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Hi I am doing my family tree and I have come across on the census records a lot of Hawkers which I presume to be gypsies. My great great grandfather was called Josiah Smith and lived at Half Acre Row in Mitcham in the 1881 census, he was married to Alice and had five children called Fred, William, John, Phoebe and Nelson and Josiah.
My great grandfather was also called Josiah Smith and married Lemantamia Gardner who signed my grandmothers birth certificate with a X. They had six children Ada, Lemantamia, Johnney, Vanslow, and Pheobe who was my grandmother. All these people were Hawkers and I know they had horses.
Would anyone out there know of these Smiths as I cannot get any further back than the 1881 census and I dont think that Half Acre Row was a house. I would appreciate any help that anyone has to offer
Thanks Chellin 2
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Hi and welcome to Rootschat.
I have had a look at the 1871 census and have found this family which I feel must be them! Although Josiah is listed as Joseph, but wife is correct and so are children, although again Josiah is Joseph, it was not uncommon to get names wrong on census though.
1871 census
address is hard to read but look likes 18 Dawsons Road
Joseph Smith, head, age 35, general dealer, born Kent Woolwich
Alice, wife, age 35, basket maker born Berkshire??? (cant read)
Frederick, son, age 12 born Surrey Wandsworth
Joseph, son, age 10, born Surrey Streatham
William,son, age 4 born Surrey Croydon
John, son, age 1 born Surrey Croydon
Edward Cooper, visitor, age 42, basket maker born Kent Plumstead
Henrietta Cooper,visitor, age 60, basket maker born Kent Plumstead
Frederick Lane, visitor, age 26, ?? worker born Berkshire Reading
Alice Smith, visitor, age 12, born Surrey
RG10 846
folio 53 page 29
Croydon, Surrey
I will see what else I can find.
Nicky
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Oh thank you so much Nicky, that is amazing what you have found already, that must be them. I live in Australia and I am finding this research very hard. So do you think they were gypsies???
:) :) I have just found another link on here too, there is someone researching Lemantamia Gardner.
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HI
I am not convinced they were gypsies, certainly not from1871 onwards.
I have been looking through earlier census, as yet not much success but have found this very likely marriage.
December quarter 1858
In the district of Malling (in Kent)
Vol 2a Page 591
Josiah Smith and Alice Lane
Now on the 1871 census there is a Frederick Lane visiting, could he be a brother?
Will see if I can find Alice pre her marriage.
To confirm that this is right you may be advised to purchase a birth certificate of one of Josiah and Alices children. This would confirm Alice's maiden name.
Nicky
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Hi again
This could be Alice in 1841 but I would certainly get some evidence that this is the correct family.
1841 census
Henry Matthews, age 25, hair dresser, not born in county
Elizabeth Lane, age 35, ind, not born in county
William Lane, age 12, not born in county
Elizabeth Lane,age 10, not born in county
Alice Lane, age 8, born in county
Alfred Lane, age 6 born in county
Emily Lane, age 3 born in county
Amelia age 1 born in county (Amelia' surname is not given so not sure if a Lane or a Matthews)
HO 107 33 6
folio 5 page 4
Newbury Berkshire
and then the 1851 census
Henry Matthews, head, age 35, hair dresser born Middlesex St Lukes
Elizabeth Matthews, wife, age 46, born Middlesex St Lukes
Henry Matthews, son, age 9, scholar born Berkshire Newbury
William Lane, son in law, age 22, hair dresser born Middlesex London
Alice Lane, dau in law, age 17, dress maker born Berkshire Newbury
Emily Lane, dau in law, age 13, born Berkshire Newbury
HO 107 1685
folio 330 page 33
Newbury Berkshire
Son and daughter in law was often used as step children.
Nicky
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Lots of Info on the Internet about Gypsies (original 'Travellers') vs Hawkers etc. Actually quite fascinating as their roots can be traced back to the 9th Century - Indus origin, with Sanskrit figuring in the Romany/Romanes language, liberally sprinkled with the local tongue, Elizabethan slang and more modern idioms !
Try Google !
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Hi Chellin
They look very much like travellers/Gypsies to me - given the occupations and surnames SMITH/COOPER and even LANE. Many "travellers" lived in houses for part of the year.
Casalguidi :)
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Hi Nicky
That defintiely sounds like them to me as I can remember my nan saying they had a florist shop called Mathews in Tooting and that it was tied in with the family. When it says born out of country does that mean they were immigrants as my old aunt insists that we had Spanish in us but thats not a Spanish name is it?? Dont want to sound stupid but how do I find out the folio number to order one of the childrens birth certificates?? It looks like they were not married doesnt it but some of the children were called Lane and some Mathews.
