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Title: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: Josephine on Tuesday 26 December 06 01:06 GMT (UK)
Alexander Trotter, born circa 1799 somewhere in County Leitrim, came to Canada about 1827 (via the Canada Company) with his wife Margaret (maiden name unknown), born circa 1799 in Ireland. 

With them were sons:
-  Robert Trotter born circa 1820 somewhere in County Leitrim, Ireland
-  William Trotter born circa 1821 somewhere in County Leitrim, Ireland

I don't know  if they had any other children who were born in Ireland.

These children were born in Pittsburgh, Frontenac County, Ontario, Canada:
-  John Trotter born circa 1829
-  Jane Trotter born circa 1834
-  Alexander Trotter born circa 1836
-  Mary Trotter born circa 1840

Alexander and Margaret's grandson, Beecham Trotter, mentioned in his book that the Trotters were from Leitrim.

Seeking any family or info on family who might have stayed in Ireland or emigrated elsewhere.

Thank you!
Josephine
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: rayswanson on Monday 15 June 15 11:29 BST (UK)
Hi Josephine:

My great great great grandfather was James Trotter abt. 1783 who married Sarah Campbell in the Church of Ireland, Manorhamilton, Cloonclare, Leitrim in 1819. He moved his family to ON in the late 1830's, possibly 1837. His daughter Ann married my great great grandfather Samuel Carson, who was also from Leitrim, in Grey ON. There's a good chance the Trotters and Carsons knew each other in Leitrim.

I've done a bit of work on the Trotters and am thinking yours might be related. There weren't many. I think James had a brother John, and they probably lived in Tullyskeherny townland just outside the town of Manorhamilton. There was a clump of them from here.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Best,

Ray Swanson
White Rock, BC
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 15 June 15 12:16 BST (UK)
A few Trotter g/stones on igp-web...  http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/leitrim/photos/tombstones/markers.htm  search box on page
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: rayswanson on Monday 15 June 15 22:02 BST (UK)
Thanks. I've already seen those.
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 15 June 15 22:40 BST (UK)
Yes I knew that, of course!!
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: rayswanson on Tuesday 16 June 15 00:21 BST (UK)
I do appreciate you pointing it out! No doubt the Trotter headstones at Manorhamilton COI are relatives of mine.

My main quest is trying to find my Carson Leitrim origins.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,

Ray
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: Josephine on Tuesday 16 June 15 17:17 BST (UK)
Hi, Ray:

Thanks so much for your message!

Unfortunately, I don't have any information about the Trotters' lives in Ireland or any connections to a Carson family.

All I know is that, according to Beecham's book, the family came  from County Leitrim, their ship landed at Quebec and the family settled in Frontenac County, Ontario.

As adults, Beecham and his cousin Alex (my husband's g-g-grandfather) left Ontario and helped to settle the town of Brandon, Manitoba.

Beecham's book contains scant information about his family origins.

Best regards,
Josephine
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: rayswanson on Tuesday 16 June 15 21:11 BST (UK)
Thanks Josephine:

I used to live in Brandon. Interesting.

I've had a look at what Irish records I could find, and don't see any of your relatives, mostly because the records don't usually go back far enough. The name Alexander only comes up in the Trotters from Killarga Parish who mostly lived in Altavra townland, and also Gortahork.

Looks like mine came from the Manorhamilton area, and yes, those Manorhamilton COI gravestones are my relatives.

Here are a few records which might be related to your bunch:

Marriages

Church Marriage Record
Date of Marriage - 29-Mar-1847
Parish / District - KILLANUMMERY CHURCH OF IRELAND - (Leitrim) - County - Co. Leitrim
Husband - Wife
Name - Alixander Trotter - Anne Collins
Address - Knocknacullion - Ligreghan
Denomination - Church of Ireland - Church of Ireland
Occupation:
Age:
Status:
Husband's Father - Wife's Father
Name - Thomas Trotter - John - Collins
Knocknacullion is in either Outeragh or Killarga Parish/

Deaths/Burials

Church Burial Record
Name - Mary Trotter - Date of Death - 21-Jul-1828   
Age - 35 - Parish/District - DRUMLEASE CHURCH OF IRELAND
Address - Altavra Killargue - County - Co. Leitrim
Status - Denomination - Church of Ireland
Occupation - Sex - Female

