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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: BoaMan on Saturday 27 January 07 16:17 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone know what sort of crops the Market Gardeners around Melbourne would have grown in the late 1800's or early 1900's ?
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I suspect that it was probably traditional Vegetables, Fruit and Flowers to supply to the markets in Derby & Nottingham.
I have ancestors who were Market Gardeners in Melbourne - you too?
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I don't know about Nottingham or Derby I know one of them was a regular at Burton Market - I recently found an advert in the paper from November 1893 where he was selling Holly Bushes - he had 4,000 stock of differing sizes.
What family were your Market Gardeners?
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The family were called Horsley. I seem to have a lot of ancestry around that area. The other major family are the Pass's.
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Hi Mick
I have a connection with the Pass family.... although somewhat faint
Mary Pass b1846 Melbourne married Thomas 'Wangups' Jackson of Melbourne
Thomas was the son of my Gt Gt Gt Grandfather's elder brother.
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Mary was the Daughter of Samuel Pass (B 1817 Melbourne). Ive been trying to link him to my tree for a while. :)
My Horsley ancestors are descended from the illegitimate son of Sarah Ann Pass also born 1846 in Melbourne. He was called John Pass until later in life when he took the name John Horsley Pass and then quietly dropped the Pass later.
Sarah was a maid for the Horsley family so my working theory is that one of the Horsley's was the father.
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Hi MickMac
I just replied to another thread then re-discovered this one... I didn't realise we'd already spoke about the Pass connection but also didn't make the connection with the Horslet family - My Gt GT Gt Grandmother was Millicent Horsley daughter of James Horsley c1780
Do you have much information on the Horsley family? - is Millicent amongst them?
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Hi BoaMan
I'm currently on holiday o I can't check my tree. I'll reply properly when I return.
I have a lot of Horsley stuff.
Mick
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Millicent Horsley is the daughter of James & Ann Horsley. Married Robert Sutton in 1821. The problem I have is linking James Horsley into the Tree. I have a James Horsley who may be his father if he was born around 1782, but I havent been able to establish this link. The earlier James was married to a Mary Pass by the way! :D
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Hello,
I am researching the Jacksons, Market Gardeners from Melbourne. Any help would be appreciated.
Many thanks.
Sue
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There is a Thomas Jackson Born 1845 who was a gardener in 1891. He seems to have been widowed however he has the following children: Agnes, Arthur, Clara ,Elizabeth, Ernest, Joseph, Margaret, Phillip, Samuel, Selina and Thomas Jnr.
Any help?
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I have quite a bit of info on Thomas Jackson - he was known as 'Wangups ' Jackson... he was the nephew of Moses Jackson b1826 (son of elder brother Joseph and Emma Dallman (another well known Melbourne family))
I have several photos of this section of the family and snippets of information.
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Hi
Many thanks for your replies MickMac and BoaMan. I would be interested in the information and the photos you have.
Regards
Sue
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Hi,
Interesting to see others with links to melbourne market Gardeners - my G G Grandfather is listed as one - with the surname Hall ( typically I get the uncommon name to research!!)
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Sorry I haven't replied sooner - I've been really busy...
very busy at work - a son doing History Projects which means Dad is the main source of information and also doing lots of stuff for the Magic Attic... we were at the Family History Fair at Chesterfield last Saturday and tomorrow we are at the Arboretum... then the school I work at are doing a big project on Remembrance with War Memorial visits and research trips etc... roll on Christmas - I might get back to my own family :D
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Hi everyone
Some of my ancestors were also Market Gardeners in Melbourne. My G.G.Grandmother Beardsley owned a Garden in Cockshute Lane and I may have links with the Jackson family as in 1882 Maria Beardsley married Harry Jackson, son of Edmund Jackson who was also a Market Gardener.
My mother says they grew most veg. inc. celery. As a young girl she said the smell in the tying houses was lovely and bunches of spring onions, radishes etc. were tied with raffia. Her Grandmother, Mary Beardsley, was said to be the fastest bunch tier in Melbourne!!! Another Beardsley had a Market Garden in Bolton Lane, Derby.
Don't know if this is of any help.
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You're so lucky to have family info and memories being passed on like that - I'm really jealous as I seem to have drawn a blank on my lot completely.
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Hi
thanks for the info - was that Harry Jackson b1865 son of Edmund b1834?
He also had a son Edmund b1870 but I have no more info on him.
