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Can anyone help with some information to help me track down this dead Great Grandfather. He was born in 1862, am not sure where but possibly England, he died on 23 March 1914 at sea on the S.S. Olympic. I am new at this so any help would be appreciated> :)
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Welcome to Rootschat Kurow
Wonder if you have any more info on Pedro ?
Do you know who he married?
Names of children and where born?
Any idea what area of England he lived in?
More info everyone has easier to help you.
Let us know and im sure someone will be able to help you.Thanks
Welsh Lady
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1871 census RG10 531 folio 38
21 John Street St George In the East London
Salvador Raurich 44 Catalonia, Spain Head Married importer of corks on commission
Theresa Raurich 36 Catalonia, Spain Wife Married
Ramon Vinals 18 Catalonia, Spain Wife's son by former husband Learning cork trade
Pedro Vinals 9 Catalonia, Spain wife's son by former husband
Salvador Raurich 2 St George in the East, Middlesex, Son
Mary Ann Armsby 20 London, Middlesex, Domestic Servant
Births Sep 1868
RAURICH Salvador St. Geo. East 1c 390
Marriages Sep 1867
Raurich Salvador St. Geo. East 1c 888
VINALS Teresa St George East 1c 888
Regards
Valda
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Marriages Mar 1879
CURTIS Lucy Islington 1b 233
Vinals Ramon Islington 1b 233
Deaths Sep 1886
Vinals Ramon 33 W. Ham 4a 90
1881 census RG11 1709 folio 94
6 Grafton Road West Ham Essex
Ramon Vinials 27 Spain For(eign) Head Married Dock Clerk
Lucy Vinials 26 Bristol, Gloucestershire, Wife Married
Mary Curtis 15 bristol, Gloucestershire Sister-in-law
Teresa Vinals 14mths Plaistow, Essex, Daughter
Births Mar 1880
Vinals Teresa Emma W. Ham 4a 144
Births Mar 1883
Vinals Lucy Alice W. Ham 4a 196
Births Mar 1886
VINALS Adelina Clara West Ham 4a 236
Deaths Jun 1886
Vinals Adelina Clara 0 W. Ham 4a 87
1891 census RG12 1346 folio 105
Colon Villas Drayton Road Leyton Essex
Lucy Vinals 32 Not Known, Gloucestershire, Head Widow
Teresa E Vinals 11 Plaistow, Essex, Daughter
Lucy A Vinals 8Leytonstone, Essex, Daughter
one boarder and one servant
1901 census RG13 1622 folio 65
4 Drayton Road Leyton Essex
Lucy Vinals 40 Minterburn, Gloucestershire, Head Widow Living on own means
Teresa Vinals 21 Plaistow, Essex, Daughter Shorthand writer
Lucy Vinals 18 Leytonstone, Essex, Daughter Shorthand writer
plus 1 visitor
Marriages Sep 1905
VINALS Lucy Alice W. Ham 4a 215
either
PEACOCK Raymond George W W. Ham 4a 215
or
WILEY Reginald Thomas W. Ham 4a 215
Marriages Sep 1911
Vinals Teresa W.Ham 4a 190
either
JUDD James H West Ham 4a 190
or
Phillips Howard B H W. Ham 4a 190
The only other Vinals registration in FreeBMD - though the surname Vinal exists
Deaths Jun 1875
VINALS Louis Joseph 0 W. Ham 4a 11
Ramon's marriage details would give you his and Pedro's father's name and occupation if you are unable to find the marriage details for Pedro.
Regards
Valda
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You might already have researched this, but apparently there is a street called Raurich in Barcelona.
Vinyals is a more likely spelling in Catalan or Vinals (with the tilde accent ~ on the N) in Castilian.
Rauric is also a village in Tarragona, Cataluna province. There is a castle with the same name. The "H" ending is the Castilian spelling.
All this from my sis in Barcelona. If you need any help with translating, give a shout! (We also have a resident Rootschatter in Cataluna)
kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Vernal and Vinals in combination on FreeBMD.
Births Mar 1907
Vernal Evelyn Vinals Holborn 1b 582
Deaths Sep 1910
Vernal Evelyn V 3 Lambeth 1d 111
possibles for Vinals as a middle name though the v could just as easily stand for Victoria etc.