Church Burial Record
Name - Mary Trotter - Date of Death - 10-Jul-1854   
Age - 15 - Parish/District - DRUMLEASE CHURCH OF IRELAND
Address - Killargue - County - Co. Leitrim
Status - Denomination - Church of Ireland
Occupation - Sex - Female

Civil Death Record
Name - Thomas Trotter - Date of Death - 08-Mar-1864
Age - 90 - Parish/District - DRUMKEERAN CIVIL REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Address - Gurtahurka - County - Co. Leitrim
Status - Widower (Male) - Denomination - Not Recorded
Occupation - FARMER - Sex - Male
Graveyard - Informant
Graveyard - Relationship - Occupier
Parish - Name - Jared Ovens
County - Address - Gurtahurka
Gortahork is in Killarga.

Church Burial Record
Name - John Trotter - Date of Death - 08-Jun-1863   [1819]
Age - 44 - Parish/District - CLOONCLARE CHURCH OF IRELAND
Address - Gortahusk Innismagrath - County - Co. Leitrim
Status - Denomination - Church of Ireland
Occupation - Sex - Male
Buried in Cloonclare, so quite possibly one of the Manorhamilton bunch. Probably Gortahork in Killarga.

Civil Death Record
Name - Isabella Trotter - Date of Death - 03-Jul-1905
Age - 16 - Parish/District - DRUMKEERAN CIVIL REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Address - Altavra - County - Co. Leitrim
Status - Spinster (Previously unmarried) - Denomination - Not Recorded
Occupation - CHILD OF ALEXANDER TROTTER A FARMER - Sex - Female
Graveyard - Informant
Graveyard - Relationship - Father
Parish - Name - Alexander Trotter
County - Address - Altavra

Civil Death Record
Name - William Trotter - Date of Death - 04-Oct-1916
Age - 20 - Parish/District - DRUMKEERAN CIVIL REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Address - Altavra - County - Co. Leitrim
Status - Bachelor (Previously unmarried) - Denomination - Not Recorded
Occupation - CHILD OF WILLIAM A FARMER - Sex - Male
Graveyard - Informant
Graveyard - Relationship - Father
Parish - Name - William Trotter
County - Address - Altavra

and the 1901 census:

Surname - Forename - Townland/Street - DED - County - Age - Sex
Killarga Parish is in the south end of the northern half of Leitrim bordering Drumlease on its NW corner.
Trotter - Maria - Altavra - Killarga - Leitrim - 35 - F
Trotter - Elizabeth - Altavra - Killarga - Leitrim - 5 - F
Trotter - Issabella - Altavra - Killarga - Leitrim - 12 - F
Trotter - Anne Jane - Altavra - Killarga - Leitrim - 36 - F
Trotter - Fanny - Altavra - Killarga - Leitrim - 11 - F
Trotter - Isaac - Altavra - Killarga - Leitrim - 9 - M
Trotter - Thomas - Altavra - Killarga - Leitrim - 6 - M
Trotter - Alexandra - Altavra - Killarga - Leitrim - 4 - M
Trotter - William - Altavra - Killarga - Leitrim - 54 - M
Trotter - William - Altavra - Killarga - Leitrim - 5 - M
Trotter - Thomas - Altavra - Killarga - Leitrim - 2 - M
Trotter - William - Altavra - Killarga - Leitrim - 90 - M
Trotter - Alexander - Altavra - Killarga - Leitrim - 50 - M
Trotter - Jane - Altavra - Killarga - Leitrim - 12 - F
Trotter - Gerald - Altavra - Killarga - Leitrim - 0 - M

Regards,

Ray

Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: Josephine on Tuesday 16 June 15 23:44 BST (UK)
Thanks very much, Ray!

Good luck in your search!

Best regards,
Josephine
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: Pom on Monday 28 November 16 18:21 GMT (UK)
 :) Hello I was just wondering if any of my Leitrim Trotter's are related to any of your families... I do know they came from Leitrim and traveled to Dunkinfield in England, not sure when though... I do have then on the 1871 Census :
1871
RG10/4084 38 17
Dukinfield, Lancashire
5 Hoolly? Place
Gerrard Trotter, head, 61, Stone Mason
Jane, wife, 57
Dorothy, dau, unm, 31, Frame Tenter
Gerrard, son, 22, Cotton Stripper
Anne Jane, dau, 26, Frame Tenter
Margaret, dau, 18, Frame Tenter
Erwin, son, 16, Piecer
John, son, 5, Piecer
All born Ireland.

