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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: jacks on Tuesday 12 December 06 19:19 GMT (UK)
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I have a William Bennett who is defying my attempts to find him.
He appears on the 1881 census giving his birth as India 1829, so i search everywhere and in every census search and he doesnt appear anywhere else. However I know his daughter Elizabeth is born in Bristol in 1860 so he must have been around somewhere!
Now whilst trying once again to pick something up i found a William Bennett (right age) living in Rustington with an Elizabeth born in Bristol (right age again) and even a welsh wife (legend holds that my nan had welsh roots) one problem, it says he was born Gloucester Patching. So why can't I find Patching in Gloucester?
I could be barking right up the wrong tree here and trying to make square pegs fit round holes but has anyone any ideas wether it existed? I keep wondering if the elusive Mr Bennett didn't actually put his correct birth place down!
sorry if this is a bit confusing I'm just frustrated! :D
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His PoB is Patchway, Glos .... look in GenUKI and you'll see the Registration District is Thornbury.
Theres a mention of Almondsbury too ...
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according to :- www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/media/word/r/d/Genealogical%20handlist%20for%20Website.doc
there are no Patchway records deposited ...
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according to :- www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/media/word/r/d/Genealogical%20handlist%20for%20Website.doc
there are no Patchway records deposited ...
... perhaps because it appears to have had no church
www.old-maps.co.uk
(You need to move south a couple of clicks)
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Thanks for those prompt responses! Looks like I may still be in the dark though! I can't seem to track the man anywhere like I said I'm assuming he has given different answers to his place of birth as given that he is born 1828/9 he should appear on the censuses. I can't imagine why though. ???
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Hello Jacks
Can you give a bit more detail on what you know of the family?
What is your nan's name**? Have you found a marriage for them anywhere? Do you know of any siblings for Elizabeth - often it is easier to find the children, especially if you know when & where they were born.
**I have them in 1871 in Rustington, Sussex - her name is Elizabeth too. How do you know this is the correct family? Do you recognise the siblings names?
Do you have your nan's birth certificate, as this will give valuable information about her parents?
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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So, no Church - altho it was in the Diocese of Bristol, and grouped with Hempton .
So it looks like locals used Almondsbury, as I suspected ....
Pity that Glos records used the phrase 'no records deposited ...' rather than a X-ref to Almonsbury ...
Hempton, with Patchway
HEMPTON, with Patchway, a tything, in the parish of Almondsbury, union of Thornbury, Lower division of the hundred of Langley and Swinehead, W. division of the county of Gloucester, 6½ miles (S. by W.) from Thornbury; containing 356 inhabitants.
From: 'Hemley - Hendon', A Topographical Dictionary of England (1848), pp. 474-78. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=51024. Date accessed: 13 December 2006.
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The only concrete information I have is that Elizabeth Bennett is the daughter of William Bennett. She marries Frederick Brown on 15th Dec 1878 at St Philips Bristol. She is aged 19 at the time of the wedding. On the 1881 census William is a widower staying with Frederick and Elizabeth Brown. His place of birth is given as India. Elizabeth generally gives her birthplace as Bristol and on one occasion as St Philips Bristol. My dad is insistent that my nan said she had welsh roots. I havent found anybody on her line who is welsh. Her maternal line on both sides come from dorset. As i havent been able to find William I have no ideas as to any siblings at all! Oh and William is listed as being a Labourer so nothing unusual there!
As i said I'm probably clutching at straws here.
:)
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You mention Elizabeth's maternal line - so you know who her mother is??
Have you found a marriage for William then?
Puzzled... :D
A ;)
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my nan was Evelyn Gladys Brown, the grandaughter of Fredrick and Elizabeth. Sorry I'm just confusing you!
*slaps self *
oh and no wedding for William! He is just too elusive!
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Well, I kind of had you pegged with a zimmer and a hot water bottle if Elizabeth was your nan, but it is possible...
;D ;D
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hey thats me on a good day!
;D
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On the 1881 census William is a widower staying with Frederick and Elizabeth Brown. His place of birth is given as India.
hate to throw a spanner in - but the image looks more like Henry than William to me !
Compare it to the Wm on the next line !
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Y'know Newfy I think you are right!
I cannot find Henry born India in 1871, but there is one in Devon in 1861 - not sure if the ages match though :-[
I think we are back to square one!
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On the Elizabeths wedding cert it states her father is William.
i've had a look too now.....and your right it could be Henry. An uncle perhaps?
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you'd also expect him to be enumerated as Father-in-Law - not always the case, but would have helped.
Suggest you follow up on those Parish Registers at Glos Records ?
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Not certain here, but I think it will be Bristol Record Office - most south Glos records are there, i believe.
Certainly you need to start again from what you definitely know - give a shout if we can help.
A ;)
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Well thanks for that guys...I guess I'm going to be searching again! Maybe Henry is an uncle that I can tie in somewhere!
*crosses fingers*
Well it explains why I couldn't track a William with that birth date!
;D
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Jacks - it depends how much credence you are putting on that 1871 census find ... that particular chap cant be found in England in 1861 or 1881, based on DoB & PoB .... maybe Wales does figure ?
The records I mentioned are on the 1st page of this thread .... Almondsbury ....
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Just a thought...
Who are the witnesses on Elizabeth's marriage certificate? Quite often they will be sisters and brothers of the bride and groom - they might give you a clue
Just had a look and there is another Elizabeth with a father William who might fit.
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The family appear again in 1871 with the addition of another child Emily (c1869)
You mentioned Elizabeth once lists her birthplace as St Philip Bristol which would tie in. Would you be satisfied with Irish rather than Welsh connections??
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The info I have about the marriage doesnt give witnesses to the wedding.
*sobs quietly*
I'm starting to think that it could be anyone at this point!
...and I thought Frederick Brown's family was bad...his grandad is John Brown who married Mary....
:)
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Tell me about it - I'm trying to track Roberts in Wales!
ps I modified my last post whilst you were replying - what do you think?
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and my last post ?
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Sheikhalbadou, I noted the William Bennett that you referred to and he is a possible.
Newfy, its a possibilty!
They are all possible!!
*screams*
Both Elizabeths seem to be born around the correct date! Sadly she never seems to have had any siblings to visit in later census years!
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