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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Tees on Monday 11 December 06 22:01 GMT (UK)
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Dear Rootschatters,
Do anyone know these people or are related to them in some way?
Please do drop a line to me! :)
1) Alexander Armstrong & Catherine Reid
2) Hugh Mallon, son of Hugh Mallon the Thatcher, & Margaret Armstrong (daughter of Couple#1)
3) John Jordan & Sarah McCarry
4) George Jordan, son of Couple #3, & Alice Magee
5) Felix Magee & Isabella Scott (Parents of Alice Magee)
6) Felix Magee's Father is Felix Magee but who is his Mum?
I am trying to find mainly death records on these people-
Hugh Mallon & Margaret Mallon nee Armstrong,
John Jordan & Sarah Jordan nee McCarry,
Alexander Armstrong & Catherine Armstrong nee Reid.
It is a bit difficult to trace them without census information. I know most of them are located in various spots between Glenavy, Ballymacward, Budore, and Tullyrusk.
They are of either Protestant and Catholic backgrounds. Two were converted to Catholicism (please do not ask me why--I was very surprised to find such records!!).
With one kind Rootchatter's help, I managed to find these people in Griffith's Valuations. But it is only for 1861-62. All of them were farmers which helped a lot!
Your help would be most gratefully received!
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi again,
George & Alice Jordan had:
1) Felix Jordan who was born in Scotland
2) John Jordan bn in Co Antrim
3) Isabella Jordan ditto
4) Richard Jordan ditto
My two generations of Jordans "commuted" back to and from Scotland to Ireland. Somehow, they always managed to return to Ireland to stay put.
First generation returned to their roots--the farms. Second generation--most of them settled in Belfast.
The rest of the family stay put where they had been since when???
Cheers,
Tees
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Hi again,
My Mallons--
Hugh Mallon and Margaret Mallon nee Armstrong had:
1) Alexander Mallon
2) Isabella Mallon
3) Rosena Mallon
I think Margaret may had died and Hugh re-married to other woman--this need to be verified!
Possible second wife was Elizabeth Hamill. Hugh and she went on having three or four more children.
Hugh Mallon was a farmer in Budore then moved to another area in Glenavy (all of this based on my memory--need to check with my notes!). Then, his son went on as a farmer.
I am hoping someone could spot them and tell me he or she is related to these people.
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi again,
Do you need me to put up more information here?
Do let me know!
Regards,
Tees
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Hello Tees,looking at the info you have here and having researched this area and for that time period I could advise you on the following.
1-There were a large number of conversions from the various protestant faiths to Catholicism in Victorian times in Ireland,so cast an eye over all Church records.
2-There is a small inter-denominational cemetery at Tullyrusk which goes back to even before Victorian times.-Well worth a visit .
3-The names Jordan,Magee ,and Scott are very common in this area-i.e. Stoneyford,Tullyrusk,Dundrod,Lisburn,Glenavy.
4-The church of Ireland in Glenavy-St.Aidans-has a large ,well -kept cemetery and goes back to the 18th century.
5- in Victorian times these 2 graveyards plus the Rock Cemetery at Stoneyford would have been where most local people were buried..
If you ever decide to come over send me an Email and I`ll bring you round these cemeteries which are close to me.
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Hi Cos
Thank you very much for replying to this post.
I already have done all of what you suggested. :)
Now you give me another possible cemetery to look up. Will ask a relative or a friend if they could kindly do a bit of searching--preferably contact the church before driving to the cemetery. (I am not sure if my uncle is up to it. :) A friend, a maybe.)
I just put this post up in the case there is someone on this site may be researching same people as me.
Researching Irish ancestors is a bit difficult and terribly expensive, that is my feeling so far.
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi Cos
Would you please give me the name of good book on Victorian "conversion to the Catholicism" in Ireland? If you know of one, that would be great!
This is the subject I would like to know more about. I appreciate the fact one does learn new things every day!
Regarding the Rock Cemetery at Stoneyford, a kind rootschatter here did attempt to go there for me and only to be informed that the vast majority of burials were very recent.
We were discussing about the Blaris Cemetery, what's your assessment on this?
The reason I am asking here is that I am fairly sure that my Mallons would not be buried in the Catholic cemetery as we (my relative and I) did try to find their burials at the Hannahstown Church. Unfortunately, they are not there but their grandchildren were buried there.
Tullyrusk Cemetery is out because we were there as well.
Other branches of our family were buried there but not the Mallons.
I am starting to wonder if my Rootschatter friend may be spot on Blaris Cemetery--the reason I think they may be buried there because I noted that they were married in that area. I was going by their civil registration marriage record. If I were able to find my Mallons, it possibly will lead me to two more branches of my family who I believe were staunch Protestants (no offence here).
