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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: whpool on Thursday 22 February 07 23:01 GMT (UK)
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Hi all, Trying to trace my dad's people. His mother was Jane Patterson who married William Ward [Hartlepool - he wasn't a traveller, but a very clever musical man who then took up with her way of life and went travelling in wagon]. I know my dad had lots of cousins tied up with Blackpool golden mile, [he called them the black faced uns]. Also his brother Dicky Ward married Lucy Keating [always went with fairs/circus - hot dog stall and hoopla stalls I think]. Any help in starting this 'tree' would be appreciated. I just wish I had taped all the stories my dad used to tell me, staying in villages and the locals talking about the gypsy children, he always said they weren't gypsys but travellers. Thanks a lot, whpool
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Do you have William and Jane's marriage cert? That will give their ages and their fathers' names, which will help us trace them back on censuses.
Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
PATTISON Jane
WARD William
Hartlepool 10a 235
Rambler
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they say they werent "Gypsies" but "Travellers" cos "Gypsies" is the Gorja description - a derogative of "Egyptians" - as they were originally described. (a fallacy, they came not out of Egypt but out of India as Romany language has its root in Sanskrit).
Many are those who prefer to be called simply "Travellers" today, to avoid what they percieve to be persecution.
To the romanies, "gypsy is the same as gyppo".
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Hi An65 - thanks for the note - my g.mother Lovinia Pattison was infact from romany stock, still living in wagons when she met my g.father William Ward [a gorje]. On my mothers side -her g.mother was Esmerelda Boswell who married a Ross. As a child we went to most north country fairs [Appleby, Brough etc] but always lived in a house, my father insisting we had an education as he was deprived of schooling - as most of them were. The problem I'm finding is that you can't really confirm their ages/dates!!! anyway , all very interesting. Thanks again
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You refer to your grandmother by 2 different names: Jane and Lovinia, so is this her birth registration?
Births Mar 1893 (>99%)
PATTISON Lavinia Jane
Guisbro' 9d 477
Rambler
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Hi Rambler, :)
Just to save you any confusion, it might help if you have a look at this:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,217234.0.html
There is also another link somewhere regarding the same family, here we are:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,217208.0.html
Hope you can help - I seem to have looked everywhere .. .. :-\
Kindest regards,
Pels
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Hi i think the jane pattison is my great grandads sister . My great grandad was william pattison known has billy the other siblings were,
Margaret known has maggie who married matthew elsworth
Jackie who married daisy not sure of her surname but shes from blackpool
Alfie who married martha heron known has sweetheart
Then my great grandad billy who married annie stephenson
And then jane known has aunt mot who married a ward from hartlepool
If its the same jane she had a son called frankie ward who i think married florrie lee
I have a photo of aunt mot but cant upload for the file is to big
There dad was called tommy pattison known has crying tommy who married nellie welsh
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Related thread;
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=217221.msg6601300
Annie
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Hello there Charlene - yes we're the same family. It's a while since I've done any more family history, your post just popped up today. I remember the King family - used to go to the different funerals with my dad Henry Ward. Still in touch with Aunt Sweethearts g.daughter Linda [via facebook]. Would like to see the pic of granny Mot if possible. xx
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There is this artcle in the newspapers 1922
"SAMUEL WARD, son of William and Lovinia Ward, who has lived Small Heath and afterwards at Rotherham, will communicate with the undersigned he will hear ..."
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?basicsearch=william%20an%20lovinia%20ward&retrievecountrycounts=false
If you register for free you could read it as one of your 3 free pages
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Does anyone know who thomas pattisons mother was before she was married
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Thomas Pattison marriage to Ellen (Nellie?) Welsh in Yorkshire North Riding Guisborough incase it can bring to light his age and parentage
Marriages Sep 1885
PATTISON Thomas Guisborough 9d 633
WELSH Ellen Guisborough 9d 633
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Hi, my great grandad was Jackie Patterson he married Sarah heron they had four children - pappy , ocky , sainy and Sonny boy (my grandad) now my grandads real name was William Patterson but everyone called him Sonny boy and it was my grandad Sonny that married Daisy heron from Blackpool :) my granny is still living now she is 85 this year and yes she said they used to call us the black faced uns
A little inbred our family lol as my granny daisys father was Amos heron (cardy) and he was full cousins to my grandad Sonny Patterson
Also all my lot spelled their name pattison rather then Patterson
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Crying Tommy Pattison mother was Lavinia swales