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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Glamorganshire => Wales => Glamorganshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: L L on Saturday 03 March 07 06:56 GMT (UK)
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Could anyone please help with a lookup for Annie Giles b. abt 1856 Cardiff, Glamorgan d. abt 1896. Also George Shellam b. abt 1854 Ely, Glamorgan d. 3 Oct 1906 whom she married.
I have a certificate of marriage that they married 20 Apr 1878. George was a Boilermaker living at 19 Alice Street Cardiff. His Father was Alfred Shellam - Shoemaker Deceased.
Annie was a Spinster living at 113 Bedford Street Cardiff. Her Father was Thomas Giles - Farm Bailiff.
I am trying to find enough information to go back another generation. I have no idea what Annie's Mother's name was other than Margaret. I know nothing about George's mother.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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these two seem to be very good at hiding, but I've found a couple of things.
George's birth registration
George Shellam march qtr 1855 Cardiff vol 11a pg 219
There is an Alfred Shellam in the area but too young to be George's father, but there is this one lodging in Chepstow in 1851 who looks a good bet
Back, Chepstow H0107/2443 folio 396 pg 58
Alfred Shellam unm 24 boot & shoemaker b. Woolaston, Glos
and his marriage registration
Alfred Shellam june qtr 1851 Chepstow vol 26 pg 53
There are 3 female names on the page - why couldn't they have married a few weeks earlier and been on the census together!
and possible death registration
Alfred Shellam june qtr 1862 Chepstow vol 11a pg 5
same quarter Bertha Shellam Chepstow vol 11a pg 6
no sign so far of Annie
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1861 Bullo Pill(?), Ruddle, Newnham, Glos RG9/1756 folio 112 pg 3
Alfred Shellam head mar 34 railway porter b. Woolaston
Mary Ann wife 32 b. Chepstow
Amanda dau 7 scholar b. Glam, Ely
George son 6 scholar b. Newnham
Alfred son 3 b. Newnham
Bertha dau 1 b. Newnham
Jane sister 23 b. Woolaston
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Amanda's birth was registered Chepstow, so birth places for these 2 wrong way around possibly?
Amanda Mary Shellam sept qtr 1853 Chepstow vol 11a pg 9
The bad news is that Mary Ann's maiden name was Jones from marriage ref I gave you above. Also, I'm not finding the family in 1871. I thought I'd found a re-marriage for Mary Ann in Chepstow, and although she's in Cardiff for the 1871, she's younger and no sign of any Shellams in the house.
But I have found some more generations
1841 Brookend, Wollastone, Glos H0107/369/6 folio 14 pg 3
George Shillam 40 shoemaker
Jane 40
Alfred 14
George 5
Amanda 10
Jane 3
Martha 90
all except Martha born in county.
I was searching for anyone called Shellam anywhere in 1871 and spotted George in Woolaston - cordwainer and postmaster, and was pleased when this census makes it look like the right man. :D
As for the Giles family, I'm beginning to think that Ann might have exaggerated her father's occupation. There is this family in 1861
Cardiff St Mary RG9/4034 folio 72 pg 14
Thomas Giles head mar 34 coal dealer b. Llantrisant
Margaret wife 33 b. Pendoylan
David son 6 b. Cardiff
Hannah dau 3 b. Cardiff
Margaret dau 2 b. Cardiff
Thomas son 1 b. Cardiff
Abbey Hanton servant 23
can't read the address possbily east something. The family don't seem ever so keen on registering the births of their children either. I did spot the marriage
Thomas Giles dec qtr 1852 Cardiff vol 11a pg 315 on same page Margaret Davies - oh no, double whammy :(
I've found this family in 1871, but no Hannah/Annie with them - no death registered either so still possible. Thomas is now a labourer. RG10/5362 folio 114 pg 33 at 33 Frederick Street A*c*t*y has them as Gales, but it's Giles on the census itself. haven't spotted them in 1881 either. :-\
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Amanda Mary Shellam baptised 25/9/1853 daughter of Alfred (publican) and Mary Ann of Bridge St, Chepstow.
Possible baptism for Mary Ann Jones 12/10/1828 daughter of William (shipwright) and Mary of Chapel Lane, Chepstow. She's the only Mary Ann I can see around that time, but there's at least one Maria and she might not have been baptised in the established church. Marriage cert would confirm father.
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Thank you so much. They never make it easy it seems. This is definately worth chasing down. I am not sure that the last Annie is mine as her father is Thomas Giles. Alfred was George Shellam's father. They seem to disappear and reappear.
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sorry, don't follow you. The father in this Giles family is called Thomas. I haven't spotted an Annie with father Thomas other than this one on the census as Hannah. Can't see a Thomas Giles who is a farm bailiff either, with or without correct daughter. There's an Ann who is a few years older whose father is John and a farmer but she gives her pob as Llantrisant, not Cardiff.
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You are so right, after reading that I do not even follow it. I have been staring at these names too long!
