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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: runningbear on Sunday 03 December 06 12:54 GMT (UK)
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totally lost in trying to find out information relating to the Arrival of Francis Mc Gourlick and his wife Agnes Mathieson.
Best i can find is a registration of Helen Mc Gourlick 1906
i cannot find Francis and his family anywhere in the Scottish Records after 1905
i believe he came to Canada around May 1906/1907
can some kind soul HELP me? to find the family
Joe
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Hello Joe,
Finally a request that I don't believe to be in Ontario/Quebec :). I was able to find a Francis McGourlick living in Gull Lake, Saskatchewan who left Glascow Scotland in 1904. Here's the link:
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/page.aspx?id=1080311
I haven't been able to find them on the 1911 census.....will keep looking.
Jeff
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Wow Jeff,
That's Fabulous stuff.
I did a Google and found this re: Don McGourlick - Moose Jaw Veterans
http://web.archive.org/web/20060615062719/http://www.peopleplaces.ca/veterans.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20060615062719/http://www.peopleplaces.ca/veterans.htm)
Scroll halfway down......it seems that Don is on the memorial as lost in the war....but this was reported in error and he was still very much alive in 2005!
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On a related note, there is only 3 total McGourlick living in Canada....one happens to be a Donald F McGourlick in B.C.
http://www.canada411.ca
As well, I was able to find 3 homestead files for Francis McGourlick(if this is your family). You can leave an email for them to look up information or inquire about it here:
http://www.saskarchives.com
2146035 McGourlick, Francis SE 27 15 20 W3
2136587 McGourlick, Francis SW 27 15 20 W3
2849063 McGourlick, Thomas NW 13 15 20 W3
Good luck
Jeff
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FANTASTIC Jeff, yes this is the two brothers missing from my tree!!
francis was born in 1872 and married agnes mathieson on the 1st june 1894 in my wee town called Johnstone.
his brother thomas was born in 1881
they had a brother John who i am researching as he is the direct connection to the family....man what a find
i will pm my email as i would love a copy of that story and photo's
Joe
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hi indie is'nt it wonderful!!
i had lost them
but all turns out well that's to rootschat
Joe
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Well that's good....btw on a non-genealogy note....all 3 McGourlicks in BC are all Vancouver Island in BC (makes it seem that it's the same family). There was a Betty McGourlick who died in 1964 in BC??
Through a bit of digging I was able to find an email for kerry and a contact email for chris...but nothing for Don...
So I'm confused this is your family?? Long day at work yesterday my mind is still a bit mushy
Jeff
P.S. Were you going to send me a pm?
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pm on its way jeff.
now i am really desperate for more info.
have the info for mary agnes and john as they were all born in scotland, have the info for helen's birth also but i do not have the birth info for annie and ada mc gourlick, william, phyllis and donald mcgourlick all born in gull lake
would any one have any idea where i could access their births?
it would also be nice to find out who the children married, anyone any ideas?
there is mention that francis passed away in 1934 can i found out about this? also his brother thomas in the early 1940's? no mention of agnes mc gourlick passing away?
i have so many questions better stop asking before all the canadian rootschatters fall out with me
Joe
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Hey Joe,
Maybe a quick phone call to Kerry or Chris or Donald would answer some questions. will maybe try the email addresses I have when I get home from an errand (I'll send you a Carbon copy as well)....it is only 11:07 a.m. there in British Columbia December 3...so the chances of you waking them up are slim.
Unfortunately Saskatchewan is a fairly young province (only 100 years old) and records aren't released to the public until at least 90 years have passed. Your best bet would be to give a quick phone call to these people to see if they are family. The McGourlick family kept a low profile here in Canada (no WW1 vets, no obituaries, etc.) that I can see at first glance. As well there are only 3 listed in all of Canada, so the margin of error is slim or some married and have different last names.
Hope this helps....let me know if you do call...would like to see how this pans out.
Got to run, be back in a bit
Jeff
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Wow Jeff,
That's Fabulous stuff.
I did a Google and found this re: Don McGourlick - Moose Jaw Veterans
Scroll halfway down......it seems that Don is on the memorial as lost in the war....but this was reported in error and he was still very much alive in 2005!
Is this the guy you were talking about Indi ??
http // lostbombers co uk bomber php?id=89 sadly this website no longer exists 2014
Annie :)
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Yea Annie.......Looks like him.... :) :) :) :)
More great stuff for Joe ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Indi......(off out Christmas shopping now for a bit)
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Don't be spendin' too much money Girl !! ........... :D :D :D :D :D
Enjoy !! :D
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hi jeff, i have already beaten you to it, i phoned donald and guess what.....IT'S the RIGHT family.....GREAT result, thanks to all who helped make this boring sunday into a wonderful evening
THANKS jeff
Thanks indie
THANKS annie
i am really chuffed
Joe
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hi jeff, spent the past hour or so trying to search the 1911 census, you have no doubt read the story and they were certainly in canada at the time
any ideas how to break the ice?
