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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Essex => England => Essex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: petey22 on Wednesday 13 December 06 07:53 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
would someone be able to look up the birth of ;
Elizabeth Bocking ( ca1800 ) born Middleton, Essex.
church records, census anything please.
I only have a death certificate giving details ;
died 21-08-1877 , 77 years old , thus born 1800.
thanks in advance to all kind souls out there
Pete Rogers
:D :P ;)
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A strong possibility? 8)
ELIZABETH BOCKING christianed 1st August 1790.......Belchamp Walter, Essex
mother..........Hetty Bocking
HENRIETTA BOCKING christianed 7th Jan 1763......Belchamp Walter, Essex.... parents Jacob & Sarah Bocking
Middleton is next door to Belchamp Walter..............age is the interpretation of the provider! ;)
Bryant
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marriage..............
JACOB BOCKING married SARAH SMITH....22nd Sept 1762.....Cockfield, Suffolk
Cockfield, Suffolk is only about 5 or 6 miles from Middleton/Belchamp Walter, Essex
Bryant
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JACOB BOCKING..........christianed 17th Sept 1731....Sudbury, Suffolk......... parents... ABRAHAM & ABIGAIL BOCKING
Sudbury is a few yards from Middleton
In 1841 their are 49 Bocking's in Essex and 6 in Suffolk............a majority of which live in the same area! ................. all the same family? more than likely
If you go to the www.familysearch.org/ site you will find the Bocking family ........... start at one of those areas where they resided........BULMER is a good one where you will find enough info to build families as per the one below.........
this site http://nzsghamilton.co.nz/england.htm is easier to use if going to specific parishes such as Bulmer (it's the LDS site in simpler format)
children of Thos & Susan.........all christianed at Bulmer
Thos ..........christianed 1711
Hannah...... " 1714
Samuel....... " 1724
Mary .......... " "
Sarah......... " "
Martha....... " "
Abraham.... " "
John......... " "
Martha........ " "
Martha........ " 1727
Isaac........... " 1730
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:)
Bryant
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Hi Bryant :D
thanks for all the info, It will keep me busy over the christmas period.
:-X this is a puzzle that has been bugging me for a while now, its a theory of a cousin of mine,; William was born to Elizabeth and another father who died shortly after ( possibly a William Bocking - name being passed on and so forth ) with brave William Rogers taking on the family. At first I though it was all conjecture but have studied his facts and all the dates seem to make sence.
1 William Rogers --------------------------- 2 Elizabeth Bocking
c 1804 c 1800
married 30-07-1830
all saints Sudbury
3 William Bocking Rogers ---------------- 4 Christiana Lee
c 1829 c 1829
married 17-03-1850
sudbury reg office
1. on the death certificate of William it states that he died 20-07-1872 aged 68 thus born1804 ( by Los and Robin born 1807 )
2. on the death certificate of Elizabeth it states thet she died 21-08-1877,aged 77 years, thus born 1800 ( by Los and Robin born 1805 )
2. and 4. on the marriage certificateit gives the age for both as 21 so both born in 1829 ( by Los and Robin 1831/1828 )
this info puts Wiliam Bocking Rogers a year born out of wedlock so I see his reasoning, although I have recently found William on IGI born 7-3-1807 baptised 8-4-1807 st Gregory Sudbury, which puts doubt as to the info on the marriage certificate. Elizabeth seems to come from nowhere (On a couple of the census records it recorded her birth as Middleton, Essex) although I'll be following up your info.
What do you think of all this ? Is it just a question of a dead end ? ;D
the Bocking Rogers name appears spasmodicly in the next Generation but then dissapears.I also find it strange that William and Elizabeth only had one child with previous and future generations all having 10/13 children. :-X
all the best and thanks again
Pete Rogers
:) merry Christmas 8)
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Personally................
I think that when Elizabeth married William Rogers in 1830 the name of Bocking was added to differentiate or denote William Roger's children from a previous marriage to the children William & Elizabeth intended to have! ............it was common practice
Elizabeth in 1830 would have been at least 28/29 and therefore the odds would probably favour that she has been married before and is not a Bocking (only by marriage) at all?
