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Hi all,
I have to honest and confess that I do often tune in and watch Most Haunted - sometimes I'm convinced and other times I'm not...!
The episode I saw last night though (for the first time - it used to clash with pub nights!!) really did intrigue me.
Spitbank Fort. One mile off-shore from Portsmouth Harbour. Apparently only one man ever died there and he haunts it to this day. Seemingly he's angry because his death was accidental and he knows it was preventable. They seemed to get all the details 'correct' on the show - whether it was previously researched is something to be proven or not - so, I decided I'd have a look for him in the records this morning. Which has really started me off!!
Henry Attreal
Birth
Q June 1874
Lewes
Sussex, East Sussex
Vol 2b
Pg 186
1881
17 Farm House, Rodmell, Sussex
Thomas Attreal, Head, 35, Ag Lab, Lewes
Jane Attreal, Wife, 29, Rodmell
Henry Attreal, Son, 6, Scholar, Rodmell
James Attreal, Son, 5, Scholar, Rodmell
Ellen Attreal, Daughter, 3, Rodmell
Edgar Attreal, Son, 1, Rodmell
James Attreal, Brother, 29, Ag Lab, Lewes
RG11/1075 F 70 P 3
Henry Attreal
Death
Age 36
Q Sept 1910
Portsmouth
Hampshire
Vol 2b
Pg 289
So, what is this posting for exactly? (I'm not sure myself!) This man has really intrigued me - I suppose I just want to find out as much about him as possible - what was his military history (they say he was a Sergeant)? Did he have a family? Are there any Attreal decendents out there? We're not connected so why has he bothered me this much? Again, I'm not sure...but he's stuck in my mind!! I really must get out more...
Regards, Emma ;)
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I know what you mean Emma. I have often seen a name and date on a programme and decided to have a look and see what I can find, especially to check facts
It takes my mind off my brick walls for a while and puts a bit of interest back into the researching
Carol
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I agree Carol,
Emsworthy, I didn't see the program, but he does not seem to jump out of the the 1891 or '01 Census so perhaps he was a serving soldier ??? I guess Attreal could be mis-transcribed in all too many ways but I could only seem to find brother James?
Wendi
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Thanks for your reply Carol - it sure does make a difference to be looking at someone like Henry - noone in my tree has lived anywhere as exciting as that, yet!
Typical! Thanks for taking the time to look though Wendi!
He's still playing on my mind (now, I'm either psychic all of a sudden and he's there or I need to get out more - I know which one I'm going with!) As the accident was in 1910 and in peacetime, would there have been any newspaper reports or photos of him anywhere?
Regards, Emma ;)
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He's here in 1891
Rodmell, Sussex
Thomas Altrell, Head, 43, Ag Lab
Jane Altrell, Wife, 39
Henry Altrell, Son, 16, Ag Lab
James Altrell, Son, 15, Ag Lab
Ellen Altrell, Daughter, 13
Edgar Altrell, Son, 11, Ag Lab
Frank Altrell, Son, 9, Scholar
Frederick Altrell, Son, 7, Scholar
Albert Altrell, Son, 4
Elizabeth Altrell, Daughter, 2
Annie Altrell, Daughter, 2wks
All born Rodmell
RG12/801 F 63 P 5 & 6
Regards, Emma ;)
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Well hunted out ;D
Guess Portsmouth Library might have something on it. The local history dept. accept email enquiries via reference.library[at]portsmouthcc.gov.uk
Wendi :)
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Here's his brother Em !
In Memory of
Corporal ALBERT ATTREALL
L/8032, "A" Coy. 2nd Bn., Royal Sussex Regiment
who died age 29
on 09 May 1915
Son of the late Thomas and Jane Attreall, of Rodmill, Lewes, Sussex.
Remembered with honour
LE TOURET MEMORIAL
Annie :)
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I think this is his brother James !! ::)
1901
James Attreal 58 Head Lewes Sussex Coachman
Julia Attreal 39
RG13 Piece 942 Folio 15 Page 21
Annie :)
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Hi Annie,
Thanks for taking the time to look! I believe that was his Uncle James...