I found a wondeful picture in a 1930's Burton Observer the other day - It is a Market Gardener in Melbourne picking Strawberrys - I'm sure it said he was well known and had worked on the land for over 40 years but it didn't name him :(
I'm going to scan it tomorrow - hopefully - I'll post it on here and maybe someone might recognise him.
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Hi Boaman
Yes, my Harry Jackson (born about 1865) was the son of Edmund Jackson (born about 1835). Harry's brother was also Edmund (born about 1871). I assume you have found the family in the 1881 Census - I found them on familysearch - they lived in North Street. Just in passing, my Great Uncle Bill Beardsley married an Ada Jackson - any relative???
My main interest is in the Beardsley and Briers families but will keep you informed of any more connections.
How do you get the list of names to appear at the bottom of your postings??? I'm pretty new at using rootschat so some of it is still a mystery!!!
Regards
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Hi Miggins
I have Edmund's DOB as 05/05/1834 - don't recall how I came across it - I really should list all my references... I don't have anything for Harry other than census info so it's a guess.
I've not got an Ada Jackson in my tree but she could come off one of the branches I've not researched... only last week I found out my Gt Gt Grandfather had a 3rd wife and 8 more kids ! - just when you think you are reaching the rend of the line :) If only.
Do you have a second wife for Edmund? - I was told that Edmund married Fanny Hulse in 1880, she had a son, William Hulse aged 12 in the 1881 census. They were living in North Street/ Alma Street.
To add names to the bottom of your postings - First click on your name in the posting above or click on the grey profile button across the top of the page - that will take you to your profile page. Then on the left under Modify Profile click on the Roots Chat Profile Information - you can select a picture add your location etc and there is a section to add names and places you are researching.
regards
Boaman
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Hi Boaman
Thanks for your reply. Will get back to you soon with some sketchy info. regarding the Hulse connection as I think there are some Hulses in our ancestory!!!
It's a small world eh?!!!
Regards
Miggens
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Hi Boaman
Sorry, I don't have any more info. regarding Edmund's possible second marriage to Fanny Hulse. However, Mum seems to think that we have a Hulse connection possibly through a marriage between James Hulse b. 1868'ish and Edith Collyer in 1893. James' parents were James Hulse b. 1836'ish and Jemima Hulse b. 1836'ish. The family lived in Church Street.
I don't know if you know Melbourne at all but there are two Hulse's on the War Memorial - Sydney Hulse son of Harry and Annie Hulse of Church Street and Ernest Hulse son of William and Harriet Hulse. Sydney was mentioned in the newspapers as being wounded on the last day of WWI - he died on 12th Nov. 1918 and is buried in Cairo War Memorial Cemetery.
Will contact you if I find anything more about the Jacksons.
Thanks for your assistance with adding names to my profile.
Good hunting,
Regards, Miggens
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I am related to seemingly a whole host of Market Gardeners from Melbourne, namely Smith, Tilson, Winfield and Horsley amongst others.
My g g aunt, I am told, sold fruit and veg and also 'straw products' (hats etc which she had hand made herself.
I am a descendant of William Horsley and his wife Sarah Sutton who owned a few businesses around Melbourne in the mid 1800s.
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What datesd do you have for your Sarah Sutton?
I have a Sarah Sutton in my tree but no details on her husband.
I also have a James Horsley and daughter Millicent - she married into the Sutton family.
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I think we may be linked to the same family! I have a Millicent (baptised 1802 and married a Robert Sutton in 1823) in my line. She was indeed the daughter of James Horsley, and brother of my ggg grandfather, William (baptised 1792, married Sarah Sutton (no dates known))
Would be grateful if we could exchange knowledge!!
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Hi
yes that's a definate match with me - I have Millicent b c1802 - d 1861 married to Robert Sutton in 1823
Do you have her as the daugther of James Horsley and Ann Brooks?
Robert Sutton was my Gt Gt Gt Grandfather
I actually have two Sarah Suttons one was born c1831 the daughter of Thomas Sutton and Elizabeth Bradley...
The other is Thomas' elder sister she was born 1796 in Hartshorne - this could be a match...
regards
Glyn
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I am 99% positive that it is a match! In the book written by Richard Osborne, he states that he could not find Sarah's maiden name (I found this by sending for the birth cert of their youngest son, luckily born after registration!) but he also states that she came from Hartshorne, though he has her date of birth as 1793-1795 based on census research. Accounting for census errors etc, this would still be within the realms of probability.