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Only 61.52% of 1911 B.C. Census transcribed so far, so it's possible your family will turn up there at a later date.
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that is wonderful news my friend, will stop pulling out my hair...
so will i be able to find Francis mcgourlick's arrival in Canada 1904?
am i right in thinking that it is 70 years before anyone can search a death record? if that is right that means i can search for Francis and Agnes
Joe
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Take a look here..... i'm pretty sure based ont he mistrancription on ancestry that these are your people - they are listed as McCauslick, but check out the split screen to see....
http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census11/Test9.jsp?id=45215
They are in Souris division of Manitoba, section 22, page 7
Tom
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an offspring, perhaps, in the next war? J.J.
http://www.airforce.ca (http://www.airforce.ca)
http://data2.archives.ca/pdf/pdf001/p000000580.pdf (http://data2.archives.ca/pdf/pdf001/p000000580.pdf)
(Oops, sorry, I see now that it is the same man....thought that the original was ww1)
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Hello Joe, Tommy
It looks like a match from my perspective. In that ourroots site it did say they stayed in Medora (sp?) for awhile which is in the Souris district. I think it is 70-75 years....or proof of death. Did Donald have any viable information for you? Probably was shocked to get a phone call from Scotland I bet.
For timeline sake I would inquire at the Saskarchvies for the homestead information. it would say when they came to Saskatchewan to Gull Lake.
jeff
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hi jeff and tom, thank you both for your posts.
yes that is them on the 1911 census as i have dates of birth here in scotland that correspond with the dates given, thank you so much for that tom. i see that his daughter mary is missing from the family home, she was born jan 1895 so would have been out living on her own means by than or was married who knows!
yes jeff donald was wonderful to say the least, he was so bubbly and really enjoyed the contact. he is a direct decendant from francis and is the only one still living.
i have this thing about writing about living people on the thread so i will leave it for now
Joe
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hi tom, would it be too much to ask if you can find thomas on the 1911, he was the brother of frank and was born 1881
many thanks again to everyone
Joe
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I would be a decendant of Francis Mcgourlick, My grandmother is Mary Possehl (McGourlick) from Gull Lake Saskatchewan.
I now reside in Calgary Alberta
What would our family coat of arms be and the kilt pattern be.
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Joe...I'll bring this to the surface again...Hopefully you'll get notification! :D
TOM! :)we miss you on the Canada board, where have you been? J.J.
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Hi Joe,
There is an entry on the online passenger lists at Findmypast (pay to view) that might be of interest to you;
F Mcgourlick, age 32, Departure year 1905, sailing from Liverpool to Canada (St John N.B)
Right name,right year, right age....... :)
http://www.findmypast.com in the passenger List Persons search
I can't see Agnes though :-\
Regards,
Mick :)
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thanks for that mick, at present i cannot afford to access that link, but yes it sounds like him, i believe that he went across first and then agnes and the children came over at a later date and then even later was his brother thomas, through the lovely people here on rootschat i have even managed to find the family on the 1911 census.
thank you again my friend
Joe
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Hi Joe,
With the info Micky found you can then go to the Canada Archives site and put in the year of arrive, departure. There are only 20 ships that arrived in 1905, but you can view the passenger lists for free.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/019os (http://www.rootschat.com/links/019os)
Karen
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Hi! ... The Gull Lake McGourlick's are my family...they actually got the homestead or "free land" from the original colonializations of the prairie provinces...to originally try to to obtain more Canadian rights my ancestor McGourlick married a Cree woman in Saskatchewan in the 1700's.....I have a very old picture if you're interested. BTW, the McGourlick's started spelling the name this way over a hundred years ago. The other half of the family spells it different...I'll try to find out what it is again.
My grandfather, boxer, Bill (William) ...and I only remember my uncle Donald who is still alive in BC. My Dad's cousin inherited the Gull lake homestead. We are also written and featured in a Settler's of Saskatchewan book as well...pictures and all.
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Hi Sarah,
would be good if you get in touch again
Joe
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Sarah hasn't been online since posting in Sept.2010.
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Just to clear up one thing.....although I think the date was wrongly stated, "to originally try to obtain more Canadian rights my ancestor McGourlick married a Cree woman in Saskatchewan in the 1700's" would not be the case. Native people were not in any way given anything extra, in fact they were for the most part, often considered lesser beings & in the way of the settlers who wanted the land for themselves....and the women were given even less status. There was little choice in the 1700s, unless you brought your own woman over, but to marry an aboriginal woman. There were not a great deal of woman who wanted to come/stay in the harsh conditions of those early days...
