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Looking for George Mills b. 1835/36 Somerset living cardiff occup- Blacksmith.
Wife- Elizabeth nee? b.1835/36 pontypool /monmouth
1881 census living Llandaff.
between 1861 and 1885 11 children.
any help please
thank you
cardiff
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I have had a look on the 1861 Glamorgan census but I cannot see a match to your George Mills. The only Somerset born George Mills is this one:
Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD
4081 1861 CENSUS OF ABERAVON. R.G.9/4081, E.D.8.
Piece: 4081 Folio: 072 Schedule: 244
Address: CHURCH ST.
MILLS GEORGE HD M 39 FRUITERER
SOM BRISTOL (c1822)
MILLS SARAH WI M 39 FRUITERER
DEN RUTHIN (c1822)
MILLS CHARLES SO - 9 SCHOLAR
CMN LLANELLI (c1852)
MILLS MARIA DA - 7 SCHOLAR
GLA ABERAVON (c1854)
MILLS GEORGE SO - 6 SCHOLAR
GLA ABERAVON (c1855)
MILLS JOHN SO - 1 -
GLA ABERAVON (c1860)
There were 8 matches to the name in 1861.
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hi
I have them on the 1881 census as the following ..
George Mills aged 45 birth place cardiff on the 1891 census gives birth place as Cheddar .. slightly confused there..
Elizabeth Mills aged 44 b Cardiff 1891 census gives pontypool.
they are the same family due to names ages and places of birth.
1881 census children..
Mary Mills 19 b.cardiff
thomas aged 17 b. cardiff
john 15 b cardiff
arthur 13 b. cardiff
gwendoline aged 8 b. cardiff
george 6 b.cardiff
Helina mills3 b.cardiff
herbert mills 2 b.cardiff
1881 address given as 18 parkfield place llandaff
1891 address 62 ferris row Gabalfa
Jen could you look up them with place of birth cardiff.
Many thanks
cardiff
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Hello again :D Here are all the George Mills in Glamorganshire:
Glamorgan Family History Society 1861 Census CD
4086 027 093 GREEN COURT MILLS GEORGE SO - 3 GLA NEATH
4102 117 118 UNION STREET 18 MILLS GEORGE SO - 5 GLA SWANSEA
4081 072 244 CHURCH ST. MILLS GEORGE SO - 6 GLA ABERAVON
4066 068 217 RACHEL ST.16 MILLS GEORGE HD M 24 CMN ST.CLEARS
4039 012 098 LLYSTALYBONT MILLS GEORGE HD M 27 DEV SHEBER [SHEBBEAR]
4102 077A180 RODNEY STREET 94 MILLS GEORGE HD M 38 DOR WHITECHURCH
4081 072 244 CHURCH ST. MILLS GEORGE HD M 39 SOM BRISTOL
4051 070 344 ASH ROAD 16 MILLS GEORGE HD M 44 PEM HAVERFORDWEST
I cannot see an entry which matches for this couple / family :-\
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Thanks for looking Jen
cheers cardiff
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Hello
My Great Great Grandfather was George Mills. b. Shebbear, Devon. He was the Blacksmith who lived in Llystalybont, Cardiff. His son was Stephen Mills was my Great Grandfather. Stephen was the fireman who lived in the Fire House on North Road, Maindy
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Well hello
I did this family for a friend.will have to look up info . back in a mo
cheers cardiff :D
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Hi
Stephen had a younger sister Helena Maud Mills b1877 she married William Henry Hodder date 1900
they had son wiliam henry Hodder 1910 who had a daughter who I am friendly with.
Do you have all the info on the Mills family ? If you don't I willing to share info that I have found.
Have the family up to 1911 so did not know that stephen became a fireman.
cheers cardiff ;D
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My Great Grandfather Stephen Arthur Leonard Mills is not listed up there on the 1881 census. I found on FamilySearch.org that he was baptised 7 June 1868 in Llandaff. I guess by 1881 he had left home. The only name I know on the 1881 census you have listed is Gwendoline, my Grandfather's aunty. She was my Great Aunty Gwen who ran a chemist shop in Wembley with her hubby Leslie. Helina is probably Great Aunt Hettie who I met only once. She had a guest house in Douglas, Isle of Man.
I am going to have to call my aunty later to see if she can shed some light on all these names.
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HI
Does this help
I have thew Mills family of devon and cardiff
cardiff mills
1881 census
George 45
Elizabeth 44
William 21
Mary 19
Thomas 17
John 15
Arthur 13
Charles 11
Gwendoline 8
George 6
helena 3
Herbert 2 sadly he died 1884 aged 4yrs
The following christened
Catherine Sophia Mills 11 Aug 1861 Llandaff
Mary Elizabeth mills 11 aug 1861
Thomas Andrew Fowler Mills 1st oct 1863 Llandaff
John Henry Mills 19Nov 1865 llandaff
Stephen Arthur leonard Mills 7th June 1868 Llandaff
Charles edward Mills 22 aug 1869 llandaff
Gwendoline Jane Mills 24 Nov 1872
thats the only christenings found.
