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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Armagh => Topic started by: RosemaryJoan on Friday 26 January 07 13:39 GMT (UK)
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Anyone researching this name?
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Trying to find information on Livingston family that lived in Newry.
Hamilton Jardine Livingston, son of James Livingston, married 1884 Victoria Hall and had: Albert Hamilton "Bertie" (c1893-1916), J. Ernest L., Hall N., & possbly Robert W. H., David C.H., Irene, Honor, Victoria, Beatrice.
1884 Hamilton Jardine Livingston was an agent, by 1914 was living in England. 1916- London.
If any of these names ring a bell please get in touch.
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Dear Aghadowey, I can only find these people and there seems to be a similarity in the use of Hamilton and Dawson
Dawson Levingston (note the e) born 29 January 1871 to James Levingston and Jane Dawson Lurgan Civil District, Sub District, Waringstown, Co. Down.
Dawson Hamilton Livingston married Sarah McCullough on 9 March 1901 in Shankhill C of I, Lurgan
I see Hamilton Jardine and Victoria Hall were married in Aghadowey on 19/2/84. Is any of this relevant?
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P.S. Just found another child for James Levingston and Jane Dawson:
James born on 3 April 1876, Co. Down. None of these are mine! Rosemary
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Rosemary- thanks for looking.
I have the Hall-Livingston marriage already. Groom is listed as agent, Newry. Gives his father as James Livingston farmer so I'm not sure exactly where the Livingstons were from originally. The Livingston children spent lots of time in Aghadowey growing up and even attended the local school. Bertie Livingston was killed in the War. Last word anyone rec'd from him was a postcard to my mother-in-law (she was 5 at the time).
Will also check under Levingston from now on just in case they used that spelling.
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Just found Hamilton Livingston, age 55, a quaker, living in High Street Lurgan in the 1901 census. He was a caretaker (?) and seemed to have 9 people living in the house. Would he be yours? Rosemary
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Rosemary- Hamilton Livingston- age 55 seems about right (wife born c1855 so she was about 46 in 1901), caretaker- earlier was a clerk but still possible, Quaker- still possible, 9 people in house- yes, they had lots of children.
Do you have the 1901 census for Lurgan? I can look up County Derry and most of Antrim in Ballymena but am unable to get a day in PRONI at the moment.
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Sorry I can't. I live in Southampton - but Family Ulster will do it for £5 and send you the transcript. I have just found my great grandfather in Lurgan (from Lurgan Ancestry!). This is where I found Hamilton. See my other message on the board. Regards, Rosemary
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Rosemary- thanks for the Lurgan link. Will put it on my list for PRONI.
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Rosemary- found a bit on Internet about Hamilton Livingston the Quaker and it seems certain that he is not the Hamilton Jardine Livingston that I'm looking for. THanks for your help.
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Rosemary- was an obituary in newspaper recently for a Livingstone in Portadown. If you want, I'll send it to you.
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Yes Please, it might be one of mine. Rosemary
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Do you have all this Rosemary?
I have a book 'Lurgan 1901' with heads of Houses from the census.
In Hill St 1 there are
Richard Livingstone age 40, religion Irish Church, general labourer, 7 in the house
Richard Henry Livingston, 52, COI, Grocer, 6 in house
Jemima Livingston, 40, COI, Over Seamer, 4 in house
Thomas Livingston, 54, So Called Brethren, Milk Vendor, 3 in house
James Livingstone, 37, COI, Cambric Weaver, 2IH
Edward Livingston, 65, COI, Cambric Weaver, 1 IH
John Livingstone, 45, COI, Damask Weaver, 8 IH
No McLeans
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Sunnyhill, Thanks for those. I don't think they are mine but I shall keep them on file. Regards, Rosemary
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Hi there Rosemary Joan, and Aghadowey....