According to the telly (I must learn to take things with a pinch of salt!), Henry had that 'Victorian look - curly hair and the large sideburns' - so you see, I have a mental picture! Just a shame we can't know for certain!
Regards, Emma ;)
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Em !
You're telling Wendi and I ..... about pictures ?? ...................... oh boy ... we love 'em !! :)
You'd be amazed at what WE can concoct !! :D :D :D :D
We have another storm supposedly starting in about an hour or so .... so I'll be taking another look later !!
Annie :)
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Hi All
Just found this as reported in The Times, Tuesday, Aug 16, 1910; pg. 3; Issue 39352; col D
Naval And Military Intelligence.
Category: Official Appointments and Notices.
"The funeral of Sergt. Henry Attriall, of the 67th Company of Royal Garrison Artillery, who lost his life by the gun explosion at the Spitbank Fort, Portsmouth, on Thursday last, took place with full military honours at the Highland Road Cemetery, Portsmouth. Maj-Gen. J K Trotter, commanding the Southern Coast Defences, was present at the graveside, and all the principal officers of the Royal Garrison Artillery in the town also attended, as well as about 500 non-commissioned officers and men, all the other corps in garrison likewise sending representatives."
Sarah :)
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Thanks Sarah!
So that gives us his death date of 11th August 1910 if my brain is working...
I had a scout around GR to see if anyone was researching the family on there and a name was thrown out in the search. I sent a brief message asking if it was the same Henry so will see if I get a reply. Why on earth should I be so intrigued by this man?!
Regards, Emma ;)
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It's that mental picture ;)
Why not I say, go with the flow - you never know where it may lead!
He lays with an august group!
http://www.rootschat.com/links/011z/
Wendi :)
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Why on earth should I be so intrigued by this man?!
Regards, Emma ;)
Makes a change from doctors Em !! :D :D :D :D :D :D
Nice job Sarah ! ........ and he had full military honours too ! I wonder if it was " friendly fire " ??
Maybe that's why you're involved Emma ......... you are "feeling" something maybe !
I'm interested now and I didn't even watch the program !! :)
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Hey, give me credit Annie....Consultants!!
Apparently he was killed during a drill - don't ask me anything about weapons and the like, but they had rear loading cannons and during one of the drills the catch came open and the amunition fell out and exploded which killed him. This is one of the reasons why he is still so angry - it was so preventable...
Regards, Emma ;)
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Nice job Sarah !
Sorry Sarah I should have acknowledged great detective work in my last post - it was a really good find :D
Wendi
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Maybe you should go Emma ! ......... maybe as you're a sympathetic observer ..... he might be able to tell you something ... ( I'm serious ! .. stranger things have happened ! )
http://www.darkencounters.co.uk/acatalog/07_04_07_Spitbank_Fort.html
Annie :)
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Morning all,
Just a quick update - I had a reply from GR!! :) Turns out that the person is Henry's 2xGt Niece and she is quite interested in what we are doing. I have replied so will see what happens next!
Regards, Emma ;)
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Morning Emma :)
I called the cemeteries office this morning and asked them to locate his grave for you - they are on the case ;D
Wendi :)
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It's all coming together!! I gave her a link to this thread so she may come and have a look at some time. I said hopefully we can build a fitting tribute to Henry...
Regards, Emma ;)
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Hi All
This is what happened... :(......
(The Times, Saturday, Aug 13, 1910; pg. 6; Issue 39350; col F
The Gun Explosion At Portsmouth.
Category: News)
Sarah :)
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Oh wow Sarah ! :o :o :o
Thank you for posting that ... how awful !
On the Spitbank Fort website .... you can take a virtual tour ..... I stayed in the Cannon Room for ages trying to imagine !! :-\ :-\
Poor guy !
Annie
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Thank you Sarah! Where do you find all these things?
Regards, Emma ;)
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Ancient Chinese Secret Emma !! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Aah, OK... :D ;D
Regards, Emma ;)
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Anyone got any idea what his uniform would have been like?