George Mills =m= Elizabeth Palmer 16th Aug 1857 Reg Office Neath
george 21 yrs bachelor coal miner residence at time Pontrhydyfen no father entered
Elizabeth 19yrs spinster residence Melincrythan father George Palmer Lab
In 1861 census family living Cardiff George is a smith they have a daughter Catherine sophia born Neath
does this help
cheers cardiff ;)
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WOW! You do know your stuff. I'm well impressed.
I don't understand the West Wales connection (work maybe?). I did come up with some Neath connections ages ago but dismissed it.
Sorry I just realised I wrongly wrote about Gwendoline and Helina. I have no knowledge of either. I was mixing them up with Stephen's children, my grandad's sisters. They were great aunts Flo and Hettie.
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Does this help
1871 census RG10 p5366 f 32 p13
55 North Rd gabalfa
George Mills 35 blacksmith b devon
Elizabeth wife 35 b Pontypool
William 11 erran boy b Cathays cardif
Mary elizabeth 10 b Maindy
Thomas 7
john Henry 5 b maindy
Stephen 3yrs b Maindy
charles Edward Mills 1 b Maindy
I have the Palmer family also if you want it.
cheers cardiff
cheers cardiff
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That's brilliant thank you. I'd love to know of the Palmer family.
There's absolutely loads of photos of the Mills family. I don't know who has them now. I'll have to ask my aunty.
By the way. A woman wrote an article in the Cardiff Post some years ago. She said she remembered Stephen as the fireman. All the kids used to sing a song called "Here comes Captain Mills" This would have been in the 1920's
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H again
THe Neath connection Elizabeth Mills nee; Palmer b Pontypool Monmouth
her parents- George Palmer b Devon mother Catherine Davies m= 29th March 1827 Swansea (This is a possible match)
Catherine b Colwinston Glamorgan
their children this 1851 census
Sophia b1830 dressmaker b pontypool
George b 1834 Pontypool
william 1836 pontypool
elizabeth b 1841
By 1861 George has passed away
Catherine now living with son george in Neath
Catherine in 1871 is a lodger aged 74.
Belive she then came to her daughter Elizabeth and died 1st qtr of 1874 in cardiff
Her Daughter Sohia married William John and he was a curate odf Aberdare in 1871 and in 1881 lived at the vicarage in Cowbridge rd Ely
But sadly in the 2nd qtr of 1873 Sophia passed away , william died between 1891 and 1901 their son trevor became a mason.
The son George did marry and became a manager of a brickworks in brecon I have him up to 1891 but don't see him after that
Thats all I know
cheers cardiff :D
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Hi the interesting thing is my friend has not see all this info as yet have not got round to explaining it all. so this is a big extra bit a living relative!
Once you have taken things in contact me again and I will go through thing .Will send you my e-mail address through the personal messages so we can contact each other.
cheers cardiff ;D
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Your friend's father William Henry Hodder would be my Granddad's cousin. He was Albert Clifford Mills, born 1894. He died in Grangetown, Cardiff in 1963 when I was 7 but I remember him well.
I've tried to post 2 photos but it looks as though it's been disabled here.
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Hello - I believe I am the Great Great Great Grandson of the George Mills you are looking for. My string of the family stayed in Cardiff and are still there today, although the Mills name has sadly disappeared from our string because Leonard Arthur Mills (my Grandfather and George's Great Grandson) had four daughters, all of whom married.
According to our records, George and Elizabeth had a son called William R.G. Mills (circa 1860), who had a son - Arthur Leonard Mills (circa 1890) , who had a son - Leonard Arthur Mills, who had a daughter - Linda Joyce Mills (1952), my Mum. :)
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Hello MattCardiff
Lovely to meet you. I guess we are cousins many times removed as I'm the Great Great Great Granddaughter of George . The names Arthur and Leonard do occur a lot within the family. Do you have any idea who George's father was? It's puzzled me for a long time now.
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Great to meet you too - Always good to meet a new family member! :)
So what's your connection? Who of George's children are you related to?
According to our records (my mother did most of the research). George was the son of William Mills (a shoemaker born circa 1801 and his wife, Rebecca). He in turn was the son of another William Mills (born circa 1776 and married to Ann).
Yes, Arthur and Leonard do seem popular. My middle name is Leonard after my Grandfather. Hated it as a child, but quite proud of it now.
Would love to know more about your side of the family.
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I have George born approx. 1855 - his mother's name as Betsy. They were from Shebbear, Devon. Betsy married John Pierce or Pearce. Hence I am wondering what happened to George's father.
I'm related to George's son 'Stephen Arthur Leonard George' (My GG Grandfather) born 1868 - I think he went by the name of Arthur. He had a son Albert Clifford who was my grandad. My father's middle name was Leonard too. The only family member still alive is Aunty Betty (Lillian Elizabeth) who is almost 90 and is Albert Clifford's daughter.
