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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Roscommon => Topic started by: deadants on Tuesday 23 November 04 06:54 GMT (UK)
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Thanks for taking the time to read this, maybe you can help me.
I'm looking for the siblings of Bridget MacManus. She was born 14 December 1865, Bridewell, County Rosscommon. Ireland.
She is the daughter of Thomas MacManus and Bridget Keogh.
If this ring any bells with anybody would be sure glad to hear from you.
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I misspelled Brideswell, County Rosscommon. Just northwest of Athlone. ;D
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My Grandmother, Mary Catherine McCooey was born near the gold mining town of Charters Towers, Queensland on the 27th August 1893. Just two months after her parents were married, her father was killed in a mining accident.
What happens next is a bit sketchy, but when young Mary is about seven years old, her mother takes her back to her home town of Athlone, in County Rosscommon Ireland to go to school.
Her mother returned to Australia. She goes to Kalgoorlie Western Australia where she marries a man by the name of Lerhinan. (thats how he spelled it) http://finchop.netfirms.com/
Mary remembers looking out her school window, which over looked the parade ground of Athlone Castle. She told me that she could remember the soldiers marching in the Parade ground outside.
She returned to Australia some ten years later after she finished school.
I would like to know the name of the school in Athlone?
I would like to know if it was a boarding school? Or did she stay with relatives in Athlone?
I would like to know Birth dates of her uncles and aunties.
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Here is the info I have so far. It came from a relative who died years ago and was only recently uncovered.
Bridget's parents are, Thomas McManus d. 1881 and Bridget McManus nee Keough d. 1908
I have no births or marriage dates for these two.
Children of Thomas and Bridget are as follows...
1. Owen
2. Mary
3. James
4. John
5. Rose
6. Bridget McManus b.14 Dec 1895 Brideswell, County Rosscommon.
7. Thomas
8. William
9. Hannah
10. Catherine
Ok, I know it's a lot research but any scraps of information will be received gratefully.
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Hi deadants
Well it worked - you got some kind of reply!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Now I'm here, my ex wife's father was born in Athlone - I thought that was in West Meath? - As it's my ex - I haven't bothered too much with her family - but now that you've got people reading your questions - perhaps you can confirm that I have to wrong county - as well as the wrong wife!!
Good Luck
Keith
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Yeeha, There is life here after all.
The town of Athlone is in County Westmeath for administrative purposes but prior to 1899 the town west of Athlone was in Co. Roscommon while that to the east of Athlone was in Co. Westmeath. If one has 19th century records relating to Athlone, Co. Westmeath or Athlone, Co. Roscommon one can make the assumption that the Roscommon ones refer to the west Athlone. Westmeath is in the province of Leinster while Roscommon is in Connaught.
http://www.gleesonstownhouse.com/county_map.htm
Seeing my G grandmother was supposed to have been born in Brideswell I thought I'd post this inThe Rosscommon forum.
I should move my feeble attempt at a web page to the new rootschat webhosting site.
deadants
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Hi deadants
Thats as clear as mud ;D ;D ;D
I like the guest bedrooms at the Gleesons Townhouse & Restaurant - are you on commision!!
Keep going someone will answer - with a proper reply!!
Cheers
Keith
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No such luck, no commision just a convenient map I found. But I think some of my G Grandmothers family lived in Westmeath. I think one of her brothers died Ardnananure wherever that is.
I'd realy would like to know the name of that school next to the castle. I hope somebody has an idea about this. My grandmother told me this story when I was about 12 years old around 1968 or so.
So here I sit waiting Waiting Waiting...... ;) ;) ;)
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You got another reply, ;D
This will save you having to talk to yourself, and Keith's scary cat.
Unfortunately I have no knowledge of the area ::), but a tack to try would be to write to the letters page of any paper local to the area. Ask for locals to tell you of any boarding schools they know were in the area in the years you are interested in. And there may still be people who remember the family, or rather their descendants.
Good Luck, and if I get any more bright ideas I will pop back in.
Kazza.
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Thanks kazza, Sounds like a good idea. I will hit google and see what newspapers are around the Athlone area.
It's good to know someones looking in the backwaters of the forum.
deadants
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http://www.unison.ie/westmeath_independent/
Is a possibility.
K. ;)
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http://homepage.eircom.net/~athloneobserver/
is another.
K.
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Thanks for those links.
I just tried to join a heritage forum in Athlone but it seems to be having troubles. I sent them an email but it just bounced back.
Here's the link. Not much to look at though.
deadants
http://www.athlone.ie/DiscussionForum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=5
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Hmm,
Not exactly busy is it? From one posters comments they seem to have cleared out all her messages.