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Oh my Gosh. Now that I have the cobwebs out of my head I just heard bells go off. I have a marriage cert that was in a box of family papers for a Mary Ann Shellam. I had no clue who she was until now. The marriage cert is from 1864 Parish Church, in the Parish of Chepstow, county of Monmouth. It states 29 Mar 1864 Joseph White age 24 - Bachelor, Boilermaker, residence Chepstow, father Henry White - Carpenter married Mary Ann Shellam age 30 Widow residence Chepstow father Seth Jones. Mary Ann was a Jones at birth and her father was Seth. This is also her second marriage. I am forever indepted as you have helped connect some dots that I would never have been able to on my own. Mary Ann remarried after Alfred died. She was young enough to have had more children so there are possibly other siblings that I was not even aware of. Unfortunately she had to pick a last name that is going to make this challenging. But at least we know her father was Seth which is one step further.
Lydia
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aah! That's the marriage I found and then found her in Cardiff in 1871 - she evidently married a toy-boy and removed a few years from her age when possible - 32 on the 1861 census and 30 when she remarried 3 years later! I'll go find the details again. ;D
Wonder where the little Shellams are? :-\
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here you go
1871 1 Harrowby St, Cardiff St Mary RG10/5360 folio 16 pg 17
Joseph White head mar 31 boilermaker b. Glos, Marshfield
Mary Ann White wife 38 dressmaker b. Chepstow
Henry son 3 scholar b. Cardiff
can't see them in 1881 and still can't find other Shellams, but I'll have another look.
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marriage from Freebmd
Amanda Mary Shellam march qtr 1879 Cardiff 11a pg 323 to either Isaac Heal or George Gerrish.
still can't find her in 1871 or 1881!
I thought they might be with Alfred's sister jane who was living with them in 1861 but she married Henry Imm june qtr 1862 and their family is in Lydney in 1871 RG10/5296 folio 105 pgs 32-3 with older sister Amanda.
no sign of Alfred aged 3 in 1861 either ???
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Newer saw the age difference in the second marriage until you pointed it out. She was a lady ahead of her time. Children from her first marriage ; Amanda and George now both have marriages. I now know how George became a Boilermaker as the second husband had that as his occupation on the 1871. We also do have at least one child from marriage number two with Joseph. I now understand how people can become so fascinated and passionate about tracing down their history. It is better then watching a good movie as you have no idea what twist or turn you are taking until you find it.
Lydia
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Have been checking out the Shillam (Shellam) family in Woolaston for the descendant of another branch of the family - though sure they must be related.
However, the ones posted on this site seem to be descendants of Daniel and Martha whose son George Lodge Shillam was baptised 25 November 1798.
Not sure when Daniel died, but Martha was buried 29 December 1844.
(Incidentally in the 1828 Rector's Census George was able to read Bible and Testament!)
Have not come across George and Jane's son Alfred's baptism, but Amanda was 31 October 1830, Mary Ann 2 September 1832 (buried 11 September 1833), George 10 January 1836 and Jane 5 November 1837.
Mother Jane may have been buried 29 December 1844, and George Lodge ended up at Chepstow Union Workhouse and was buried 24 March 1877 with age given as 84.
Still not sure where the Shillams came from before they moved to Woolaston.
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Thank you! That is the same family. Any idea what Martha's or Jane's maiden names were?
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So far drawn a blank with Martha - all the 1841 census says is that she came from 'out of county'.
Will try and have another look for Jane.
The Shillums are a bit confusing at this time because there are up to three Daniels who suddenly appear in Woolaston at the end of the eighteenth century - and no hint where any of them came from!
Brigid
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I was having fun just with the last name spelling variations! I have inherited boxes of family files from my Father-in-law who was the family genealogist. Even on the handwritten trees the last name changes from Shellam to Shillam to Shellum. Makes it even more challenging.
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Just a quick note to say I think I may be on the trail of Martha! I'd forgotten someone had found some other information for me - will be back once I've sorted it out!
Brigid
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Apparently a Daniel Shillam married a Martha Lodge in Blakeney on 5th August 1797, and as George Lodge was baptised in November 1798 that seems to fit. If her age at date of burial was correct, she was certainly a pretty 'elderly' mother. But it would explain why no more children after him!
I'll try and remember to check out the marriage when I next go to Gloucester and see if there are any more clues.
'Shillam' was spelt every which way in the Woolaston registers too, but then that appears to be the case with most surnames. I suppose when few could even write their own name, the person making the entry just made an 'educated' guess!
Brigid
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Have just realised I didn't give Martha's supposed age at death .... 95!
Brigid
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Wow. There are some very good genes on that side of the family! If you are interested in any of the tree I have please let me know and I will send you the file.
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Yes, I would be very interested. And I can let you have details of the other Woolaston Shillums too. If only I can connect the Daniels - surely they must be cousins, just too much of a coincidence otherwise - then both you and Mark would be able to add another branch to your trees.
Brigid