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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: RosieJ on Sunday 25 February 07 14:53 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help me find more information on Rowley Hall? My grandmother was born illegitimately in 1919 and taken into 'guardianship' by two Christian sisters. We know that she lived in varoius places in her childhood, one of which was Rowley Hall in Stafford. She used to talk about the 'naughty girls' who lived there and worked in the Laundry. Was this some kind of reformatory home for girls?
I have found information on Rowley Hall in the mid- to late 1880's but can't find much else into the 1900's.
Anything anyone can offer will be greatly appreciated! ;D
Rowena
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Hello,
For a some time from the thirties, Rowley Hall was used as an Approved School for girls. Since 1987 it has been a Private Hospital.
Handm
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Hi Rowena,
A couple of articles in the Times mention Rowley Hall.
Tues July 1st 1919
A Merchants Large Estate
Mr Reginald Blair Dobell, of Rowley Hall, Staffs, died on March 31st.
The testator gives to his wife during widowhood the use and enjoyment of Rowley Hall.
Mon January 17th 1938
Rowley Hall School Stafford
Head required for the above Approved (Home Office) school, accomodation for about 50 girls aged 15 to 17 on admission.
I couldn't find anything between these dates though... :-\
Mick :)
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Hi Handm and Mick :)
Thanks for info, it gives me a lead to follow!
Rowena
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Hi Rowena the following might be of some help
http://www.rowleyregis.com
Elaine
SORRY - I think I have wrong Rowley Hall
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Hi Elaine - thanks anyway! ;)
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I was at Rowley Hall circa 1970. It was a reformed school - designed to reform some young ladies! Did a great 'job' for me, very much value the experience in my adult life although at the time it was hard...
I did not derserve the placement (long story) and I have noticed that there is not much written about the time or circumstance. Please feel free to contact me if you would like any details...
Best wishes,
Wendy
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Hi Rowena
There's a smallish picture of the Hall at the following link
http://www.vivelifecare.co.uk/hospitals/rowley_hospital.aspx
Tony
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Dear Wendy,
Nice to see Rowley Hall Girls School mentioned . . I came across a few negatives the other day which showed the opening by Sir Thomas Salt of the school's new outdoor swimming pool in 1964 - would the pool have been in existence when you were there? And who were the head/teachers? I need the info for a newspaper article. :)
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Dear Terry,
Definitely no swimming pool 1969/70 which seems pretty odd if it had been built in 1964, only used for a short time? I wonder if an accident caused it's closure? If it was outdoors and put at the bottom of the large gardens at the rear of the mansion, it could be that the tennis courts replaced it. I can't think where it could have been except for there. There was a sixties type building addition called the school block, where we left the main house and had a very short stroll to the education block. Perhaps it was there at one time.
I can't quite recall the name of the head, but her deputy was Miss (*), a large lady who seemed to have a bit of trouble with mobility - us girls really took advantage of her slowness at catching us....
There were 4 'houses' (which were all designated a room) all colour coded, red, green, blue and yellow which had a 'house-mother'. Each house-mother would over-see about 8-10 girls. My house-mother was Miss (*), a very gentle, understanding woman. The only other staff I recall was the chef who came and went on a daily basis. There was also a wing to the house which was solitary confinement, it was awfull, a room with nothing except for a wooden 'bed' kept in place by two chains that supported it from the wall. I spent a couple of episodes in there after I had obsconded.
What newspaper are you writing the article for Terry? If you would like any contribution I would be happy to help with a few facts or purely my subjective recollections! I would also like to see the finished article! It seems to me that that anything to do with the place/era has all been forgotten or hushed..
Aside, good luck with your article and do get in touch if I can help further.
Best wishes Wendy.