K. ;)
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Well I sent an email straight to the horses mouth at athlone castle. Next I'll send one to the Catholic Church.
The local history society want 75euros to have a cursory look. Thats Aus $129.60. yeeoww
I guess i'll have to wait a few days for a reply from the castle.
deadants.
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Deadants,
That is a bit steep. :o
Good luck with the castle and the papers though. and keep us posted on your progress.
Maybe someone else has another idea for Deadants to follow up?
Kazza.
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Well i just got my reply from the castle.
"Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following
addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out."
I have been cursed. I just sent an email to the the local parish preist. If i get an email bounce from him I think Athlone might be tha mythical Brigadoon which sleeps for a hundred years. ??? :D
deadants.
P.S. Kazza, do you ever sleep?
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Well I don't believe this bu the church bounced.
<tcstmary@iol.ie>:
193.120.142.161 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 550 Unknown local part tcstmary in <tcstmary@iol.ie>
Giving up on 193.120.142.161.
OK, this has become personal. I going straight to the bishop. If that fails I will just have to whip of an email to the pope. Standbye for further advetures in cyber space.
deadants
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Ok, I think I know whats going on with all the bounce back. If I use my yahoo acount it gets rejected. When I use my pop account they seem to go through.
I guess sending my pop email address to the catholic church couldn't elicet to much junk mail.
So I will wait patiently for the replies. ::)
deadants
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I have been cursed. I just sent an email to the the local parish preist. If i get an email bounce from him I think Athlone might be tha mythical Brigadoon which sleeps for a hundred years. ??? :D
deadants.
P.S. Kazza, do you ever sleep?
Not much,
Maybe I ought to move to Athlone/Brigadoon. ::)
I can't imagine the church will bombard you with junk.
Keep us posted. ;)
Kazza.
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Well I got a couple of replies, both pointing my nose to the same place. So I have sent of another email to the relvant people at the Diocese of Elphin. There is a "SPS John McManus" (not sure what SPS means) and a Michael McManus at Castlerea, Co Roscommon. You never know, these preist just may be related to my Grandmothers tribe. Fingers crossed.
deadants
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Well I finaly got a reply. So now I have a new lead to start chasing. :D
deadants
Your most interesting request for 'history help' has been passed on to me reply.
The clue contained in your e-mail is 'Athlone, Co. Roscommon' which suggests someone who lived on the west side of Athlone or in the area of South Roscommon adjoining Athlone.
None of the schools actually overlooked the military parade ground of Athlone Castle / Military Barracks but St. Peter's Convent School, run by the Sisters of Mercy was quite close to the barracks and actually overlooked the RIC (police) barracks.
The only others girls school in Athlone at that period was another convent school, Ankers Bowers N.S., which was run by a French order of nuns - it was located about a mile from the barracks and definitely in Co. Westmeath so I would suggest that the school she attended must have been St. Peter's.
St. Peter's Convent has recently closed but the school is still functioning (the present building dates from the 1930s) - it is possible that the school still has records from that period. A letter to the principal St. Peter's Girls National School, Excise Street, Athlone, Co. Westmeath might get you some information - be sure to give your grandmother's maiden name.
I would also suggest that if the man Mary's mother married was Irish the name is more likely to be Lenihan (Lenehan or Leneghan) than Lerhinan but that's just a thought.
I hope this information is of some help to you.
Kind regards
Gearoid O'Brien,
Executive Librarian,
Aidan Heavey Public Library,
Athlone Civic Centre,
Church Street,
Athlone,
Co. Westmeath.
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Well done deadants - shows what a bit of perseverance does - I got a similar letter today - it seems the library people are human!!
That will get a few bricks thrown!! ;D ;D
Cheers
Keith
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Hi Keith,
I must admit, I was beginning to think my letter had gone dow a black hole. So I will now sit here in the sun and compose a nice letter to the principal of St. Peter's and pray the records are still available.
deadants
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I have long ago left athlone,but I actually worked for a while in a Bakery across the Square from Athlone Castle & watched the "Boarders" from St Peters Secondary girls school & the day pupils pass by the window on a daily basis. Yes the school could be viewed from the Castle. I am also in a dilema with my ancestors. I & a million others are researching the name Farrell from Co's Roscommon/Westmeath, too many "brick walls".
Good luck with your reasearch.
Margaret (Melbourne Australia)
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Hi Margaret,
Thanks for the information. This is timely, as my sister is going to Athlone next month. I will ask her if she could make a trip to St Peters Secondary girls school. Hopefully they may have some further information.
Yes, too many brick walls.
