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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Bedfordshire => Topic started by: GILL77 on Thursday 11 January 07 20:43 GMT (UK)
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Re: Albone - Biggleswade
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I' ve found these on www.familysearch.org:
Edward Albone bpt 1819
Elizabeth Albone bpt 1821
Millar Albone bpt 1824
All in Biggleswade, all have parents Edward and Elizabeth and all extracted records.
Could this be your family?
Nanny Jan
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Gill in the 1841 census ages were rounded down so are out within 5 years sometimes.
Heres exact Dates and other siblings
Parents- Edward Albone and Elizabeth
David Albone-10 Oct 1813
Lucy Albone-25 Dec 1816
Edward Albone-22 Aug 1819
Elizabeth Albone-09 Dec 1821
Millar Albone-09 May 1824
So we need to find a marriage now for Edward and Elizabeth b-1781.Around 1813 going from the birth of their first child.
Best Wishes Welsh Lady
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Dear Gill
I am in the process of doing a one name study for Albon(e).
I have this family in my database.
You are correct in that Edward's parents were Joseph Albon and Ann Bonfield. I have their mrrg, chr and death data if you need it, and Josephs parents.
Where do you fit into the Albone story?
KR Denise
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Hi Gill,
I've had a look at your tree and I maybe able to fill in some of the gaps.
Gertrude's birth was registered Jan-Mar 1908 in Islington. I could not find any of her siblings registered in Islington, other than Florence Mabel. How sure are you that these were their names?
Gertrude's mother was Georgina Sutton. Mrrd to Archibald Theodore Albone - Jul-Sep 1902, Islington.
Archibald's mother was Emma Toll, mrrd to Joseph registered Apr-Jun 1872 Hitchin.
Millar and Anne (Balls) had the following children
Mary Ann chr 28 Jul 1850
William David chr 20 Jan 1854
George Balls Albone reg Jan-Mar 1860
Millar Peter reg Oct-Dec 1862
I then have the same lineage going back to Thomas and Mary of Biggleswade.
KR Denise
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hi,
are you an albone??
i'm trying to trace a peter albone, not sure when he was born but married a patricia smith in 1960's. they had 4 children, one died in 1970 (girl) boy born in 1971, and twin girls born in 1973...
this is a long shot, but i hope you can help.....
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What has Bedfordshire done to cause you to delete all your messages?
9 days later - all GILL77's messages in this thread have now been deleted, other than the original post
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May be worth getting hold of that book [printed by BHRS] about the Biggleswade ALBONEs because one of them started up the byke factory and later went into cars [a ''rags to riches'' story?].
And I think they are spoken about in the Samuel Whitbread Notebooks [also published by BHRS] and in the early 1810s members of the ALBONE family needed to resort to ''the Parish'', I think but I forget the details and gave someone my copy.
May be worth consulting the Blars adlib site to see what is on the Beds Archives site there is about them?
cathy
Ps: Also try the online Bedford Gaol site where there is quite a few of 'em were resident.
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Hi hutch,
Sorry I'm a bit late joining the thread - been frantically trying (again) to breakdown by my Adams brickwall (without success sadly :'().
Do you by any chance have Clifford Albon and his brother Reginald in your database?
Both brothers were born in Arlesey. I have traced them back to Abraham Albone, born c 1793, but would like to confirm my findings with someone, OR get even further back.
How lovely to find a family that stayed in one place for a change! ;D
This is my husband's mum's line, by the way.
Hope to hear from you.
Paulene :)
Also hope GILL77 is ok :-\
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I have an interest in Eleanor Albone c. 1832 Biggleswade, dau. of Thomas and Sarah Albone. I she of interest to anyone else?
Regards, Brenda
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Sorry to butt-in! Are any of these Albones connected to the Ann Albone of Arlesey b c 1790 who married a John Newberry in 1810?? I would be grateful for any info on the connection between the Newberry Family and Albones and the Anselms--trying to make sense of the Newberry family has stumped me!!!