Their are three William Rogers born in the vicinity and age of your family member...
William Rogers.......christianed 1804 Clare
" " " " 1805 Sudbury
WILLIAM ROGERS " 1807 " this one appears to be yours
their are three marriages of a William Rogers to (listed)
1824 Cavenham
1824 Lavenham
1825 Pakenham
the likelyhood is that whomever he married?.....she died, thus his marriage to Elizabeth Bocking in 1830 Sudbury
their was a William Rogers christianed 26th March 1833.....St Gregory, Sudbury....parents William & Elizabeth Rogers
their was also a Ephraim Rogers born 16th May 1841 at Hundon, Suffolk.....parents William & Elizabeth Rogers and here he is aged 6 weeks living with a family called Sams........why, I haven't a clue
1841
COCK GREEN, HUNDON, SUFFOLK
JOHN SAMS 31 YES
LOUISA " 26 "
NEOMA " 4 "
EMMA " 1.75 "
EPHRAIM ROGERS 6 WEEKS "
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William & Elizabeth Rogers (the parents of Ephraim) are not to be seen in Hundon! 1841
:)
Bryant
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I assume that in 1841 you regard this family as yours?
1841
GREGORY STREET, ST GREGORY, SUFFOLK
WILLIAM ROGERS 34 WEAVER YES
ELIZABETH " 35 NO (NOT BORN SUFFOLK)
WILLIAM " 11 NO
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*the 1841 census used a rounding down process when exact age wasn't known ie 35-39=35..........and based on the 1861 census Elizabeth is more likely to have been born 1801/1802?
1861
GALLERY'S WATER SIDE, ST GREGORY, SUDBURY, SUFFOLK
WILLIAM ROGERS 54 SILK WEAVER SUDBURY, SUFFOLK
ELIZABETH " 60 " MIDDLETON, ESSEX
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their is also another Rogers family living in the same street in 1841.....
HANAMIEL ROGERS 32 WEAVER YES
SARAH " 30 "
HANNAH " 7 "
CHARLES " 6 "
GEORGE " 4 "
SUSANNA " 3 "
ELIZABETH " 1 "
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the father's name has various spellings....HANAMIEL/HANNAMIEL/HANAMUL when you look at the christianings of his children in the 1830's
if you can find a christening of "Hannamiel" he just might be a brother of William?
:) have fun
Bryant
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hi Bryant
yes and yes , Hanemeel brother of William baptised 1-1-1738 all saints, sudbury. Yep, as for the Rogers-Bocking question I'm in two minds , what you say sounds logical and on the other hand I'm descended from a Bocking with a Rogers name and my cousin who is a Roberts is correct. I'm still hoping that they only managed one child.
On a lighter note I've only just started with Geneology and I'm on overload with too much information ( not to mention I've had too much christmas spirit - Whisky ) so thanks for all the research you've done for me and I'll study it all tomorrow with a sober head.
all the best
Pete ( a little worse for the wear ) Rogers ( Bocking ? )
:-X
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Hanemeel brother of William baptised 1-1-1738 all saints, sudbury. ;D must have been nice whiskey...............
William Rogers born 7th March 1807, christianed 8th April 1807....St Gregorys, Sudbury, Suffolk...............parents Zachary Rogers & Hannah Franklin
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Hanameel Rogers christianed 15th June 1808....ditto above
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George Rogers born 11th Jan 1805, christianed 8th April 1807...ditto above
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back to theory...................ie Elizabeth has been married before?
JAMES BOCKING married ELIZABETH TIFFEN....13th November 1820...ALL SAINTS, SUDBURY
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CHARLES BOCKING born 6th Feb 1821, christianed 26th March 1821...ALL SAINTS, SUDBURY
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SARAH BOCKING born 10th May 1823, christianed 5th June 1824 ALL SAINTS, Died 1st September 1830
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JAMES BOCKING born 2nd April 1825, christianed 10th May 1825 ALL SAINTS
JAMES & ELIZABETH are the parents of all three children
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NOW...............
1/ it appears that no children are born after 1825 to James & Elizabeth?