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Dear Terry,
Definitely no swimming pool 1969/70 which seems pretty odd if it had been built in 1964, only used for a short time? I wonder if an accident caused it's closure? If it was outdoors and put at the bottom of the large gardens at the rear of the mansion, it could be that the tennis courts replaced it. I can't think where it could have been except for there. There was a sixties type building addition called the school block, where we left the main house and had a very short stroll to the education block. Perhaps it was there at one time.
I can't quite recall the name of the head, but her deputy was Miss (*), a large lady who seemed to have a bit of trouble with mobility - us girls really took advantage of her slowness at catching us....
There were 4 'houses' (which were all designated a room) all colour coded, red, green, blue and yellow which had a 'house-mother'. Each house-mother would over-see about 8-10 girls. My house-mother was Miss (*), a very gentle, understanding woman. The only other staff I recall was the chef who came and went on a daily basis. There was also a wing to the house which was solitary confinement, it was awfull, a room with nothing except for a wooden 'bed' kept in place by two chains that supported it from the wall. I spent a couple of episodes in there after I had obsconded.
What newspaper are you writing the article for Terry? If you would like any contribution I would be happy to help with a few facts or purely my subjective recollections! I would also like to see the finished article! It seems to me that that anything to do with the place/era has all been forgotten or hushed..
Aside, good luck with your article and do get in touch if I can help further.
Best wishes Wendy.
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I was an inmate at Rowley hall in 1965-67 there was definitely a swimming pool that had been built by the girls it was used by the staff I don't recall any of the girls using it when I was there. The deputy head was miss thornley I don't recall the heads name but she had a vicious dog called Rowley who was very menacing to the girls. The houses were st Patrick st David and st Christopher . I was in st Christopher's and the house mother was mrs (*) . We spent our time gardening with mr (*) who's wife was the house mother to st David's the staff had houses on the grounds. Miss (*) had a flat in the main building . We had to do their housework cooking and washing. Miss(*) was dirty smelly and cleaning her flat was awful. Mr (*) was strict but I liked him and enjoyed gardening he gave me a lot of responsibility mainly for the sweet peas that we sold locally I still love gardening and sweet peas. I learnt a lot at Rowley hall but it was a cruel place some of the staff were sadistic and it was designed to crush girls. I spent several periods in the nick a small room like a cell with bars on the window. You were locked in for several days. They maintained discipline with a system of priveledge so you could work your way up the system junior, intermediate , senior bullying was encouraged as a means of. Control. The girls were not criminals but victims of a society that didn't care other than to oppress them.
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I would like to find out more about my mother's stay here circa 1938 for two years. Does anyone know if any records were kept of the girls sent here for 'reform'?
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I went to rowleyhall Stafford in 1969-1971 my name is ann ross can anyone remember me. And does anyone no a corol from Dudley who was there. My nick name was fish fingers the makers name.
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I was an inmate at Rowley hall in 1965-67 there was definitely a swimming pool that had been built by the girls it was used by the staff I don't recall any of the girls using it when I was there. The deputy head was miss thornley I don't recall the heads name but she had a vicious dog called Rowley who was very menacing to the girls. The houses were st Patrick st David and st Christopher . I was in st Christopher's and the house mother was mrs (*) . We spent our time gardening with mr (*) who's wife was the house mother to st David's the staff had houses on the grounds. Miss (*) had a flat in the main building . We had to do their housework cooking and washing. Miss(*) was dirty smelly and cleaning her flat was awful. Mr (*) was strict but I liked him and enjoyed gardening he gave me a lot of responsibility mainly for the sweet peas that we sold locally I still love gardening and sweet peas. I learnt a lot at Rowley hall but it was a cruel place some of the staff were sadistic and it was designed to crush girls. I spent several periods in the nick a small room like a cell with bars on the window. You were locked in for several days. They maintained discipline with a system of priveledge so you could work your way up the system junior, intermediate , senior bullying was encouraged as a means of. Control. The girls were not criminals but victims of a society that didn't care other than to oppress them.
