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Some Special Interests => One Name Studies => One Name Studies: N to S => Topic started by: Brian on Monday 23 February 04 10:05 GMT (UK)
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I am collecting information on Saunders family members primarily in Norfolk and Suffolk with over 6000 on my database. Happy to exchange information and to receive any snippets to add to it from Saunders descendants. Still a long way to go but I am continually adding to it, any help gratefully received!
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Hello Brian
Any use? 3xg.grandfather RICHARD SAUNDERS born
1811 Kent.
1861-1881 census living at Dudley Worcs.
Jacqueline.
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:)Thanks for that Jaqueline I'll add it to the out of County list. You never know when someone may be interested.
Brian ;D
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Brian
I also have a couple of Saunders in my Tree.
Annie Florence Saunders - B 1914 - London
John Saunders - B 1880 - London
Any use?
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Hi Rob
I certainly would be interested if they have Norfolk/ Suffolk antecedants. ;)
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Not sure if they have any for Norfolk/Suffolk but will let you know if I find out anything
Rob
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Hi! Brian
I have the following Saunders so hope they are of some help.
Emma SAUNDERS Bpt. 4.4.1852 married Joseph PAXFORD 16.4.1870 at Henley, Oxford.
Emma's parents were John SAUNDERS (a Thatcher) and Anne BELCHER from Berkshire who were marrid 24.11.1845.
John's father was also John a Thatcher.
Good Luck
Regards
Christmack
10/1/2005
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A bit off track I know but I have a seven generation SAUNDERS tree starting in Tetsworth and Thame in Oxfordshire in 1738. It spreads out to Windsor, Winslow Bucks and Sandy in Bedfordshire.
Message me if it is of interest.
David
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David
Thank you for your message and, yes I would be interested in that Saunders tree that you mentioned as Oxford is the area that my family seemed to hail from.
My e.mail address is (*)
Christmack
29/12/2005
(*) Moderator Comment: e-mail removed, to avoid spamming and other abuses. Please use the PM system for exchanging personal data.
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Hi
I have Saunders who interchanged with Alexander in Bacton, Suffolk e.g. my ancestor Osborne was both Saunders and Alexander at different times as were other members of the family. Then they seemed to become Alexander.
Good luck
Heywood
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Hi:
I have a lot of SANDERS, from mostly the London area.
Is this a connection or with a different spelling maybe not.
Thanks,
Gail
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I have Saunders who interchanged with Alexander in Bacton, Suffolk
Have you seen the new novel "Lydia" based on a Saunders family in that area? It gives a really good flavour of ordinary life at the time.
Brian
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Brian
Re Lydia - I haven't seen it but had heard about it when it was in the pipeline some time ago and have now looked it up on the internet. I will now send for it.
I'm sure that the author's wife had Alexander ancestry because we spoke several years ago when I first began my interest in genealogy (oh what a journey!!) As I said in my previous posts the Saunders/Alexanders becaem wholly Alexanders by mid 1800s, I'm fairly sure.
I have wondered why there was the interchange- do you have any knowledge? I know that the first name Alexander is shortened to Sandy in Scotland but why this in Suffolk?
Just another mystery to add to the pile of unsolved!
Thanks for letting me know about Lydia.
Yours
Heywood
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Thank you for the heads up on the book, is it out on the shelves or where does one find it.
Thanks
Gail
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http://www.stowmarket-history.co.uk/books_about_cotton.htm
Here is the information
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Thank you Heywood, are your Sanders/Saunders from the London area too??? or just Suffolk/Norfolk
Thanks,
Gail
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My own line was Suffolk to mid 1830s and then Lancashire- sorry. Lots did move out about then so some possibly to London. They were Bacton, Wyverstone.
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I have wondered why there was the interchange- do you have any knowledge? I know that the first name Alexander is shortened to Sandy in Scotland but why this in Suffolk?
Just another mystery to add to the pile of unsolved!
It seems to happen more in some parts of the country than in others. I have come across the same family being Sanders/Saunders/Alexander or Saunderson in a few parishes although I had always assumed it was a cross between a local accent and an accident of spelling (after all some people are still not very good at it now we have standardized spellings!). It can make life difficult if the Saunders in one parish were prolific. Generally I take down all incidents from each parish of the possible spellings to see if any equate to the same people. You can see how it happens when a family removes to another area or even county where there is a difference in dialect. I hope you enjoy reading Lydia as much as I did.
Brian
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Our Saunders/Sanders can be traced back to Matthew Sanders born about 1320 in Charlwood Surrey - later our branch moved to Ewell, Surrey, and later to Pembrokeshire. Could there be a link with the Norfolk branch?