Regards, Emma ;)
P.S. I'm hoping it's not an ancient Chinese secret....!! :P
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Well you can look at this Emma .... as long as you don't tell anyone !! ;) ;) ;) ;)
http://www.directart.co.uk/mall/more.php?ProdID=10136
Of course that would be the dress uniform ..... otherwise it's khaki !!
Annie :)
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Very smart! Still wouldn't pay 75 quid for the picture though... :P ;D
(have sworn myself to secrecy about my sources...!)
Regards, Emma ;)
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Did anyone notice his name was Atrill in the newspaper article, no wonder we can't find people ;)
Well done everybody for finding out all the information.
Barbara 8)
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Hi Emma !
Did you ever hear anything from Henry's niece ( x? )
can we keep this thread going? :)
Annie :)
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I'm a big fan of Most Haunted and have been watching it for a few years now. I only came across this thread by accident, and am most impressed by all your detective work. Fantastic ;)
Back to Emma's original post....when I watch the programme I quite often find myself looking up names of the so-called spirits in the various census, just to see whether they did in fact exist.
I think it must be a Rootschat thing, coz only you lot will understand ;D ;D
I hope this thread continues, and I, for one, will be following it closely.
Well done!
Jan
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Afternoon all,
Have nothing new to report as of yet - no new from Henry's 2xGt Niece. Will be sure to let you know if I hear anything. Maybe I will send her a little reminder in the future if nothing happens, although I don't want to rush her...I know what I'm like at replying to messages!!
Regards, Emma ;)
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can we keep this thread going? :)
Annie :)
Bruddy hope so! I'm waiting for a reply from "Jerry" down at the Cemeteries Office that he has located Henry's grave for us ;D Jerry said he'd be back to me the middle of this week....
I'll give him an extra 2 days for New Years and Bank Holiday.....remember those Annie, Bank Holidays !!!!
Wendi :)
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can we keep this thread going? :)
Annie :)
Bruddy hope so! I'm waiting for a reply from "Jerry" down at the Cemeteries Office that he has located Henry's grave for us ;D Jerry said he'd be back to me the middle of this week....
I'll give him an extra 2 days for New Years and Bank Holiday.....remember those Annie, Bank Holidays !!!!
Wendi :)
Well we don't get those ..... and I forgot !! :P :P :P :P
Come on Jerry !! :)
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Yeah, come on Jerry!! It's mid-week Wednesday!! ;D
Watched the first of the new series of Most Haunted last night - yet another ghost with a tragic demise...but didn't get to me in quite the same way!! (And if you think I'm looking for a James or John Jones in Wales, you've got another thing coming!!)
For me, it's Henry Attreal all the way (no matter how you spell it!!) :D
Regards, Emma ;)
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Jerry's called :D
Henry Attreall - that's the spelling they have for him ::) was buried on 15th August 1910 in Area K Row 6 Grave Number 1.
with no Memorial :(
No one is buried with him and no one owns the rights to the grave ???
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Good old Jerry !! :) :)
Thank you ! but what a shame there's no memorial ( does that mean headstone ?? )
Good job Wendi and thank you to you too !
I'm loathe to say this but ........ here goes ........... !!
Any chance of a photo ?? ( says Annie ... ducking !! :P :P )
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How can you have "Maj-Gen...all the principal officers of the Royal Garrison Artillery in the town also attended, as well as about 500 non-commissioned officers and men, all the other corps in garrison likewise sending representatives."
And yet, no memorial?
Thanks for your help Wendi (and Jerry!)
Regards, Emma ;)
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Maybe there's a Book of Rememberance there at the cemetery !
Or maybe there's a plaque somewhere .... but where ??
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No probs Emma, it's interesting :)
How can you have "Maj-Gen...all the principal officers of the Royal Garrison Artillery in the town also attended, as well as about 500 non-commissioned officers and men, all the other corps in garrison likewise sending representatives."
Jerry said that maybe because it was an accidental death to army did not feel the need to mark the grave, and that, were there to have been a wife, perhaps she re-married and also did not feel the need to mark the grave either.