They native women were strong and very resourceful and I imagine may have made life easier and better for the men who were new to this country and the weather and living conditions, especially on the Prairies. Because they were married "In the ways of the country" however, they were often tossed aside once white woman became available.
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"Hi Sarah,
would be good if you get in touch again
Joe"
Hi Joe,
Just edited Sarah's settings to see if she picks up on this thread again.
Regards
Sarah
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I would be a decendant of Francis Mcgourlick, My grandmother is Mary Possehl (McGourlick) from Gull Lake Saskatchewan.
I now reside in Calgary Alberta
What would our family coat of arms be and the kilt pattern be.
My 2nd great Uncle married a Mary McGourlick and his name is Charles Possehl but I am only seeing him as Carl Possehl. Do you have much info on your grandparents?
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Hi again,
Looks like the admin kept their word and did change my notifications- I have thus replied.
Running bear, I will not consistently come on here so i suggest private message or whatever other way. Suggestion? I can’t find a message option on here
Also, my Uncle Don (WW vet) passed away about... 5 years ago now in BC. And there are more than 3 McGourlick’s in Canada. Lol. Many more. Just my immediate family makes 3 and that’s not including my uncle Don’s family etc... unfortunately you can’t depend on what you can find online.
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Hi Sarah,
would be good if you get in touch again
Joe
Here I am! Don’t know how to use this thing! Private message or another option?
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Hi Sarah,
When you are notified of a new reply on RootsChat if you do not visit the site that is the last time you hear from us on new replies.
New members can not access all functions until they have made a couple of posts (which you now have done so) The pm button is the round button below the profile name.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi JJ,
To reply…
Many male settlers married native women because they thought they would be entitled to more land and rights- which they weren’t. I didn’t say they were smart!!!
We learned about this in grade 7 history… it was very common.
That being said, many early settlers married natives (particularly women). And some did in fact happen to have loving marriages. Many multi generation Canadians are part native because of this.
After my great grandmother died in child birth with my uncle Don, my great grandfather remarried a native lady- again, in Gull lake.
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@renfrewboy
I tried to message you but your message box is full…
I have some other answers for…
We have no real coat of arms or kilt as the McGourlick family originally comes from Ireland. There’s a general kilt that is adopted for the area where the family moved to in Scotland but it’s not a lineage kilt. According to old research, the McGourlick’s may be a fork from the Kennedy clan but from what I found it’s not concrete.
Anyway, message me and I’ll give you my email to keep in touch.
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Really touching article on him here:
https://www.timescolonist.com/local-news/war-veteran-was-declared-dead-but-he-had-the-last-laugh-4676991
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Yes- I spoke to my distant cousin Jordan after seeing this article. Uncle Don flew more times than anyone else from Canada in wwII- by multiples. Luckily he survived even the last flight. Everyone else that flew with him died. They declared him dead because he was shot and missing for months. The French resistance kept him alive. He was a nice and upbeat man. He was extremely close to his brother- my grandfather. And he took care of him while he was dying.
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Donald Francis McGourlick was quite the fellow! What an amazing life story! He also continued to fly & help others...Thanks bbart for posting the link.
SarahSarah, re: your reply below, I'm surprised that this was taught under the guise of "history". Can you please tell me the book from which this information was taken & in what Province it was taught?
Many male settlers married native women because they thought they would be entitled to more land and rights- which they weren’t. I didn’t say they were smart!!!
We learned about this in grade 7 history… it was very common.
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My grandfather (eldest son of Agnes) is the cousin who inherited the McGourlick homestead. It is still in the family.
Agnes(1897-1987), (Don’s sister) was my great grandmother. I assume she was named after her mother.
She married Albert E. Steele.
I do not know much about the McGourlick side and just learned of Don and his incredible life.
Hi! ... The Gull Lake McGourlick's are my family...they actually got the homestead or "free land" from the original colonializations of the prairie provinces...to originally try to to obtain more Canadian rights my ancestor McGourlick married a Cree woman in Saskatchewan in the 1700's.....I have a very old picture if you're interested. BTW, the McGourlick's started spelling the name this way over a hundred years ago. The other half of the family spells it different...I'll try to find out what it is again.
My grandfather, boxer, Bill (William) ...and I only remember my uncle Donald who is still alive in BC. My Dad's cousin inherited the Gull lake homestead. We are also written and featured in a Settler's of Saskatchewan book as well...pictures and all.
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Welcome to Rootschat SteeleSteele! Can you post one more reply, as you need more than one post to get in touch with Sarah through private messages. Once you have, just hit the circle with the scroll under the username to the left of each post.
( Noted that 2 other on this thread only posted once, and sadly missed out on all the replies since )
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Thank you!
Certainly .