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Of course there is always the possibility that members of a family moved to other areas of the country. There are connections with Wales as I seem to remember that some gravestones in Dickleburgh to the Saunders have a welsh inscription around the edge. The family show no sign of being from Wales in all the Censuses so they may well have distant relations there.
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Hi
A rather long shot mebbee
Thomas Saunders baptised East Peckham Kent 1825
For all I know there could be a connexion waiting to be explored
Thanks
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I'm still searching (7yrs) for bapt/birth of my 3xg.grandfather RICHARD SAUNDERS born c.1811 Kent.
Have just seen the ALEXANDER name mentioned,and
started to wonder whether this could have any connection,
as his son's christian name was Alexander, also a daug.
Julia (not that common a name)
Richards occupation-whitesmith.
A long shot,but you never know!
Jackie.
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Hello Jackie
Sorry I have no information in my database. I note the IGI has a marriage between Richard SANDERS and Margaret Gibbs on 30 Jul 1811 at Saint Mary Lewisham Kent, I wonder whether this may be a clue for you?
regards
Brian
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My Saunders/Sanders line originated in Wiltshire County ca 1590s.
Please send me a PM if you are interested.
yn9man
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I have Saunders who emigrated (as convicts or free settlers: unknown) to Australia but not exactly sure where from:
John SAUNDERS
M to: Ann WOOD
Child of the Above:
John SAUNDERS
B: 1 July 1826 - Hobart, Tasmania, Australia
M to: Alice RANSLEY (B: 6 July 1839 - New Norfolk, Tasmania, Australia)
D: 17 Jan 1912
Perhaps there is a link.
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Hello, it is difficult to say! I see from the IGI that the marriage was
21 MAR 1826 Hobart Town, Tasmania, Australia
I haven't done research in Australia but wonder if the original entry might have more information for you - perhaps fathers name? Otherwise the way forward would be to try and find ships records.
regards
Brian
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HI,I HAVE A LYDIA MARIA SAUNDERS,1845 KENT.FATHER WAS CHARLES.LYDIA MARRIED IN 1862 IN SOUTHWALK SURREY WORTH A TRY?
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Hello ricoba
Your Lydia's family appear in Erith in 1851. Her father is 29 a bricklayers labourer from Chislehurst in Kent so not an East Anglian connection there. Sorry.
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Hello, it is difficult to say! I see from the IGI that the marriage was
21 MAR 1826 Hobart Town, Tasmania, Australia
I haven't done research in Australia but wonder if the original entry might have more information for you - perhaps fathers name? Otherwise the way forward would be to try and find ships records.
regards
Brian
Thanks for that. I'm not researching this line at the moment, as they aren't direct ancestors (more like 1st cousins a couple times removed, and then there great grandparents or something lol). One day I might pursue this further but, till then, keep me posted with any connections found.
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Hi there,
I have a Herbert SAUNDERS who married an Elizabeth ING (or INGS) sometime before 1897 (when their first child, Louis Herbert SAUNDERS) was born.
My Herbert's father was also (apparently) Herbert, possibly married to a MECER or MERCER, she might have died in 1924.
Apparently they came from Wiltshire, but I've not found them there, might have found Elizabeth or Eliza INGS, but not Herbert SAUNDERS. Might possibly have found them on 1881 Census on IGI in Lancashire, but need to verify with at least one other source before I'm sure of that!
Not sure if it's any interest in terms of the area covered by the topic, might be, IF he hailed from Norfolk or Suffolk, but I'm still trying to find out where he came from!
Does anyone have my Saunders family in their lists???
Regards,
P.
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Hello stannarp
Have you Louis Herbert's birth certificate?
Of not the way forward is obviously through the parents marriage certificate. As Louis appears in the 1901 Census as a British Subject born in South Africa I wonder if that is where the answer will be
Otherwise do you know when and where Herbert died? This would enable you to get his certificate, work out his birth date and that will narrow the search down considerably. You do seem very sketchy on details, and to offer further help/advice it would be helpful to post further details.
Cheers
Brian
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Hi Brian,
Thanks for the feedback. Unfortunately I don't have Louis Herbert's birth certificate, he died in 1966 according to NAAIRS. His younger sister Dorothy Phyllis was my grand-mother, she married Robert Nelson Stannard.
