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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Sutherland => Topic started by: ronashill on Monday 18 December 06 22:33 GMT (UK)
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Can anybody help with ancestors of George Egerton Ferguson, my great-great-grandfather? He was born on 20 Feb 1845 to John Ferguson and Anne Ferguson (MacLeod). I think John was born on 20 Aug 1813 to Hugh and Margaret (Munro).
Thanks
John
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Hi John
A big Christmas welcome to RootsChat :)
As always with these things, verification of someone's parents, in this case from John Ferguson's death certificate, is important to be 100% sure that you have the correct parents.
Supporting your theory however is the 1851 Census entry for John and Ann:
John Ferguson 37, Gamekeeper, b. Clyne, Sutherland
Anne Ferguson 31,`b. Clyne, Sutherland
Hugh Ferguson 8, b. Lairg, Sutherland
George Ferguson 6, b. Lairg, Sutherland
Margaret Ferguson 4, b. Lairg, Sutherland
Elizabeth Ferguson 2, b. Lairg, Sutherland
Neil Ferguson 1 Month, b. Lairg, Sutherland
Elisabeth Mathesen 20, house servant, b. Dornoch, Sutherland
Hugh Sutherland 65, visitor, blacksmith, b. Clque (?), Sutherland
Certainly, if they followed Scottish naming paterns, you would expect Ann McLeod's parents to be called George and Elizabeth perhaps. Again, if you have a look at Ann's death cert., this would confirm her parents' names.
Regards.
Monica
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From the 1841 Census, this is the closest matching entry for John Ferguson. Everyone showing as born in the County:
John Ferguson, 25-29, Gamekeeper
Merson (female) Ferguson, 20-24
Angus Ferguson, 11
Address: Lairg Village, Lairg, Sutherland
The 1841 Census does not show relationships within a household. Ages for everyone over 15 are also rounded down to the nearest 5, ie John shows as born 1816 for example. Children under 15 are supposed to be written down with their actual age.
Regards.
Monica
Just realised I omitted the address for John and family on the 1851 Census: Wester Lairg, Lairg, Sutherland
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The family are still at Western Lairg in 1861:
John Ferguson 47, gamekeeper
Ann Ferguson 39
George Ferguson 16
Margaret Ferguson 14
Betsy Ferguson 12
John Ferguson 10
Neil Ferguson 10
Janet Ferguson 8
Francis Ferguson 3
Henrietta Gordon 20, domestic servant
Regards.
Monica
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From IGI, births/christening entries for John and Ann's children. All entries in Lairg:
1. HUGH FERGUSON Christening: 15 APR 1842
2. NIEL FERGUSON FERGUSON Birth: 18 JUL 1843
3. GEORGE EGERTON FERGUSON Birth: 21 JAN 1845/ Christening: 20 FEB 1845
4. MARGARET FERGUSON Birth: 23 SEP 1846/ Christening: 10 OCT 1846
5. ELIZABETH FERGUSON Birth: 18 NOV 1848/ Christening: 01 DEC 1848
6. NEIL FERGUSON Birth: 02 SEP 1850/ Christening: 11 SEP 1850 Lairg, Sutherland, Scotland
7. JANET FERGUSON Birth: 18 FEB 1853/ Christening: 10 MAR 1853 Lairg, Sutherland, Scotland
8. WILLIAM FERGUSON Birth: 14 JAN 1855 Lairg, Sutherland, Scotland/ Death: 03 JUN 1856
9. FRANCIS EGERTON FERGUSON Birth: 01 JUN 1857 Lairg, Sutherland, Scotland
10. JOHN FERGUSON Birth: 03 JUN 1860 Lairg, Sutherland, Scotland
11. ANN ISABELLA FERGUSON Birth: 16 JUL 1863 Lairg, Sutherland, Scotland
With these details, and additional early births, a possible name change for Ann's father to Neil!
You have an 1855 birth cert. showing there (William's). The first year of official registration in Scotland and for one year only, the entries ran over two pages of the register with a wealth of additional info. In respect of birth certs, it will include ages of parents, when they married, father's occupation, where they were from, number of children they'd had up (alive/deceased)..... If you are going to view any birth cert. on Scotlands People, that's certainly one to go for!
Regards.