We haven't been down the "did he have a wife route yet have we? There is no mention of family in the Times article :-\
Wendi
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Sorry Annie I missed your post
Any chance of a photo ?? ( says Annie ... ducking !! :P :P )
I don't see why not ;D once I am able to get my wellies on again :D
I spent Christmas with my big toe in a rather large bandage, a flukie accident with a 2" chisel, and I'm still wearing flip flops ::)
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Flip flops...a celebration of summer all year round!! ;D Hope you're back into 'proper shoes' soon!
Regards, Emma ;)
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Evening!
A quick update...
Had a reply from Henry's 2xGt Niece!! She is in Australia. And, best of all, she says she has a photo of Henry!!! Yay! Obviously I will have to ask about posting it here, but it's good to know. Will let you know when I get it!
She is interested in Henry's Brother James (Annie - you kindly found Uncle James and Aunt Julia - any more on them?!) - shown aged 15 in 1891 - can anyone find him in 1901 or after?
Am really excited about this photo...can't wait to see it!
Regards, Emma ;)
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Em !
How cool is that ?? did you find out if he ( Henry that is .... ) was married ??
Annie :)
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Not yet...don't think he was though...will ask more next time. Have replied, telling her that Henry's causing quite a stir on here!! Who'd have thought it huh? Nearly 97 years later and he's become famous!
Also said (I'm such a volunteer!!) that 'we'd' (is that the Royal we?!) have a scout around for info on his siblings...on your marks... ;D
Regards, Emma ;)
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Em .... you're a faster typist than me .... remember ?? :) but here's 1901 and I gave you Albert's death already !
1901
Thomas Attreall 54
Jane Attreall 48
Frank Attreall 19
Fred Attreall 19
Albert Attreall 14
Elizabeth Attreall 12
Annie Attreall 10
May Attreall 7
RG13/ 919 Folio 36 Page 2.
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You're a gem!! And, well, you need the practise!! :P
Regards, Emma ;)
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Thanks Em ::)
I found the medals cards of Frank and Albert !
Medal card of Attreall, Frank
Royal Sussex Regiment
G/8/2604
Private
Royal Engineers
WR 205708
Pioneer
Royal Engineers
206402
Pioneer
Date
1914-1920
http://www.rootschat.com/links/012v/
Medal card of Attreall, Albert
2nd Royal Sussex Regiment
8032
Corporal
2nd Royal Sussex Regiment
8032
Corporal
Date
1914-1920
http://www.rootschat.com/links/012w/
Annie :)
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Here's the memorial at Rodmell Sussex
http://www.roll-of-honour.com/Sussex/Rodmell.html
Annie :)
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Note spelling ! .... but is it the same family ?? ::)
1871
Rodmell 3 Houses in tenements
Attrill James 55 Bricklayer M Rodmell Sussex
Attrill Ruth 42 F
Attrill Ann 20 Gen serv out of employ F
Attrill James 19 Ag Lab M
Attrill Charles 16 Ag Lab M
Attrill Mary 12 Scholar F
Attrill George 7 Scholar M
Attrill Arthur 4 Scholar M
Attrill William 1 Grandson M
RG10/1071 Folio 65 Page 2
Annie :)
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Hi Emma, really excited about the possibility of a photo of Henry ;D
Think it is the same family Annie, 1851 North Street, St. Thomas in the Cliffe, Lewes
James Attreal 34 Bricklayers Labourer
Ruth Attreal 28
Mary Attreal 10
Louisa Attreal 6
Thomas Attreal 4
Anna Attreal 2
James Attreal 2 months
Mary Attreal 10 niece
All born Lewes, Sussex
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I love it when RootsChatters get their teeth into something . . .. It's better than a suspense novel any day. :)
I can't wait for the photo.
Barbara 8)
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wow these posts have had me entranced
well done you all
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This is Arthur ... son of James and Ruth !! note spelling !!