 Margaret Trotter aged 22yrs m Enoch Beeley aged 21yrs 1877 in Dukinfield, they were my Great Grandparents... thanx for reading  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: rayswanson on Monday 28 November 16 23:46 GMT (UK)
Hi there:

Thanks for your note.

I have Gerrard on my tree as a son of John Trotter (DOB ca 1810) and Maria Unknown, sib of Mary Anne and John.

Gerrard Trotter - Date of Birth
Date of Baptism - 25-Oct-1841
Address - Tullyskreeny - Parish/District - CLOONCLARE CHURCH OF IRELAND
Gender - Male - County - Co. Leitrim
Denomination - Church of Ireland
Father - John Trotter - Mother - Maria Not Recorded

(Tullyskeherny is a townland in Cloonclare Parish near Manorhamilton town).

Gerrard's father John was born ca 1810 (estimate), and, having lived in Tullyskeherny, was a probable son of John 1778-1852 who was married to Mary Ann maiden name unknown, but possibly Johnston because of the name of one of her grandkids.

John may have been a brother to my great great great grandfather James Trotter 1783-1881 who married Sarah Campbell in Manorhamilton. They moved to Ontario, Canada in the 1830s.

You can see there are a lot of probably's, possibly's, mostly based on geography and dates, so these connections are tentative. Due to the lack of records this may be as close as we can get to certainty other than DNA testing.

A number of my close relatives have done DNA tests with Ancestry.com and one way we can check if we're related is for you to do the test. Even better would be an older relative in the line of Gerrard.

If my above connections are correct we're probably 5th cousins or so.

One other thing, I have a marriage record for a Jarrod married to Catherine Henigan in 1864. Jarod and Gerrard were uncommon names back then and probably indicate the name of an ancestor. Not sure how Jarrod and Gerrard might be linked if at all.

Best Regards,

Ray
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 29 November 16 00:05 GMT (UK)
Jarrod and Catherine had a son John in 1868
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03420/2254608.pdf

I was hopeing to find the John from the 1871 Census but this other John might prove useful some day
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: rayswanson on Tuesday 29 November 16 00:06 GMT (UK)
Hi there:

Sorry, I have it all wrong by a generation, so disregard my previous post. Your Gerrard, if from Leitrim, may have been a son of John 1778-1852 that I don't have on my tree.

Do you have any records showing he was from Leitrim?

The Gerrard I showed in my previous post could have been a nephew of your Gerrard.

Best,

Ray

Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 29 November 16 00:24 GMT (UK)
There is a will of a Thomas Trotter 1880 from Tullyskerarney, could he be another brother or cousin.
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/wr/details.jsp?id=IRE/ORIG/WILL/REG/20178
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 29 November 16 01:09 GMT (UK)
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?si=13812782&pid=r&n=0&_charset_=UTF-8&bcd=%C3%B7&query=Trotter&s=leitrimstones

Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: Pom on Saturday 03 December 16 21:55 GMT (UK)
Thanx  everyone  for  the  info' I will be looking into your replies. ..however  we are having a number   of earthquakes and after shocks here  where I live in NZ so I am having to put research on hold for a while... some repairs  need attending too... All the  best  for Christmas and 2017   :)
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 03 December 16 22:02 GMT (UK)
Thanx  everyone  for  the  info' I will be looking into your replies. ..however  we are having a number   of earthquakes and after shocks here  where I live in NZ so I am having to put research on hold for a while... some repairs  need attending too... All the  best  for Christmas and 2017   :)

All the best!