2/ their are no James or Elizabeth Bocking's within the area in 1841!
is it possible that James has died 1824-1829 and left the way for Elizabeth to marry again in 1830?
Bryant
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And lo & behold..................
Elizabeth Tiffen christianed 3rd Sept 1804 St Andrew, Halstead, Essex....about 4 or 5 miles from Middleton and the only one in Essex for the period concerned!
parents..........John & Elizabeth Tiffen
john tiffen c.31ST march 1807
abigail tiffen c. 4th april 1809
joseph tiffen c.16th april 1811
parents john & elizabeth..........christenings took place at St Andrews, Halstead
still a theory........
Bryant
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Hi Bryant :-X
I see you've been busy, thanks for all your efforts. Yes it was a good wiskey, not much left now, only a woozty head. :-\
Elizabeth Tiffen ( nee - Bocking ) looks a very good candidate indeed. like I said the only info I had on my Elizabeth is ;
1 birth - Middleton,Essex (census records ) from Lauren Rogers down under
in Australia
2 died - 21-8-1877 aged 77 giving a birth as c1800 ?( death certificate ) from
my cousin Steve.
3 married 30-7-1830 giving age as 21 in 1830 so born 1809 ?. Lauren has told me that not all info on marriage/death certs was always correct.
So what do we have ? Elizabeth Tiffin born around the right time and the right place ....... 3 kids one dies young........2 kids left........no more kids after 1825.....they seem to dissapear 1841...... father possibly dies.......Elizabeth can re-marry ......all good.
If she re-marries what happens to Charles and James ? they would be 9 and 5 years old if my muzzy head is working correctly.
I do believe now that young Charles Bocking Rogers was born in wedlock (born 2-6-1831) info from Lauren
How do you find all this info so quickly ????
all the best
Pete
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Hello Pete and bye bye Christmas for another year
The info on the Parish records comes from the LDS site... http://www.familysearch.org/
its how you use it (the site) that saves time........search...IGI section....
1/ if you know the father/mother name.....input them.....if you don't but have the person you are looking for's name and where they was born......find it if it's there? ...........once found, enter the parents name and input a question mark in the child's christian name and lo & behold you get the children of the parents!
Your next move...........a new post requesting info from the NBI (NATIONAL BURIAL INDEX) on James Bocking ie did he die 1824-1830 at Sudbury or local area Suffolk......
On the Parish record of the marriage between Elizabeth Bocking & William Rogers in 1830 their would have been witnesses................
1/ who are they?
2/ does it state spinster or widow, bachelor or widower?
3/ the banns would have been read on three consecutive Sundays (immediately prior) to marrying, do they reveal anything
you say the parish record reveals Elizabeth's age as 21.........that's unusual, it normally states of adult age ie above 21.........or a minor ie below 21.........does it mention William's age?
and remember, as yet..............this is just a theory
Bryant
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William & Elizabeth are extremely common names for the period ......... however ............. their are a family of Bocking's in the area.........I will have a look at 1841 to see if they are still around?
ALL SAINTS, SUDBURY
1827
WILLIAM BOCKING B/C 17TH DEC 1827........parents WILLIAM & ELIZABETH
1829
SUSAN BOCKING C. 5TH AUG 1829.............." " "
1831/32
CHARLES BOCKING B. 19TH OCT 1831....C. 1ST JULY 1832 " "
1834
JAMES BOCKING B. 7TH APRIL 1834....C. 11TH MAY 1834 " "
1836
ANN BOCKING C. 18TH DEC 1836 " "
1838
SARAH ELLEN BOCKING B. 7TH SEPT 1838...C. 25TH NOV 1838 " "
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Hi Bryant
I've put in a request in at Suffolk Look-ups for James Bocking, so I'm hoping for a reply.
I've made the same boo-boo that steve has made . I have a copy of William and Elizabeths sons wedding certificate/parish record , William Bocking Rogers and Christiana Lee stating there ages as both 21..........oops. sorry for the mis-information. I must get hold of William and Elizabeths parish record of marriage.
thanks for the look-up tips on family search.org I'll be using them from now on. I'll be taking a good look at http://nzsghamilton.co.nz/england.htm too , when time and the kids permit.
all the best
Pete