Sally
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Paulene - can you post your line from Clifford to Abraham and I (or someone else!) will take a look? I have quite a few Albones from Arlesey in my tree, but they've all married into my family, and none of them direct line, so I've never joined up the dots. It's about time I looked at them in more depth!
Sally - I have Arlesey transcript and will take a look at the Newberrys if you could let me know the problem. I have a couple of Newberrys from adjoining Ickleford, Herts, in my tree, but don't know if they connect to Arlesey. Have you seen the thread at http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,135132.0.html ?
It might be better to start new threads for each topic as this thread is impossible to follow since GILL77 deleted her posts - possibly the one off post asking for details of living Albones had something to do with it - after posting, the writer has never even signed in again to see if there was a reply!
David, bored in France!
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David,
thank-you so much for the link to last Newberry thread. I am about to start new topic-will be a few minutes while I retrieve my "problem" re Newberry!!
Sally
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Hi David,
Thank you for replying :)
Clifford Albone (Albon as we knew him) is on the 1901 census with his parents, Fred and Margaret:
RG13 Piece 1498 Folio 33 Page 13
Although his baptism doesn't seem to be on the IGI, his parents' marriage is:
Frederick Albone to Margaret Ann Gregory
14 Jun 1886, Arlesey, Bedfordshire
This gives Frederick's father's name as Ephraim Albone, which fits in the previous census information I have found for Frederick/Fred.
This is Frederick and his family in 1881:
RG11 Piece 1629 Folio 19 Page 31.
Please let me know if you need any further information, David.
Thank you for your help.
Paulene :)
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There is so much garbage on the IGI that one of these Arlesey Albons must have emigrated to Utah.
Have you found Ephraim in 1841, before he married? I can't see him.
I'd go to bed and look at them in the morning but the test match in the West Indies is too tense!
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Hi David,
I couldn't find Ephraim on the 1841 census either - but there are many which are very hard to read on the Arlesey pages. (Possible one that might say Ephraim on page 5 - but not at all sure).
Found his marriage to Mary Newberry on 13 July 1846, Arlesey St. Peters.
Then, on the 1851 census he and Mary are living with her parents David and Phoebe Newberry, at Arlesey.
It's intersting to see that although Ephraim is down as being born in Arlesey on the 1851 census, that he's entered as being born at Vine, Langford, on the 1861 census.
So, I had a look to see where this is - and it is mid way between Arlesey and Astwick - which would fit in with the baptism (parish register entry) at Astwick in 1828. This states that his parents were Abraham and Elisabeth Albone.
It is possible Elizabeth/Elisabeth died in 1830 (on NBI) and Abraham married again, but I'm not certain of this, David.
Let me know what you think, David.
No rush - enjoy the cricket!
Paulene :)
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Hi Paulene
I don't know why, but there are a lot of illegible pages in Beds on Ancestry where the image on my CDrom set from Stepping Stones is perfectly clear. I find I have to refer to the CDrom a lot.
And by so doing I think I may have found him! There's an Ephraim Albon aged 10 at reference HO107/3/1 folio 17A page 32. He's the 5th entry from the top. Don't tell me you missed it too! (don't worry if you did, the whole family is totally blank)
Edward Stanford 76 farmer Not b in Beds
Mary Stanford 70 B in Beds
Elizabeth Stanford 29 B in Beds
William Stanford 20 ag lab b in Beds
Ephraim Albon 10 ag lab b in Beds
It would have been nice if he'd been with his family, but I don't think it's necessary.
Mary Stanford's maiden name was Cooper, and she was a sister of my 4xg grandfather! But I'm pretty certain that she wasn't connected to the Albons.