Nice to be in touch cousin ;D ;D ;D
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Hi
Sarah was baptised on 11/12/1796 at St Peter's Church - I know most chldren were baptised as soon as possible but there are the odd few that were not baptised until they were a couple of years old. So her actual dob could be a bit earlier... I'll see if I can find anything.
Glyn
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Hi Again
Curiosity more than anything - but I have just 'found' one of my Smith ancesters on the 1911 census and he is at that time boarding with a family called Sutton, though they have their place of birth as Woodville, which is not a million miles away from Melbourne/Hartshorn etc. Do you have any rels who came from there and who may have ended up in Shirebrook, Notts?
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Hi
I don't think I have any family that moved out that way... you never know though - it only takes one!
How did you get on with the 1911 census? - I thought it would work out very expensive with the credit system - I'm waiting for Ancestry to host it... I looked for several people on the initial search and found none... then I looked for my wife's family and found about 7 or 8 men with the same details - It would have cost me loads just to narrow down to the right one.
What was the name of the Sutton from Woodville? - Again by that time you might find one of the branches has moved out a bit - even if it is only 'next door' ;D
Glyn
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Hi earnestly searching
I notice in your names list that you are researching the Dawson's of Melbourne. My Gt. Grandmother was Sarah Ann Briers (nee Dawson) she was born on 1/4/1875 and lived in Marples Yard, Melbourne. Her father was William Dawson and his father was George Dawson. Do they have any connection to you?
Regards, miggens
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Looks like....
Alfred Sutton aged 45 (coal miner) born Linton Derbyshire
Hannah Sutton aged 40 born Woodville
Ernest Sutton aged 15 (butcher's assistant) born Woodville
William (at school) born Woodville
Winifred aged 2, born Shirebrook
I know what you mean, it is expensive, running about 3.50 for a copy of original transcript. Only bought one 'dud' out of 6 though and that was my fault - assuming my maternal family had always lived at one address when (I now know!) they didn't. I won't be buying any more now tho, and like you for my lesser searches i will wait until it becomes available on ancestry.
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Hi
I think we may have a link here.
My paternal line includes my ggg grandmother who was Frances (known as Fanny) Dawson. In the 1861 census she had her Neice, also Fanny, residing with them - is this one of your relatives also?
Later on, in the 1891 census, my gg grandfather, John Smith, was residing with his cousin William who lived in Marples Yard (though he is classified as a 'boarder').
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Hi Miggins
I don't remember if we've already discussed this -
I have quite a complicated little Dawson tree as part of one of my branches - They are not really anything to do with my family - there is a marriage between Arthur Dawson and Clara Jackson but Clara is not in my direct line, just a sideline.
William Dawson's father George who you mention was married 3 times I believe, William's mother was Sarah Joines and Arthur's mother was Mary Langridge.
I don't have much info on them - just what's been passed to me.
Glyn
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ernestly searching
the last Sutton in my tree is 1870 - I've only researched back and not come foreward yet so I don't know if these people in the census are connected - I guess there could be a good chance.
Glyn
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HiYall
Some of my Tivey's were also Market Gardeners in Melbourne = Seems a popular profession!.
For anyone that is interested I have transcribed 6 Trade directories on my website - see http://www.tiveyfamilytree.com/ then click on TRADE DIRECTORIES.
My Tivey's also have connections to the families mentioned here. Selina Horsley was the mother of Edwin Snape who married my rellie Clara Tivey. There are quite a few Jackson connections. A Jane Pass married an Edwin Tivey | there are a few more Pass Family links! :-* Including a Will of Emma Tivey who mentions her Pass half brothers and sisters see -
http://www.tiveyfamilytree.com/1900EmmaWill.htm
I also have the Monumental Inscriptions for Melbourne Pack Horse Rd Cemetery, If anyone needs a look up - just ask. 8)
Best of Luck :-*
Cheers
Jan
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Hi Jan
sounds interesting - do you have inscriptions for the Jacksons - I believe there are quite a few...
I keep saying I'm going to take a trip to look around myself - but maybe at Easter when it gets a bit warmer.
I have come into contact with a Jackson relation of mine - I think she has Tivey's in her tree. I'll ask her on Thursday when I see her next.
Where are you located now?
Market Gardening was one of Melbourne's main 'industries' It is still a concern but now with tractors and machinery etc I think the number of men involved is alot less.
speak to you soon
Glyn
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Hi Glyn
Yes There are some Jackson's in the MI's do you want me to list them all or is there anyone in particular?
