As a matter of interest when looking through the 1881 Census for Yorkshire, England
In the 1881 Census I found
43 Church St, Halifax, York, England - Crown Hotel - Spirit Vaults:
DIAMOND James 44 Male Wigtonshire, Scotland: Boarder: Occ: Doctor Of Medicine
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The grave for William DIAMOND & Elizabeth ADDIS is in Stranraer's Sheuchan Cemetery. (Wigtownshire, Scotland)
The Memorial Inscription reads as follows:
Erected in memory of Elizabeth ADDIS wife of William DIAMOND who died 22nd Feby 1872 aged 84 years. Also Ann their daughter who died 9th May 186(5) aged (4)7 years. And the above William DIAMOND who died 29th Sept 1877 aged 80 years. Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord.
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Hi
Found this site by acident and was interested in the Agnes and James correspondence. My husband Michael Diamond is also a direct descendant of James Diamond (1764) via son William (1797), his son John (1832), his son John (1865), his son John (1890) and his son Stephen (1925) who is still alive and well. We live in Darwin Australia and are heading over to the UK, including Scotland in August this year. We are planning on spending sveral days in the Wigtownshire area and were interested if any of the Diamond relatives were still there? Also any pointers on exploring the area, we have names of relevant farms, cemeteries churches etc.
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Hi Darwin Diamonds,
We are of the same line of Diamonds, and still in the Kirkmaiden area, I have quite a bit of the family tree back to James and Agnes, and got stuck there, as there doesn't seem to be any trace back to, we believe Ireland, it would be really nice to meet you when you come over and perhaps we could show you round. I was born here and stayed, so know the area very well. Look forward to hearing from you again, Regards Dolphin 53
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Hi Dolphin 53
Great to hear from you. We are heading over to the UK in early August and plan to drive around for a month or so. We were including a week in Ireland and planned to return to Scotland on the ferry into Stranraer, which I gather is around the area where the Diamonds reside. Would be great to catch up as we were planning on visiting many of the places named in histories. I should be able to narrow down the dates soon and will let you know. Thanks for replying and hopefully we will see you soon
Cheers Darwin Diamonds
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Hi Dolphin53
Looking like being in your area around the 27/28th August and staying for a few day so would be great to catch up. Not too sure how to get an email or other contact means via this site/ ?
Re your William Diamond do you have any idea roughly when he came to Australia, have found several William Diamonds immigrating over many years? Happy to explore further
Janice
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RE : DIAMONDS
In my family tree the Diamonds come through my mother's family. The majority of my family originated in Wigtownshire. I have researched the line but must admit that I cannot make any sense of it, however here goes. Strangely, I have William Diamond's wife named Elisabeth Eadies, pair married around 1820, 9 children, youngest Ann B 6/10/1817. From then on I am confused. My line appears to me to look like -
GF5 John Diamond + wife Elizabeth Caldwell
GF4 William Diamond + Sarah Wood - natural son John Diamond?
GF3 John Diamond + wife, Mary Lavery
GM2 Mary Diamond + husband, John Walker
GM Mary Walker + husband John Cuthill
M Mary Diamond Cuthill + Ian Cooper from the Lochans near Stranraer.
I have John & William as masons.
Can anyone see the path through this maze? Have I misread the timeline, are John & William actually brothers? Have I missed out a generation.
Any information regarding the above would be welcome. Regards, Colin.
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Hi Colin,
I am sorry but the two replies to "marriedwithkids" posts have sadly not researched the user sadly because their email address has sadly stopped working :-\
You may wish to start off a new topic on your Diamond family to see if you can get some fresh leads.
Regards
Sarah :)
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Hi, Just came across this post. I'm not sure how helpful this is however John and Janet Diamond were witnesses to the marriage of my grandparents in 1900, in Creebridge, Newton Stewart so I assume they were good friends.
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Hi Cloin
Saw your post, yes agree your timeline looks a bit confusing. William Diamond married Elizabeth Addies in 1816.
They had two John Diamonds (gather first one deceased and reused name)
John Diamond (1832-1919) immigrated to Australia and was married to Mary Anne Little -so he doesn't fit into your info as you had a John marrying an Elizabeth Caldwell???
John did have brother William (1829-1891) however he also immigated to Australia though did have a previous marriage (Helen Cairns)and another relationship (Jessie Rogers) prior to coming to Australia- so again not liking up with your info.
I do like a mystery so i'll have a look around yo see if I can find a link and let you know