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I am researching Fanny Ellen Gibson who married Frederick Ellerton. I have found their marriage on freebmd in 1872. According to 1881 census one of their daughters was aged 14 (Annie E) and another daughter Alice aged 11. On 1871 census Fanny is unmarried and a visitor in the household of an Elizabeth Jewitt? in Hedon. I am wondering if Frederick was married before Fanny or whether they had children out of wedlock! I can't find another marriage for Frederick on freebmd so would appreciate it if someone could find Frederick on 1871 census to see if he has a 'wife' living with him. He was born in 1846 in Etton, near Beverley but daughter Annie was born in Sproatley and Alice in Hedon. On 1881 family living in Hedon.
With many thanks.
Zephyr
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In 1871 Frederick is living with his brother george in Hedon..full details to follow
Joe
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1871-Hedon
RG10/4778-27-16
Souter Gate (looks like)
Frederick T Ellerton 25 head b Elton Cordwainer
George F " 16 Brother b Sproatley App Painter
Joe
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Hi Zephyr
Doesnt look like he had been married before
1861-Hedon
RG9/3579-5-4
Augustone Gate
William Foster 26 head b Hedon Cordwainer
Sarah A " 29 wife b "
Lucy " 1 dau b "
Frederick T Ellerton 15 Apprentice b Sproatley App Cordwainer
Robert Hyde 36 visitor b Hedon Stock Keeper
Joe
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Hi Joe
Thank you for that information, which leaves me up in the air! Where are Anne Elizabeth and Alice???? Is there any chance you can do a search for them on 1871. According to freebmd they were born in 1867 and 1869 respectively and 1881 census gives their places of birth as Sproatley and Hedon respectively. My other thought was that they were Gibsons but on freebmd they are definitely Ellertons.
If you can help further it would be great.
Best wishes.
Zephyr
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PS: Thank you for 1861 info - do you happen to have 1851 census access. The only info I have on Frederick is from the censuses so have no idea of his parents.
Sorry to ask so much. If you can't help don't worry I will put a request on the board.
With many thanks.
Janet
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Sorry Zephyr...Ive just rechecked the 1871 and Frederick is listed as a Widow I dont know how i missed it ???
Joe
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Hi again Ive found Anne Elizabeth in 1871 with Fredericks parents will post details in a moment
Joe
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1871-Hessle-Yorkshire
RG10/4776-36-18
South Gate
ELLERTON
William Wilson 54 head b Darley-Yorkshire Groom
Margaret 51 wife b Sproatley
Frances Jane 14 dau b "
Augustas 11 son b "
Anne Elizabeth 4 Grandaughter b Sproatley
Joe
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I think this could be Alice In 1871 in the same street(Gate) as Frederick.
1871-Hedon
RG10/4778-4-2
St Augustine Gate
George Johnson 48 head b Boston-Lincs Lab
Jane " 48 wife b Huntington-Yorks
Benj 19 son b Hedon
James 9 son b "
Alice Ellington 2 Nurse Child b Hedon
Joe
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Here is Frederick in 1851
1851-Peterborough-Northamptonshire
HO107/1747-574-13
Longthorpe
ELLERTON
William W 33 Head b Derbywisk-Yorks Groom(servant)
Margaret 32 wife b Sproatley
Frederick Thos 5 son b Etton
Alfred William 2 son b Hull
Joe
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There is a marriage in Sculcoates in 1867 which could tie in with Anne Elizabeths birth
Frederic Thomas Ellerton
Others on page
John Hunter
Rachel Brocklebank
Sarah Acey
Ive had a look at a couple of cencus and possibly found John Hunter married to a Rachel that would fit the above so I wonder if he married Sarah Acey
Joe
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Found this death which fits perfectly
Sculcoates-Yorkshire
Sarah Ellerton b 1847 died 1870 Dec Q
Vol 9d Page 89
Joe
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Hi Joe
You have been busy! I have been searching freebmd and found the death of a Sarah Ellerton aged 23 which, as you say, fits in with Alice's birth. I am presuming that Sarah probably died in childbirth. As you had found Anne with a William and Margaret Wilson I thought they might be Frederick's in-laws so I have been looking for a marriage of a Sarah Wilson with Frederick but had no luck. Marriage of Frederic and Sarah Acey is certainly worth further investigation so thank you very much indeed for that lead.
Thank you also for 1851 census information regarding Frederick's parents - that was very helpful. I can now do some digging in that direction.
I can't thank you enought for all your help. It is very much appreciated. I can see quite a few late nights coming up!!
With best wishes.