Thanks again
Chellin
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Hi Casalguidi
Thanks for your reply, being they were born out of the country maybe thats why they were hawkers but I still have this strong feeling they were gypsies especially the Smiths.
Chellin2
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Hi Chellin
I have the image of the 1901 census. Brothers John & Josiah actually lived next door to one and other in Sibthorpe Road, Mitcham. If you do not have image I can send it to you.
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Dont want to sound stupid but how do I find out the folio number to order one of the childrens birth certificates??
You need to search for the birth registration either on Ancestry or through Free BDM. If that year's births are transcribed by Free BDM you can search by name and year (link below). If not its a trawl through by year which you can do on Ancestry on Complete BMD index http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx.
You then get a reference number which you use to order the certificates.
Could this be Noah? Noah Henry Smith. Birth Registered Jun 1900. Ref is: Croydon 2a 333. http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
I started with Vanslow thinking he would be the easiest but couldn't find him with a name and year search ::) :D
Ooops just realised I've been searching for the wrong family - that's one of Josiah and Lemintina's children ::)
How about this:
Frederick Smith Sep 1859 Wandsworth 1d 406
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Hi Chellin 2
Can't help much with the family part but Half-Acre Row was a line of houses at the back of Love Lane in Mitcham. These houses have long since gone & used to stand on a now empty plot called Fieldgate Lane. If you view a map its between Love Lane & the Gas works at the back of Westfield Road & Taffys How.
The Sibthorpe Road link would also fit in as this was the other side of Western Road, the main road that the gas works stands on. This is no longer there also. It would have been where you'll see Holborn Way.
This area of Mitcham had & still has a strong gypsy presence. Mitcham town centre used to be 'known' as redskin square & the Phipps Bridge area as redskin village by the locals in the late 1800's.
Best of luck with the research.
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I'm sure Chellin will thank you also but seeing as the information is also relevant to me thank you from me also.
Very interesting and links a few addresses I have together plus gives me some information about the area about which I know very little 8)
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Hi Lemmey.
No problem. My husband & I were both born & bred in Mitcham, so have looked into the history of the village quite a bit.
If there's anything else I may be able to help with Mitcham-wise, just give me a shout.
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Hi Chellin 2
Can't help much with the family part but Half-Acre Row was a line of houses at the back of Love Lane in Mitcham. These houses have long since gone & used to stand on a now empty plot called Fieldgate Lane. If you view a map its between Love Lane & the Gas works at the back of Westfield Road & Taffys How.
The Sibthorpe Road link would also fit in as this was the other side of Western Road, the main road that the gas works stands on. This is no longer there also. It would have been where you'll see Holborn Way.
This area of Mitcham had & still has a strong gypsy presence. Mitcham town centre used to be 'known' as redskin square & the Phipps Bridge area as redskin village by the locals in the late 1800's.
Best of luck with the research.
Hi Lemmy/Chellin & hello Doorwoman
Just goes to show, lived in Mitcham over half my life, I have been looking for Half Acre Row for years, and it was on my doorstep. Love Lane is off Western Road in Mitcham. Fieldgate Lane is listed in some of the census we have as well. Thanks Doorwoman
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Hi doorwoman
Thanks so much for that information and I think I know now exactly where Half Acre Row was. I lived in Mitcham until I was 4 in Sibthorpe Road and my Dad had a waste Paper Yard down there. Im sure if you have lived there so long you have heard of the Lyon family. There were 10 brothers and sisters and they all lived and worked there.
I had also heard the term Redskin village. We used to walk down an alleyway to Phippsbride where my other grandmother lived in a place called Rocky, have you heard of that??? When they pulled down Sibthorpe Road my Nanny Lyon was put into a block of flats there.
As you walked out of Sibthorpe Road down away from the town to Western Road there was a pub on the corner and a sweet shop, I suppose that is long gone now and if you walked the other was up to Mitcham town they had Woolworths on the corner. Although I moved out very young I was always down that way visiting my nan of my Dads yard.
That has brought back so many nice memories for me thanks again for posting.
Chellin
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Hi all.
The alleyway you used to walk down was more than likely Fieldgate Lane. Its actually only a path now unlike its name suggests. This would have came out in to Miles Road.