1901
27 Marchants Cottage
Aurthur Attrill 34 Head Rodmell Sussex Farmers Carter
Rachel Attrill 36
Elizabeth Attrill 12
Aurthur Attrill 10
William Attrill 7
Louis Attrill 5
Olive Attrill 2
RG13/ 913 Folio 42 Page 6
Annie :)
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And Arthurs brother Charles !! :)
1901
60 Newhaven road Piddinghoe
Charles Attrell 46 Head Lewes Sussex Navvy
Jane Attrell 44
Thomas Attrell 24
George Attrell 20
William Attrell 16
Edward Attrell 13
Elizabeth Attrell 10
Annie Attrell 8
Ada Attrell 6
RG13/919 Folio 30 Page 12
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2006/7
In a national online 'phone book in the search for Lewes it shows, in the surrounding areas
9 x Attrell
2 x Attrill
0 x Attreal and/or Attreall
:D The NA show one Charles Attrill in Registers of Seamen's Services born 24 Sept 1855 :-\ Place of Birth Southampton Hampshire.
Why don't their births show up on Ancestry ????
could it be a derivation we have not discovered?
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Wow!!!! Well done everyone......and really looking forward to seeing the photo.
Jan
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Hi All (and A Happy New Year!! ;D)
"Was Henry married??".........yes!..but no children...found this other report of the accident.....
(The Times, Friday, Aug 12, 1910; pg. 5; Issue 39349; col B)
Sarah :)
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Sarah .... that's great !! :)
Just wish they had NAMED her !! ............... ;) ;) ;)
I've been going through marriages from about 1900 on ........ nada !! :-\
I've also been looking to see if Henry was in the Boer War ......... but nothing yet ....... but I'm still looking !!
Annie :) :) :)
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Annie .....do you think it could be this one?
Henry Atrill to either Minnie Ellen Bryant
Mable Mary Orton
all on same page...2b 788 Portsmouth 1903 Q1.
Maybe too early if no children?
Tazzie
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Hi Taz !
I like that one ! - I saw it too !! :) ............ I just wish we didn't have so many different spellings !! :-\
My thought being .... if he's being in the army for a length of time .... he would be able to spell his name the correct way ...... he wasn't illiterate !
so which is the correct way ?? :P :P :P
By the way another RootsChatter sent me this to post ....... ::) ::) ( too shy I guess !! ;) )
William Attreall ..... able seaman ....... HMS Shannon ....... Indian Mutiny Medal
Annie :)
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Hi Annie....know what you mean it's been different each time.
Back to possible marriage...not the Bryant link as MMN of Bryant is given for a birth in 1914 in Portsmouth.
Tazzie
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Hi all :D
I have tried to read this thread carefully - sorry if I missed something :P
Has this marriage already been ruled out? ???
March 1906
Devonport 5b 519
Henry Attreal to Harriett Grace Hamley or Elizabeth Ann Pyne
There's also
June 1899
Isle of Wight 2b 1266
Henry Attrill - Ada Maud Wallis
but I can't remember if he was found in 1901 :-X
Tanja :)
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Hi Tanja....
Only just looked for wife in last couple of postings..so many spellings and each one has varients in Portsmouth area possibly connected back through the mists of time. I don't think her name was reported by all accounts.
Tazzie
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Yes Tazzie ... sigh !
We can rule the 1899 marriage out - I can see the couple in 1901 and they are not the ones...
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See Tati .... you're so smart !! :) .... I didn't see that one !! :-\ :-\ :-\
I really like that one because the spelling is right !! :) :) :)
We didn't find him on 1901 .... that's why I've been checking Boer War references and barracks census ....... but haven't found anything yet !! :-\
Annie :)
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Well they did go to South Africa !! ...... thought I'd leave some of the surrounding snippets in there ..... interesting huh ?? ( OK ! to me they are !! ;) ;) ;) )
London Times 29/09/99,
p3b. Dateline Bombay, 28 Sept. The Nevasa has left for SA with an ammunition column. Two squadrons of the 5th DG delayed departure for the Cape and returned to Deolali due to outbreak of anthrax,
Dateline New Orleans, 28 Sept. The British Government has chartered two of Messrs. Elder, Dempster, and Co’s steamers to embark 1900 mules and some teamsters.
p8b. Miss A. Garrick, superintendant of the Army nursing staff at Woolwich, received word
along with several other nursing sisters to be ready to embark for SA on Oct. 7and 16.