Janet
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William and Margarets surname is Ellerton...Wilson is Williams middle name.
Joe
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Doooh!!!! Only realised it myself when I reread my posts - could kick myself for wasting my own time. :-[ It's not as if you'd put the word ELLERTON in small print!!! I'm a dozy so'n so at times.
Thank you again Joe for all your help.
Regards.
Janet
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Hi Janet,
I've just registered with Rootschat and came across your 2006 postings about the Ellerton families. Please refer to my ELLERTON website for full details of your tree back to 1744:
http://ellerton.hostcell.net/Trees/Matthew1744.htm
You could also join the "Ellerton forum" that I set up to contact other Ellerton researhcers!
Regards, Bob (now living in Turkey)
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Hello Bob
Thank you for contacting me. I will certainly check out your website on the Ellerton family. You've obviously spent a lot of time on your research having got back to 1744.
Hope you're enjoying life in Turkey!
With many thanks.
Kind regards.
Janet
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Hi Janet,
I should have pointed out that I am not (as yet) part of the "Matthew 1744 tree". My own "John 1630 tree" goes back to circa 1630. Both John and Matthew come from the same part of Yorkshire, but so far no positive links between the families have been made.
I have contacted, or should I say been contacted by, dozens of people connected to the Matthew 1744 tree, hence the extensive work done on this tree. I would be happy to put you in contact with those who have close links to your branch.
And yes, I love Turkey!!
Regards, Bob
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I didn't see your post before, but probably have a lot of info I could give you on those families. I've noticed some spelling errors coming up as I read through the thread. Frederic Ellerton was spelt without a K on the end. It was Souttergate, not as listed, I think Southgate or some such thing.
There is probably some missing info I could supply, as I've been researching the Ellertons for some time - my husband's family - and these are his direct ancestors. Bob has a lot of it on his website, but I have a lot more in my files.
Cheers,
Diane
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William and Margarets surname is Ellerton...Wilson is Williams middle name.
Joe
Hi I have looked at the parish registers for Danby Wiske and also the IGI for Yorkshire and Wilson Ellerton is his birth name not William Wilson Ellerton. I think he added on the name William for whatever reason.
Peter
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Hello Peter
It's amazing how they used to change their names in years gone by! I did find Wilson Ellerton's christening on the IGI but not of course a William Wilson Ellerton but thank you for confirming the name. I have an ancestor whose name on her birth certificate is Judith but she married as a Julia and on censuses she is Julia, but then again this is the Irish side of my family!
Thank you again for checking Wilson's details.
Kind regards.
Zephyr
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1 – Frederic Thomas Ellerton spelled his name without a –k- on the end. I have his birth certificate.
2 – He married Sarah Acey in 1867 and they had two girls, Anne Elizabeth and Alice M.
3 – Sarah died in 1870. He then married Fanny Ellen Gibson in 1872 and they had 9 children.
4 – The first child, Albert, born in 1872, only lived just over 3 months, dying early in 1873.
5 – The 2nd child, Robert Gibson Ellerton, is my husband’s grandfather. He became a sub-postmaster in Hedon, near Hull. I have a complete list of the children and dates with at least reference to quarter/year, although I have not bought all the relevant certificates.
6 – In trade directories, Frederic was listed in the 1891 census as a cordwainer; Bullmer’s 1892 under boot and shoe makers; in Kelly’s 1897, shoe maker and refreshment rooms; 1901 census, cordwainer; Kelly’s 1909, shoemaker & refreshment rooms; MacDonald’s 1921, newsagent; Kelly’s 1922, bootmaker.
7 – Fanny Ellen is also listed in Kelly’s 1922, confr [confectioner].
8 - Fanny Ellen died 8 Feb 1926: Frederic died 11 Nov 1925; they are buried in the private graveyard at the small RC church at Marton, which was part of the Burton Constable estate where Frederic’s father worked for many years. Their graves are unmarked, but they are in the register of the church at Marton and their records which were copied into the Hedon RC records.
9 – Frederic’s father William Wilson Ellerton was probably always intended to be named William Wilson, not just Wilson. Parish clerks often didn’t include the entire name the parents wanted, and as they were only temporarily resident at Danby Wiske, they were not as well known there. If WW had been baptised at Catterick, where his 2 older siblings were baptised, he’d probably have received his full name! The name probably came from his paternal grandfather, as his mother’s maiden name was Ann Wilson.
