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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: Betty Boo on Saturday 10 February 07 18:44 GMT (UK)
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What can you do when you don't know where in County Monaghan someone was born. All I do have is their name, year of birth and their fathers name from a marriage certificate.
Elizabeth
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Snap, I have exactly the same and have never ever got any further back ::)
this branch of my family is driving me mad
Jane
PS I don't suppose yours are called RICE, what would be the chance of that ;D
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Hi Jane,
No mine are called Thomas and Father Owen Collins, although I do have RICE on my other side of the family, I haven't even got that far back yet but maybe they were from Ireland too.
Elizabeth
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What years are you looking I have family from Clones
Co Monaghan
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Hi
My person I am searching for is PATRICK RICE 1847 born Monaghan, father is Peter Rice, his occupation was Corn Merchant on Patrick's wedding cert, and that is all I know, apart from later census, when he is living with wife and family in England ??? ::)
Anything you could find would be a great help!!
With thanks
Jane ;D
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Hi
Irish records for birth start 1864 marriage a bit earlier
Did he marry in Monaghan
I get my info at the Mormans Church next thime Iam there I will go through Rice Monaghan
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Civil registration of births (and deaths) in Ireland started 1864. Registration of Protestant marriages began 1845 and Catholic marriages in 1864. For earlier records of births and marriages you will need to find church records (if they still exist).
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Hi aghadowey,
Sorry is this in reply to my Thomas Collins born 1841 County Monaghan?
If it is for Thomas Collins then his birth 1841 won't be there.
Sorry should have added he was catholic. I don't know which area in County Monaghan he came from. Every census just says Ireland, nothing else, I did find out later when his son was killed in WW1 that Thomas came from County Monaghan as his son received a medal which was presented to his mother in County Durham.
Elizabeth
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Yes Elizabeth. You will not get a birth certificate for Thomas (born 1841) and you will probbly have to narrow down his birthplace to at least a parish or area in County Monaghan before you will know whether or not church records exist for the time of his birth/christening.
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Hello again aghadowey,
I have been trying for about 2 years to find out where Thomas Collins born 1841 came from in Monaghan, I still haven't. Even when his son Patrick died in WW1 and received the DMC was awarded to his mother as Thomas born 1841 was dead says nothing of where the family came from in County Monaghan.
Info below:-
Patrick Collins brother of Thomas' s son also called Thomas born 1885 in Durham
died in Ypres, Belgium?
A leaflet published by Deorwenta Publcations, Blackhill, Co
Durham (St. Mary's War Memorial) and it reads as follows:
'5332 Patrick Collins DCM Age 27: P Collins, one of twelve children, was a
son of Thomas Collins, originally from Co. Monaghan, Ireland and Mary Anne
Collins, neé Duffy, from Berwick on Tweed, whose family came from Co Armagh,
Ireland. Patrick was born on 15 July 1889 and the family lived at 29
Waltons Row, Blackhill, Co Durham. He enlisted at Newcastle on Tyne, to join
the 6th Battalion, Connaught Rangers in Co Cork, Ireland, attached to the
British Expeditionary Force. On Friday 9 March 1917, he died of wounds and
is buried at Kemmel Chateau Military Cemetry, Heuvellland, West Vlaanderen,
Belgium. Grave reference: M81. After his death, his mother was presented
with the DCM at the Olympia Cinema, Blackhill, when his courageous advance
into no-man's-land was commemorated on stage.
Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth,
I've just been having a bit of a sort out and i came across a post-it note which i wrote down several years ago. (like you do) ::)
anyhow it reads:-
immigration. (Famine).
County Monaghan immigrants to the Consett area of County Durham, England.
1842-1855, xvi, 1 (1997), 37.
G. Duffy, 37 Clogher record index.
Now racking my brain, from what i remember G. Duffy (not sure if he was the same Mr Duffy that was a teacher at school? ) he did lot of research, I think it started off with his family tree but went a lot more into the famine and families who escaped and came to the consett area. I think he came from the Shotley Bridge, Blackhill, Consett area but has since settled back in Ireland where his family had come from.
I don't know if anyone else can throw any light on whether it was a book, paper etc., or if it mentions the names and areas of people/families.
Regards
Rewcastle
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I've had a quick google and it seems it was for a journal for Clogher Historical Society http://www.clogherhistory.ie/ which publish a journal each year.
edit:
If you go to http://www.clogherhistory.ie/Bookshop click on Books, click on Clogher, they have Record Clogher Record 1997, the one which contains 'County Monaghan immigrants in the Consett area of County Durham, England, 1842-1855', by G. Duffy; cost 20 euros (that's if no rootschater has a copy and could do a lookup).
regards
Rewcastle
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Hello Rewcastle,
Thanks so much for your reply to my post on Thomas Collins from County Monaghan. Interesting about the teacher G Duffy!!
I have been searching for Thomas Collins for many many years now.
I am stuck at both sides of my family tree, this is my husband great grandfather, his so also Thomas Collins was his grandfather.
I on the otherhand am stuck with my grandmother from County Down, I can't find any info on her parents although I do know their names.
We therefore have very few people in our family trees but I will check out the website you have given me and see if I can find something there.
Thank you for your help and I did love the bit about the bit of paper ie ( like you do ). I keep finding bits of paper but I can never understand what they were about.
Best wishes Elizabeth
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Oops Rewcastle,
I didn't notice the bit on the end about the book, you must have added it to the message later, anyway I will check that out too. Many thanks for all you help and advice.
Elizabeth
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Hello Elizabeth,
I am involved in a rootsweb news group for Co. Fermanagh and I have posted a request for the article on immigrants from Co. Monaghan to County Durham. And I have heard from a guy that may be able to help. I will update you when he gets back to me. I made a Specific request to see if there was any mention on any Collins.
Best wishes
Mo
PS: got the following message about the article:
I can see no reference to a Thomas Collins b. 1841 but there are a few other Collins named.
A Mary Collin from Blackhill was a witness at a wedding between Peter Roddy and Bridget Carrol from Blackhill on the 14.11.1847. From Killanny Parish, Co Monaghan.
2. A Mary Collins from Leadgate married a John Murphy from Blackhill on 15.7.1849.
Parents of both – Owen Murphy & Agnes Magee and Lawrence Collins and Mary McLoughlin.. The Murphy’s were from Donamoine Parish, Co Monaghan and the Collins’ were from Gory Parish Co Wexford.
No more Collins names were in the article
sorry could not help you further
Mo
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Hello Mo,
That was really, really very kind of you to ask about my Thomas Collins from County Monaghan. I just can't believe anyone would take the time and trouble to do this for me, I truely appreciate it.
I don't think I am ever going to find him, its just one of those things I guess.
Many, many thanks for trying though.
Elizabeth
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Hi Elizabeth
I know is a long shot and without parish and townland is hard but those folks at the National Library are national treasures. They helped me find the impossible for one of mine.
Took us ages but we got there.
But downside it does mean going htere or finding a willing volunteer.
Griffiths valuation may help you. If I can help let me know
Thanks
Ann
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Elizabeth
I'm afraid I can't help with Thomas senior's place of origin but I think you'll find his final resting place in the attached Burial Records ( Entry no 11409). You may have to re-assess his age based on these records, but if you compare his address and burial plot number with that of Mary Ann Collins (Entry no. 15047) it looks like they were husband and wife. You may also find some other members of their family in these records - 11481 looks like a possible candidate.
I've also attached a photo of the WW1 part of St. Mary's Church War Memorial in Blackhill on which Patrick is commemorated.
PatB.