I thank you for your kind offer but I live thousands of miles way from Ireland. :(
My family certainly do not make it any easier, don't they?? (I know I am not the only one here. That helps!!)
Awaiting your further reply with much interest.
Kind regards,
Tees
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In case this helps
From www.historyfromheadstones.com/
Ahoghill Old Ahoghill Ahoghill JORDAN
Ahoghill Old Ahoghill Ahoghill JORDAN
Carnmoney CI Carnmoney Carnmoney JORDAN
Friar's Bush Shankill Belfast JORDAN. CALLAGHAN
Friar's Bush Shankill Belfast JORDAN, LAVERTY, O'HAYER, O'HALLORAN
Milltown Shankill Belfast O'CONNOR, MOORE, STOKESBERRY, JORDAN Friar's Bush Shankill Belfast O'NEILL, MALLON
Clifton Street Shankill Belfast KENNEDY, CAMPBELL, MATTHEWS, MULLAN, MALLON, CUMMINGS, RODGERS
Aughnahoy RC Portglenone Slievenagh DALY, MALLON
Duneane CI Duneane Lismacloskey MALLON
Magheranagaw Aghagallon Derrymore MALLON
As a starter I think all the Friars Bush records are published in book form, try history from tombstones big brother site Ulster Historical Foundation.
Good luck, Jim
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Hi Jim
Thank you for your suggestion. Unfortunately, I have tried there--it was not good because you have to guess which record(s) are yours.
4 pounds per record is pretty steep if you want to continue searching all through their records, it surely would break my piggy bank!! :) To this date, I was not successful with their headstones.
What's more I knew where my Jordans (not earliest Jordans) were buried and other one family. This cemetery is not listed on their records.
So, it is a possibility that it is the same with my other ancestors. But where? That needs some detective work. :)
Again, thank you for your helpful suggestion.
Kind regards,
Tees
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Sarah McCarry Jordan is my gr-gr-grandmother. She is the mother of Mary Jordan McKenna Kelly.
Sarah was born in 1812 and died in 1900. She is buried in Calvary Cemetery in Pana, Illinois. Tombstone lists her name along with her grandson, George McKenna. A photo is on FindAGrave.com.
roc102
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Hi roc102,
Thank YOU for breaking down the brick wall on Sarah Jordan!
I would never thought about her emigration to the US with her daughter! I tried to follow her via her children in the hope I could find her.
Will check the cemetery! Amazing that the cemetery is the same name of the cemetery in Queens my maternal ancestors were buried in.
Will get the records out to you this weekend. I have to pull them out of the box I stored somewhere.
Kind regards,
Tees
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Wow! I found her other daughter in this same cemetery! She is Mary’s and George’s sister. Her obituary stated her surviving sister is Nancy McClane of Springfield! This is the very family we are looking for!
She might be the first Jordan to come to the US? That is probably why Mary decided to emigrate due to her first husband’s death? It was and still is very common for many relatives to follow their relatives in other countries.
Would have to send for the marriage certificate first to determine her parentage.
Unfortunately, for this family, there is only a male sibling. I have a will that names all the children.
Now you give me some stuff to work/research on!
Thanks, roc102!
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By switching to their civil parishes ie Derriaghy Glenavy Tullyrusk I am immediately able to search other records
Flax Growers Of Ireland 1796
none of surnames above found in parishes above recheck scott
Tithes Applotment Books
1823-1837 Tithes Applotment Books
based upon the index work of the Irish Genealogy Hub’s
listing for each parish in Northern Ireland,
which are quicker to lookup if you know the parish!