I'll have to ask my hubbie for the actual name of the pub which stood by Sibthorpe Road, his mates who he plays darts with, often talk about old Mitcham as quite a few of them have deep roots in Mitcham. I know they refer to it as the original blood tub! There is a tiny part of Sibthorpe Road left, just an alleyway now, its the part where Woolworths would have been on the corner of. This is now just offices & the other corner the same, but until recently was the job centre. The rest of what was Sibthorpe Rd would cut across the car park at the back of here, cross Holborn Way & end up being the road in the middle of the 'red flats' that now stand there.
The Rocky you remember is so called because of Rock Terrace Rec, which is the park at the front of the flats at Phipps Bridge. There used to be Bath Rd, Queens Rd etc here along with New Close which is still there.
Hopefully the attachment will come through of a pic of Half Acre Row houses for you to see.
Best of luck with the research!
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Oh thanks sooooooooooo much for that lovely pic.
I can just picture it all now at the back of my mind, tell your husband I used to stand outside that pub with my packet of crisps and lemonade when I was a kid.
I remember Bath Road too, cant picture it but know the name. Rocky had no flats there years ago and I remember we could walk through from Morden too, through like a park which I think was where Nelson lived. My grandmother used to live over a corner shop there.
I live in Australia now too so I cannot go back to see these things so I am very grateful for the pic.
Thanks so much doorwoman
Chellin
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Hi chellin
You're most welcome.
The park that leads from Morden through to Phipps Bridge is called Morden Hall Park. It still exists as it was then & is still a beautiful place to walk through. Up until recently, the large mill house there on the bridge with the large water wheel on the side was used as a registry office & held an awful lot of weddings.
If I can dig any more pics out of the places in question, I'll post them when I can.
Bye for now!
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Hi Doorwoman
Thanks again, they will be much appreciated, I have saved the one of Half Acre Lane and will print it out for my Family Tree book.
Im sure the other girls will love them too
Chellin
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I knew I had a pic somewhere..........
Sibthorpe Road. Have fun!
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Oh my God
Where those women are speaking was my Nans house and she always stood at the gate.
And where that truck is pulling in was my Dads yard.
I am sooooooooooo excited thanks a million doorwoman
Chellin
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Hi chellin
Glad to have helped.
How strange that the pic is so meaningful to you with the family there!
Just spoke to my hubby & the name of the pub was the Fountain.
Take care x
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Hi Doorwoman
Oh of course, it was on Fountain Road wasnt it???
Should have known that.
I have a pic of me at the Queens Coronation in Sibthorpe Road but I dont know how to post it on here, that was 1953.
Speak soon
Chellin
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Hi
If the pic is on your PC, when you write a reply you can add a phot or image.
Is in blue under the white box where you write your reply. Click on it, then click on browse to add the pic.
I'd love to see the photo.
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Here goes see if I can do it
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No that didnt work
I will PM you
Chellin
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Hi chellin.
I've PM'd you back.
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Hi all.
The alleyway you used to walk down was more than likely Fieldgate Lane. Its actually only a path now unlike its name suggests. This would have came out in to Miles Road.
I'll have to ask my hubbie for the actual name of the pub which stood by Sibthorpe Road, his mates who he plays darts with, often talk about old Mitcham as quite a few of them have deep roots in Mitcham. I know they refer to it as the original blood tub! There is a tiny part of Sibthorpe Road left, just an alleyway now, its the part where Woolworths would have been on the corner of. This is now just offices & the other corner the same, but until recently was the job centre. The rest of what was Sibthorpe Rd would cut across the car park at the back of here, cross Holborn Way & end up being the road in the middle of the 'red flats' that now stand there.
The Rocky you remember is so called because of Rock Terrace Rec, which is the park at the front of the flats at Phipps Bridge. There used to be Bath Rd, Queens Rd etc here along with New Close which is still there.
Hopefully the attachment will come through of a pic of Half Acre Row houses for you to see.
Best of luck with the research!
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Hi doorwoman
I remember the Bath Tavern Pub there years ago at Phipps Bridge, but was knocked down, and the photos are great.
Chellin2 and my husband share a Great Great Grandfather from Mitcham, Josiah Smith, which we found through Roots Com.
My children went to school in Church Road, Mitcham and my husband has lived there all his life. His nan was 3 months old when she lived in Sibthorpe Road in 1901 and then lived near the Bath Tavern. My husband lived near Lavender Fields for many years in Lavender Ave, and went to school in Western Road.
Thanks again for all the info, it has been a great insight to how they lived, and seems to be more real now we have seen pictures.