I agree with your line back to Abraham. His first wife, the mother of Ephraim, was Elizabeth Cobb, baptised at Arlesey (all vital events are Arlesey unless stated otherwise) 17 Mar 1793 which ties in with the burial of Elizabeth Albon aged 38 on 5 June 1830. That leaves the way clear for Abraham to have married Sarah Hall at Langford on 11 Sep 1830. I believe she was the widow of John Hall and her maiden name was Hine. In 1851 their grand daughter Jane Hall age 12 was living with them (and probably in 1841 as well aged 2 but enumerated as Albon, transcribed as Abbon). She was baptised on 16 Apr 1843 aged 5, daughter of Sarah Hall, who was the daughter of John and Sarah. In 1841 Abraham and Sarah also had Thomas aged 15 living with them - I think he too may have been baptised at Astwick (my parents married there!) but the PR may be in error as his father is named as Edward, and mother Elizabeth. I haven't double checked to see if there really was an Edward and Elizabeth Albone.
Abraham was baptised on 14 April 1796, the son of Thomas and Mary.
Thomas Albon married Mary Lyne on 2 Apr 1793. Thomas was baptised on 9 Dec 1770, the son of Abraham and Ann
Abraham Albon married Ann Myatt on 8 Mar 1770.
And that was as far as I got last night before I got sidetracked by the cricket, which ended up in an anticlimax, at least for me!
I'll carry on this afternoon if my son and his two little friends will allow me to use the computer
I noticed that Ephraim gave Langford as his birthplace in one of the late censuses, 1901, I think, from memory. Glad you've sorted that out!
You say "Then, on the 1851 census he and Mary are living with her parents David and Phoebe Newberry". Phoebe was actually David's daughter, not his wife.
More later
David
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Hi David,
Thank you for all the hard work you're putting into this.
After I came off rootschat last night I found the abbon family, and thought that probably was them.
Finally managed to make out the surname Albon on page 32, by making the page yellow, et etc, but still couldn't see the Ephraim - is it very small writing, David.
For interest; there are still quite a few of my husband's mum's family in the Arlesey area - Albon/Albones, Dear, Leggate, etc. Connie's father, Cliff, went off to train as a male nurse, with his wife Alice, but many of the family still live in Hitchin and Arlesey today.
I have to go off for a doctors appointment, but will be back on the case later.
Once again, thank you so much for your help.
Kind regards.
Paulene :)
Makes it so much more easy when they stay in one place - can't for the life of me find where mine came from!
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Not too hot at this attaching business. Let's see how it turns out!
Well I can read it, just about. Hope it works for you. If not send me a PM with your email and I'll attach it. Can't work out how to attach it so it appears under the message rather than as an attachment!
I've got loads on the Legates in Henlow - let me know if you need anything. Who's your Legate connection? I've got a couple of Dears, much the same as the Albons, but no direct line.
My Coopers were the opposite of yuppies - they stayed in Henlow and adjoining Arlesey from 1450 onwards. The only upwardly mobile ones went to the US on the Mayflower, hence American interest in the family
David
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HI David,
That image was fine, thanks - very clear. Strange how the ones on ancestry are so bad in comparison; and the ones on findmypast are totally impossible to read (which surprised me as they usually get compliments on rootschat for clear images).
The lady from the Leggate line is Louisa Legate, daughter of James and Mary Ann (Henlow). She went into service at Edmonton, but got into the family way, came back to Henlow and then married Frederick Dear. It might have been Frederick Dear who had the grocery store, but I can't remember without looking through the details - I have a photo somewhere of the shop.
Connie, my dear mum-in-law, wondered if her mystery grandfather might have been the lord of the manor - Louisa was a cook. She asked me to look into it, but Louisa as far as I could see was one of many who went to Middlesex to work in domestic service in a middle class household. We even sent away for the head of the household's will to see if there was any mention of a child - Connie thought the head of the household must have had his "evil way" with her. I'm not so sure - the gentleman had a fifteen year old son, and of course perhaps Frederick might have been the child's father, who could not marry her at that time. We shall never know.
She grew up as part of the Dear household; a very close and loving household.
Amazing how close and inter-related all the families are, David.