The relevant original books are in the
Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) Belfast
they are normally one line records giving no family history just the quality of their lands for potential tax purposes
I have tried to a sample for you
you need to sort these Armstrong by civil parish
Armstrong, Francis-Townland: Feumore Year: 1826-Glenavy-Antrim
Armstrong, Francis-Townland: Feumore Year: 1834-Glenavy-Antrim
Armstrong, Hugh-Townland: Whitemountain Year: 1827-Derryaghy-Antrim
Armstrong, Isabella-Townland: Feumore Year: 1826-Glenavy-Antrim
Armstrong, Isabella-Townland: Feumore Year: 1834-Glenavy-Antrim
Armstrong, James-Townland: Knockairn Year: 1826-Tullyrusk-Antrim
Armstrong, James-Townland: Lower Ballyhill Year: 1827-Killead-Antrim
Armstrong, James-Townland: Tullyrousk Year: 1834-Tullyrusk-Antrim
Armstrong, Jane-Townland: Bovolgan Year: 1827-Derryaghy-Antrim
Armstrong, Jas.-Townland: Tullyrusk Year: 1826-Tullyrusk-Antrim
Armstrong, John-Townland: Bodore Year: 1826-Tullyrusk-Antrim
Armstrong, John-Townland: Fermore Year: 1826-Glenavy-Antrim
Armstrong, Mabella-Townland: Fermore Year: 1826-Glenavy-Antrim
Armstrong, Margaret-Townland: Budore Year: 1834-Tullyrusk-Antrim
Armstrong, Robert-Townland: Whitemountain Year: 1827-Derryaghy-Antrim
Armstrong, Shaw-Townland: Knockairn Year: 1826-Tullyrusk-Antrim
Armstrong, Shaw-Townland: Knockcairn Year: 1834-Tullyrusk-Antrim
Armstrong, William-Townland: Knockcairn Year: 1834-Tullyrusk-Antrim
Armstrong, William-Townland: Near Strouds Park Year: 1827-Derryaghy-Antrim
the other names Jordan McCarry Magee Mallon Scott Reid/REED
can be extracted by looking up http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/county-antrim-genealogy.php#.W6iw0i-ZNEI
Finding where they went to church in each parish is your next step and then seeing if church records even exist try PRONI Guide to church records online at https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide_to_church_records.pdf
DERRYAGHY, CO. ANTRIM
C.I Ballymacash (St Mark’s) (Connor diocese) Parish magazines, 1967.
C.I. Derriaghy (Connor diocese)
Baptisms, 1696-1763, 1771-1806, 1810-12 and 1821- 1932;marriages, 1696-1746, 1772, 1818-1984; burials, 1696-1738, 1772-3, 1823-4, 1827-34 and 1836-1927; vestry minutes, 1709-58 and 1794-1941, 1951-3 and 1962-88;including confirmation list, 1705, and seatholders’ list,1812; preachers’ books, 1834-91 and 1901-82; account book of payments relating to Miss Fletcher’s bequest to the poor of Derriaghy, 1839- 1920, and correspondence about the Fund, 1865-99; membership register, accounts, book catalogue and minutes of Derriaghy Parochial Young Men’s Christian Society’s Library, 1847-65; sexton’s day books recording details of burials and cause of deaths, 1854- 1927; parish magazines, 1941-90.
Registers of vestrymen, 1831-; vestry minutes, 1872-.
C.I. Stoneyford (St John’s) (Connor diocese) Baptisms, 1839-1925; preachers’ books, 1834-87.
Vestry minutes, 1887-; marriages, 1887-.
R.C. Hannahstown, Rock and Derriaghy (Down and Connor diocese)
Baptisms and marriages, 1877-80.
conclusion no Presbyterian churches in this civil parish so where did they worship? perhaps the nearest in the nearest surrounding civil parish
you need to look up the other two parishes Glenavy Tullyrusk
good luck onwards
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I couldn’t resist listing the other names to check Jordan McCarry Magee Mallon Scott Reid/REED
in the four parishes
JORDAN
Derriaghy
Jordan, Jane Townland: Whitemountain Year: 1827
Jordan, William Townland: Steed's Road Year: 1827
Glenavy
Jordan, Hugh Townland: Deerpark Year: 1834
Killead
none
Tullyrusk
Jordan, Edwd. Townland: Budore Year: 1834
Jordan, Henry Townland: Bodore Year: 1826
Jordan, Henry Townland: Budore Year: 1834
I continue listing under the four parishes with three remaining names
DERRIAGHY Magee Mallon Scott Reid/REED
McCarry none
Magee Mallon Scott Reid/REED
Magee, Charles Townland: Ballymcward Year: 1827
Magee, Edwd. Townland: Ballymcward Year: 1827
Magee, Ever Townland: Rock Chapel Year: 1827
Magee, Felix Townland: Near Rushy-Hill Year: 1827
Magee, Ferdinand Townland: Ballymcward Year: 1827
Magee, Francis Townland: Ballymcward Year: 1827
Magee, Henry Townland: Lisburn Year: 1827
Magee, Hugh Townland: Near Rushy-Hill Year: 1827
Magee, James Townland: Aughrim Year: 1827
Magee, James Townland: Ballymcward Year: 1827
Magee, James, Jr. Townland: Rushyhill Year: 1827
Magee, James, Sr. Townland: Rushyhill Year: 1827
