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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: handmr on Thursday 11 January 07 12:04 GMT (UK)
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I'm looking for the parents of Mary Ann Eliza (Elizabeth?) Fish. She was born about 1860 and was married to George Atwood in Brighton in 1887. The marriage certificate states her father as David Fish (Fisk?). Has anyone information about this person?
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born about 1860 - any idea where ? Ae we talking Sussex overall, or did she 'travel' a ways to get married in Brighton ?
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the only lass in the yet transcribed FreeBMD Register with the full set of names ...
Births Mar 1859
FISH Mary Blackburn
FISH Mary Stokesley
FISH Mary Ann Barton
FISH Mary Ann Eliza Chelsea Vol 1a Page 157
FISH Mary Hutchinson Blackburn 4
FISH Mary Jane W Derby
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Welcome to Rootschat handmr :) :)
I have had a look on ancestry but cannot trace Mary Fish born 1860 in Sussex. I also had a look for Elizabeth and Mary ann but no luck. Do you have any more details that might help the search?
Kerry
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How about this one? - transcribed as FESH
1871
RG10/1075 folio 42 page 77
living Sussex Square Stables, Brighton
Daniel FISH aged ?54 a coachman born Blandford, Dorset
wife Angelina ?34 born London
children
Mary A 12 born Chelsea
Angelina 10 born Brighton
Emma 8 born Brighton
Helen 6 born Marylebone
Charles 3 born Brighton
Richard 2 born Brighton
Baby 2 wks born Brighton
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1861 census - RG9/1013; Folio: 73; Page: 24 - Luton, Beds
Farley Road
Charles Harrison 48 Head Smith Suffolk, Woodbridge
Mary A E Harrison 48 Wife Surrey, ~~~~
Samuel Harrison 14 son Knightsbridge
Mary A E Fish 2 Grand-daughter born Chelsea
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Hello handmr and welcome to rootschat - the best place for family history on the internet :) :)
There is a Mary Ann E Fish living with her grandparents in 1861
Bedfordshire Luton Farley Road RG9/1013 73/24
Charles Harrison head Mar 48 Smith Suffolk Woodbridge
Mary A E do wife Mar 48 Smith's wife Surrey ?
Samuel do son 14 Smiths boy London Knightsbridge
Mary A E Fish grandaur 2 London Chelsea
I've been trying to find Mary Atwood in 1891 to check the birth place - with no success at the minute. Did they stay in England
Trish
Edit: I didn't notice the above before I posted ??? ??? Another senior moment
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Thanks all of you for the help.
George and Mary Ann were definitely living in Sussex when my mother's mother and her siblings were born between 1889 and 1899 and also after my mother was born in 1916 because she spent a lot of her holidays with them.
It just seems very odd that they don't occur in any census.
Still a mystery!
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Could you add the name of the children - it may help find the family on the census
Trish
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There's a David Fisk / Fish aged 15 in Brighthelmstone (Brighton) 1851 census ..
HO107/1646; Folio: 311; Page: 23 - Father is David, who can be seen as FISH in 1861
If we can find from 1851, which daughter of the Harrisons was around in Luton, we might then find the FISH / HARRISON marriage ....
UPDATE: This chap can be seen in 1871, a grocer - alone and unmarried/widowered
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1851 - HO107/1478; Folio: 237; Page: 11 - St George Hanover Sq
1, Belgrave Buildings
Charles Harrison 38 Head Smith Suffolk, Woodbridge
Mary A E Harrison 38 Wife Surrey, Newington, Kent Road
Richard J W Harrison 14 son Pimlico
Hannah E Harrison 12 dau Knightsbridge
Mary A E Harrison 10 dau do
Samuel Harrison 4 son do
So is it the obvious daughter Mary A.E who marries David Fish, or her sister Hannah ?
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There is a David Fisk marriage on freeBDM but the page is missing 1 female partner (always the one you want)
Fisk David Plomesgate 4a 937 June 1859
Trish
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isnt that Norfolk ?
I'll try the full indices - work back from Mary jnrs birth (hopefully they were conventional ;) )
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Just checked June 1859 above marriage on full index David Fisk didnt marry a Mary Harrison no matches.
And also cant find them in 1891 or 1901 in Sussex .Frustrating.
Best Wishes Welsh Lady
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cant see the Harrisons in 1871 ... I wonder if Mary A.E remarried, if David F died ?
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well, I cant find EITHER of the Harrison daughters marrying in the 1856-1860 period in an obvious district.
But one of 'em had Mary jnr, as evidenced by her 'grandaughter' relationship to the Harrisons in 1861.
Saw a DANIEL FISH marrying 3Q1858 1a 455 in St George Hanover Sq ...
I'm looking for the parents of Mary Ann Eliza (Elizabeth?) Fish
I think your best bet is to get the the Birth Cert for Mary AE Fish I found and at least you will have answered the first part of your query ? :)
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Hi Newfy
Thanks for the interest. I have the Chelsea certificate. It lists the parents as Daniel Fish and Angelina (formerly Harrison). He is listed as a domestic servant on the birth certificate, but on Mary Ann's marriage certificate her father is listed as licensed victualler. I don't know how to be sure that this birth refers to my great grandmother - how do I make the link?
Any ideas.
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well, well - I thought that Daniel Fish was in the right place at the right time !
It lists the parents as Daniel Fish and Angelina (formerly Harrison).
Get the marriage Cert I saw and take it from there ? The 'formerly HARRISON' is the key link I'd say ...
Saw a DANIEL FISH marrying 3Q1858 1a 455 in St George Hanover Sq ...
Not quite sure why you didnt mention this before - no wonder we couldnt find a DAVID ::)
Angelina .... hmmmm ... lets see what the Marriage Cert says ...