The hired transports Zibenghla and Zayathla with the 18th, 67th, and 75th Batteries, RA left Mersey yesterday for SA.
The hired transport Nubia, at Gibralter with 2/Grenadier Guards aboard has been ordered to delay departure from Gibralter for home.
The hired Transport Jelunga has arrived at Malta with 2/North Lancashire Regt. She will embark the 1/Lancashire Fusiliers to Crete. She will there embark the Rifle Brigade for the Cape.
Annie :)
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Me too Annie.....I don't quite know why I have this gut instict that the boy from the quite backwaters of Sussex was not in the Boer War. This sits better with me.
Wendi :)
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Hi all, great topic.
Has anybody asked on the armed forces board(neil1821) for a lookup in the Queens South Africa medal rolls to see if he is listed, he should have been if he was in the Boer war and Neil has the listings for the Royal Artillery.
Kev. ;D
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Sorry Kev .... I've only just seen your post ......... :-\
I've posted on the Armed Forces for Neil !!
Let's see what we can find out !! :)
Emma .... where are you ? have you found out anything yet ?? :P
Impatient Annie ::)
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His grave, unmarked, however the fresh flowers, laid on behalf of us all, are about where his headstone would be, were he to have one.
Wendi :)
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arent they some wonderful people, someone has actually gone and took a photo of his grave and put flowers on.. how wonderful, all from watching most haunted.. have you let yvette know what the power of tv has done to rootschatters! well done on on all the investigations,
Foggyjano
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Wendi !
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH !!
That's terrific of you - and I for one - appreciate it very much !!
My heart jumped into my throat when I saw the photos !! :'(
( Hope you didn't go in your flip flops !! )
Thanks again
Annie :) :) :)
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Thanks Annie, no probs really, it was interesting, and good to get out into the open air after all the wind and rain.
I've just finished cleaning all the mud of my boots ::) ;D
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Wendi....
You are wonderful what a lovely gesture hope you had a little word with him and told him we have been thinking of him.
As you did say from all of us..let me just add
Rest now Henry you are in our thoughts may you now find the peace you deserve............
Tazzie
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Hi everyone, this has nothing to do with your thread really but i work in a 19th century Manor house ,built in 1854. It's woodpanelled, gold cornicing, superb stain glass windows , original back stairs for the servants, a ball room and orangery- anyway ,you get the picture.
This building is supposed to be haunted- family lived and died here plus suicide. I became so interested with the whole building and the feeling of someone over your shoulder, i have to be here all alone at times. I started researching the Butler family in Edgbaston and the servants and then went to the grave yards as well.
Then i decided to start doing my own ancestry :)
It does become an obsession :)
DJ
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Hi DJ......now you are hooked there is no going back! ;D
When things happen like this it is so interesting piecing together the pieces it starts to take over.........
Tazzie
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Certainly is no going back, i'd love to be in contact with the descendants of the servants that worked her to describe the place where they worked.
How amazing about the flowers , people are so formidable at times
DJ
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Hi All
WOW Wendi!! :D
Echoing all of us who've been on the Henry Attreal hunt thank-you so much for visiting his resting place and laying the flowers..really brings home that every name we see in census', BMDs, news-reports and documents were once alive and just like us all.
Think we need another one!! ;)..........(digging out Most Haunted DVD collection!!)
Sarah :)
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Well..I've followed this thread with great interest and my thanks to all for the input :) :) :)especially to Wendi :)...that was a very kind gesture you made :)..very thoughtful and gracious..thankyou ;)
Derek. :)
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I found a couple of snippets ........ ::) ::)
From Kelly's Post Office Directory of Essex, Herts, Middlesex, Kent, Surrey and Sussex, 1867
( Brighton with Hove and Cliftonville )
Attreall John lodging house 11 Charles street
SFHG Sussex Marriage Index
Roberts Sarah 1827 Apr 22 Attreall James
Not what we're looking for ... but I'll post .... just in case !! :) :) :)
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I, too, have been following this thread, and you have all been fantastic.