Deaths Mar 1911
VERNAL Isabella V 12 Southwark 1d 15
Births Sep 1913
VERNAL FRANCES R C V CRSSFORD Lambeth 1d 573
No Vinyals or Raurics
Regards
Valda
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Can anyone help with some information on Teresa Vinals, I think she was born in Spain. Vinals was her married name, I am not sure of her husbands name or particulars ???
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Marriages Sep 1911
Vinals Teresa W.Ham 4a 190
either
JUDD James H West Ham 4a 190
or
Phillips Howard B H W. Ham 4a 190
Regards
Valda
Following on from Valda's sterling work- which I'm sure Kurow must be over the moon with.
I have found a child born to the Judd and Vinals couple above.
Cynthia M JUDD born in Romford in Dec 1/4 of 1912 mothers maiden name Vinals.
There may have been more later,but I stopped there for now ;D
Regards
Carol
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I think it is probably the Theresa Raurich formerly Vinals nee unknown who was aged 36 on the 1871 census and born Catalonia that Kurow is interested in.
From the British records available the starting point for knowing that Theresa's maiden name would be her second marriage
Marriages Sep 1867
Raurich Salvador St. Geo. East 1c 888
VINALS Teresa St George East 1c 888
This would give her father's name and occupation. To find her first husband's full name and occupation the British record to access would be his son's marriage.
Marriages Mar 1879
CURTIS Lucy Islington 1b 233
Vinals Ramon Islington 1b 233
This record would give his father's name and occupation.
With the knowledge from these two certificates and the 1871 census you would would know Theresa's approximate date and place of birth circa 1835 in Catalonia and her full name and father's name and her first husband's name and their approximate date of marriage - circa 1852 probably in Catalonia as well, since Ramon was 18 on the 1871 census.
You can send for either or both certificates from the General Registry Office.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Regards
Valda
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I believe this gentleman was my grandfather. He was employed as a corkmaker in a small island off the coast of Chile. I am the daughter of the late Salvador Vinals Vernal who was born in Chile 12 July1899. My father was of the second marriage of Pedro to Helen Cessford. He was the eldest of 7 children born of this marriage. Two siblings died in infancy - Isabelle and Evelyn. My dad, along with his mother and siblings Richard, Victoria and Lillian (twins) and Frances travelled to New Zealand by sea some time around 1915. The family had left from England to make this trip earlier but my grandfather died of a burst appendix and was buried at sea.
My dad spoke with very warm memories of his step brother Ramon whom he lost contact with. He always wondered where he was and named his firstborn son after him. My dad passed away on 20 March 1996 four months short of his 97th birthday.
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Hi Greco2
Welcome to Rootschat! :D
Unfortunately we never did hear whether the OP was happy with the information that was found for him/ her - :-\ - but it looks as though they were online today, so hopefully they will make contact and you will be able to discuss your family. How exciting for you both!
You will need to make at least one more post before you can make or reply to Personal Messages but feel free to reply here in order to "qualify". Please remember not to discuss living people on th open boards.
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
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Thank you for your response. As the earlier messages are three years old I am aware the author may no longer be seeking information.
I am now wondering which side of the family they are from.
This looks like an interesting site and one which I will frequent often.
Regards,
Greco2
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I am the son of Cynthia Judd noted below. She was actually born 05/10/12 not December. She is still alive and is very interested in making contact
Marriages Sep 1911
Vinals Teresa W.Ham 4a 190
either
JUDD James H West Ham 4a 190
or
Phillips Howard B H W. Ham 4a 190
Regards
Valda
Following on from Valda's sterling work- which I'm sure Kurow must be over the moon with.
I have found a child born to the Judd and Vinals couple above.
Cynthia M JUDD born in Romford in Dec 1/4 of 1912 mothers maiden name Vinals.
There may have been more later,but I stopped there for now ;D
Regards
Carol
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RE Cynthia Judd, Although she was born in October she tells me her birth was not registered until December 1912.
Regards Don (son)
Marriages Sep 1911
Vinals Teresa W.Ham 4a 190
either
JUDD James H West Ham 4a 190
or
Phillips Howard B H W. Ham 4a 190
Regards
Valda
Following on from Valda's sterling work- which I'm sure Kurow must be over the moon with.
I have found a child born to the Judd and Vinals couple above.
Cynthia M JUDD born in Romford in Dec 1/4 of 1912 mothers maiden name Vinals.
There may have been more later,but I stopped there for now ;D
Regards
Carol
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Hi Greco2
Thanks for your information, this is the side of the family I am interested in.
Frances was my Grandmother and although she is deceased now we are still trying to find information about the family.