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Hi missjano.
Glad you liked the pic's.
My sister in law used to live in Ottershaw house opposite the Bath Tavern back in the 80's. My husband & I also lived in the new houses they've built called Rock close for a while, then moved to Friday Road, just off Figges Marsh, now we live at Pollards Hill.
Can't seem to stay still!
If there's anything else in particular you'd like a pic of PM me your addy & I'll see if I can find an old pic of it. I've got a fair few of old Mitcham, so should be able to get quite near what you want.
Bye for now
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Hi again doorwoman
Can I ask you where you got all the pics of Mitcham from, if its from a web page is there some history on it too
Thanks
Chellin
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I remember we could walk through from Morden too, through like a park which I think was where Nelson lived. My grandmother used to live over a corner shop there.
Nelson lived at Merton Place, north of Morden Hall Park where you would have walked. The Park is pretty much unchanged since you (and I!) were young, except the big house is now a restaurant and the kitchen gardens a nursery and plant centre.
And the little old railway that you might remember is now a tramway!
meles
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Yes Meles
I do remember the railway and the big house, when we moved to Sutton we used to go to Morden and walk through the park to my Nans house in Rocky.
I am really going through memory lane tonight, the park seemed huge to me when I was a child. I also got married at St Lawrences Church Morden which was Nelsons church
Thanks for your posting
Chellin
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Hi Chellin
My husband has collected quite a few books & postcards showing pics & info from long ago Mitcham when it was a village, not a through road!
The info I have for Half Acre Row the houses were bought by George Pitt, a quaker & shopkeeper, re-conditioned & re-named by him as 'ressurrection Place'
There wasn't much info on Sibthorpe Rd apart from they were levelled in the 1970's & the red flats put in thier place.
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Oh right
Well I came to Australia in 1968 so thats why I didnt know it had gone, what a shame all that history bulldozed.
Have you the names of some of the books I would love to buy them
Chellin
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Hi missjano.
Glad you liked the pic's.
My sister in law used to live in Ottershaw house opposite the Bath Tavern back in the 80's. My husband & I also lived in the new houses they've built called Rock close for a while, then moved to Friday Road, just off Figges Marsh, now we live at Pollards Hill.
Can't seem to stay still!
If there's anything else in particular you'd like a pic of PM me your addy & I'll see if I can find an old pic of it. I've got a fair few of old Mitcham, so should be able to get quite near what you want.
Bye for now
Seems we use to live pretty close to each other at different times. We lived at Pollards Hill in 1980's, and Fleming Mead off Pitcairn Road off Figges Marsh, which gardens back onto Friday Road in the 1990's.
Small World!!!!. My sister in law lived in Sunningdale House in the 1980's.
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I was interested to read about Mitcham as I was born & lived there for many yrs.Would love to know if Doorwoman has any other photos of the area. Also if any Bowers are on this site.
My Gt g/parents lived in Queens Rd.
Selberry. :)
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Now I used to know a Jim and Billie Bowers, both now sadly passed on. They were wardens at the Hatchintan site at Worplesdon, Surrrey about 10 yrs ago or so. Not much help I know.
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Lanes were travellers - a Job Mills tinman m Phoebe Lane.
1871 St Saviour Croyden
Joh [sic] Mills head tinman 42 (prob c40)
Phoebe Mills wife 42 (probc 33)
William Lane tinman 35 (prob c56) (Phoebe's father)
Rebecca Lane 53 (prob c58) (her mother)
Frederick Lane 5 grandson
John Penfold 7 nephew
Earlier Lanes -
1861 Wandsworth
William tinman & grinder
Rebecca hawker of tinware
son Frederick grinder
Also on prev p of census james Lane, peg & skewer maker, mary Ann wife hawker & children
1841 Newport, Bucks
William & rebecca Lane & family
I am chasing Mills families so haven't much else on Lanes
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Hi thanks for that information, it has been a great help.
Ive been searching for the Lanes everwhere in the 1861 census can you let me know the resource please
Thanks
Chellin
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Oh and also the census for 1841 and 1851 please
thanks
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Census refs as follows -
1841 HO107/59 Fol 3 p1
1851 No record found
1861 RG9/373 Fol 22 pp16 & 17
I have refs for Phoebe Mills nee Lane (because of her marr to Job Mills) in later censuses.
I think she died in Mar 1892 age 53 in Croyden. Baptised Phebe Lane 22 Apr 1838 Bisham Berks par William Lane & Rebecca (IGI). A parent search under William Lane & Rebecca brings up quite a few likely bapts of children.