The sad thing is that Connie's mum, who was a nurse, never got over being born illegitimate - it was something she hid all the days of her life, and felt ashamed of. I never her met her; but she was, I believe, a very gentle and loving lady.
Bye for now.
Paulene :)
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You're right, David, it is strange how Epraim is with another family on the 1841 census - might have been working with the farmer, but might not have liked the new mum-in-law.
Some bell is ringing that it might be Ephraim that I spotted something about being "disorderly" - I haven't looked at this line for a couple of years. If I do find it, I'll let you know, David.
That might explain why he was there! :o ;D
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Hi Paulene
I have Louisa in my tree, born c1875, daughter of James and Mary Ann (Mays). Her gg grandmother, who married John Legate, was Rachel Albon born 1730, baptised in Jan 1752 age 22 at Clifton, but unfortunately no parents are mentioned. Must have a look a bit deeper into her!
David
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Hi David,
I think it's the same Louisa, David - on the 1901 census she is working as a cook for the managing director of the cement works in Arlesey. The following year she marries Frederick George Dear:
Jun qtr 1902 Biggleswade 3b 677
Alice is with her grandparents, James and Mary Ann, on the 1901 census.
Small world, isn't it! :D
Must find that photograph.
Take care - hope you're having nice weather in France.
Paulene :)
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Hi Paulene,
Just recently I began to trace my husband's side the King's who came from Arlesey, Bedford. There are a few King's who married Albon/Albone's and other names that have been mentioned in various postings to you. I can give you a contact a cousin to my husband who has done a huge amount of research, and confirmation to back up his findings. Please contact me for details.
Cheers,
Dawn King
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Hi Dawn,
What a surprise :D
It's good to see you on rootschat - I hope you enjoy the site as much as I do. Have a good explore - not only tips and help with family history, but beautiful restoration son the Photographs board, too.
That's a wonderful offer (one I'm sure David might be interested in, too). I will send you a pm a bit later today - it's my son's eighteenth tomorrow so I have visitors coming today, and won't get on the computer very much.
If you have any ancestors in Notts that is my specialty area, so feel free to ask with regard to resources, books, etc.
Thank you so much for getting in touch, Dawn.
Kind regards,
Paulene :)
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Hi Dawn
Welcome to Rootschat
My only direct line Kings are Henry I and Henry II, and they weren't from Arlesey, which is where my Cooper and quite a few other ancestors were from!
I've done a lot of research on my Arlesey names, and will happily share the results with you.
I'll send you a PM
David
Later. I've just found that until you've made 3 postings I can't send you any personal messages. So this is what I intended sending you
Hi Dawn
I've been looking a bit closer at my Kings, and find I do have a couple from Arlesey, but they're very peripheral, and I haven't done any work on them. Likewise I have a few Albons but they too have married into my names, and I don't think any are direct line.
My main Arlesey names are Cooper, Topham, and Young. Let me know if any of these are connected to your names.
My email is (*) (substitute @ for at)
Kind regards
David
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Hi Dawn,
Until David pointed it out, I didn't realise about not being able to pm until you had posted 3 times.
Hope to hear from you again on the thread.
Paulene :)
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Hi Paulene,
Look forward to hearing from you, (*) Dawn
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Perhaps this topic had run its course, but I'll chance a query.
I believe my wife's ancestor to be Elizabeth Albone, born c1789 Biggleswade. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=796146.msg6529340#msg6529340
Seems there are two serious contenders:
Elizabeth b 19 November 1786 parents William and Elizabeth.
Elizabeth b 24 December 1786 parents Joseph and Ann
Elizabeth b 19 November according to trees on FamilySearch and Heritage is descended from both parents. Hmm. They can't both be correct can they?
Does anyone have a connection to these families and can provide provenace for either tree?
Kind regards, O.
My money is on Elizabeth dau of Joseph and Ann being my wife's ancestor because they had a son Edward and a son of Elizabeth Johnson (nee Harberd/Albone) was named Edward Albor/Albone.