Monica :)
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Every piece of info helps to build the picture ;)
There is an entry on IGI, an actual extract from the OPRs that would fit for Ann:
ANN MC LEOD Birth: 10 JAN 1820 Clyne, Sutherland, Scotland
Parents: Father: NEIL MC LEOD Mother: ELISABETH ROSS
Possible siblings showing on IGI:
1. JOHN MACLEOD Birth: 05 FEB 1835 Golspie, Sutherland, Scotland
2. HUGH MACLEOD Birth: 03 OCT 1830 Golspie, Sutherland, Scotland
3. WILLIAM MC LEOD Birth: 22 DEC 1822/ Christening: 24 DEC 1822 Clyne, Sutherland, Scotland
4. ISABELLA MAC LEOD Birth: 05 AUG 1837 Golspie, Sutherland, Scotland
5. ELIZABETH MACLEOD Birth: 25 MAR 1833 Golspie, Sutherland, Scotland
6. JAMES MACLEOD Birth: 28 JUL 1828 Golspie, Sutherland, Scotland
Monica
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Neil and Elizabeth in 1851 Census:
Niel MacLeod 66, maron (?transcription) master, b. Dornock, Sutherland
Elizabeth MacLeod 53, b. Clyne
Elizabeth MacLeod 17, b. Golspie
Isabella MacLeod 14 b. Golspie
Address: Main Street, Golspie, Sutherland
And in 1861:
Neil MacLeod 76, mason (that's better!), b. Golspie
Elizabeth MacLeod 61, b. Clyne
Isabella MacLeod 24, b. Golspie
Elizabeth G Lanson 27, lodger, teacher
Address: Macleods, Golspie, Sutherland
Given that they lived past 1855 and the start of official registration, you will be able to find hopefully their death certs. to confirm their parents' names......first of all though, you have to confirm that these are Ann's parents 8)
Regards.
Monica
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Monica
thanks for all of this. As you can tell, I'm a beginner at this! This should keep me busy for a while! What's IGI by the way?
Cheers
John
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Hi John
To help you when starting out researching in Scotland, you should have a look at the two links here on Rootschat which explain what is available and also how to get the best out of Scotlands People, the official pay to view BMD and census site. Give a shout if you need any help.
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,24468.0.html
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,43916.0.html
IGI stands for International Genealogical Index and isto be found on the LDS site, family search, at www.familysearch.org . The site is free to use and particularly good in Scotland for the period 1855 (the begining of official registration in Scotland) until 1875. Entries before this date are from the Old Parish Registers (OPRs) and mostly from the established Church of Scotland (Presbyterian). Be aware that members submit some entries which whilst useful need to be verified from other sources (they can be plain wrong!).
Regards.
Monica :)
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Thanks Monica
Cheers
J
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Well I've found John Ferguson's death certificate. 12 April 1899 at Lybster. In 1871 the family were still in Lairg but had moved to Reay Cottage. John and Anne MacLeod married in 1841 on 11 June at Clyne. Now for John's father, Hugh.
J
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Hi John
Well done on finding John's DC. Re his family, can't see a marriage for his parents on IGI. There is however one sibling showing for John, an actual extract from the OPRs:
DONALD FERGUSON Christening: 14 MAY 1804 Clyne, Sutherland, Scotland
Given the probable ages of the parents, they may well have died by the 1841 Census. I did try looking for Hugh in that Census a few days ago and no trace of him. One possibility for Margaret, I'll go back and try and find it!
Regards.
Monica
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I am completely new to rootschat so please excuse me if I get the form wrong. I have just started researching my history but may have some light to throw on this group as I am also trying to research it. John Ferguson (1813-1899) was my great great grandfather and he was a gamekeeper for the Duke of Sutherland. He is rumored to have saved one of the sons of the Duke from drowning in a Loch and interestingly two of his sons, George and Francis have the middle name of Egerton which is the Dukes of Bridgewater family name - they are connected to the Dukes of Sutherland. John had a brother Donald and 11 children with his wife Ann MacLeod (1820-1901). Ann's parents were Neil MacLeod (1788-1875) and Elizabeth Ross (1798-1885)et Munro.
I am trying to get some info on John's parents Hugh Ferguson and Margaret Munro I have been told by Grant from the Sutherland Google group that they lived at Urachill (various spelling) in Strath Brora.
If you can help on any of the above I should be delighted to hear from you.