My grt grt Grandmother was a Rachel Livingston, b. 1849 her father was Malcolm Livingston...have found Rachel married Robert Thompson 5 May 1869, at Derrymore....I am led to believe that the border between County Armagh, & County Londonderry is not that far....Rachel and Robert appeared to have Settled in Limavady, Londonderry.....any advice or info would be gratefully received.
ps. Aghadowey had sent me the 1901 entry from 15 Protestant street, Londonderry with regards to Robert and Rachel...thanking you again
All the Best
Wendy
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Sorry Wendl, I haven't come across a Malcolm Livingston on my travels. It might be worth having a look at Emerald Ancestors. I haven't got a subscription this month, but maybe someone will have a look for you. Is the Derrymore you mention in Co. Armagh? There are probably quite a few townlands of that name so you would need to know the county. Rosemary
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Wendy- first of all, there is no border between Co. Armagh and Co. Derry (Co. Tyrone is in between the two).
Think the church you might be looking for is DERRAMORE Presbyterian Church outside Limavady. Originally called Bolay (or Bolea) and was a united charge with Myroe from 1825 until 1836. There's an old notebook which records baptisms from Aug.1825 and marriages 1827-1838. The church was in the townland of Derramore. Derramore is located to the east of Limavady between the A37 and B201 (Limavady to Coleraine roads).
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hi there...
I thank you for your insight.....grasping at straws with these people and getting no where fast!!! To be honest much more familiar with the Belfast area's than those in Londonderry.....have not had much luck tracing the Livingston(e)'s or the Thompson's...was thinking they may have originated in another area.
Thanks muchly,
Wendy
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hello wendl, i think these are rachel & roberts children.
BIRTH. ELIZABETH THOMPSON 15-11-1871 NEWTOWN, LIMAVADY,CO. DERRY.
BIRTH.UNNAMED MALE THOMPSON 30-1-1874 NEWTOWN, LIMAVADY, CO.DERRY.
parents. ROBERT THOMPSON & RACHAEL LEVINGSTONE.
regards mary.
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Hi Mary,
I thankyou very much for the information you sent....appreciate it...have had so much success with my maternal side in Belfast, that I just can't stop looking for the Paternal side in Londonderry....I know they are out there somewhere...just a matter of finding where.
Once again, Thankyou for taking time out of your day to assist my search!
All the Best
Wendy
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Sorry Wendl, I haven't come across a Malcolm Livingston on my travels. It might be worth having a look at Emerald Ancestors. I haven't got a subscription this month, but maybe someone will have a look for you. Is the Derrymore you mention in Co. Armagh? There are probably quite a few townlands of that name so you would need to know the county. Rosemary
Sean Ruad's IreAtlas lists eighteen places named Derrymore in Ireland. Apart from one in Donegal the only other one listed is in Co. Antrim ...
Derrymore townland
457 acres
County Antrim
Upper Massereene Barony
Aghagallon Civil Parish
Lurgan Poor Law Union
Province of Ulster
It must be reasonably close to Lough Neagh as there is, or possibly was, someone there who built boats which were used on the Lough. At the Toomebridge end of the Lough there are places in counties Antrim, Armagh, Derry and Tyrone that are fairly close together.
Christopher
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Do you know of any connections from your Livingstone family to County Armagh?
I have a John HAMILTON who married an Elizabeth Mary LIVINGSTONE in Milford, Armagh in 1862. Her father's name was Thomas LIVINGSTON/LEVINGSTON and he was a school master, as were she and John. A John George LIVINGSTONE was witnessed at their wedding and a Jane ECCLES.
Not sure where the family was from or where Eliza Mary was born. Believe she lived in Milford from 1862 until about 1927 when she died. They had nine children, several generations carry the name LIVINGSTONE as a middle name.
J
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Hi Folks,
Aghadowey, I presume you already have the marriage record of Hamilton Jardine Livingstone as you mentioned the date he got married and to who but just in case I found it on a pilot lds site and it took place in the Coleraine Registration district. in the first quarter of 1884 It states on the lds site that it is film no 101254, vol 1, page 487, digital gs number 4179387, image number 00471.
Probably not much help but just in case.
