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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: krissy on Tuesday 23 January 07 18:00 GMT (UK)
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hi there,
does anyone have any ideas where i can start searching for ww1 convalescent homes in toronto, have just heard that my grt uncle was sent to one after being wounded in 1919.
havent a clue where to start so would welcome any help
cheers
krissy
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Hi Krissy,
two convalecent homes come to mind, Christie St which was for WWI soldiers and St. John's.
You might try this site, Archives Canada has a lot of goodie but you might have to dig around a bit.
http://www.collectionscanada.ca/genealogy/index-e.html
jc
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http://search-recherche.collectionscanada.ca/fed/search.jsp?Language=eng
Longwood Convalescent Home, 5 miles North of Toronto, Ont 1914-1919.
and the reference below to files which hopefully would cover Toronto..
1. PROPOSED COMMISSION FOR PROVIDING AND MAINTAINING CONVALESCENT HOMES FOR WOUNDED SOLDIERS
WW I , BOXES 1472-1473 .......1915-1920. File.
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2. WW I CONVALESCENT HOMES - MILLS S
1915-1920. File.
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3. WW I CONVALESCENT HOMES - BEATTY C W MRS , TORONTO
VOLS 1-2 1915-1919. File.
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Here's a ww1 forrum with their thoughts on the subject...
There were 15 Military Hospitals in Toronto used as convalescent homes by 1918 according to one account...
http://www.cefresearch.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=17795&sid=4943d7f516e7b69c639d84b380323d66
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hi genie and jeany ::)
thanks so much for that its a bit late now but i will get on to these first thing in the morning and will let you know if i come up with anything,i didnt have a clue where to start so you have both really helped :-*
krissy
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:DOh, say...welcome to rootschat, geniecolgan...!
Hi, Krissy! ;D J.J.
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:DOh, say...welcome to rootschat, geniecolgan...!
Hi, Krissy! ;D J.J.
Krissy, you're welcome!
J.J. Hi, thanks for the welcome.
I'm new here... what does ":Doh" mean? (see your Quote).
jc
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hi geniecolgan,
sorry didnt realise you were a newbie so heres a belated welcome to the madhouse ::)
i think jj is an avid simpson fan hence the Doh ! im sure she will explain ha ha
krissy
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"Oh" is what I meant to put...sheesh! I can't stand the Simpson DOH.!!!
I would NEVER use it on purpose...so go figure how my sloppy two finger
typing found the "D" but I did...Likely when shifting for caps one of my
dopey digits rested on it...
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Thanks again for the warm welcome ladies :-*.
J.J., Now I understand! Typing isn't my bag either. I got into the Chatroom by accident last week and the speed was too much for me, so with the ":DoH" I thought I'd have to learn a new language :'(.
All better now.
Jeanette
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Yes I stay away from the chat...I am too slow for them...20 sentences later I get a word in and it's old news! I wander in there no more... ( plus as you say, we need to know the shortcuts and acronyms ) J.J.
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duh! wots and acronym jj
??? ???
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Words made out of the first letters of the actual sentence bit..
Such as "By the way"..BTW.........ATB all the best...ROFL Rolling on floor laughing...
WOMBAT - Waste Of Money, Brains, And Time
and this one describes me!
PICNIC - Problem In Chair Not In Computer
I just ask my son what they mean...teens come in handy... ;D.J.
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thankyou so much for explaining that to me jj ,because
IATT !!!!
;)
krissy
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Yes I stay away from the chat...I am too slow for them...20 sentences later I get a word in and it's old news! I wander in there no more... ( plus as you say, we need to know the shortcuts and acronyms ) J.J.
Oh JJ, I do wish you would come in to the chat room. It is alot of fun and you don't have to be real fast ;)
Karen
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:P :P They'll slap our hands for putting the lighter side on our posting...but...
Karen I have tried so many times to keep up and I am lost...Not the only
one....I know lots who are not comfortable in the chats...I'm o.k. if only a few
in there...Maybe try again when I finally get some needed glasses....(big MAYBE)
My son used to belong to a chat where you had to stay in character...Was fun to read his lines, as it was more like a written play, really... Someone could have made a great teen/ medieval movie out of it all.
