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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Warwickshire => England => Warwickshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: dinkey on Wednesday 24 January 07 17:26 GMT (UK)
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I am helping my mother's cousin find her Robinson ancestors from Birmingham.
I have the following information so far.
John Robinson born Halesowen 1794 who married a Sarah born Halesowen 1795, children were
Samuel born 1819
Eliza born 1822 Aston
Rebecca born 1824 Aston
Thomas born 1827 Aston
Elizabeth born 1829 Aston
John 1837 Aston
According to the 1851 census their address was 63 Ashton Rd Aston and John was age 58 gun rod forger
I wondered whether anyone can find the baptisms of John & Sarah's children. I would like to know Sarah's maiden name so that I can look for their marriage.
Are you able to help?
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Hello Dinkey
Found this marriage:
John Robinson=Sarah Devenport/21/6/1818/Aston Juxta.
Also in this parish are 2 births for a John & Sarah but not yours,so I don't know if this is your couple.
The closest birth is this:
John Robinson/b.12/2/1837/ch.28/10/1839/St.Philps.
Searched there for the others but not there.I did find 2 more births for a John & Sarah but again not yours.
You need more info. for this couple ie. siblings so any marriage you find can be checked for others family members.
As the other children don't seem to appear anywhere I wonder if they were non-conformist.
Regards Jim
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There is a birth on freeBMD for Sept quarter 1837 - John Robinson Aston. Searching the 1851 census only brings your John up for a similar search. It may be worth trying that birth certificate.
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Hi jim1
Thank you for that lookup.
Can you remember whether on the baptism record you found of John Robinson born 12/02/1837 it showed father's occupation and address, that might help me to determine whether it would be the correct family.
I found the family in the 1841 census at address Palmer Street Aston where John was a gun rod forger. Is St Philips the most likeley place or do you know of any other church where the children may have been baptised.
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hi heywood
Thankyou also for looking at the free BMD and finding the birth of John Robinson in Sept quarter 1837.
Now I am in a quandry, if he is the same John that jim1 found born in February then would the registration have taken place in September nearly 7 months later.
As I am not doing the research for myself but an elderly lady I do not want to be ordering a wrong certificate. She is descended from Samuel Robinson born 1819 so before civil registration.
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no you're right to be cautious- the record on IGi does show that birth and christening record and that it comes from local records so presumably that is what the church record says St Philips Birmingham. It just shows John and Sarah as parents.
There is also one born 1838 - parents John and Sarah baptised St Martins, Birmingham.
As Jim says there are no more. I was also thinking that there is such a gap between the other children and John that Sarah might be a second marriage- sorry to add another problem.
Kath
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Hello Both
I had the same thought as Kath that Sarah might be a second wife.With regards the birth reg. I believe a parent had up to 2 years to register at that time.
Will keep looking.
Regards Jim
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Here they are:
Christenings:Smethwick Staffs.
Samuel/22/10/1820
Eliza/3/8/1823
Rebecca/22/5/1825
Thomas/16/3/1828
Elizabeth//30/5/1830
Parents:
John & Sarah
John Jnr. not there so I suspect he is the one I gave you earlier.
The marriages for Smethwick are not listed on IGI,but they may not have married there anyway.
Still Looking.
Regards Jim
I believe the Church was St.Mary's but not sure.
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There were 2:
Smethwick Old Church & Holy Trinity.
Jim
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Hi Jim
Well I am really impressed with you. I would not have thought their baptisms would have been in Staffordshire. I had looked on the IGI but was concentrating on either Worcester where John and Sarah were from and Aston in Warwickshire where the 1851 census shows where the children were born.
I have noticed on the IGI that their was a marriage in Kidderminster 21 NOV 1819 of a John Robinson & Sarah Hill, could that be a possible?
Perhaps I should post to the Staffordshire boar for a lookup of their baptisms and hopefully this will give me Sarah's maden name.
Can't thank you enough.
dinkey
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I found a few John Robinson marriages to Sarah in Staffs.Needs more research.
Jim
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Found this christening
John Robinson/8/12/1793/Fa.Samuel/Ma.Mary/Smethwick
Jim
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Just to correct your 1851 address:63 Ashted Row,Duddeston & Nechells.
In 1861 John is dead and Sarah is with son Thomas & Dau. Elizabeth & family.
I've not found a birth for John in Halesowen.
Jim
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Thanks for putting me right on the 1851 address.
I am not sure of the baptism you found for John snr 1793 in Smethwick. Perhaps I should try and get more details from the Smethwick records for the children's baptisms and work back from that.
I will post on the Stafford board and see if anyone can help me out.
Thanks for sticking with me so far.
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We can't be sure of anything at this point.As John's children were born post 1813 the entry will give father's occupation and address but you will need to view the register for this.I don't see what else you expect to gain as you already know his occupation.
The evidence we can expect is only going to be circumstantial at best that's why I thought John's birth in Smethwick and the father with the same name as John's eldest son was about as good as it gets.
Good Luck
Jim