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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: Garethboxing on Wednesday 14 February 07 19:39 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone have any info on Kirklands estate, Ancrum, around the 1800 mark. An ancestor of mine, William Scott, had worked his way up from being a humble ag lab to being steward of the estate by about 1805. I believe the owner at the time was a retired admiral - can anyone supply any details?
Gareth
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Hi Gareth,Kirklands is a large house just outside Ancrum on the Lilliesleaf road, at the time you mention it was owned by John Richardson Esq, born 1780 died 1864,buried in Ancrum Churchyard, when Ancrum House was demolished in the 1960's the land became part of Kirklands estate.There may be mention of it in the Statistical Account of Scotland.
Amanda,Canada.
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Thanks, Amanda.
I had discovered from Google that a John Richardson had hired an architect to build a new house at Kirklands in 1830, but didn't realise he was there at the turn of the century.
Since I posted I've heard (also from across the Atlantic) that Ancrum parish records in 1805 described William Scott as steward to an Admiral John Elliot. Was the admiral perhaps a tenant of John Richardson, I wonder?
It would be good to know if any records of the estate around that era have survived.
Gareth
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Sorry Gareth, I can't help you with you question, but you may be able to help me as I also have an interest in the said William Scott. Could you get in touch with me for a mutual exchange of information? I have some information re William's family but it's not solid enough to print on this forum.
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Hi Bolttail,
It's amazing how RC suddenly comes up with a reply to(or at least in connection with) a question I posted three years ago. I've been tied up with other things and let family history drift a little, but I will get in touch by PM in a few days. I've been away for the weekend and have a load of urgent stuff to sort out first.
Gareth
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Since I posted I've heard (also from across the Atlantic) that Ancrum parish records in 1805 described William Scott as steward to an Admiral John Elliot. Was the admiral perhaps a tenant of John Richardson, I wonder?
Hi Gareth
Admiral John Elliot was a son of Sir Gilbert Elliot, 2nd Earl of Minto. He was a tenant of Lord Lothian at Mount Teviot (Monteviot) in 1800 (mentioned in a letter from Lady Louisa Stewart), in 1805 (when his sister died there) and in 1808 (when he himself died there), so perhaps your ancestor worked at Monteviot rather than Kirklands?
regards,
Lesley
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gareth do you have more details re william scott ie dob wife children.etc.
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Hi Alan,
According to what I have (no guarantees), William Scott - who seems to have been known as John - was born at Ancrum on 15 August 1773. He married Helen Dodds (don't know when) and they had at least: Isobel (1796), Mary Anne (1797), Thomas (1800), my gt x 3 grandfather, Robert Dodds Scott, born c1803, and Charles (1804).
Regards, Gareth
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Hi Gareth,
My great great grandfather was the said John Richardson who owned Kirklands. I'll run a check through the family records to see if there's any mention of yr ancestor, but I doubt there will be, as it's mostly family letters to/from the next generation. John Richardson, who was an Edinburgh lawyer, is always said to have moved to Ancrum to be near his friend Sir Walter Scott.
Minto (Elliots) was the next 'big hoose' up the road from Kirklands, and the families were close friends, so it's entirely possible that your ancestor moved employment from the one to the other.
Minto was demolished, but Kirklands still stands & is, I think, once more owned by Scotts.
There's also a collection of Richardson family papers in the National Library of Scotland. I've only trawled through them for stuff of direct interest to me, but they may well have something of interest to you
Andrew
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Thanks, Andrew, one day I'll get around to visiting Ancrum and having a look at Kirklands - maybe this summer.
Gareth
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Hi Gareth,
My great great grandfather was the said John Richardson who owned Kirklands.
There's also a collection of Richardson family papers in the National Library of Scotland. I've only trawled through them for stuff of direct interest to me, but they may well have something of interest to you
Andrew
Andrew,
I have been researching Roland (Also spelled Rowland) Richardson for some time now. He would be your great great uncle. He was an officer in the HEIC Cavalry and later the 19th Hussars. I have a photo of his grave and have a microfilm of the entire Richardson papers from the National Library of Scotland. I would be very interested in obtaining a photo or other image of Roland. I have a photo of an oil painting of a young Ensign in the Bengal Cavalry which is reputed to be a painting of Roland, but I have no way to be sure that it is truly Roland. Have you heard of this painting or know anything about it. I would love to learn the location of the original.
