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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Montgomeryshire => Topic started by: wrjones on Tuesday 12 December 06 14:50 GMT (UK)
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Is there anyone who has any connection to a Beatrice Clemson born in Llanfyllin in 1904?
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Unfortunately, only one member researching Clemson in the Surname Interests Table http://surname.rootschat.com/sit-surnames.php?letter=C&this_name=CLEMSON
What have you already found out about Beatrice? Can I look anything up for you?
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Many thanks once again Lloydy,how I arrived at my interest in this Beatrice Clemson,is that I believe she is the person who married one of my Gabriel Family from Cefn Mawr,a John H Gabriel born in Cefn Mawr in 1895.Although I have yet to find their Marriage,a Daughter-In-Law of John H told me that it was a Beatrice Clemson who he married.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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I don't know if you have this or not, but here's the birth record for Beatrice:
July/Aug/Sept Quarter 1904
District: Llanfyllin
Volume: 11b
Page: 186
Just having a look for a marriage........... :-\
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Thanks Lloydy,and the Marriage would be great,although it isn't to be found on North Wales BMD.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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So far, I've checked the complete marriage index on Ancestry from 1920 to 1930 in Montgomeryshire, but no luck yet.
Can I ask, are you entirely sure that it is the Beatrice born in Llanfyllin?
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Just adding my two pennorth - might she have married in the Oswestry Reg Dist - just a thought :-\
Gadget
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I'd already thought about that Gadget, thanks :)
I've searched the images and can't see any Beatrice Clemson at all, even those names with similar spellings....Clempson, Climson etc etc
You watch, somone will come along and find her marriage straightaway ;D
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Well if the Gabriels were from Cefn and Beatrice from Llanfyllin and it's not on the NWales BMD and not in the Oswestry Reg district, it could be anywhere - poss Llangollen, which was still Corwen RD. That's not on the NW BMD yet.
Beatrice might have been 'in service' and married from there :-\
Gadget
Added - William - when was their first child born?
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I'm using Ancestry to search the images and from 1920 to 1933 there is no Beatrice Clemson getting married in any district :-\. although saying that, the image for the December quarter in 1929 appears to be missing. Just our luck she's in that one :D
Perhaps they lived in sin ;D
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No I think they lived in Cefn Mawr Lloydy!I don't know the exact dates Gadget,but there son William C Gabriel married a Margeruete Edwards in 1943.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Just had a thought, Jan ::) ::) ::)
Some of the Ancestry images are missing - are there any quarters that were n't listed. I can have a look on 1837 or whatever it's called now. I've got tons ofg units on there.
Gadget :)
Just seen the DEc 1929 Q missing - will have a look :)
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OK Gadget ;)
there son William C Gabriel
William - I know you don't have any dates, but any idea where the son was born?
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Nothing on the December 1929 quarter.
Any more, Jan?
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I have just been on the Phone to William C's Wife "Greta",she said William was born in 1924.They're a real problem,couldn't find William in 1923-4-5.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Hi William
nearest I've got so far is a John Gabriel marrying a Jones Dec Q, 1923, Wrexham, Vol 11b, page 480
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget that is one of the Rhosddu Gabriels.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Any more, Jan?
Can't see anything else......a real mystery :-\
William..........does "Greta" have a copy of William C's birth certificate? If she does you could really do with seeing it ;)
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Its a real headache Lloydy!When I was just on the Phone to Greta she thought I'd be better off talking to her daughter Yvonne who we can see born in 1947!The trouble is the number she gave me,I get that Woman saying;"the number you have dialled has not been recognised"!Don't ask me about who the daughter married;I'm having trouble with that one too!!!
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Oh dear William, we're not having much luck are we!!
It might be worth ordering Beatrice's birth certificate anyway....at least there may be enough information on there to try and find her family in the 1901.
If you do speak to the daughter, please let us know what she said :)
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William, I know you and know that you won't take this to heart but - NWales BMD, 1924, Wrexham, WM/173/19 - William Clemson.
Regards
Gadget
PS - so the C in William C was probably Clemson :-\
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North Wales BMD having them marrying in 1934 - WM/113/30
John H Gabriel
Beatrice Clemsons
Civil marriage, Wrexham
Seasons Greetings
Gadget :)
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I'm not that bothered Gadget,nothing surprises me,not in this Family!It seems I'll try and phone Greta again,but not for a day or two.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Think you might have missed my marriage posting, William :)
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North Wales BMD having them marrying in 1934 - WM/113/30
John H Gabriel
Beatrice Clemsons
Civil marriage, Wrexham
Seasons Greetings
Gadget :)
Go the Gadget ;D ;D ;D Well done you ;D ;D
I stopped looking at 1933...isn't that just typical, otherwise I would have got there first!!!!!!!!
Seriously, at least William can obtain the marriage certificate and take it from there.
Here's the full reference from the Index:
July/Aug/Sept Quarter 1934
District: Wrexham
Volume: 11b
Page: 540
:) :) :)
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I did see it thanks Gadget,my heads spinning!This is what you might call a problem Family from beginning to end!To think I might not have known of their existence,only for seeing the Grandson's posting on the BBC North East Wales Site-Rhosymedre Memories.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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Jan - I decided when I came back on line a short while back to have a go with the Clemson surname for William on the NW BMD, after that it was a doddle :)
Gadget - line still dropping :(
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This has been a challenge, but good fun. That's what I like about family history.
All we need to do now is wait for William to buy that marriage certificate, then the search can continue with the 1901 census and back ;)
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I have to admit,I didn't think of searching simply on the Clemson Name!
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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As i said, William, maybe John H was married before - 10 years seems a long time to not be married or maybe one or other of their parents was against it or they decided to save up for a big bunfeast or............
Jan and I are itching to find out all now ;)
Gadget
:D :D :D :D :D :D
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Hi Gadget
Did you get William's PM stating that John H was in fact William's step-father :'( :'(
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Yes :)
He seemed a bit concerned that we'd found all the info and he wasn't related but I think that we solved the mystery :)