Wendi, how lovely of you to go the grave site and lay fresh flowers, and provide us all with a photo. Very thoughtful and kind of you.....thank you.
I'm keeping a look out for the start of another investigation ;) ;)
Jan
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Well I'm sorry to say - Neil can't find him in his medal rolls but suggested we try ...........
http://www.firepower.org.uk/
Might be worth an email !!
Where's EMMA ?? ......... she's gone AWOL ........ did you go galavantin' somewhere again Girlfriend ?? ??? ???
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Where's EMMA ?? ......... she's gone AWOL ........ did you go galavantin' somewhere again Girlfriend ?? ??? ???
If she has any common, she went to find the sun ;D
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Not yet!!! Just been pulling myself together in preparation for another 'galavant'!! Am off the antibiotics now, the line has been removed. All that's left is my cosmetic surgery (done by the great man himself...I've opted for local anaesthetic, just so I can keep an eye on him...!). Will be off to Spain from 3-22ish of Feb - need to celebrate Christmas and New Year out there as was originally planned!!!
Wow! How much work have you done?! And the flowers...what a lovely touch!
No photo as of yet...might send a gentle reminder... :-\
Regards, Emma ;)
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Missed you Em !
Hope everything goes OK for you ........... !
Are we just waiting for the photo is that it? you don't need any more ??
Let us know !
Annie :)
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Quick update - heard from Fran (she'd been away for a few days...that'll teach me for being so impatient!!) and she says that she will send the photo to me soon. I will obviously have to ask her if I may post it here.
She has seen the board and all the postings...she will leave a message when she has a bit more time.
So, I now wait with baited breath for the photo....Henry Attreal, what have you done to us?!
Regards, Emma ;)
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I'm glad Fran was able to take a look !...... can't wait for the photo !! ;D ;D
By the way Em ... I saw my 1st Most Haunted the other night ..... I think it was Tissington (?) Manor ! ::) ::)
I had to come out from behind the chair a few times !! :-\ :-\ ..... oooh eeee oooh !! :o
Annie :)
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Oh Annie, don't be a wuss . . .. get a cuddly teddy bear, that usually works :D :D :D
Barbara 8)
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For Annie and Emma
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For Annie and Emma ...again xxx
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Thank you! I really must learn!!!
Regards, Emma ;)
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I said the same thing Emma ....... !
Indi's been giving tutorials and I still can't do it !! :P :P
Annie and ( Gollywog !! ) ;D
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It's terrible - why can't I do it?!
Henry is a star - of TV and internet! Who would've thought?
It's just so nice to be able to put a face to the name...
So the question now is, if the coroner returned a verdict of 'accident', why would he have had a funeral on such a large scale?
Regards, Emma ;)
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Oh, and while I'm at it, a big thank you to Fran for letting us use the photos!!! :)
Regards, Emma ;)
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Thank you Fran for the photos .... I can't believe that funeral photo !
It looks like there was a big turn out .... and all the crowds that waited for it to pass !!
What a shame !
Well Henry ... just know that you have a lot of people thinking of you now ..... and I hope the research goes on to find the true story .....
but for now brave soldier ........ Rest in Peace !
Annie
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:o What great photo's :o A face to the name and the funeral procession photo, well it takes your breath away don't it !!!
Thank you Fran and all :)
Glad to hear you are on, what sounds like the home run Emma, we've missed ya!
Wendi :)
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Hi Fran and All
WOW!! Great photos!! Really brings the story to life!!
Sarah :)
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The photo's are fantastic it has finished the journey . Maybe if he knew he may find peace at last.
To everyone well done .
Tazzie
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Hi to everyone
Thank you for the time and interest you have shown in Henry, I have been really impressed with the investigating you have done into his life and death. A big thank you to Wendi for visiting the grave and laying flowers. It would have taken me hours and hours to find out this much information on one of my ancestors so I am thrilled to bits with how much I have learned from this. I'm glad I had the photos to share with you all.