Stay safe!
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: trottersyd on Sunday 22 July 18 23:28 BST (UK)
Hi, I have looked in the  1901 census and found my great grandfather Thomas Trotter born 1855. He had 2 sons, William my grandfather aged 6 at the time of the census and Thomas his brother aged 5. They had 3 sisters, Charlotte aged 13, Margaret 8 and Adelaide 3. Their mother was called Jane, possibly nee Jameson due to the fact that there is an aunt named Jameson registered to the same house aged 72.
They lived in the townland of Boihy, in the parish of Drumlease. Other than that I have very little information.
I am in the process of doing the DNA test so am happy to help others of the same name. If you can shed any light on the above please do respond.
Thanks
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 22 July 18 23:33 BST (UK)
LINK

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Leitrim/Cloonlougher/Boihy/654171/
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 22 July 18 23:40 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat
Could Jane be a second wife?
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Cloonlogher/Boihy/1486166/
Charlotte's birth cert gives mother as Anne Duncan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02538/1939804.pdf

Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 22 July 18 23:41 BST (UK)
CIVIL REG  Birth, Marriage and Death results for TROTTER
Area - Manorhamilton

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01me7/
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 22 July 18 23:44 BST (UK)
Party 1 Name   THOMAS TROTTER
Party 2 Name   JANE JAMESON
Date of Event   29 January 1891
Group Registration ID   2560824
SR District/Reg Area   Sligo

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10658/5883681.pdf
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: trottersyd on Sunday 22 July 18 23:48 BST (UK)
Yes Jane is a second wife, my mum confirmed he was married before.
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 22 July 18 23:49 BST (UK)
Married Jane Jameson 1891
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10658/5883681.pdf

Sorry only saw the last post, not hallmark's
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 22 July 18 23:53 BST (UK)
Married Anne in 1879
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1879/11056/8044873.pdf
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 22 July 18 23:55 BST (UK)
His father James died 1886
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1886/06233/4784115.pdf
Mother still alive but Thomas was the informant
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 22 July 18 23:56 BST (UK)
Married Jane Jameson 1891
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1891/10658/5883681.pdf

Sorry only saw the last post, not hallmark's



Grrrrr....   ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 22 July 18 23:57 BST (UK)
They can be researched here...

CIVIL REG  Birth, Marriage and Death results for TROTTER
Area - Manorhamilton

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01me7/
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 22 July 18 23:59 BST (UK)
Mother was Mary died Dec 1890, registered 1891.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06081/4734497.pdf
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Monday 23 July 18 00:01 BST (UK)
If they Married. Died etc elsewhere.....

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01me8/  will get Registrations for them.
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: Sinann on Monday 23 July 18 00:10 BST (UK)
I was hopeing his parents would have a child after civil registration of births started in 1864 but I can't see one up to 1870, to get her surname, they might have a marriage cert as thay weren't RC but the image of it wont be online yet if they do have one, and couples aren't matched up yet that early.
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: gaffy on Monday 23 July 18 01:00 BST (UK)
Possible marriage?

James Trotter of Tullyskeherny married Mary Weir of Boihy in Drumlease Church of Ireland on 30 September 1846, James' father was John Trotter, Mary's father was Spence Weir. Griffith's Valuation has an entry for Spence Weir in Boihy (print date 1857), likewise the Tithe Applotment books (1834):
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587434/004587434_00374.pdf

You can see the possible connection of this John Trotter in previous posts of this topic.

Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: trottersyd on Monday 23 July 18 01:10 BST (UK)
Thanks Sinann, hallmark
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: FINGREAGH on Saturday 14 December 19 18:03 GMT (UK)
My father , born 1899 and his parents lived at Tullyskeherney, and the ruins of the house still exist.
John Trotter was as far as i could go back to. He settled there about 1810, and his son Christopher Trotter was my grandfather.  They were related to the Trotters of Boihy, who originally lived on the upper road beside a stream, and later moved to the banks of the Bonet river.   Some of my Trotterts are buried in the C of I. Manorhamilton The grave stone has a small urn on top, and a biblical reading as well.
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: FINGREAGH on Saturday 14 December 19 18:05 GMT (UK)
Sorry Christopher was my great grandfather.  My fathers's middle name was Christopher.
Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 22 December 19 08:32 GMT (UK)



Are they the ones who own the Quarry?




Title: Re: Alexander Trotter born circa 1799 in Leitrim
Post by: FINGREAGH on Sunday 22 December 19 12:05 GMT (UK)
Sorry I do not have an Alexander in my Trotter branch.  That was a mistake.  John settled in Tullyskeherny. Two sons continued to farm there. One was  Christopher, the remains of his house are still standing.  Christopher was my ggfather.
 The other was Thomas, whose son, Edward, had the lime kiln on the roadside. I understand that his descendants they went on to establish the quarry at Lurganboy.
Most of the info I have came from an Alfie Trotter who lived to be 100 and died some years ago.