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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Completed Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Scouse on Wednesday 24 January 07 18:37 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Alfred Smith D.O.B. 1820 L/pool.
Eliza Hickey D.O.B. 1821 Ireland
1839
Alfred Smith married Eliza Hickey Shipwright
St Nicholas Church L/pool.
They had 3 children, the last being born 1847.
1851 census Greenland St L/pool
Alfred Smith, age 31 yrs Widower, Lodger. Shipwright
1851 census Higher Bebington Cheshire.
The 3 Children are staying with their Grandparents.
1861 census 24 Dalrymple St L/pool
Alfred Smith head age 41 yrs Shipwright
Elizabeth Smith Wife age 30 yrs
William Smith Son age 2 yrs.
Any help in tracing the second marriage greatly appreciated.
Elizabeth's maiden name would fill in the holes in my tree.
I have tried the usual avenues, ie L.D.S. I.G.I. but without success.
KInd regards Scouse
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Smith is always a difficult one. I should write to the local register office in Liverpool (or wherever it says William was born) and ask them to look for the birth of William as you know an approximate date. Specify that he must be a son of Alfred, a shipwright, and that should be enough to make sure you get the right one. Check on later census and make sure his age stays within that range . Once you have that certificate you will have Elizabeth's maiden name and can look for the marriage. The local office do not usually charge for a search of five years or so. All BMDs are free to search on ancestry.co.uk, choose the full version.
Andrea
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HI Andrea
Thank you for the advice, I will certainly follow up on your tips,
I feel quite a dope now, I was home in L/pool last week for a couple of day's and actually visited the Records Office on a different matter, it just goes to show that you should check all your reseach before you set off. but sometimes things are as clear as mud.
and yes the ages do stay the same up till 1881
Kind Regards Scouse. :)
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I don't know whether this is of any use but I searched the 1861 Lancs for all Alfred Smith's with a wife Elizabeth - only yours turned up. In fact - nationally - there were only 30 entries
There is an 1854 (March qtr) marriage on freebmd for Alfred Smith & Elizabeth Harrison Liverpool 8B 129 but I would have thought they would have had more children than William by 1861
Did William die pre-1871 as they have Elizabeth 7 Alfred 5 Joseph James 2 and Amy Jane 5 ?? months in 1871. The age in the column is 5 but then MO has been written in the occupation section
No birth in either the December qtr 1870 or March qtr 1871 for an Amy Jane Smith but it may be easier looking for her birth than William's
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Hi Carole.
Regarding the 1871, I have the same info as you.
Do you know that I have had that 1854 marriage for about a yr now, but I was of the same opinion as you that they maybe would of had some kids before William, I think you may have a point regarding his demise though.
The reason I kept the Elizabeth Harrison 1854 marriage,was that my Grandfather who was born in 1886, was the son of young Alfred Born 1866, and my grandfathers name was James Harrison Smith, some coincidence.
Thank you for your help.
Kind Regards Scouse :)
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Hi
There is no birth for an Amy Jane Smith in Liverpool 1865 or 1866 - full GRO index checked
She does not appear with the family in 1881 either
have another look at the 1871 image and think of ANN Jane - see IGI entry below
Ann Jane Smith
Christening: 11 DEC 1870 St Mary's, Kirkdale
Father: Alfred Smith Mother: Elizabeth Smith
GRO index shows Ann Jane Smith December qtr 1870 West Derby 8B 351 but as a precaution, I would put a condition on your application that you only want it if parents were Alfred & Elizabeth
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Hi Carole.
Using the same criteria, that you and Andrea have suggested, ie> asking for the father & mothers names before getting a copy of Birth Cert, can I use the same system for the 1854 marriage, asking for Alfreds Occupation on the Cert, if I can, and he turns out to be a Shipwright, that would be the clincher.
What do you advise, Kind Regards Scouse.
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I think that as long as you use the local office you can ask for any check and they will not charge extra. The GRO have a set form with space for checking criteria but they do charge.
Andrea
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Hi Andrea.
Thank you for your reply, I am going to have to leave it till tomorrow now, I will send them an E mail, the dealings I have had with the Liverpool record office, they have always been very helpful.
Kind Regards Scouse.
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Hi
I personally would be inclined to get the daughters birth cert first to check mothers maiden name before I sent for the marriage cert
Do you know Alfred's fathers name? If so - you could put that condition on the marriage cert request that you only want it if groom's fathers name was ????
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Hi Carole.
Thanks for your last message, I'm going to sort something out over the week-end, and do an up-date later on.
Kind Regards Scouse.
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Hi Carole & Andrea.
Thought about what you had advised, and decided to take a chance this morning, and E mail Liverpool Records Office, I explained that I wanted a copy of the Marriage Cert 1854 Alfred Smith & Elizabeth Harrison, but because of the number of Smiths around at that time, I needed some verification as to Alfreds occupation, well when I got in to-night, there it was with compliments SHIPWRIGHT.
So I am going to send for the Cert, and I can't thank you enough for your guidance. couldn't have done it without you.
Kindest Regards Scouse ;D
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Hi
Really glad we were able to help. Thank goodness his christian name was Alfred and not John - a lot less of them around
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Hi Carole.
That was the second marriage, completed
The eldest son of the first marriage was born in 1847, between then and 1851, his mother Eliza Smith nee Hickey Died,
I have researched Ancestry from 1847 - 1851, for her death and have come up with only 4 possibilities, all 1847, none after that
Eliza Smith Oct Qtr. 20 page 495
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I will post a look up on the the look up offers site, widowers name Alfred Smith, what do you think.
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Hi
Was their son born in the October quarter - possible death in childbirth?
I have sent you a pm