Cheers, deadants
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My guess is that Brideswell is the BMD registration area. The parish you actually require is Drum Parish, Co. Roscommon, now part of the united RC parishes of Drum, Clonown and St. Peters Athlone. I think both families came from there, though there are Keoghs in all S. Roscommon parishes. From memory, Drum Parish History has 4-6 McManus families in 1850 in Nure or Ardnanure. and there is certainly at least 1 Keogh family in the Parish. This household head name is Hugh Keogh. When you get to Athlone, visit the Library and ask for " Drum and its Hinterland" from the local history section. Just in case the book is out on loan when you visit, you may be able to find it on Amazon, or an Irish booksellers site. It is listed on Amazon, but what is availability is , is another matter. Somebody mentioned McCooey.....probably McHugh, perhaps family of Hugh "Hughie" Keogh. M(a)C means son or descendant of.
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Hi ros2, Welcome to rootschat and thanks for the information. I wish it was me that was going to Athlone but it will be my sister who is making the trip. I will be giving her all the information to go and check for me. She has no genealogy research experience so I will have to be carefull not to overload her with things to look for. I have forwaded your comments to my cousin in Sydney who has more of a handle on the Rosscommon side of things.
deadants
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Courtesy of LeitrimRoscommon.com 1901 Census, this may be your Bridget Keogh McManus: Ardnanure, Parish of Drum - Head of household, Bridget McManus aged 74. Others in household, James aged 30.
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Hi ros2,
You may be correct. My GG Grandmother Bridget McManus nee Keough was married to Thomas McManus. I don't have a year of marriage. They had eight children, My G Grandmother being one. She was born 1865. She had a younger brother James, I have no birth or death for James so I can't confirm that he was 30 in 1901 but it's sounds about right. Bridget McManus nee Keough died in 1908 and her husband Thomas died in 1881.
So Ros2, You may have pointed my nose in the right direction.
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Found a couple for you...saw your "new" post and thought I'd answer an old one....J.J.
THOMAS MC MANUS
Birth: 21 DEC 1867 Roscommon, Ireland
Father: THOMAS MC MANUS
Mother: BRIDGET KEOGH
WILLIAM MC MANUS
Birth: 20 JUN 1870, Roscommon, Ireland
Father: THOMAS MC MANUS
Mother: BRIDGET KEOGH
and being that this was a popular name to couple here's one for you to chew on: JAMES MCMANUS ,b. 10 MAR 1867 , Brideswell, Roscommon, Ireland
Mary McManus b. 25 MAY 1873Roscommon, Ireland
BRIDGET MCMANUS b.29 NOV 1864, Brideswell, Roscommon, Ireland
Father: MARTIN MCMANUS
Mother: MARY KEOGH
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these pages may also hold some interest for you...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harney2/irish/charts/rotmf.htm
http://members.aol.com/manus2/mcmintst1998.htm
worth a shot, anyway! J.J.
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Hi J.J.
Sorry about my absence. I have been off sick for a couple of weeks.
I have sent a copy of your post to my sister who knows more about the McManus side of things. I just have to Wait till she is not so busy to get the research out of her cupboard.
deadants
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Never mind...It's been so long I forget what the search was...Haha!!! ::)
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O.K. I'm back on it...
William
20 JUN 1870, Roscommon, Ireland
TWINS???
Oh, Silly me, I thought I had a James before...
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O.K. This one was just too close not to show you...
Eugenius McManus
Christening:
28 FEB 1858 Roman Catholic, St. Peters Athlone And Drum, Roscommon, Ireland
Parents:
Father: Thomae McManus
Mother: Brigidae Keogh
Believe it or not, this priest in this church named all the babies and parents this way, with a latin, or whatever ending...so this probably is the same family....
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Found a couple for you...saw your "new" post and thought I'd answer an old one....J.J.
THOMAS MC MANUS
Birth: 21 DEC 1867 Roscommon, Ireland
Father: THOMAS MC MANUS
Mother: BRIDGET KEOGH
WILLIAM MC MANUS
Birth: 20 JUN 1870, Roscommon, Ireland
Father: THOMAS MC MANUS
Mother: BRIDGET KEOGH
and being that this was a popular name to couple here's one for you to chew on: JAMES MCMANUS ,b. 10 MAR 1867 , Brideswell, Roscommon, Ireland
Mary McManus b. 25 MAY 1873Roscommon, Ireland
BRIDGET MCMANUS b.29 NOV 1864, Brideswell, Roscommon, Ireland
Father: MARTIN MCMANUS
Mother: MARY KEOGH
Hi JJ
Sorry it has taken so long for this reply, but I've been waiting for my sister to come up and sort through our paperwork. We are pretty sure that the Thomas and William Mcmanus you have here are ours, but although we also have a James, Mary and Bridget in that family, their parents Martin and Mary are too far from Thomas and Bridget to be ours. Can you tell me where you sourced that info from?