IATT...think I guessed it ...either that or I've insulted you...TEEHEEE
I'm a total twit? J.
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hi jj
well lets say you are close enough!!!!!!!!
hee hee
krissy ;D
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"In a terrible turmoil?" " In a tupperware tub?'
"Itchy antsy tummy tickler?" " Inevitably arduous trowel toil?"
"Isolated amusing time travel?" "inate amiable tree topper?"
"Insulting ambiguous tactless talk?" 8)
ITINAC...
( I think I need a coffee )..... J.J.
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coffee jj ???????
you need something ha !ha !.
some great answers there ,but im afraid none of them were right, but how can i let you continue its obviously had a weird affect on you :o
I A T T = I am totally Thick !
simple when you think of it eh? ::)
krissy
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hi jj
just to update you about my grt uncle fred jefferis, we have found out that he was injured twice whilst serving with the cef.
firstly he was shot twice in his right arm and was sent to shorncliffe, then in 1916 he was suffering from shell shock after and explosion, he was sent back to toronto and placed in a military convalescent home, until he was discharged unfit to serve.
how sad is that, you begin to wonder how he managed after and what type of work he would have been capable of, as he was still in his early 20s i would have expected him to return home to mum in the uk, but we know that was not the case so we are still searching he must have settled somewhere, his last address was in toronto so now we have to start again from there.
will let you know if we come up with anymore
krissy
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ps. we think it was a place called spadina military hospital that he was sent to in toronto, has anyone heard of it?
krissy
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Yes there is!
http://www.ideasmag.artsci.utoronto.ca/issue1_1/feature4.html
but now you still need to see about records....I'll poke around....J.J.
excerpt:
....to house Knox College; four decades later, the Presbyterians relocated eastward, on St. George. The structure then became home to the Spadina Military Hospital for convalescing World War I soldiers, to the armories of the Toronto Regiment, to the Connaught Laboratories, which conducted drug research and development, and finally to the university itself.
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Here you go, Krissy...
http://tinyurl.com/29e92c but you will need to order the records I think through your library... *acronym...*IADITD.... (I'm a dodo in that department)...so maybe someone can tell you what to do with this information...
:D J.J.
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thanks again jj,
though having gone to the site i havent got a flippin clue what im doing ha! ha! told you IATT :-[
maybe i should email them and see what they say.
will let you know
hugs
krissy
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You can post a question here, and they talk about stuff in their live chat...
http://www5.oclc.org/questionpoint/LACA/LACA_EN.htm
Maybe you could ask how to get the file sent...or if it even will contain the information you need in the first place...J.J.
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jj as always your a star :-*
will give it a go and see what happens and get back to you
krissy ;)
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Hello Krissy. Going to post your other thread with attestation papers: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=36759.0
I imagine you sent for his digitized files as did I for mine...Now free of charge, lucky new searchers!!!!
I see he sailed back Oct 23rd or wait, was it Sept. 30th, altho the 3 other Brantford boys he was to return with, ( see news url) appeared to have returned before Oct 21??? It appears both dates are useless as he was already in Spadina Military Hospital Oct 19
He surely had a case of shell-shock after being unconscious for 8 hrs. I am sad that there was no follow-up after his return home! Perhaps because of the early discharge.
Digitized files- CEF Archives: http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B4803-S036
Newspaper: http://www.doingourbit.ca/profile/edward-wreaks
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Interesting... I do see a Fred Jefferys on the 1921 census
Marital Status: Married Age:25 Birth Year: abt 1896 England Year of Immigration: 1910
Province: Ontario District: Toronto East District Number: 131 , Ward 1 Sub-District 2
Street: 771 1/2 Queen St E , Occupation: "Mechanic" Income: 1500
Free to view on Ancestry with a sign in....