10 – William Wilson Ellerton dropped his surname when riding as a jockey and was known only as William Wilson. He rode in the 1847 Grand National – the horse was False Heir – and in several other races. He was a whipper-in to the hounds at Burton Constable for most of his career, although he spent a short time with the Holderness Hunt at Etton, when Frederic was born, and also worked for Lord Milton at Milton Hall near Peterborough, where he is found on the 1851 census. He would have been working with the Fitzwilliam Hunt at that time. He had previously worked for Lord Elcho at Gosford House, near Edinburgh, in E. Lothian.
11 – WW Ellerton gave a full-page interview to the Hull News of 1897, telling of his experiences over his entire lifetime. I have checked out all of his names, dates, places, and compared them with where he is located on the census and employee records and found his account to be very factual and complete. It is unusual to find such a complete biography for a person who was basically born into poverty. The only untruth I found in the account is that he says his father died when he was young. He was not dead, in fact, but it appears that he deserted the family.
12 – If you find another William Wilson Ellerton, be careful of the dates and places. Another with the same name was a nephew of the first, the son of WW’s older sibling Benjamin. He was also in equestrian occupations.
13 – William Wilson Ellerton to a great extent incorporated names into his family which had not been used before, the primary source of these names being the Clifford Constable family at Burton Constable. Frederic, Thomas, and Augustus are examples of these names. Some of this family were sponsors of the Ellertons for baptisms.
14 – William Wilson Ellerton and his wife, Margaret Towl, are buried at St. Augustine’s, Hedon. She died in 1897, he in 1899.
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PS I forgot to mention. If you're the person who's working on the Gibsons, I'd like to compare notes, as I don't have that line back very far!
Diane
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Hello Deller
Many thanks for information on the Ellertons. I am researching the Gibson line (my husband's). I will send you a PM and you can let me know what info you require.
I have got as far back as Robert Gibson who married Jane Jewison/Jewson in 1796.
Regards.
Zephyr
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Hi i'm glad you got sorted re Wilson Ellerton sometimes calling himself William Wilson Ellerton. I suspect the William came in during one of the census returns by error which sometimes happened when another member of the family gave details when the actual person was away from home. Are you a desendent from the mail line or female line? Danby Wiske is a very small hamlet and today it probably comprises of about 50 houses in those days of Wilson it probably had i estimate about 12 houses. It is interesting that Frederick? was a shoemaker as that trade ran in the family at that time my relatives in Danby Wiske were shoemakers also. If anything else i can help with drop me a line.
peter
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Hello Peter
I eventually sent for a copy of Frederic and Fanny's marriage certificate. They married on 13 July 1872 at St Stephen's Church, Hull. Frederic Thomas is aged 26 Widower, occupation Cordwainer. Father = William Wilson Ellerton = Grocer? (It's not a very good copy - I can hardly read some of it). Fanny Ellen Gibson was aged 23 Spinster. Father George Gibson = Cordwainer. Frederic and Fanny both give same address at time of marriage = (looks like) 4 Ebenezer Place, Spencer St. Witnesses were William Hayton and Sarah Y??? Hayton.
I am researching the Gibson line (my husband's side of the family). The Gibsons were from Market Weighton and before that Hedon. Quite a few of them were Cordwainers or Saddlers.
Many thanks for all your help.
With best wishes.
Zephyr
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Hi Zephyr,
That will be "groom" rather than "grocer" for William Wilson Ellerton on Frederic and Fanny Ellen's marriage certificate. He was a jockey, groom, and huntsman [3rd whipper-in to the foxhounds at Burton Constable for many years]. He was with the Holderness Hunt at Etton, however, when Frederic was born.
Frederic and Fanny Ellen's first child, Albert, was born 18 Oct 1972, only 3 months after the marriage, so this seems to have been a bit of a shotgun wedding. I wondered if the child was actually his or if it was a marriage of convenience. At any rate, the boy only lived for 14 weeks and was buried 28 Jan 1873. They did go on to have at least 8 other children. The last, Alban, is rumoured to have committed suicide, but I have no details.
Many thanks for the certificate information. I couldn't afford to buy all the certificates with regard to this family.
Diane
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Hello Diane
Thanks for clearing up the occupation of the Father. Common sense should have told me it was Groom and when I have looked at the certificate again I can just about make it out. I can only put it down to a senior moment!
Many thanks for all your help with the Ellertons.
With best wishes.
Janet
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An update to my earlier postings to all those with an interest in the ELLERTON surname.
My website has now moved to a different host and the "Matthew 1744" tree (the line referred to in the above postings) can now be found at:
http://ellerton.giantpandahost.com/Trees/Matthew1744.htm
As always, if you come across any errors or omissions on the tree please let me know!
Regards, Bob (in Turkey)