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Hi Clarets
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Hopefully you and John can compare notes. Just checking whether both of you have seen the entry on Scotlands People for last Will & Testament for John Ferguson which might provide some additional info:
John Ferguson, 10/05/1899, retired Gamekeeper, Lybster, Caithness, d. 12/04/1899 at Lybster, intestate - Wick Sheriff Court, Refs: SC14/40/16
Monica :)
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Hi Monica,
Yes I have seen it - thank you for your promt response . His insurance payment seemed fairly good although the value of his personal effects were a bit low. I am fascinated that a gamekeeper - son of a crofter (during the clearances) should have become so relatively well off. Two of his sons came south and had factory's of their own (rubberproofing and a foundry I believe) one in Manchester and one in Wolverhampton and its this apparent contradiction which is really intriguing me. Maybe there was something in the life saving activity!
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Sounds like an industrious family - oh for a glass ball sometimes ;D
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hi john
John and Aan Ferguson were my mother's grandparents my mother was named after her grandmother Ann Mcleod her mother was Ann Isabella Ferguson she married Robert Hardie Arbuckle in Inverness in1893 I am interested in my scottish family as the Arbuckle clan came out to New Zealand in 1908 my mother was born in Uphall Edinburgh, the Arbuckles farmed in that district.
Jocelyn
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Hi Jocelyn,
I guess we must be some kind of second cousins as a John and Ann were my Great Grandparents too. My Great Grandfather was John Ferguson and like his brothers Francis and George he moved to England. Francis and George ending up with factories of their own and alas John didn't. I guess a lot of the info you need is in this thread but I can take you back a little - I am still new to this so have not got too far.
Ann Isabella's parents were Neil 1788-1875 and Elizabeth Ross 1798 - 1885. Neil's father was William and his mother was Ann Leslie but I have not further details except his father was also a mason.
Elizabeth's parents were Hugh Ross and Ann Gunn again no details.
I have just had my first visit to the Scottish Highlands and I have found Neil and Ann's house (which is for sale incidentally) on Main Street Golspie - it has been subdivided into two houses way back in the 1860's and the main body of the house is now called Clach Ruadh which is Gaelic for Red Stone and the smaller subdivision is called anvil house. There is a small blacksmiths shop behind the houses.
If you would like details of any of Ann Ferguson's siblings (she was the youngest) contact me with what you need and I may have some info. I should be interested in hearing more detail about your antecedants as I am trying to build up a family picture. The Fergusons are a well travelled lot as all of my grandparents family moved to Toronto at the start of the 50's except for my father.
If anyone has details of any of the people listed above as no info I should be delighted to hear it.
I have photographs of the house if you want a copy I will need your email details.
Bernard
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Jocelyn,
Missed a Great out of the first line of previous post. John and Ann were my great great grandparents. My great grandfather was their son also called John who was born in 1860 and was married to Mary Bond who was born in 1866 and had eight children including my grandfather Norman who was born in 1895. Hope that is a bit clearer.
Bernard
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hi John
I am very thrilled that we have at long last found relatives living on the otherside of the world ,I am the eldest of 5 girls ,my mother had 1 sister and 2 brothers my Aunt Robina had a daughter, Uncle Bill had 3 son's and a daughter, Uncle Jack left the family after the first world war and was never heard of so what happen to him will always be a mystery.I would like to to have a photo of the house ,also I would like to be able to e-mail you. I am new to this game as well.
Jocelyn
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Jocelyn
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Hi Anwar,Thank you for adding your name to what has been a real puzzle not knowing if we had any relations in the UK or Scotland. I am sure you will be hearing a lot more from us here in New Zealand ,I have 5 cousins and 3 sisters one of my sisters died about 20years ago.
I will send you a e-mail with more details.
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Hi everyone,
my name is James Ferguson and I live in Manchester, England.
I am sure we must be from the same family.
I was always told a story growing up that an ancester of mine was a gamekeeper for a Scottish laird and he had saved the Laird's son when he fell from his boat during a storm.
I may have this wrong, but I think the gamekeeper, or maybe a son of his, was given a ticket to England as a reward where they worked for the Egerton family at Heaton Hall in Manchester. Coincidentally I now live just a mile from the hall, which now lies within Manchester's biggest public park - Heaton Park.