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How interesting! We had the Shebbear, Devon connection too, although we had him born a little earlier (1834ish) and his wife down as Elizabeth (Betsy???) and his mother as Rebecca (although that could also be Betsy I suppose - we don't know much about her at all, so Rebecca could even be wrong).
I'm sure we are talking about the same George - certainly the Arthur Leonard name similarities would be an odd coincidence. I'll go back and verify the information I had with my Mother, who did most of the up front research.
Unfortunately, my Grandfather (Leonard Arthur Mills) died before I was born. However, longevity is clearly in the family as his sisters (Gwen and Eileen) lived well into their 90s and his brother is still alive apparently, but we aren't in contact with him (they were close as boys, but had a falling out in later years apparently - he now lives in Dubai I think).
Leonard died from a heart condition that he picked up at sea during WW2. So there aren't really any more living relatives that we can go to. Leonard's wife (my Gran) is still alive, but we've already milked her of her Mills family knowledge. :)
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Definitely the same George. He lived in the North Road area of Cardiff and yes was married to Elizabeth. I have a few addresses for him. It's the Betsy as his mother with no father then getting a step-father that has perplexed me.
Check out this thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=63869.new;topicseen#new
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Interesting - Yes, I see William R G Mills (my great great grandfather - I think) was your Stephen's brother. Although I didn't know William was an Errand Boy in his early days. He ended up as a Commercial Agent living on Major Road in Cardiff.
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Yes William was Stephen's older brother. I saw that William ended up a grocer. Stephen was the fireman on North Road ... there's a plaque on the house saying "The Fire Station". I would love to knock the door to ask the residents how they know of the history but have never got around to it.
Major Road eh? I reckon that would have been like the other side of Wales from Llandaff/Cathays in those days.
Do you have old photographs? There's loads I remember from a kid but I don't know who has them now. I keep meaning to ask my Aunty but always forget about it. I remember some of the faces in the photos but it's all very vague.
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Hi
just picked up this connection, hope you are both relating to the info I gave earlier in this subject. I have info of the family .... did family history for...see earlier info, away on hols at present...
cheers cardiff
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Hi Cardiff
Yes it is hence I put the link to the other thread with all the other info you had posted. Hope you're enjoying your hols
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I think my Gran may have some photos. But they may only go back to Arthur Mills (William RG's son) generation. Not sure we'll have anything further back. Would probably not know if we did anyway as we've got no one to ask.
BTW - My grandfather's name was Leonard William Mills, not Leonard Arthur.
You should knock on the Fire Station door. That sounds fascinating. They may have some records.
Arthur Leonard Mills, William RG's son was a railway worker and his name is on a plaque in the bay listing the railway workers who served in WW1.
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hi I am a Mills-my son e mailed me and put me on to this forum.i have done quite a bit of research-and have traced theMills family back to 1776-William and Ann Mills.
1801-Son William born-marries Rebecca-born 1811 in Peters Marland-Devon.
George -born 1834-moved to Cardiff and became a grocers assistant living at 87 May Street.Had lots of children including my Great Gd Father-William R G.
As my son said-sadly our strain of the Mills name has died out-often wondered if there are any Mills' in Cardiff-related to us.
one of William R Gs grandsons (through a daughter-so not a Mills)-Bill-was a Tory councellor for many years for the Canton ward.
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Hello cyncoedgirl
Well that makes us cousins too. George became a Blacksmith later and lived in Llys Talybont. I'm guessing that's the old cottage off North Road.
Oh dear a Tory in the family - that's anathema to me.
I think it is only my aunty who is a Mills (she is almost 90) is left from the early days.
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Hi All, sorry to post to an old thread but just wondered if anyone was still working on this line?
I have just spent a week in Devon researching at the record offices in Barnstaple and Exeter and have got back as far as George Mill and Margery Copp who were the parents of William (Copp) Mills, husband of Rebecca Walter and father of George Mills who ended up in Cardiff.
Let me know if anyone still interested as it would be good to swap notes.
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Hello Pete,
The original poster Cardiff was last online on 2nd Sept,but he should be notified of another post on this thread and I'm sure he'll soon come back to you about it.
Welcome to Rootschat by the way ;D
Carol
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Hi Carol, thanks for your reply. Very useful forum.
ATB
Pete
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Hi pete
I did a family history on the Mills for a friend and what you have found does tie in , what I remember. I am out of country at mo but if you want more info will have to look it up for you, But not sure if passed all info to friend.
Send me personal message in October to remind me.
cheers cardiff :)
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Hi Cardiff, thanks for the info. I am pretty sure the records that I now have are correct, just wondered if anyone had managed to get further back than Geroge Mill and Margery Copp. I did manage to get back two further generations on Margery's side, to William Copp and Margery Hutchins, then John Copp and Hester Bunbury, if your friend is interested.
ATB, Pete.
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Sorry seem to have replied before to this forum..........a few years ago, ignore the latest post.