I'm wondering why Henry was accorded a funeral with military honours if his death was accidental? I read the report on the inquiry Times '12th August 1910' (a few times actually) the witness states, Sgt Attreal was standing in rear of the breach and Gunner Collins, who was burned and blinded in one eye, was standing BEHIND the witness when the explosion happened......... so why was this 'witness' not injured?? Also the reports starts off quoting the 'acting bombadier' then changes to the witness said..........so is the witness the acting bombadier or someone else??? I'm sure I will be spending quite some time pondering on what really happened.
I was also wondering what your opinions were about the name of Henrys wife? I saw a few possible names mentioned I would love to add her to my family tree.
Thanks once again from
Fran (Henrys great grand niece)
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Hi Fran and a very warm welcome to RootsChat ! :) :)
The photos you shared with us are wonderful and thank you .....
maybe if we can get to the bottom of this puzzle ......... Henry will be able to come in from the cold !
I'm ready to start over and see if we can help you with other parts of your tree that are missing ....
( don't know about the rest of them !! ;D ;D ;D .... like Emma .......... I like to use the Royal "we" also !! ;) )
Let's start looking again !!
Annie :)
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Fran, welcome to Rootschat and a very big thank you for sharing the photo's. I haven't taken part in the search (I'm nowhere near clever enough, I leave it to the more knowledgable persons on RC) But I've enjoyed it tremendously.
Thank you again.
Barbara 8)
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Hi Fran...nice to see you!!
(Annie kindly sent me some other Attreal census information in a personal message so remind me if I don't forward it on to you...)
Wrote to the TV company and had a reply back - the standard reply that my email has been forwarded to the relevant team. Will let you know more if and when I find it out!
Did anyone watch Most Haunted last night? Alton Towers...has a ghost who clobber people round the head...I never knew that!! Will miss it for the next three Tuesdays...will have to scour the late night repeats again next year...who knows what will happen then?!
Regards, Emma ;)
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Fran Welcome :D
Emma stop yourself - well........... thinking about in a year, well maybe !!!
Thank you Fran for joining us, it's so nice to hear from you. As Annie said if your interested in starting over I guess their marriage certificate would be in order.
It was lovely of you to allow us to see his photo - and that funeral, well what ever the circumstances he certainally had a good send off!
Wendi :)
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Wow, just read this thread for the first time...quite the read and very sweet of you all, especially Wendi's gesture of honouring Henry's gravesite!
It's always amazing to see what rootschatters can do!
Cheers! , J.J.
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A bit late to add to the thread...as usual....interesting subject.
Dawn
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Hi Dawn!!
Never too late!! Have to admit, it is the most interesting thread I've ever been involoved with....and the photos were simply the icing on the cake!
Regards, Emma ;)
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What a terrific thread and well done to you all.
This episode of Most Haunted was just on Australian pay tv last weekend, and I thoroughly enjoyed it, so was most surprised to see a thread all about Henry here. Em did you not hear back from the Most Haunted team?
I remember when they were describing Henry they said he was 'supposed' to be a Sergeant...like they weren't even sure. So it is great to see all of the confirmation.
And those who watched the show and believe that Henry was hanging around because he was so angry about the accident....I would be too if there were newspaper stories such as those posted here being published that blamed the death on the victim alone! I can imagine him saying "It wasn't MY fault!!!" ;D
Amazing photos too..once again, well done everyone!
Nina
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Got a standard reply back from the team...passed query on, blah blah blah, but unless a reply has gone into my junk mail and I've missed it, I've not heard a peep since!!
Which network showed the episode? I just want to be able to get a copy to Fran somehow!!
Regards, Emma ;)
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Hi Em,
I think it is on Arena TV at about 8.45pm Saturday nights. I wish I had read the thread sooner; I would have taped it!
Nina
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Henry Attrell was my 1st Cousin 2x removed
I have a photograph of his funeral and a Photo of him in the Sgts mess if someone can explain how to post these pictures to this sight
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,130922.0.html
This link should explain how to add an image.