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I see you have been on another genealogy message board as well...will add that url:
https://www.ancestry.com/boards/localities.northam.canada.ontario.toronto/4978/mb.ashx
FREDERICK GEORGE NICHOLAS JEFFERIS Born June 27 1895, Bristol England
1910/11 arrived Canada - Barely a teenager
1911 Not found in census
1914 at signup - Lives 43 ( or 30? ) High Street Brantford, Ontario Machinist/Labourer
1915 Wounded on several different dates
1916 Discharge from active service stamped Bath Eng.Sept. 9, 1916
1916 Oct 19 - Spadina Military Hospital to recover
1917 Officially discharged: Toronto, Jan 8th
1921 census May have been spotted with a wife, Ada, 771 1/2 Queen St E, Toronto
? return to U.K. for visit-
1930 Return to Canada ?? lives Major St, Toronto. A brother, but no wife mentioned?
cannot find 1910 nor 1911 entry into Canada...saw this one
Frederick Jefferies Male age 19 BIRTH 1894 DEPARTURE : 26/07/1913 PORT : Bristol England
DESTINATION PORT: Quebec Canada SHIP NAME: Royal Edward / Royal Line
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Hi everyone , Thankyou for this jeany x the man is so elusive it’s crazy !!! Yes to the records I did get that far ha ha , but after that nothing ! The one on the 1921 census I did see but he came back to bristol in 1930 (no wife as far as I was told ) but anything is possible with him !!! Even found what could have been him in sascachewen as a fireman ?? The variations on the surname spelling is causing me a headache , Well several actually ggrrr!! I can find no marriage or death there is another Fred Jefferis but he’s older and poss an uncle ?? This one married an Ada but don’t think he’s my Fred , i did think
Maybe he returned at a later date but as yet found nothing !! It’s interesting that you found a Nicholas in his name that’s the first I’ve seen that it’s usually just Fred g Jefferis but I do know his grandfather was Nicholas. Maybe he stayed single as you pointed out he did suffer after the war with shell shock so maybe had many issues with this , his parents had both passed by 1930 so would he have stayed or returned to Canada , I’m chasing records in a place called congresbury in Somerset as this would have been the most likely place he would have stayed if he remained but I’m sure he returned to Toronto and so far nothing !!!
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I can see deaths for all the other earlier male siblings, Walter, Wm#1, Albert & Thomas...all registered Barton Regis district as were most births....so that ends the theory that a brother may have been in another family's home at census. Perhaps Fred was going to a brother-in-law in 1930? I have not seen the ship's records. I see no divorce if he was that Fred married to Ada, 1921, but truthfully, it wasn't enforced enough back then to make people take it all that seriously. People would just split or even go so far as to remarry without one. KarenM & my husband can vouch for that as their grandfathers did just that! That cold and heartless war made some very sad people, looking for some happiness they might never find.
Well, Krissy, other than looking in newspapers....unlikely if there were no children to write an obit... or being lucky with find-a-grave one day, I think that we have to let this one go. We'll likely not outlive Canada's privacy laws, and one must leave a footprint in order to find one. He likely didn't keep contact with veterans affairs or the Legion, as his death would have been recorded somewhere near the end of his paperwork. You've actually found more than most. My husband paid for a whole lot of blank papers when he got my grandfather's info as a gift several years ago. Also wounded in 1915, changed over to a Scottish regiment & most info was destroyed in ww2, so I have nothing after that, and he served to 1914 - 1919
all the best, J.J.
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I found a full length of the replies given to you on the other message board which should have been added onto here by you, Krissy. I see you double requested on there as there are multiple posts with similar answers.
Person: Frederick JEFFERIS Outgoing Occupation: a Buyer aged 33
Date of departure: 19 April 1930 from Poplar Farm, Corgresbury, Nr. Bristol
Ticket No. TC743 Port of departure: Southampton Destination port: Montreal
Destination country: Canada Ship: CALGARIC
Um...This one clearly used his full middle name, & FreeBmd has Frederick George N Jefferis
Frederick George Jefferis Age: 33 abt 1897 Birth Country: England Date of Arrival: 28 Apr 1930 Vessel: Calgaric Arrival: Montreal, Que Port Departure: Southampton, England Roll: T-14762
I read your post again, and don't see how the Fred with Ada is too old, nor how he can be discounted for no reason whatsoever? I enjoy a search, but jeepers....
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Hi kJ think you may be right to let it go I’ve just read all the post , Thankyou anyway for trying I do appreciate it many thanks xx