I am in Lancashire about 2 hours drive from Melbourne ~ we have visited a few times ~ luvly place ~ I would love to live there!
Cheers :-*
Jan
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Hi again Glyn
Could you kindly let me have details of your Sutton line with particular interest to Sarah who married William Horsley please?
Ernest
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Hi Ernest
I'll do my best - hope it makes sense - I don't have any evidence of my Sarah Sutton's marrying - I think we discussed earlier in the thread that it could possibly match but not 100% sure... anyway...
My Gt Grandmother was Mary Ann Sutton 1852 - 1931 of Hartshorne she married William Bloor 1851 - 1926 also of Hartshorne.
They had 15 children that I am aware of (I would hope there weren't any more for her sake)
Mary Ann's parents were
Thomas Sutton b 1823 Hartshorne and
Martha Wallis 1822 - 1890 Hartshorne
they had 3 girls that I know of
Hannah 1845 - 1916
Harriett 1847 - 1859
and Mary Ann
Thomas' parents were
Robert Sutton 1801 - 1882 Hartshorne and
Millicent Horsley c1801 - 1861 Melbourne
they had 6 children that I know of
Thomas
William b 1827
James b c1829
George b 1830
Mary Anne b 1833
Henry b 1838
Robert's parents were
George Sutton c1771 - 1826
Mary Cox c1770 - 1810
Millicent's parents were
James Horsley c1780 and
Ann Brooks c1780
If you can add or ammend anything please let me know.
regards
Glyn
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Hi Boaman
Thanks for the info. re: George Dawson and two of his wives! His son William, my gg grandfather was born in Marples Yard and married a Mary Underwood. Can also confirm that the Harry Jackson who married Maria Beardsley in 1882 was the son of Edmund Jackson, gardener.
Thanks again for the useful snippets!
Regards, Miggens
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Hello earnestly searching
Thanks for your reply. My research into the Dawson connection is still in its infancy so all contributions gratefully received. I'm not sure where and if Fanny Dawson fits into my family tree but my gg grandfather William Dawson certainly was born and lived in Marples Yard. He married a Mary Underwood (dates to be ascertained) and his father was George Dawson. Boa Man informs me that he married three times! Lots to keep us going.
Thanks again.
Regards, Miggens
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Hi Miggins
My info is courtesy of a cousin who has extensively researched the Smith tree. She tells me that Frances Dawson born c1810 (who married John Smith) was the sister of George Dawson. George also had a daughter, Fanny, who was born in 1846 and lived with John and Fanny for a while. My cousin was previously in touch with a chap who also informed her that George married at least twice, and it went into legend that his second wife did not want anything to do with his first wife's children, hence Fanny living with her aunt (my ggg grandmother!).
This is only an assumption, but it sort of makes sense that John Smith junior should 'board' with his cousin William when things started to go bad for him (John Smith, not William!). Interesting stuff anyway!!
Ernest
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Hello again, earnestly searching
Thanks for the extra information regarding the Dawson's. I will add it to my research. I'll speak to my mother to see if she knows anymore about the family.
I did a virtual 'walk' around Melbourne on the IGI 1881 Census and found Dawsons' living at Blanchcroft, Chambers Row, Marples Yard - Wm. Dawson (39) with wife Mary nee Underwood (31) (these are my relatives). an Edward Dawson (65) and wife Mary (70) at Marples Yard, a William Dawson (69) and wife Hannah (71) at Timberhill. In Castle Street there was a Thomas Dawson (64) and living in New York, Hastings Street a Thomas Dawson (44) with wife Susan nee ?Greenwood (40). Locally, New York was known as The Nuke (not sure of the spelling!)
Don't know if this of any use to you but thanks again for your help.
Regards, Miggens
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Hi Miggins
It looks as if it is the same family. In 1891 census the following family are residing in Marples Yard:
William Dawson 45 (Gardeners labourer)
Mary Dawson 44
William Dawson 18
Sarah Dawson 16
Fanny Dawson 13
George Dawson 11
Ada Dawson 8
Thomas Dawson 4
John Smith 53 (this being the chap I mentioned earlier)
In 1851 the above mentioned William was living with his Uncle (Thomas - another brother of Fanny) which would fit the info regarding George's second wife not wanting his children from his first marriage, who would be Fanny junior, (living with Smiths) and William.