There must be some link here with the name Egerton, which has also been mentioned here. I have the middle name Egerton, as does my father and my grandfather's brother (who died in the WW2). I believe the first born son of every generation has the name.
My grandfather, now 92, worked in the family business, which was a factory that waterproofed material in Failsworth, Manchester. The factory is still there and has a sign saying AOF, which I believe stands for Alfred Oswald Ferguson, though it is in an area marked for redevelopment and may not be around much longer.
I do not have precise knowledge of the family history and my memory of what I have been told is a bit hazy, but I hope that this is of interest to you.
All the best,
John James Egerton Ferguson
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Hi James
Your Grandfather is my mothers 1st cousin he must have been the youngest grandchild of John and Ann Ferguson ,my mother was named after Ann Ferguson nee Mcleod she was the eldest child of Ann Isabella Ferguson. We were told that my mother had 2 uncles in Manchester but never found out where the lived . so it has been a great thrill to be able to catch up with some of our decsendants. I have attach a photo of the ann ferguson's family I hope you can open it, this is the first time that I have tried to do this.
All the best
Jocelyn Great Grandaughter of John and Ann Ferguson
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Hi everyone,
Thanks for the great information, it's been such a fabulous find. The UK 1911 census that’s just been released finally allowed me to find out where my Great Grandfather was born and I've been overwhelmed by the information I've found in this post.
He was John Ferguson born 1860/61, Lairg, Sutherland, listed in MonicaLesi's post above. My Granddad was Richard Bond Ferguson born 1904, his siblings - William 1901, Norman 1896, Annie 1894, Blanche 1891, Jessie, 1889. All born in/around Salford, Greater Manchester.
To Jocelyn – It looks like you’re describing my Great Grandfathers sister Annabella born Lairg Reay Cottage, Sutherland, abt 1863?
To Bernard– my Granddads brother Norman Ferguson – born Failsworth, Lancashire, abt 1896, moved to Canada sometime after WW2, the brother of my Granddad Richard Bond Ferguson? He visited my Grandparents sometime in the ‘70s when they lived in the Isle of Man. What do you know about the factories?
To John James Egerton Ferguson - I'd be really interested to know what your Grandfather remembers of the factory and any other Ferguson family members he can remember, is this the factory/warehouse in Cobden St, Salford? My Grandmothers brother lived in Cobden Street and was an 'indian rubber worker' – Thomas Holland born abt. 1888. The older Ferguson girls might have been working there - Jessie, Blanche and Annie - but I suspect he wouldn't remember them… probably before his time. I’d be also interested to know what you know of your family history.
If anyone has details of any of the people in this post I’d be very grateful to hear from you and share what I know.
Kind Regards
Bev
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Hi Everybody ,
I to would like to know about the factorys so I can pass the informatiom on to my cousin who's mother was the youngest child of Ann Isabella Ferguson.
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Another Hugh Ferguson b. ca 1770 also lived in Urachyle or Urachoile, Strath Brora, Clyne. His spouse was Janet Sutherland. Three of his children, Elspeth, 1795, Alexander 1800 and Barbara, emigrated to Earltown, Nova Scotia in 1821. Earltown was settled by approximately100 families from Clyne, Rogart and Dornoch.
Hugh had a brother George who was the miller at Kilpheddermore, Clyne. George was married to Catherine Graham of Urachyle. George died of cancer in 1817 after which his widow and five children emigrated to Earltown.
Glen in Nova Scotia
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Hi 2 have a brothers, 1 called James Egerton Ferguson and the other John Ferguson. My name was Ann Ferguson. Our Grandparents arrived in Salford England in 1926, from Canada. I have a whole family tree of Ferguson's but it seems that your genealogy is completely different from ours. The names are so similar as to make me look further into this. our family tree is on www.myheritage.com
search for the name Nissen
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my email address is (*) please reply regarding last post Brother James Egerton Ferguson,, Brother John Ferguson, me Ann Nissen (nee Ferguson) Grandparents and 3 bothers and a sister arrived from Canada 1926 Lived 162 (214) Eccles Old Road, Salford 6. Uncle named Egerton Ferguson, Grandfather named Egerton Ferguson. see www.myheritage.com/Nissen
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I am so happy to find this group! My great-great-great father is Georges Ferguson (1780-1817) was married with Catherine Graham. Do you know his parents?! :-) Thank you so much!!!!