Magee, John Townland: Ballymcward Year: 1827
Magee, John Townland: Collon Year: 1827
Magee, John Townland: Rushy-Hill Year: 1827
Magee, Owen Townland: Curroughrow Year: 1827
Magee, Patrick Townland: Ballymcward Year: 1827
Magee, Patrick Townland: Lambs-Moss Year: 1827
Magee, Phelomy Townland: Ballymacward Year: 1827
Magee, Stewart Townland: Lisburn Year: 1827
Magee, Widow Townland: Ballymacward Year: 1827
Magee, Widow Townland: Collon Year: 1827
Magee, William Townland: Collon Year: 1827
Magee, William Townland: Curroughrow Year: 1827
Mallon none
Scott, Edward Townland: Ballymcward Year: 1827
Scott, John Townland: Dam Year: 1827
Scott, John Townland: McGowen's Hill Year: 1827
Scott, Richard Townland: Ballymcward Year: 1827
Scott, William Townland: Ballymcward Year: 1827
Reid/REED
Read, James Townland: Slievenacloy Year: 1827
Read, Widow Townland: Lambeg Year: 1827
GLENAVY
McCarry none plenty of McCorry/McCurry
Magee
Magee, Arthur Townland: Carnkilly Year: 1834
Magee, Arthur Townland: Cornakilly Year: 1826
Magee, Hugh Townland: Ballymote Year: 1826
Magee, John Townland: Ballypitmare Year: 1834
Magee, John Townland: Cornkilly Year: 1826
Magee, John Townland: Pitmave Year: 1826
Mallon none
Scott
Scott, Aim Townland: Ballypitmave Year: 1826
Scott, Ann Townland: Ballypitmare Year: 1834
Scott, James Townland: Ballypitmare Year: 1834
Scott, James Townland: Pitmave Year: 1826
Scott, Thomas Townland: Pitmave Year: 1826
Scott, Thos. Townland: Pitmave Year: 1826
Scott, William Townland: Ballypitmare Year: 1834
Scott, Willm. Townland: Pitmave Year: 1826
Reid/REED
Read, William Townland: Crew Year: 1834
Reid, Neilson Townland: Ballyminamore Year: 1826
Reid, Neilson Townland: Crew Year: 1834
Reid, Willm. Townland: Crew Year: 1826
KILLEAD
McCarry none
Magee
Magee, Edward Townland: Carnaghlis Year: 1827
Magee, John Townland: Gartree Year: 1827
Magee, Philip Townland: Gartree Year: 1827
Mallon none
Scott
Scott, James Townland: Ballymather Year: 1827
Scott, James Townland: Carmavey Year: 1827
Reid/REED
Reid, Daniel Townland: Ballynadrintagh Year: 1827
TULLYRUSK
McCarry
McCarry, George Townland: Tullyrousk Year: 1834
McCarry, James Townland: Tullyrousk Year: 1834
McCarry, Widow Townland: Tullyrousk Year: 1834
Magee
Magee, Daniel Townland: Dundrod Year: 1826
Magee, Daniel Townland: Dundrod Year: 1834
Magee, Ferdinand Townland: Tullyrusk Year: 1826
Magee, Hugh Townland: Tullyrousk Year: 1834
Magee, James Townland: Budore Year: 1834
Magee, James Townland: Dundrod Year: 1826
Magee, James Townland: Dundrod Year: 1834
Magee, James Townland: Tullyrousk Year: 1834
Magee, James Townland: Tullyrusk Year: 1826
Mallon
Mallen, Hugh Townland: Bodore Year: 1826
Mallen, Hugh Townland: Budore Year: 1834
Mallen, Hugh Townland: Tullyrousk Year: 1834
Mallen, Hugh Townland: Tullyrusk Year: 1826
Reid/REED none
Scott
Scott, Andw. Townland: Dundrod Year: 1826
Scott, Robt. Townland: Dundrod Year: 1834
Scott, Widow Townland: Bodore Year: 1826
Scott, William Townland: Tullyrousk Year: 1834
Scott, Willm. Townland: Bodore Year: 1826
Scott, Willm. Townland: Tullyrusk Year: 1826
goodluck with your venture
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No dates to go by ???
George & Alice Jordan had:
1) Felix Jordan who was born in Scotland
Can you indicate roughly when Felix was born please?
Is it possible he was registered as Philip as I knew someone who was known by both?
Annie
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These are Felix's details here:
Felix Jordan b. 8 Oct 1870 in Bathgate, Westlothian
Parents George Jordan and Allace Mcgee
Monica
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Hi All!
I do have details on Felix Jordan’s birth. Thank you, MonicaL. He was my great grandfather’s brother.
Annie, yes. He sometimes was called Philip. In one record, he was known as Phelix!
This post is for people who might be related to these deceased persons. In other words, Roc102 is a perfect example. With this person’s help, we were able to find out when and where Sarah Jordan died.
Wow! Jim, you went back further in time with the records! I do appreciate your contributions to this post!
I do apologise that I did not get any notifications for this post until now.
Roc102 and I had exchanged information.
Again, thank you all of you who helped and replied and I am quite grateful that there is still an interest in this old post which I had forgotten about until Roc102’s post.
As of now, I have two brick walls left in my family tree! :)
Ever gratefully yours,
Tees