Any information would be appreciated. I would be happy to share the information I have regarding Roland if you are interested.
Tim
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gareth I think your JOHN not William died 1884 aged 66 yrs wife of AGNES DODDS and is buried in Morebattle cemetery.
You will need to see or buy a copy of the Mon. Inscriptions published by the BordersFamily History Society to get more details. I am making up a local Scott index from all their CDs and booklets and their reference is 206
There is also a William who died 1930 aged 68yrs who died at Lesudden(St Boswells)near Ancrum with a wife Isabella Dodds !! reference Lesudden 300
Hope this helps.
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Thanks for that, Alan.
The Scott boys and the Dodds girls certainly seem to have had a good thing going between them ;)
Regards, Gareth
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I have a more recent question regarding Kirklands....while researching my father's service in the Argyll & S.H. during September 1941, I found he was stationed at Hawick (I assume at Stobs Camp) and spent a couple of days at 'Kirlands Casualty Receiving Station'. Can anyone confirm if the house on Kirklands, Ancrum was used during WW2 as a CRS?
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Phil,
Ronald had already asked about this query to BFHS on your behalf.
I asked a former occupant of the house nr Ancrum and she said she believed it was closed for the duration of the war and her father lived elsewhere while the war was on. I also asked Hawick Archealogical Society about Kirklands in Hawick but nobody had heard of that Kirklands being used as such. There may be other Kirklands in the Borders tho as it is a common name.
Barbara
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Barbara...thanks for the follow up. I have mostly drawn a blank on this search. I am hoping a letter I have sent to the regimental museum will produce something. If not I will likely put the query aside and leave it as an open question for resolution some other day. Agree the name is so generic that it makes it difficult to find. \Thks and rgds..Phil
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Hi Gareth, My gt gt gt grandfather is also Robert (Dodds) Scott. My paternal grandmother (born 1902) is daughter of William Thomas Scott (1844-1909), who is a son of John Scott (1825-1857), who is son of Robert (Dodds) Scott of Ancrum, Roxburghshire. I would be grateful for any information you could share. :D
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Hi Gareth,
My great great grandfather was the said John Richardson who owned Kirklands. I'll run a check through the family records to see if there's any mention of yr ancestor, but I doubt there will be, as it's mostly family letters to/from the next generation. John Richardson, who was an Edinburgh lawyer, is always said to have moved to Ancrum to be near his friend Sir Walter Scott.
Minto (Elliots) was the next 'big hoose' up the road from Kirklands, and the families were close friends, so it's entirely possible that your ancestor moved employment from the one to the other.
Minto was demolished, but Kirklands still stands & is, I think, once more owned by Scotts.
There's also a collection of Richardson family papers in the National Library of Scotland. I've only trawled through them for stuff of direct interest to me, but they may well have something of interest to you
Andrew
Hi there
I know it is a long shot but I was wondering if you had any details on your Great Grandfather's Motto and Crest?
Cheers
Jordan
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Hi Gareth,
My great great grandfather was the said John Richardson who owned Kirklands.
There's also a collection of Richardson family papers in the National Library of Scotland. I've only trawled through them for stuff of direct interest to me, but they may well have something of interest to you
Andrew
Andrew,
I have been researching Roland (Also spelled Rowland) Richardson for some time now. He would be your great great uncle. He was an officer in the HEIC Cavalry and later the 19th Hussars. I have a photo of his grave and have a microfilm of the entire Richardson papers from the National Library of Scotland. I would be very interested in obtaining a photo or other image of Roland. I have a photo of an oil painting of a young Ensign in the Bengal Cavalry which is reputed to be a painting of Roland, but I have no way to be sure that it is truly Roland. Have you heard of this painting or know anything about it. I would love to learn the location of the original.
Any information would be appreciated. I would be happy to share the information I have regarding Roland if you are interested.
Tim
Hi Tim
I was hoping you might still be around and have some research info on Roland Richardson, in particular his family crest and motto.
Cheers
Jordan
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Information about Colonel Roland Richardson http://www.britishmedals.us/collections/TB/heic/richardson.html (http://www.britishmedals.us/collections/TB/heic/richardson.html)
Coat of Arms for Henry Edward Richardson (I think) https://archive.org/details/armorialfamilies02foxd/page/1646 (https://archive.org/details/armorialfamilies02foxd/page/1646)