Herbert and Elizabeth Saunders died in KwaZulu Natal and are buried in Vryheid, South Africa, him in 1923, she in 1954... I've seen their graves. Elizabeth Saunders' death record lists her as having been born in 1884, which makes her about 13 when Louis Herbert Saunders was born in 1897, which is young even for the time, unless the date on her death record is wrong! Am currently waiting for my folks next visit so that they can bring the photo my dad took - then I'll have more information than I have now. My dad is also going to bring his mother's birthday book, and whatever else he has, which will give me names, etc to compare to for all the Herbert Saunders listings I've found so far! I THINK Herbert Saunders may have been an engineer of some description, there are 'family stories' about bridges he built here in Pietermaritzburg, but I've never been able to find out more about them, or him...no useful records on him in NAAIRS applying for extra labour, etc the way there are for my Stannard ancestor!
The Saunders side has been the most difficult to trace so far, as my father is very sketchy on his mother's parents origins, etc. It was far easier to trace the Stannard side with similarly sketchy information as it is a less common name!
How did you find Louis Herbert in the 1901 census, I'm pretty sure I looked, but couldn't find any of the Saunders family, but I might have been looking for Rose and Stannard at the time also :-) Do you have a listing for him or his family for the 1901 census by any chance?
Thanks for the feedback, if I find that they are in any way relevant to the Saunders you're building a database of, I'll definitely let you know!
Regards,
Patricia
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Hello Patricia
The reference for the 1901 Census is RG13/1954/71/12 sch no 66
34 Green Croft Street St Edmund Salisbury Wiltshire
Mary Ann Ings Head Wid 54 b Homington Wiltshire
Mable May Dau 10 Salisbury
Lizzie Saunders Dau M 30 Salisbury
Herbert Street Nephew S 20 Shop Assistant Homington Wil
Louis Saunders Gson 3 South Africa British Subject (Cape)
In 1891 The Ings family are at RG12/1620/79/2 sch no 14
The same address as 1901
Louis Ings H M 44 Bricklayer b Salisbury
Mary A 44
Annie 15
William 9
Mabel 6 weeks
There is a possibility that Elizabeth (21) is in Bournemouth as a servant with an Emily (23) who is born in Homington
This would narrow the marriage search to just (!) 10 years
Hope that helps
Cheers
Brian
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Hi Brian,
Thanks so much for the info, most appreciated! You've given me a direction for the Ings family, which is really great, as you say, now I have a 10-year window period to find the marriage, which is better than I had before, and I can probably start looking in Salisbury, or maybe Bournemouth!
Ethel Herbert Saunders, I found last night, was ACTUALLY Herbert Ethey Saunders... go figure! Now I've got a more accurate idea of who I'm looking for, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to battle to find him, as Herbert Ethey Saunders would have come up in any of my searches for Ethel Herbert Saunders... There's an Ethey Saunders in the right time-frame in Wiltshire as well, but I need to do some more research before I conclude that he's the same person!
Thanks again for the help!!!
Patricia
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The Plot Thickens!
Dec quarter 1874 Easington Durham
Abel Saunders marries Ellen Mercer
so is Ethey Ellen's son adopting the name Saunders? ???
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Hi Brian,
Thanks for all the efforts, sorry for the late reply, had a race yesterday and wasn't wildly keen on hitting the laptop afterwards...
The plot DOES thicken indeed, amazing what you start to find out when you really start digging...! I'll see where I can go with that thread.
I wonder if Abel Saunders didn't 'adopt' Ethey? Anyway, that is something I'll need to look into when I get the stuff my dad has! If that were the case, I'd need to look into the Mercers to find out where she came from, instead of Saunders...goody (really!) a whole new project for sometime!
I've also had a topic posted on the Wiltshire board, and had a lot of useful information from there, and will certainly keep you posted as I find anything.
I have managed to establish that Herbert Ethey Saunders married Elizabeth Ings in Cape Town, I'm assuming in the 1890's somewhere; my dad remembered that much after a bit of prompting with names, etc. Amazing how much information people forget they had until they get a prompt, isn't it?!
Apparently, BTW, Elizabeth Saunders (nee Ings) was sent back to England during the Anglo-Boer War, which explains her presence on the 1901 census! Herbert Ethey fought in the war, apparently as a Regimental Sgt. Major in Methuen's Light Infantry. I'm living in EXACTLY the right place to do Anglo-Boer War research (Pietermaritzburg), and have a number of contacts with our Museum Services as I'm their IT consultant, so I'll do a bit of digging there, which will also be interesting!
Thanks again for all the help,
Regards,
Patricia
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Patricia
It's good that things are starting to come together. Do let me know how you get on,
kind regards
Brian
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Hi Brian,
Just a quick update...thanks for all the help!
My dad brought his address books and photo's, etc with him this weekend.
One of the birthday books was a most useful one...come to think of it, they all were, but this one was particularly useful regarding Herbert Ethey Saunders and the Ings family, as it was Elizabeth Ings' birthday book. The first few pages were a 'family tree' of sorts...