I am trying to find out about Pedros first marriage and if there were children born of that marriage.
Ramon is a mystery to us too, I believe he is somewhere in South America.
Sorry I have been so late replying
Regards Kurow
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Hi
I am the great grand daughter of Pedro Vinals and Margaret Hollingworth, who were divorced in 1907.
I have information on Pedro's family with Margaret. Sadly I have nothing on Ramon.
Do you have a marriage date and place for Pedro and Helen Cessford? I have been unable to locate that information.
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Hi
I am the great grand daughter of Pedro Vinals and Margaret Hollingworth, who were divorced in 1907.
I have information on Pedro's family with Margaret. Sadly I have nothing on Ramon.
Do you have a marriage date and place for Pedro and Helen Cessford? I have been unable to locate that information.
Hello Jill and wlcome to Rootschat.
Kurow first posted this query in 2011,but she/he has been on here more recently than that,so hopefully will be back on to reply to you once she gets an email advising that you have posted.
Regards
Carol
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Hello Jill
I have been unable to located any information with regards to a wedding between Pedro and Helen.
I suspect Ramon and Alfred are the same person.
I know that Pedro and Helen had the 4 children from his first marriage living with them in England.
Hope that helps you.
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Hi Greco2!
I'm Javier Vargas from Chile.
I speak a little english and i used the translator ... My great-grandfather was Ranón Viñals Hollingworth, father of my maternal grandmother. He was born in Edinburgh. He lived in the city of Puerto Montt, in the south of Chile.
I think it could be your grandfather's brother.
I have little information, only the death certificate, a photo, and some stories of my grandmother who unfortunately died years ago.
It would be a pleasure to share more information.
I believe this gentleman was my grandfather. He was employed as a corkmaker in a small island off the coast of Chile. I am the daughter of the late Salvador Vinals Vernal who was born in Chile 12 July1899. My father was of the second marriage of Pedro to Helen Cessford. He was the eldest of 7 children born of this marriage. Two siblings died in infancy - Isabelle and Evelyn. My dad, along with his mother and siblings Richard, Victoria and Lillian (twins) and Frances travelled to New Zealand by sea some time around 1915. The family had left from England to make this trip earlier but my grandfather died of a burst appendix and was buried at sea.
My dad spoke with very warm memories of his step brother Ramon whom he lost contact with. He always wondered where he was and named his firstborn son after him. My dad passed away on 20 March 1996 four months short of his 97th birthday.
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Hi Javier
You will get a surprise to hear from me, I am also an ancestor of Pedro Vinals, who was the father of your great grandfather Ranon and the stepsister of Ranon, who we have known as Alfred Raymond Lewis Vinals.
You have many relatives scattered around through New Zealand, Australia, England and possibly Scotland.
Perhaps you could tell me the sort of information you are looking for and I can help.
Can you tell me anything else that happened in Chile when Pedro, Helen and the children were over there. Pedro and Helen took some of the children from Pedros marriage to Margaret Hollingworth with them and some of my family were born in Chile to them as well. We have no photos of Pedro at all and none taken in Chile.
I am not sure if Greco2 is still online
Robyn
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Hello Robyn!
Nice to meet you.
2 years ago I visited England and Scotland (Edinburgh) .. at that time I tried to find out about the ancestors of the family (my mother was especially interested).
My great-grandfather Ramón lived until the early 60's and his brother Alfredo lived until 1971. Unfortunately he never had contact with his family.
My grandmother was called Andrea Viñals Velásquez and had 4 brothers, all of them died many years ago. She told me some things about her family and her desire to have known them.
She knew of relatives in the city of concepción (chile) and in Brazil.. From this country they visited it once, relatives who were on vacation in the 90s.
Personally I find it interesting to be able to contact descendants of the family and know something of the family history.
I do not know if I can post a photo .. I'll try.
I appreciate your response, and I could investigate more information ..
We are in contact!..
Javier
Hi Javier
You will get a surprise to hear from me, I am also an ancestor of Pedro Vinals, who was the father of your great grandfather Ranon and the stepsister of Ranon, who we have known as Alfred Raymond Lewis Vinals.
You have many relatives scattered around through New Zealand, Australia, England and possibly Scotland.
Perhaps you could tell me the sort of information you are looking for and I can help.
Can you tell me anything else that happened in Chile when Pedro, Helen and the children were over there. Pedro and Helen took some of the children from Pedros marriage to Margaret Hollingworth with them and some of my family were born in Chile to them as well. We have no photos of Pedro at all and none taken in Chile.
