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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: brc on Thursday 07 December 06 15:52 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
On the transcript for the 1851 Census for West Marsh, Monifieth there is a James Robertson whose place of birth is stated as "Edintre, Reid Pothia". I assume that this is a misreading. Does anyone have access to the original page and can decipher what it is supposed to be?
Many thanks for any help.
Regards,
Brian
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Hi Brian :)
There are 4 James Robertson's in Monifieth. Could you tell me his age?
Gadget
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Hi,
Thanks for your reply. He is 44 and living with wife Rebecca, age 40, son John, age 16 and mother-in-law Agnes McFarlane, age 74.
Regards,
Brian
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:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
After all that, there's no image on Scotlands People for me to look at. I'll have a think about Edintre though :-\
Gadget
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Hi Brian and Gadget
I wonder if birth place is supposed to be Edinbugh, Mid lothian? There's an entry in the 1861 Census:
James Robertson 46, b. Edinburgh, occup. Currier ( ???)
Robeca Robertson 46, b. Glasgow
Elizabeth Robertson 20, b. Glasgow
James Robertson 10, b. Ireland
John Robertson 6, b. Glasgow
Address: 16 Kirk Street, Calton, Glasgow
Regards.
Monica
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Good on ya Monica ;D
That looks possible but he should be 54.
Got side tracked by reading another thread :-\
Gadget :)
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Hi Gadget and Monica,
Many thanks for your replies. I wondered if Edintre could be Edinburgh, and also wondered if Pothia was Perthshire. I could not find him in the 1861 Census. Not sure about the Glasgow James Robertson as the age is wrong, his occupation in 1851 was a tinsmith, and Rebecca was born in Dundee.
Thanks again - kind of you to take the trouble.
Regards,
Brian
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Brian
What was Rebecca's maiden name?
Monica
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Is it Rebecca Robb?
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.....also, did you get them in 1871. One or both of them might have died 1851-71. I've not found Rebecca, aged 48-52 on the 1861.
Gadget
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Rebecca's death entry on SP:
1859 ROBERTSON REBECCA MCFARLANE ROBB 48 DUNDEE SECOND DISTRICT DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS 282/02 0578
Monica
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There are a few James Robertsons bpt. showing on the IGI for Edinburgh, Midlothian around the time - 1807 onwards to 1811.
Gadget
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1841 Census:
James, 30, tinsmith, b. Scotland
Rebecca, 30
James, 13
John, 7
Address: Wellgate, Dundee
Everyone born in the County except James.
Monica
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I've just checked Rebecca's death cert. She is listed as wife of a tinsmith. The informant was James Robertson, tinsmith (not present). She died at Dundee Royal Infirmary of fever. Father : James Robb, dec. and Agnes maiden surname McFarlane, dec.
Gadget
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Hi Gadget and Monica,
Thank you for the further info, especially Rebecca's death info. I already had her 1809 birth record to James Robb and Agnes McFarlane in Dundee, James and Agnes marrying there in 1800.
So I had a little bit of info on Rebecca's parents, but nothing on James Robertson's because I do not know where he was born - Edintre Reid Pothia!!! I could not find him in the 1861 Census. Haven't checked 1871.
Regards,
Brian
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One more go before I go to bed to find James Robertson in 1861...the best fit assuming he is still in Dundee following Rebecca's death there in 1859 is one possibility for a James, living alone:
James Robertson, Lin (tin?) smith, 47, living at No 8 Blanshall St, Dundee Second District, birth place.....................Edabo, Canonbiesh :( :( :(
I give up on the index Brian, think you might need to look at the original image on Scotlands People to get his birth place in English.
Regards.
Monica
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Edabo, Canonbiesh
Apart from Edinburgh, the only other that I can come up with is Edzell :
from 1845 until 1891 partly in Kincardineshire and partly in Angus. In 1891 the Boundary Commissioners placed the parish wholly in Angus.
alternatively, could it be a small place in the parish of Canonbie, DFS
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I can't find a death for him so far.
Gadget
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Brian :)
Because Monica and I hate to let things defeat us, I've downloaded the 1861 census images that she found the reference to.
Here it is. It looks to me like Edinbroshire, Edinbro, which I assume is Edinburgh but he didn't know the county :-\
Gadget
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I'm certain that Gadget has solved it. The county of Midlothian used to be known as Edinburghshire.
Bervonian.
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Now to find a death - I wonder where or when. I've already had a good look. Being a tinsmith, he might have moved away. Maybe 1871 census first.
Gadget
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There are a few too many in the 1871 to really be sure of, especially as we don't have a firmish birthdate.
We have two birth estimates for him - in 1851 he was down as 44 - b.c. 1807 and 1861 down as 47 - b.c. 1814
Looking at deaths, 1861 to 1900 in Dundee, we have:
1868 aged 59 St Andrew b.c. 1809
1870 aged 55 St Andrew b.c. 1815
1873 aged 61 St Andrew b.c.1812
1875 aged 63 St Andrew b.c. 1812
1878 aged 63 St Peter b.c.1815
1884 aged 74 St Mary b.1810
1891 aged 82 St Andrew b. 1809
I'm not too familiar with the various Dundee districts - St Andrew, St Peter,St Mary. I do have a map somewhere but which is the most likely?
Gadget :-\
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Hello,
Thanks again for all your help. I am new to Scottish research. Don't know Dundee at all. By the way, where did you get the info re-Rebecca dying of fever in Dundee Royal Infirmary? I understand it can be obtained from the ScotlandsPeople site but you have to pay don't you.
I could not find James Robertson in the 1881 Census, so I assume he died before then.
Edinburgh looks increasingly likely to be his birth place.
I think it would be a lot better if the people who transcribed the Census info for 41/51/61 had some basic knowledge of our language - I have just seen someone's job transcribed as a piang tuner!!
Regards,
Brian
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A piang tuner - now a piang is a very special type of bagpie that is now obsolete
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P :P :P :P :P
I went int to Scotlands People and used up some spare units to get Rebecca's death cert.
It's the only way unless you live in Edinburgh or are near a local centre.
I'll PM you.
Gadget
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Re transcriptions on Ancestry for the Scottish censuses, have a look at this link:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,199276.0.html. It would seem that OCR (optical character recognition) software has been used to transcribe the censuses from the original films as such these transcription issues are here to stay (not sure if Ancestry will spend the time/money tidying up (correcting!) the databases).
There are three sons showing for James and Rebecca on IGI, have you got details of these?
Regards.
Monica
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Brian
If you haven't done any research in Scotland before, there are two useful guides here on RootsChat that would be good for you to read at this point:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,43916.0.html
Regards.
Monica
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Hello,
Thanks again for your very kind help. I have noticed the 3 sons on the IGI.
I will look up the websites you recommend, and thank you for the Rebecca death info.
I will keep plodding onwards and upwards.
Kind regards,
Brian