Vivienne
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Thank you very much for that Vivienne, have you any idea what other children William and Rebecca had and dates, I have a few.
I do have quite a bit of information on Phebe and Job and the other Mills
Again thanks again for the source information
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The IGI has the following bapts for children of William & Rebecca, may not all be theirs, but are possibilities -
Abraham 1837 (b 1835) Weslyan, Newport Pagnall, Bucks
David 1837 (b1833) ditto
William 1830 ditto
Rebecca 1835 Donington Wood Shrops
Trinnet 1841 St georges, reading Berks
George 1830 New Windsor berks
Emma 1832 ditto
Frederick 1843 Walton on Thames Surrey
I'd be interested in any info you have on the Mills families. I don't have any children for Job & Phoebe. Do you know who his parents were? or when he & Phoebe married?
They seem to have a lot of connections with the Penfolds which I haven't figured out either.
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Thanks for all that information, I think Trinett is definitely their child which I didnt know about as that name runs in the family. I dont know when Phoebe and Job got married or if they had any children, all the census seem to say they didnt.
This is what I have on the Mills family.
Aaron Mills 1808 parents Joseph Mills and Naomi Franklynn
Married Flora Cooper 1801 and child
Aaaron Mills 1829 - 1901
married Mary A Franklynn 1831-1891
Children Elizabeth Mills 1854
Jemima Mills 1858, George Mills 1859, William Mills 1863, Aaron Mills 1870, Susan Mills 1873, Mary Ann Mills 1875
Jemima Mills married Fred Smith1859 who was my great great Uncle.
Children Frederick Smith 1879, Jemima Smith 1878, Nelson Smith 1880, Noah Smith 1879, Alice Smith, 1884, Samuel Smith 1886, they all lived in Mitcham Surrey.
So that is two of my family marrying into the Mills Family.
Now also Mary Ann Mills 1875 married Alfred Lane 1868 his father was George Lane 1842 - 1896.
So it looks like the Smiths, Lanes and Mills were always together.
I have Penfolds in my tree but they seem to marry my Gardiner thread.
I am still not sure about that 1841 census for William and Rebecca as that says he is an Ag Labourer.
If you need to know anything about any of these people let me know
Chellin
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Chellin
Thanks for that - I knew about the Joseph & Aaron Mills families. My 3 x gt grandfather was born about 1816, don't know where, father Thomas. (See my earlier post). I am chasing up Mills families to see if there is any connection. There are a lot of travelling/gypsy Mills about all over the country, so it's quite difficult.
I have also heard that the Mills sometimes took the name of Smith & Cooper - so that makes it even more difficult
Thanks
Vivienne
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New to this sort of thing, but by default involved now! Are you still missing details about the Smith's Penfold's & Lyon families.
By marriage I am connected to the Lyon Family of Mitcham on the side of Oliver & Phoebe's? grand-daughter. I have looked after his grave for the past 18 years, along with visiting other Lyon & Darke family. We do have a family picture which was taken when my wife was really young at a wedding, she is now 53.
Shot in the dark, are you Sid's daughter - Linda?
If I have got this totally wrong and have offended you in anyway I'm sorry.
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Hi there
Yes I am Sids daughter....how exciting, how are we related ? and have you any pics of my grandads grave.
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Hi, I married Ollie & Vera's daughter Rosemary, who has an older brother Lennard, and can confirm lived in Sibford? road, up from the yard. Currently, my wife is unaware of this find, as my brother in law, by chance came across the string of details in Roots.
Since the death of Ollie a couple of years ago, we have not been back to the Mitcham crem, but will try this summer to go over and get a few pics.
Not sure how best to continue this, as it was a shot in the dark. After my brother in law, mentioned his find last week, and the posted picture of the chap riding towards the yard, was recognised as the Gas Man! We sat down and worked out who you were likely to be.
Nick the son in law
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Oh this is so great.....thank your brother in law for spotting this. So your wife must be my second cousin is that right. I will private message you my email address and if you could send me yours we can carry on this conversation. Very sad to hear Ollie has died xx
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Hi there,
i have just come across this site i also have direct connections as my g/g grandfather was William smith.
married to Emily Cooper.
I also would love to establish the connections of josiah and Alice and would love to hear fron u.
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Hi Chris
Josiah and Alice are my GG Grandparents, their son Josiah was my g Grandfather and his daughter Phoebe was my nan.