The good news is that it looks as if George's third wife (? Mary - one of his wives - presumeably Fanny and William's mother was Dorothy) was reconciled with at least one of his children by 1861 as young Fanny was back living with them, age 15. We don't have an address for William in 1861 or 1871. As you say, he turns up again in 1881 living in Marples Yard with his wife and (? stepson).
Hope this helps
Ernest
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Hi Guys
I'm a bit confused as the dates I have don't tally - your message mentions the 1891 census but...
according to the info I was given he married Mary (Langridge) 07/04/1861
and they had 4 children
Emily, Edward, George and Arthur
I was told William and Fanny's mother was Sarah Joines and that Dorothy (Bowler) didn't have any children but according to what you have mentioned above there are other children
Sarah, Ada and Thomas
As Sarah comes between William and Fanny we should be safe to assume that her mother is also Sarah Joines - If what I was told is correct.
Ada and Thomas come after George so they would be from Mary (as I said I also have Arthur born c1870)
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Hi Miggins
You are correct (if I had read all of what my cousin sent me instead of missing a page I would have realised!).
Dorothy Dawson died in 1860.
The 1901 census reads as follows:
William Dawson 53
Mary Dawson 51
George Dawson 20
Ada Dawson 18
Thomas Dawson 14
Mary Underwood 8
The family are still residing in Marples Yard at this point. Which of these offspring are you descended from?
Ernest
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Hi BoaMan and ernestly searching
I've done some quick research into the Dawson's and it appears to run as follows (this info. from freebmd):-
George Dawson m. Sarah Joins - Registered Shardlow Sept. 1843 Vol.19 page 451.
2nd marriage to Dorothy Bowler - Registered Shardlow Sept. 1850 Vol. 19 page 629
3rd marriage to Mary Ann Langridge - Registered Shardlow June 1861 Vol.7b page 541.
George and Sarah had William Dawson (my gggf) and from the latest info. from earnestly searching they also had Fanny.
William Dawson (my gggf) married Mary Underwood 16th Oct. 1871. Their children were:-
William b. abt. 1874
Sarah Ann b. abt. 1876 (my ggm) m. Saurin Thoms Briers
Fanny b. abt. 1878
George b. abt. 1880
Ada b. abt. 1883
Thomas b. abt. 1887
On the 1881 Census they had living with them a step-son called Charles Underwood aged 15 (b. abt. 1866) and a step-daughter called Jane Underwood aged 8 (b. abt. 1870/1).
Just in passing the Dawson men were mostly working as Brickyard Labourers. The Brick Kilns were at Derby Hills, Melbourne Common and the Brickyard was at Moira Street.
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Hi Guys sorry I've not done this earlier but been very busy and only got round to scanning this on Saturday - I've not had a chance to clean it up yet but thought I'd post it all the same.
These are cropped from 2 pictures that appeared in the Burton Observer on the 14th July 1932
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The caption reads... THE MELBOURNE STRAWBERRY SEASON is now in full swing, and the rain, which came at the right moment, has resulted in a good crop - although it's a fortnight late. The picture on the left is of a veteran of the gardens. He has been in the strawberry-raising business for 40 years. On the right, pickers are seen at work.
Unfortunately for us - the paper doesn't name any of them - If any of you can identify these 4 gentlemen It would be great - maybe they are members of our families.
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Hi everyone,
I just happened to find your correspondence the other day, so thought I would let you know that there is a Horsley still about. Are there any more male with Horsley surname from our famliy going back to James Horsley and Mary, nee Pass? I notice that Boaman, you said you have lots of ancestry around Horsley family, and possibly Pass? I would be interested to find out more. I am very lucky to have quite a lot of information from Richard Osborne's book, but there doesn't seem to be any more information about James and Mary, or about Mary's Pass family - did she come from Melbourne? - do you have any earlier family history?
As well as market gardening, my family kept the Lamb Inn at one time, and their major businesses in the second half of the 19th century were in transport. I expect they were carrying veg etc. into markets at Derby and other places. In trhe 1870s my great grandfather, Frank, was based in Derby. He was killed in central Derby in 1880 in a road accident.
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Hi MFH
I too am related to the Horsleys. William Horsley who kept the Lamb was my ggg grandfather.
I don't know if you were aware, as this isn't in Richard Osborne's book, but apparently William married Sarah Sutton. A distant cousin found this out, and this was my initial conversation with Boaman as his Suttons are of the same line we think!
