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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Bedfordshire => Topic started by: Trisha on Monday 22 November 04 16:43 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
can anyone give me any information about the following person and his wife?
John TIMMS-baptised,Ridgmont on the 29/10/1758.
His wife was called Deborah and may have originally come from Astwood in Bucks.They may have married there or perhaps in Cranfield in about 1786.
Many thanks to anyone who can help me with this request.
Trisha.
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Hello Trisha,
again no info as such but following:-
RIDGEMONT PARISH REGISTER TO 1812
BAPTISM
31/1/1713 Sar d of Jn Timbs
16/8/1752 Thos s of Hen & Ann Tims
30/5/1756 Mary d of Jn & Mary Tims
29/10/1758 Jn s of Jn & Mary Timms
17/2/1760 Sar d of Jn & Mary Tims
21/6/1761 Ric s of Jn & Mary Timms
21/6/1765 Sar d of Jn & Mary Timms
27/4/1766 Ric s of Jn & Mary Timms
12/10/1772 Sar d of Jn & Mary Timms
21/6/1789 Thos s of Thos & Mary Timms aged 17
29/5/1789 Ric s Ric & Mary Timms poor
20/7/1794 Jn s of Ric & Mary Timms aged 3
20/7/1794 Thos s of Ric & Mary Timms aged 2
20/7/1794 Ann d of Ric & Mary Timms aged 1
26/4/1795 Wm s of Ric & Mary Timms
31/3/1799 Ann d of Thos & Eliz Timms
23/9/1804 Wm aged 6, Jos aged 5, Jas aged 3, Dan aged 2, Sar aged 1 1/4 and Eliz of Ric & Mary Timms.
12/6/1808 'Mille' d of Ric & Mary Timms
29/4/1810 Sam s of Ric & Mary Timms
MARRIAGES
29/5/1789 Ric Timms to Mary Pales
10/2/1791 Jas Petwin to Sar Tim(m)s lic
BURIALS
26/5/1761 Sar d of Jn & Mary Timms
8/11/1767 Sar d of Jn & Mary Timms
21/1/1779 Jn Timms lab
21/5/1790 Mary Timms wid
11/4/1790 Ric s of Ric & Mary Tomms/Timms lab
17/9/1796 Wm s Ric & Mary Timms aged 1
2/10/1796 Jn s of Thos & Eliz Timms aged 3 or 13
8/1/1809 Ann d Ric & Mary Timms aged 16
9/5/1809 Mille d of Ric & Mary Timms
Susan
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Hello again... almost missed this have no info for Astwood but the marriage may have taken place in London......not Cranfield.
CRANFIELD PARISH REGISTER
BAPTISM
4/7/1797 Eliz d of Jn & Deb Timms publican
1/9/1799 Frances d of Jn & Deb Tims farmer
20/12/1800 Sarah d of Jn & Deb Tims farmer
1/9/1805 Harriet & Caroline d of Jn & Deb Tims farmer
6/8/1809 Jn Dan s of Dan & Alice Tims blacksmith
30/10/1811 Wm Fred s of Dan & Alice Tims blacksmith
MARRIAGES
1/11/1793 Thos Timms(St Mary Bedford) to Eliz Hiam
27/12/1808 Dan Timms(signs Tims) to Alice Parks
BURIALS
30/10/1811 Alice w of Dan Tims blacksmith
30/12/1811 Wm Fred s of Dan & Alice Tims blacksmith
Susan
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Hi Waterfall,
many thanks for the info.It great.Hoever why do you think the marriage of John and Deborah took place in London?I'm intrigued.
Best wishes,
Trisha
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Hello Trish,
the only reason I thought the marriage may have taken place in London was because I looked on the IGI for Astwood which you mentioned. The reason for looking up that was if I found something there then I would look up Astwood Parish register. Just saw on the IGI the marriage of John Timbs to Deborah in 1797 at St Martins in the Fields. Probably not the one you are after as Elizabeth baptised in July 1797 and the marriage December 1797.
Sorry to have caused confusion........I do enough of that for myself.!! If I can help with anything else, if not too much will do so after Christmas,
Bye Susan
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Re: John Timms 1758, married to Deborah Luck 1760. Assuming he did marry Deborah Luck, then their marriage could have taken place in Lambeth, now London; 04 November 1784. This information comes from a transcription of a document which isn't shown and transcription errors are rife. Maybe the location is wrongly transcribed? However, the London location is still quite possible without there being an error.
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Re John Timms 1758, married 1784; just found a Parish Registry entry which confirms the Lambeth venue for the marriage. The entry, in the form of a certificate, mentions the partners as being "of this parish" (Lambeth). Still possible it's right because people moved to where work was available and did so frequently.
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See attached for the entry in the parish register of Lambeth St Mary. One of the witnesses, James Singleton, appears as a witness on other marriages so was probably an official. The other witness, John William Vandervoren, baptised children in Holborn, and may have been baptised in 1746 in St Martin in the Fields, and doesn't seem to have a Bedfordshire connection.
The names are right, the timing is right, the place is wrong. The best that can be said is that it might be.
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John & Deborah Timms feature in this topic...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,529455.0.html
+ also see ...
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=redking&id=I711
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OK, Assuming that this John Tims & Deborah Luck who married 4 Nov 1784 in Lambeth were the couple who baptised their first child Daniel at Astwood on 30 Apr 1786 & subsequent children in Marston Moretaine, Cranfield & Ampthill then what was the Astwood connection? There's not many Tims names in Astwood Parish Register, the first being a baptism 1823 of child to, followed by marriage 1825 of, Caroline Tims of Marston Moretaine.
However better luck with the Luck name. In Astwood there is burial of Daniel Luck on 15 Sept 1782, sojourner, an old man; then one of Deborah Luck on 18 Feb 1795, widow. Now were these man & wife & the parents of Deborah Luck who married John Tims. She was named after her mother & their first son named after her father. There is no marriage or baptism at Astwood to support this speculation. There is a marriage on 4 July 1803 by licence of William Luck of North Crawley to Ann Cozens, this William was baptised 19 July 1772 to Daniel & Mary Luck.
John
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....more...
.... what if it was Daniel Luck of Leighton Buzzard who married Deborah Nash at Lindslade on 1 Jan 1734/35 as per FreeReg & Boyd's marriage index.
... as the Daniel Timms born Astwood, son of John & Deborah is in Leighton Buzzard, working as blacksmith on 1841, 1851 & 1861 census with wife Phoebe & children
what do'ya think ?
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Hi JohnP
There are a lot of possibilities but few entries for Luck with Deborah as a first name. I'll return to it at a later time. Busy helping someone sort his tree right now. Your comments very useful; thanks.
Nainsel