It confirmed that I have the correct Ings family, and that Ethey and Elizabeth were (in fact) married in Cape Town, although they obviously met in England...she had an entry stating that "Ethey Herbert Saunders sailed to Africa, Cape Town January 22 1890, arrived February 23rd 1890". They married in Cape Town in November 1893. There isn't much about either the Saunders or the Mercer family in here at first glance, but I'll have a more thorough look in weeks to come.
It seems that he was a 'larger than life person' of many talents. He was a market gardener, who abandoned his gardens (which were on the site of the current Wanderers Cricket Ground in Jhb, and sent his wife back to England, to fight for the English in the Anglo-Boer War (in KwaZulu Natal), there are some fascinating photo's of him with his regiment during the war. Afterwards, he settled in Vryheid, Natal, with Elizabeth. There is a rumor that he designed the gardens for the Royal Palace Gardens in Bangkok, Siam at some point, although I have NO way to verify that one. In all his pics he looks like a person who enjoyed life to the full! He died in 1923.
So, even though he wasn't BORN a Saunders, he carried the name through all sorts of things and passed it on to his 2 of his surviving children...
There you have it, now I'm on to researching other exciting things, and going through all the birthday books and photo albums for names, etc!
Thanks again for all your help, most appreciated!
Regards,
Patricia
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Hi to all Saunders researchers :D
Here is my story
Percy William Saunders b.1872? Essex m. Mary Elizabeth ?
They lived and worked in Watton(hairdressers)
My grandmother was Irene Mary Frances Saunders.
Irene brother Ernest f Saunders b. abt 1899 Watton
sister Gladys m Saunders b.abt. 1898 Watton
The rest is still a mystery but always hoping ;D
Maxine
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Have sent you a PM Maxine.
Brian
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Hi Brian,As part of my extended tree I have a Saunders family back to 1800 in Reading.They moved to Hook , Battersea and South end on Sea.The name Montague as a christian name seems to be associated.Would this be of any interest to you?
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Hi there, I have a few links with Heywood and maybe Brian.
I have;
Thomas Saunders 1671 (Bacton, Suffolk) marries Mary Bullene (1675),
their son,
Thomas Saunders 1697, married Marth Rice and had another,
Thomas Saunders 1740 who marries Margaret Osborn.
Their children were mostly Alexander from there on.
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Hi Jim,Thanx for replying. I don't recognize those names.Just wondering.Have you joined Ancestry? have my tree on there.If not I can send you a personal message with my email address so that we can compare notes.
Regards Dorothy
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Hi Dorothy, Feel welcome to contact me.
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Hi Jim,
Welcome to Rootschat. That does look interesting. My links are through Osborne son of Thomas Alexander and Margaret Osborne.
regards
heywood
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I am researching Saunders from Caston and Stow Bedon area of Norfolk and would be very interested in any you may have from this area, 1700s & 1800s, please.
Many thanks - margaretmarion
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Hi Brian,not sure if you are still researching this line.
gggf - James Saunders (senior) 1784-1850 (surgeon in Foulsham,Norfolk. 1810-1850)
married Sarah Whitaker 1784-1852.They had two sons,Charles (below) and James Saunders (junior)Solicitor of Dereham,Yaxham,Wendling & mileham.
ggf - Charles Saunders (surgeon & apothecary in Foulsham) 1814? - 3.11.1865
married Sarah Case 1853 and produced four sons,Edward James(who died aged 15mths),Charles,William John(emigrated to America)and James Case.
gf- James Case Saunders. ? - 1938 of Foulsham,married Anne Emma Shaw (died 1955)they had one son
f -Leslie Algernon Saunders 1902-1984.married Joanna Ryalls.Produced one son and one daughter
Me - Richard Case Saunders
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To anyone who is interested this is the line I have for my Saunders.
Samuel b.1800 M.Mary Hopkins(of Berkshire) Lived Reading
John b.1821 M. Hannah Carey (of Hampshire) Lived Hook Hampshire
Henry b.1853 M. Elizabeth Mileham (of Dorset) Lived Bassingstoke,Battersea
Ernest b.1877 M.Maud Gunning) of the Curragh Ireland) Lived Battersea,Portsmouth,Wandsworth
Ernest b.1900 M. Louisa Earring(of Camberwell) Lived South End on Sea
Leonard b.1929
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Replying to the query regarding Margaret Osborne. I have a Margaret Osborne born circa 1770/72, baptised Stow Bedon, Norfolk, daughter of Robert Osborne & Mary. Any takers?
Thanks - Margaretmarion ;) ;) ;)
PS - still searching for more Saunders Information, please, in Caston, Stow Bedon, area of Norfolk.