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Hi everyone
Some of my ancestors were also Market Gardeners in Melbourne. My G.G.Grandmother Beardsley owned a Garden in Cockshute Lane and I may have links with the Jackson family as in 1882 Maria Beardsley married Harry Jackson, son of Edmund Jackson who was also a Market Gardener.
My mother says they grew most veg. inc. celery. As a young girl she said the smell in the tying houses was lovely and bunches of spring onions, radishes etc. were tied with raffia. Her Grandmother, Mary Beardsley, was said to be the fastest bunch tier in Melbourne!!! Another Beardsley had a Market Garden in Bolton Lane, Derby.
Don't know if this is of any help.
My father was born in 1923 at North Street Melbourne. His mother was Martha Jackson and her father was a market gardener. I guess that Harry Jackson would be her father. Perhaps in those days Martha would have gone back to her parents home to give birth. I have heard my father talk about an Auntie Ada and wonder if this was Martha's sister.
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Hi Everyone!
MFH - I have that Mary Pass' was born 10 May 1731 in Melbourne to parents Thomas Pass and Mary Holmes who married 27 November1726 in Melbourne; She married James Horsely 29 June 1760 in Melbourne and died in 1780 Mebourne.
Hope this helps!
Cheers
Jan :-*
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Hi Bluegrass
I have the marriage cert. of Harry Jackson dated 27.12.1882 - he married Maria Beardsley. Harry's father was Edmund Jackson and his wife was Fanny (don't know her maiden name). Maria's father was Joseph Beardsley and his wife was Sarah Elizabeth (Barber - Ithink). Unfortunately, Maria died on 24.12.1888 at Quick Close from TB. I'm not sure if they had any children before Maria died but I should imagine they probably did. My mother certainly remembers Ada Jackson being mentioned as a relative. Do you know the name of your father's Grandmother(?) - it is possible that Harry married again.
Hope this is of interest.
Regards, Liz
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I will try and find the name of my father's grandmother.
I found out from my father that my grandmother had three sisters and one brother. Martha (his mother), Ada, Grace, Doris and Frank. He remembers them having step siblings which could be from the first marriage to Maria Beardsley.
However he doesn't remember his maternal grandfather being Harry. Also, I was always led to believe my Grandmothers home was at Woodhouses near Melbourne which I think was the smallholding of Thomas Jackson. Perhaps there is another reason his mother was at North St when he was born.
Ada Jackson married Bill Beardsley so it looks as though there is a family connection there and my Dad thought they lived in Victoria St Melbourne.
Frank married Hilda Lane the daughter of Fred Lane and they lived at Barrow on Trent. He remembers Fred Lane was in charge of a threshing machine.
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Hi Bluegrass
I've just spoken to my mother who was born in 1925 and she remembers Doris and Grace Jackson but she doesn't remember Martha or Frank. Does your father remember the names of the step siblings? My mother remembers going over to Woodhouses to visit relatives - possibly Jacksons. They walked down Penn Lane and through the Spinney out to Woodhouses. Could Thomas Jackson have been Harry's brother. Harry's parents were Edmund and Fanny Jackson.
Ada Jackson married Bill Beardsley who was my mother's Uncle. They had two sons, Thomas and Stanley. They first lived at The Pingles, Mount Joy and then moved out of the village to Newbo(u)ld where there were lots of mines. It was there that their son Thomas contracted Typhoid Fever at the age of 18yrs. He died in 1938/9. Stanley died about 10 years ago. When Ada & Bill moved back to Melbourne they lived in Victoria Street and then in The Market Place. I remember visiting them there as a young girl.
My mother has asked if you have come across a Sal(Sally?) Jackson and Arthur Jackson who owned a small shop in The High St. selling groceries/general stores.
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Hi Bluegrass
I've just spoken to my mother who was born in 1925 and she remembers Doris and Grace Jackson but she doesn't remember Martha or Frank. Does your father remember the names of the step siblings? My mother remembers going over to Woodhouses to visit relatives - possibly Jacksons. They walked down Penn Lane and through the Spinney out to Woodhouses. Could Thomas Jackson have been Harry's brother. Harry's parents were Edmund and Fanny Jackson.
Ada Jackson married Bill Beardsley who was my mother's Uncle. They had two sons, Thomas and Stanley. They first lived at The Pingles, Mount Joy and then moved out of the village to Newbo(u)ld where there were lots of mines. It was there that their son Thomas contracted Typhoid Fever at the age of 18yrs. He died in 1938/9. Stanley died about 10 years ago. When Ada & Bill moved back to Melbourne they lived in Victoria Street and then in The Market Place. I remember visiting them there as a young girl.