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Hi Rowena
There's a smallish picture of the Hall at the following link
http://www.vivelifecare.co.uk/hospitals/rowley_hospital.aspx (http://www.vivelifecare.co.uk/hospitals/rowley_hospital.aspx)
Tony
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I'm astounded I've found some people from Rowley Hall
I was there can't remember the year maybe 1963/4, but I was always absconding and getting brought back to be put in a straight jacket and locked up for days.
I also remember Miss Thornley, the cow to this day and the smell of her perfume. There was a girl in the bed next to me who was called something like Ann Marie, she had Curley hair.
We went to church just to pick up dog ends and roll them in Izal toilet paper ! I also remember doing exercises to Cilla Blacks 'anyone who had a heart' I think it was called.
I'd love to hear everyone's tales, my memories are few and far between
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I was in Rowley hall 1967/68 the dog Rowley was a dalmatian. I cannot say it was a good place and looking back to the time spent in that place makes me relize how some of the treatment was very cruel
Linda
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I am 65 now, but I have a vivid sad memory from about the summer of 1959/60. Walking back to St. Paul's primary school with some girl friends after having been home for lunch we saw 2 or 3 girls in green jacketed uniforms walking towards us and wondered what school they were from. Suddenly the girls froze and from behind us came 2 policemen who grabbed hold of the girls and put their arms up their backs. the one girl immediately cried out that she didn't want to go back, in a most pitiable voice, please I don't want to go back and the tears ran down her face as they were led away.
When I told my parents they said they were from Rowley hall naughty girls' home.
You didn't look naughty to me and I felt oh so sorry for you.
Whoever you are, 55 years later you are still on my mind.
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Does any one remember a young girl living or staying in Rowley Hall, name of Mavis Beasley or Pope. It would have been around 1956-58 possibly. May be deceased now??? She was a very good friend of mine who was suddenly whisked away. I can't say that she was a naughty girl, not in our eyes.
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I was an inmate at Rowley hall in 1965-67 there was definitely a swimming pool that had been built by the girls it was used by the staff I don't recall any of the girls using it when I was there. The deputy head was miss thornley I don't recall the heads name but she had a vicious dog called Rowley who was very menacing to the girls. The houses were st Patrick st David and st Christopher . I was in st Christopher's and the house mother was mrs (*) . We spent our time gardening with mr (*) who's wife was the house mother to st David's the staff had houses on the grounds. Miss (*) had a flat in the main building . We had to do their housework cooking and washing. Miss(*) was dirty smelly and cleaning her flat was awful. Mr (*) was strict but I liked him and enjoyed gardening he gave me a lot of responsibility mainly for the sweet peas that we sold locally I still love gardening and sweet peas. I learnt a lot at Rowley hall but it was a cruel place some of the staff were sadistic and it was designed to crush girls. I spent several periods in the nick a small room like a cell with bars on the window. You were locked in for several days. They maintained discipline with a system of priveledge so you could work your way up the system junior, intermediate , senior bullying was encouraged as a means of. Control. The girls were not criminals but victims of a society that didn't care other than to oppress them.
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Hi Rowena
There's a smallish picture of the Hall at the following link
http://www.vivelifecare.co.uk/hospitals/rowley_hospital.aspx (http://www.vivelifecare.co.uk/hospitals/rowley_hospital.aspx)
Tony
I was in Rowley hall 1967/68 the dog Rowley was a dalmatian. I cannot say it was a good place and looking back to the time spent in that place makes me relize how some of the treatment was very cruel
Linda
I was in Rowley hall.. I remember the beautiful staircase all in marble .. and the miserable staff... I was there around 1968 to 70.. would love to meet up with the girls again.. I was always running away from that place xx
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Was Rowley Hall ever used to house girls who got themselves pregnant by any chance. I have discovered that the friend I was looking for,Mavis Beasley?or Pope, may have had a child when she was under-age. But she was a good friend, and I would love to find out more about where she went when she left the Bilston area.