We have a rambling family history of the Mcmanuses typed up in the late 70's by a distant cousin from WA which suggests that there were initially 2 branches of the family living very close to each other at Nure and Ardnanure. They all seem to have the same names so it can get very confusing.
Cheers
Ants
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I just tried several different things, I think on the family search site...
I like to sqeeze whatever info I can out of it...
and the 2nd set was just for fun , as it was a reverse combination of the same last names...and who knows, maybe distant cousins....
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
all the best, J.J.
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and who knows, maybe distant cousins....
Thanks J.J. I have gone over the site you gave but it doesn't look like there is much more there that fits our McManus clan.
Back to google I guess.
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No, Like I said, I squeezed out all there was...Good luck with finding more! J.J.
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Hi there,
I ordered the parish register for St. Peter's Church in Athlone and on some of the pages I was looking at was the name McManus, it's in latin, which for me makes it difficult
Some of the names from the year 1829:
Patrick McManus
Michael McManus
Maria McManus
Thomas McManus
If you're interested in any of this, let me know.
Karen
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Oh, I think that Karen has found the birth dates of the ancestors for you...
Hi, Karen!!!!
Have you searched this before, for the siblings? Some McManus to be found
in roscommon,(only one "s", remember!) although I don't see Brideswell...!
but your barony is Athlone.....Lots of results! (barony, county, surname leave rest blank for best results)
http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/1901census/census.shtml
a Bridget & Katie with a Michael which could be your man...he's in the right spot
but just to confuse the issue...2 more Michaels, also there!
Two Owens and the same age and certainly the right age...
John of the right age....lots more have fun!
This was a new find for me, deadants, so it may not be listed in the Ireland
list of available information, if you want to submit it... J.J.
p.s. did anything match your Rose, Hanah, etc...in the freepages.genealogy
site in above message on this page?
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Maybe the parish would be happy to pass on your requests for information on ancestors...as I am sure there are still living ancestors attending...
http://www.athlone.ie/News/Newsletters/StPetersNewsletter.aspx
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Hi JJ,
Thanks for that link, I can use it as well. I got so frustrated last night looking at the register, I am now versing myself in Latin so when I go back again to look, I'll know what I'm looking at!
They didn't teach Latin when I went to school!
Karen
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Not sure how extensive this is, but here's another for deadants & Karen to look at
http://www.from-ireland.net/extrs/a/athlonemarrs1.htm
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Hi Karen and JJ,
your post in my thread got put on the backburner with the unfortunate result that I completely forgot about it. :-[ :-[
I have been flatchat lately and haven't had time to put the time into the family research. If You can hold off for a few more weeks, I should be back in full swing. The majority of my time on Rootschat is in the photo Restoration forum and that's not much time either. My Sister Is really the researcher on this side of the family and she hasn't had much time for it either. I now have this thread in my computers diary to remind every couple of weeks, so I won't forget.
Ants
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I stumbled upon this old thread one more time, so will add in case you haven't found it
Honoria Mcmanus born Jan 10, 1873 Ireland
Thomas Mcmanus & Bridget Keogh Mcmanus
http://search.labs.familysearch.org
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Hello deadants,
In your McManus family have you found that Thomas McManus, son of Thomas & Bridget Mcmanus (Keogh) came to Australia, Qld to be precise. Not sure when he saild to Aust.
He married Alice George - 1893/B16111 McManus Thomas; George Alice - QLD BDM's online.
They had -
Issue Found on QLD BDM Birth Index website
1893/B52754 Harriet Alice McManus Thomas Alice George
1895/B57154 Thomas Franklin McManus Thomas Alice George
1898/C1416 Mary Ann McManus Thomas Alice George
1901/C1138 Annie Louisa McManus Thomas Alice George
1903/C1507 Eileen McManus Thomas Alice George
1906/C1815 Catherine McManus Thomas Alice George
1908/C2135 John Edward McManus Thomas Alice George
1911/C2279 Isabella Frances McManus Thomas Alice George
Thomas died Brisbane, 1925/B46576 Thomas McManus; Thomas McManus; Bridget Keogh
Alice died Brisbane, 1955/B9304 Alice McManus; David George; Elizabeth King.
Hope this may be of some help,
toadstool
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Most of the mcmanus family are buried in drum graveyard Athlone County Roscommon. Try googling drum middle graveyard.
Also regarding the school in athlone. The most likely school near the castle is the Dean kelly school