I am not sure if Greco2 is still online
Robyn
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here a link with my great grandfather's picture:
http://subefotos.com/ver/?6cdae009bc35b04c8e42189aa6d5a1cbo.jpg
Hello Robyn!
Nice to meet you.
2 years ago I visited England and Scotland (Edinburgh) .. at that time I tried to find out about the ancestors of the family (my mother was especially interested).
My great-grandfather Ramón lived until the early 60's and his brother Alfredo lived until 1971. Unfortunately he never had contact with his family.
My grandmother was called Andrea Viñals Velásquez and had 4 brothers, all of them died many years ago. She told me some things about her family and her desire to have known them.
She knew of relatives in the city of concepción (chile) and in Brazil.. From this country they visited it once, relatives who were on vacation in the 90s.
Personally I find it interesting to be able to contact descendants of the family and know something of the family history.
I do not know if I can post a photo .. I'll try.
I appreciate your response, and I could investigate more information ..
We are in contact!..
Javier
Hi Javier
You will get a surprise to hear from me, I am also an ancestor of Pedro Vinals, who was the father of your great grandfather Ranon and the stepsister of Ranon, who we have known as Alfred Raymond Lewis Vinals.
You have many relatives scattered around through New Zealand, Australia, England and possibly Scotland.
Perhaps you could tell me the sort of information you are looking for and I can help.
Can you tell me anything else that happened in Chile when Pedro, Helen and the children were over there. Pedro and Helen took some of the children from Pedros marriage to Margaret Hollingworth with them and some of my family were born in Chile to them as well. We have no photos of Pedro at all and none taken in Chile.
I am not sure if Greco2 is still online
Robyn
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Hi Javier
Here is a copy of the 1891 Scotland census
Census
1891 • Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland
Pedro Vinals, aged 29 head, Cork Merchant born Spain
Margaret Vinals, aged 27 wife, born Perth
Alfred Vinals aged 4 son, born Leith
Ranion Vinals aged 3 son, born Leith
Constance aged 1 daughter, born Leith
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Thanks Robyn!
Javier.
Hi Javier
Here is a copy of the 1891 Scotland census
Census
1891 • Cockpen, Midlothian, Scotland
Pedro Vinals, aged 29 head, Cork Merchant born Spain
Margaret Vinals, aged 27 wife, born Perth
Alfred Vinals aged 4 son, born Leith
Ranion Vinals aged 3 son, born Leith
Constance aged 1 daughter, born Leith
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Hi Javier
Alfred enlisted for ww2 in May 1908 under the name of Alfred Cessford, he later changed his name to Alfred Vinals. His residence was Red Lion Road, Bloomsberry, England
Regards Robyn
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Welcome to Rootschat Javier.
Kurow first posted this in 2007 and you now making contact is one reason we don't remove topics.
As you both have enough posts, you may want to exchange information such as email addresses on the personal message system
http://www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
Dawn
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Hi Dawn
Thanks for your reply. I have made contact with Javier through the message boards and will exchange information with him now.
Thanks Robyn
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This message is for Javier Vargas.
I am the great grand daughter of Pedro Vinals and Margaret Hollingworth. I grew up in England but now live in Australia. My Grandmother was Constance Vinals and she had 3 children, Celia Grace Vernal, born 1911, Charles Allen Vernal, born 1915 and Constance Adeline Vernal, born 1917.
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Hello Javier,
I am also a distant relation of Pedro Vinals.
Pedro's son Salvador was my great-grandfather.
I think that Greco2 was my great Aunt? I am sorry to say that she died a few years ago.
Her brother Ray was my Grandfather. His two sons my father and uncle are still alive.
I was very young when Ray died but I believe he was a very talented pianist.
I'd appreciate any information you could tell me about Pedro Vinals.
From what I understand he had a total of 13 children maybe more?
6 with his wife and 8 with my great-grandmother.
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Hello VernalGrace
I am related to Pedro, my grandmother was Salvadors sister. Pedro was my great grandfather.
I can help you with information about Pedro and his children if you would be interested.
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Yes, that would be great. Thank you.
I suppose that would make you my Grand Aunt?
My father is Anthony aka Tony maybe you've met him?
My email is Removed
Anything you can tell me about Pedro would be great.
As I understand he had children with different women and went by different names?
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Hi VernalGrace
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
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Dawn