Hope this helps you, how are you connected
Linda
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josiah Smith (1935) m: Alice Lane (1836) in 1858. they are my g/g grandparents if you have information please get in touch with me. i can be reached on Email (*)
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oh my connection is as follows :-
William Smith 1867 his son christopher, then his daughter mercy is my mother.
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So your Mum and My Dad are second cousins, shaver........dont have much information at all about Josiah and Alice Im afraid, only that Alice was Alice Lane and her father and Mother were William 1814-1903 and Rebecca Lane 1816-1876. I will pm you an extract that I have on Josiah.
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Below are the SMITH baptisms I found at Mitcham plus two marriages at the end:
SRY Mitcham pbp3/8/1860 William s/o Aaron/Cordelia, hkr of M
SRY Mitcham bp5/6/1870 Mary Ann d/o John/Hannah, hkr of M
SRY Mitcham bp2/7/1871 Caroline d/o John/Mary Ann, hkr of Half-acre Row
SRY Mitcham bp2/8/1874 Sarah d/o John/Mary Ann, hkr of Half-acre Row
SRY Mitcham bp3/6/1877 George s/o John/Mary Ann, tinman of Half-acre Row
SRY Mitcham bp2/7/1878 Jemima d/o Frederick/Jemima, hkr of Half-acre Row
SRY Mitcham bp6/7/1879 Henry s/o John/Mary Ann, hkr of Half-acre Row
SRY Mitcham bp16/10/1879 Frederick s/o Frederick/Jemima, hkr
SRY Mitcham bp7/11/1880 Nelson s/o Frederick/Jemima, hkr of Half-acre Row
SRY Mitcham bp3/4/1881 Daniel s/o John/Hannah, hkr of Half-acre Row
SRY Mitcham bp5/6/1881 Rosie d/o John/Mary Ann, hkr of Half-acre Row
SRY Mitcham pbp23/4/1883 Emmelina d/o Samuel/Louisa, gipsies of caravan
SRY Mitcham bp6/4/1884 Alice d/o Frederick/Jemima, hkr
SRY Mitcham bp1/6/1884 John Richard s/o John/Ann, grinder
SRY Mitcham bp7/12/1884 Sinimenta d/o Benjamin/Caroline, hkr of Half-acre Row
SRY Mitcham bp1/5/1886 Edward Albert s/o Benjamin/Caroline, hkr of Half-acre Row
SRY Mitcham bp3/10/1886 Samuel s/o Frederick/Jemima, hkr of Half-acre Row
SRY Mitcham bp4/12/1887 Clementina d/o Joseph/Clementina, lab of Half-acre Row
SRY Mitcham bp6/5/1888 Ada d/o Benjamin/Caroline, hkr of Sibthorp Road
SRY Mitcham bp1/6/1890 Evetti d/o William/Emily, hkr of 6 Fountain Road
SRY Mitcham bp6/12/1891 Brittania d/o William/Emily, hkr of 25, Fountain Road
SRY Mitcham bp5/2/1893 Misey d/o William/Emily, hkr Fountain End
SRY Mitcham bp2/12/1894 Ada Lily d/o Charles/Britannia, hkr
SRY Mitcham bp7/4/1895 Ada d/o John/Mary, hkr
SRY Mitcham bp3/3/1901 John Percy s/o William/Emily, hrs.dlr of 23, Fountain Road
SRY Mitcham bp19/8/1906 Abel s/o Abel/Rachel, hkr of Belgrave Road
SRY Mitcham bp4/11/1906 Primrosenta d/o George/Lemonelia, hkr of 4, Bath Road
SRY Mitcham bp2/2/1908 Anna Reta d/o Jesse/Emily, hkr of 43, Fountain Road
SRY Mitcham bp5/9/1909 Solomon s/o Leonard/Rayney, hkr of 1, Lewis Cotts
SRY Mitcham m10/6/1878 Frederick (full) hkr (fa: Joseph – hkr) = Jemima MILLS (22) (fa: Aaron - hkr)
SRY Mitcham m26/12/1884 William (19) hkr (fa: John – hkr) = Emily COOPER (18) (fa: John - hkr)
TL
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Oh that is great thank you king......thats all my family they lived in Half acre row and fountain road, thats a great help to me
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Thanks King for listing your message very helpful.
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Just came across this, I know it’s a while since the last message but I’m the grandson of John smith (johnney) and vanslow is me great uncle and there father is pictured in the middle row on the right. Just wondering if anyone found anymore info of there ancestry?
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Do you know who the man at the back in the middle is?