I have Livingston(e)/Levingston(e) in my family too but from the Lurgan and Portadown area.
Aljepeka
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Thanks, aljepeka. I have the marriage which took place in Aghadowey Presbyterian Church (comes under Coleraine Registration District).
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Hi there Rosemary Joan, and Aghadowey....
My grt grt Grandmother was a Rachel Livingston, b. 1849 her father was Malcolm Livingston...have found Rachel married Robert Thompson 5 May 1869, at Derrymore....I am led to believe that the border between County Armagh, & County Londonderry is not that far....Rachel and Robert appeared to have Settled in Limavady, Londonderry.....any advice or info would be gratefully received.
ps. Aghadowey had sent me the 1901 entry from 15 Protestant street, Londonderry with regards to Robert and Rachel...thanking you again
All the Best
Wendy
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hi my great grandfather was robert thompson and my father first cousins are livingston
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Hi Gowan...
We could be related...!!! Robert Thompson is my grt grt Grandfather...he was married to Rachel Livingston, and I believe his first wife may have been an Ellen Livingston....From what I have found...in the 1901 census they lived on Protestant Street, in Limavady...my Grt Grandfather was James Thompson, he immigrated to Canada in 1913. Would love to compare notes with you...
All The Best
Wendy Thompson
Ontario, Canada
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The Livinstones with McLean connection are from Silverwood Brownlows Derry Armagh in the 1901 Census The Isabella (1814-1915) Livingstone was Mc Clean with a father Henry and she married James Livinstone
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My Great great grandmother was Elizabeth Ann Livingston married John Smart in Knocknamuckly Church of Ireland, Seagoe Parish on 25th June, 1858. They both moved to Govan, Scotland between 1871 and 1891. Is Elizabeth any relation to your Livingstones?
Regards
Su Campbell
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Hi Su,
My Livingston/Levingston connection also went to Knocknamuckley C of I. I have not concentrated very much on this twig of my tree yet. I do have a few contact details of a few livingston/Levingston
researchers if you would like their email addresses.
Let me know and I will send you a PM.
Regards, Aljepeka
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That would be great.
Thanks
:)
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Su,
Did you get my pm ok??
Aljepeka
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Hi,
I realise this is a long shot, but I've just come across your last posts here. We are researching the Levingston/Livingstones from the Lurgan area and am wondering if we could get in contact to discuss ideas on how we might go about progressing our search. We are in Australia.
Thanks
Phil
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Welcome to RootsChat, Phil :)
The last reply by aljepeka on this thread was in January 2011, but he/she was online here earlier this month (July).
If you make at least one more post, you can use the PM (Personal Message) system to contact aljepeka and discuss the Levingston/Livingstone families.
Have you used this website IrishGenealogy.ie for your searches? All the BMD records currently on-line there are free, including records for Northern Ireland up to the end of 1921.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
KG
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The Livinstones with McLean connection are from Silverwood Brownlows Derry Armagh in the 1901 Census The Isabella (1814-1915) Livingstone was Mc Clean with a father Henry and she married James Livinstone
Link to 1901 census - Isabella with her son Thomas.
Residents of a house 26 in Silverwood (Brownlows Derry, Armagh).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Brownlows_Derry/Silverwood/1024096/
1911 census - with son James and grandsons.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Brownlows_Derry/Silverwood/335026/
Isabella's death in 1915. The informant was her son Thomas M Livingston.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05262/4459869.pdf
His marriage to Amelia Costello in 1904.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1904/10214/5717839.pdf
Thomas with his wife and children in 1911 census.
Residents of a house 24 in Silverwood (Brownlows Derry, Armagh).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Brownlows_Derry/Silverwood/335025/
KG
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Hi Kitty,
Thank you for the detailed response. I shall have a close look at what you've sent.
Regards
Phil
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1911 census - with son James and grandsons.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Brownlows_Derry/Silverwood/335026/
James with his wife and children in 1901 census.