My mother has asked if you have come across a Sal(Sally?) Jackson and Arthur Jackson who owned a small shop in The High St. selling groceries/general stores.
Hi Miggins
I'm afraid my father is in hospital in Somerset and not in the best of health. I am in the USA and I try and speak to him on the phone as much as possible but as you can imagine, subject matter is limited and he has difficulty in concentrating. Like many people in their 80's he sometimes finds it easier to talk about things which happened many many years ago and that's really why this market gardener topic is so interesting.
He does remember an Arthur Jackson who he thinks would be a similar age to himself (born 1923) but can't remember Sal or a shop in Melbourne. The Arthur Jackson he knew was about 5'10" tall, a handsome fellow and a very good darts player. Not much to go on but maybe it is the same person your mother knew.
I'll ask him if he remembers more about his Auntie Ada and Uncle Bill when we speak next time.
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Hi Bluegrass
Many thanks for your reply and appreciate the difficulties you have in getting information from your father. I will speak to my mother to see if she can give me any more info. I know we have photographs of Ada & Bill but, as yet, I've not worked out how to post them on rootschat.
Anyone out there who can help?
Will be in touch again.
Regards, Liz.
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Hi Miggins
you have to already have it (the image) available online - either on a website or an Image hosting Site like Imagebam or Flikr
Then view the image in your browser - on imagebam you should see some code that says BB Code - that is for forums like this and will allow you to post a thumnail image that when you click on shows the full size image. Copy this code - press CTL/C
Reply to the post type in your text and then
Click on the icon that looks like a picture frame - and paste the url in between the img tags. (You might not need these if you use Imagebam you might be able to just paste the code in)
Have a look at my post earlier in this thread - it'll take you to Imagebam so you can see what I mean.
Just Updated to make the instructions a bit clearer - make sure you press Preview first so that you make sure it works OK before posting.
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Hi Boaman
Thanks for that. Will study and inwardly digest and hope to get some images up and running soon!
Regards,
Liz
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Hi my ancester William Bartram (c 1843) was a market Gardener in Melbourne, he lived in High Street. His father was also William Bartram (c.1814) coal dealer. I was just wndering if anyone has come across any information with his name.
Many thanks,
Jemma
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I will try and find the name of my father's grandmother.
I found out from my father that my grandmother had three sisters and one brother. Martha (his mother), Ada, Grace, Doris and Frank. He remembers them having step siblings which could be from the first marriage to Maria Beardsley.
However he doesn't remember his maternal grandfather being Harry. Also, I was always led to believe my Grandmothers home was at Woodhouses near Melbourne which I think was the smallholding of Thomas Jackson. Perhaps there is another reason his mother was at North St when he was born.
Ada Jackson married Bill Beardsley so it looks as though there is a family connection there and my Dad thought they lived in Victoria St Melbourne.
Frank married Hilda Lane the daughter of Fred Lane and they lived at Barrow on Trent. He remembers Fred Lane was in charge of a threshing machine.
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I have been researching the jacksons family. ,Harry was the son of Edmund and Sarah Wykes,he married Maria Beardsley in 1882 they had 3 children,Albert 1883,Agnes 1884 and Ethel 1887,after Maria,s death in 1888
Harry remarried Ann Eliza Lakin and they had a futher 8 children,Frank 1891
Mary 1893,Grace 1894,Ada 1896,Doris 1898,Martha(Patti) and Harold (twins)1901 and Louisa 1905.Harry,s siblings were Samuel Edwin,Martha,Clara,Edmund and Alice.
Hope this helps
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Thanks for this information Wallhanger.
My father is suffering from the early stages of dementia but with the details you provided I managed to confirm with him that he is the grandson of Harry Jackson and Ann Lakin.
It was quite emotional to hear him recall that his mother, Martha Jackson, was indeed known as Patti. I imagine he may not have heard her called by this name for perhaps 30 or 40 years. He does not remember her twin brother Harold at all, nor her sister Mary, but all the other aunties and uncles he could name easily.
My fathers name by the way is Kenneth Newton Draper
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Hi Miggins, how did you get on with your research into the Dawsons? My GG grandfather was Thomas Dawson who lived at Chambers Row. His son Frank is my G grandfather.