I'll look for a Daniel now in 1861 ....
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PS. Looks like you owe BEARKAT a vote of thanks for the 1871 find !
How about this one? - transcribed as FESH
1871
RG10/1075 folio 42 page 77
living Sussex Square Stables, Brighton
Daniel FISH aged ?54 a coachman born Blandford, Dorset
wife Angelina ?34 born London
children
Mary A 12 born Chelsea
Angelina 10 born Brighton
Emma 8 born Brighton
Helen 6 born Marylebone
Charles 3 born Brighton
Richard 2 born Brighton
Baby 2 wks born Brighton
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Newfy's marriage is right St George Hanover Sq...lookup Harrison gives
Angelina...but I read as vol 1a page 433? on original.
Tazzie
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They ought to be in Brighton in 1861 ..... but no sign ...
Trish - my Page refn was a handwritten one for Daniel ... I'll double check.
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http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8965&iid=ONS_M18583AH-0637&fn=&ln=Record+from+England+%26+Wales%2c+Marriage+Index%3a+1837-1983&st=d&ssrc=&pid=482047
looks like '455' to me - anybody else please ?
Trish - yours was for Ms Harrison - I think its a 5 there ctoo, his '5s' has a more curley loop at the bottom than the '3s' on the page ?
http://content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8965&iid=ONS_M18583AH-0835&fn=&ln=Record+from+England+%26+Wales%2c+Marriage+Index%3a+1837-1983&st=d&ssrc=&pid=481293
Ordering the Cert online one could ask the question ...
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Hi Newfy.....its Tazzie not Trish...
Yep looked at Harrison 3rd qrt 1858...and Angelina is there St George Hanover Sq...blown it up 175% ( reading parish registers from 1700 yesterday ouch eyes hurt) looks like 455 now but 5 are not completed with the top looking faint.
Tazzie
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sorry Tazzie ! Not sure how I read Trish ! ::)
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HANDMR - you still there ?
With Tazzie's confirmation, I'd go for that St George Hanover Sq Marriage - 3Q1858 - Vol 1a Page 455.
I suspect that the Mary AE Harrison we saw in 1851 has a middle name Angelina ?
All the clues are there .... Birth Cert of your lass saying Mum formerly Harrison.
Being with Grandparents Harrison in 1861 ....
I wouldnt worry about the change of occupation for Daniel - look what he was in 1871 !
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I am just amazed I still can after yesterday...some of the things I was trying to transcribe yesterday well ??? ??? you would not believe. LOL
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tis hard work sometimes ! :D
So do you think we can 'sign this one off' - apart from 1861 !
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Have we got 1881...he's a coachman then as well.........
Think so .... ;D
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Many thanks and applause to all of you for your hard work. I agree it's probably this side of coincidence and I'll continue following Angelina. I found her in the 41 census today and she had a sister Mary Ann so thats just another link.
You've been so helpful and I'll be back if I'm stuck again.
Thanks again
:) :) :) :D :D :D
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Hi......
Oh you will be back ...this gets to be addictive ;D
Have fun and enjoy Rootschat the best site out.
Tazzie
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well spotted !
Angelina Harrison (b1834) is indeed the older sister of Mary A.E and Hannah seen on the 1851.
Father Charles - Smith.
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Daniel and Angelina are still living in Paddington on the 1891 census, Daniel is listed as a retired publican - see RG12/4, Folio 124, Page 3.
George and Mary must be on the 1891 and 1901 census somewhere :o
As Trish asked earlier on this thread; if you were to post the names/year of birth of their children born between 1889 and 1901, then it should help to find them.
Regards,
Kath
Edit: Also, as you have George and Mary's marriage cert, what addresses were they living at and what was George's occupation, this will make it a lot easier to find them
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George and Mary must be on the 1891 and 1901 census somewhere
oh that it were always so .... my grandad cant be found - has defied the best in the business.
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As Trish asked earlier on this thread; if you were to post the names/year of birth of their children born between 1889 and 1901, then it should help to find them.
The three children of George and Mary Ann atwood are:
Beatrice Lillian b 1889
Dorothy Viola b 1894
George Evan b 1899 and all the births were registered in Cuckfield district.
When my mother was a child (1911 onwards) they were living in Sussex and when I was a child Mary Ann was still living in Sussex, so I can assume that they were in Sussex all their married lives - maybe not.
On the marriage cert. they were both living at 11 Windsor St Brighton and both were employed as whitesmiths.
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1901 - RG13/911; Folio: 53; Page: 14 - in Burgess Hill
1, Howard Cottages, Junction Road
The 'daughter' Eva G - must be your George Evan ? - but deffo in the Female column ?
Geo Attwood 37 Head GasFitter (own account) Sussex, Brighton
Mary Attwood 40 Wife London
Beatrice Attwood 11 dau Burgess Hill
Dorothy W Attwood 6 dau do
Eva G Attwood 2 dau do
John D Attwood 84 Father Assist GasFitter Sussex, Battle
Alfred D Attwood 28 Brother Brickies Labourer Burgess Hill
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well done. I couldn't find them.
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Newfy, you are a miracle worker! The 1901 entry is what I've been missing. I shall have to be more creative in my searching in future. Thanks again.
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Congrats Newfy.
Do I take it you have them in the 1891 handmr?
George and Mary must be on the 1891 and 1901 census somewhere
oh that it were always so .... my grandad cant be found - has defied the best in the business.
Ah, yes I have a few missing, but every now and again, something crops up :D Is your grandad missing in more than one?
Regards,
Kath
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NO, just 1901.
It may be to do with the fact that he was a Conjuror / Entertainer ::)