Residents of a house 2 in Ballydown (Banbridge Rural, Down).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Banbridge_Rural/Ballydown/1202050/
His marriage to Annie Porter in Lisburn in 1892. Both living in Lurgan.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10632/5873651.pdf
Eldest son James born in 1893 at Silverwood.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02308/1865389.pdf
Annie with the rest of the family in 1911 census in Belfast.
Residents of a house 105 in Dunluce Avenue (Windsor, Antrim).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor/Dunluce_Avenue/153376/
Note that Thomas was in the 1911 census in both Belfast and Silverwood (but with different ages).
KG
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James with his wife and children in 1901 census.
Residents of a house 2 in Ballydown (Banbridge Rural, Down).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Banbridge_Rural/Ballydown/1202050/
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Annie with the rest of the family in 1911 census in Belfast.
Residents of a house 105 in Dunluce Avenue (Windsor, Antrim).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor/Dunluce_Avenue/153376/
From that 1901 census:
Livingston George Porter 3 Male
Born 1898 at Silverwood, Lurgan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02099/1799918.pdf
Livingston Thomas Millar 1 Male
Born 1900 at Silverwood, Lurgan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02000/1769301.pdf
From the 1911 census in Dunluce Avenue, Belfast:
Livingston Annie 9 Female
Born 1901 at Hill Street, Lurgan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01926/1746034.pdf
Livingston Henry 5 Male
Born 1906 at 80 Oldpark Road.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01754/1691678.pdf
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Kat, this is tremendous stuff. Thanks for sharing. What I think you've done is offer clues as to the Lurgan/Country Down branches of the Levingston/Livingstone family tree, but we haven't yet settled on a clear image of the trunk. We have closely established the roots (ie, from about 1890s onwards after migration to Australia), but there is a gap between the base of the tree and the limbs.
We have found a William Levingston who managed lands for Lord Lurgan, and believe that all of the Levingstons/Livingstones are from the same family. One of these (John Levingston/Livingstone) made his way to Australia in the 1890s, but from which branch of the family we don't know. Are there shipping records/passenger lists we can access from around this period?
Thank you again for your assistance.
Kind regards
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From PRONI Will Calendars- https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
Full Abstract :
Livingston Thomas Miller of Silverwood county Armagh farmer died 21 May 1956 Administration Belfast 11 July to James Livingston farmer. Effects £8503 16s. 10d. UNADMINISTERED GRANT 6.10.87
GRONI death record - https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
Thomas Livingston 21st May 1956 73 Male Lurgan
Isabella's death in 1915. The informant was her son Thomas M Livingston.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05262/4459869.pdf
Full Abstract :
Probate of the Will of Isabella Livingston late of Silverwood County Armagh Widow who died 4 November 1915 granted at Armagh to Thomas M. Livingston and Ralph Hewitt Farmers Effects £3,205 6s. 11d.
KG
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The Isabella (1814-1915) Livingstone was Mc Clean with a father Henry and she married James Livinstone
For others, the marriage in 1856. According to the minister, Isabella living in the townland of Legacurry (sic). This should be Legaghory - her father Henry farming there in Griffiths Valuation of 1864.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1856/09514/5448557.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/oneilland-east/shankill/lurgan-urban/legaghory/
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qu0/
KG
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Two more Livingston will abstracts, living in Silverwood-
Full Abstract :
The Will of James Livingston late of Annsboro'House Lurgan County Armagh Linen Manufacturer who died 28 March 1886 at same place was proved at Armagh by Isabella Livingston of Silverwood widow of Testator Nelson Ruddell of Aughacommon Farmer and William John Green of Kinnegoe Coal Merchant all in said County the Executors. Effects £10,141 18s. 11d.
Full Abstract :
Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Henry Livingston late of Silverwood County Armagh Farmer who died 23 March 1888 at same place were granted at Armagh to James Livingston of Silverwood Farmer a Brother. Effects £696.
https://www.townlands.ie/armagh/oneilland-east/seagoe/brownlows-derry/silverwood/
KG