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Title: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: jnws on Wednesday 07 March 07 19:52 GMT (UK)
I am trying to trace descendants of two members of the McLean family who emigrated to the US in the early 1900s.

Matilda McLean  - single - aged 17  of Castlebar  sailed on the ss. Magestic  from Queenstown (Cobh Co. Cork) and arrived in New York on 3rd April 1902
Matilda  returned to Ireland at some stage because there is a second record of her travelling to the US - this time as a "non immigrant alien"   when she sailed on the ss Etruria from Queenstown arriving on 16 th Sept 1908.. Her address was given as 343 w 45 street, New York and her occupation was Stenographer.

Martha E. McLean aged 17  sailed on the ss Germanic which sailed from Queenstown (Cobh Co. Cork) and arrived in New York on 25th May 1900. She was going to her cousin Mearson(?) 36 (or 56) Walnut Street, Oneonta, New York

There is a second record of Martha arriving at New York on 25th August 1909 aboard the ss Caronia which sailed from Queenstown. The ship's manifest shows that she had already been in US from 1900 to 1909 and that she was visiting her sister Matilda Hol(y)inger of 742, St Nicholas Avenue, New York.

Any help or information woudl be very welcome
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: leprechaun on Thursday 08 March 07 18:26 GMT (UK)
 Hi jnws.
 Joseph McLean 65 Farmer B 1836
 Susan     "        45  Wife    B 1856
Matilda     "       16  Dau:   B 1885
Joseph     "       14   son   B  1887
John        "        12   son   B  1889
David      "         10  son   B   1891
Robert     "         7   son   B   1894
Arthur     "          2   son  B    1899.

Co, Mayo Parish Turlough.
Martha by this time would be in the U.S.A.
                               Lep
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: jnws on Thursday 08 March 07 19:45 GMT (UK)
Lep

Many thanks for your speedy reply.
I've got a summary of the 1901 Census which shows that detail  but again thanks for the offer of the info

John
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: leprechaun on Thursday 08 March 07 21:12 GMT (UK)
 Your welcome John, have you tried the church in the parish the children were born to see if they have any records.
                           Lep.
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: jnws on Thursday 08 March 07 22:30 GMT (UK)
I know where the parents were married - Turlough Presbyterian Church in Co. Mayo abt 1880-1882 and the area where I think the home farm was - Capparanny in Co. Mayo.
At some stage, I'll get there and see what I can find. It's the US side that interests me - where did the sisters finish up ?

Rgds
John
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Pat Reid on Friday 09 March 07 02:56 GMT (UK)
Hi John:
Looks like Martha took over Matilda's place on 45th street.
In 1910 census it shows:
343 West 45th street, Manhattan
Martha E. McLean   Lodger, single,  27,  Born ireland, To US in 1900   stenographer in Broker's office

Very similar to Matilda but I double checked it.

Pat
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: jnws on Friday 09 March 07 06:37 GMT (UK)
Pat
Many thanks - this is excellent. It looks like Martha maybe took not only the place but maybe the job ?
Rgds
John
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Willie08 on Sunday 08 October 17 01:11 BST (UK)
Hello,
I am looking for information on their father Joseph McLean's mother and father.
I am a descendant of Martha and Matilda's brother William.  I am traveling to Ireland in January, 2018 and am hoping to locate any family that might still be there, even though I realize that most had immigrated to the US.
Any information is appreciated.
Thank you
Sheila
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 08 October 17 07:46 BST (UK)
Welcome to RootsChat Sheila
Just posting the Census so we can see who was in the family.
1901 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Turlough/Capparanny/1585359/
1911 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Turlough/Capparanny/717783/
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 08 October 17 07:52 BST (UK)
Joseph died 1920, son Robert was the informant
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1920/05115/4406593.pdf
And Susan died in 1932 again Robert was the informant
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1932/04883/4321680.pdf
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 08 October 17 09:56 BST (UK)
Robert appears to have died in 1960
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1960/04332/4119423.pdf
married, so it is possible there are descendants.
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 08 October 17 10:01 BST (UK)
Married Maria Brewster in 1926 registered Westport
Computer acting up so can't post link just now.
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: dathai on Sunday 08 October 17 14:16 BST (UK)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Clogher/Clogher/745428/

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1926/09132/5302903.pdf

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Clogher/Clogher/1603828/
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 08 October 17 15:43 BST (UK)
Looking at a list on Ancestry after 1911
1 Martha to New York
2 Matilda to New Jersey
3 Joseph to New York
4 John to ?
5 David to ?
6 Robert to ? we found he stayed at home
7 Arthur to ?
This was dated 2010, has any more been found on the family.
1911 give 9 children 8 living so two names missing.
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 08 October 17 15:47 BST (UK)
There was a William born 1880
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02858/2047127.pdf
and Eliza 1883
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02731/2004327.pdf
James 1882
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02789/2023827.pdf
Could Martha and Eliza be the same person!
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Owenwee on Sunday 08 October 17 21:56 BST (UK)
 Willie 08

Robert Mclean died 21st Sept 1960 at the mental hospital Castlebar, where he had been a patient for some months.

His wife Maria McLean died in tragic circumstances on the 10th June 1960 at her home in Capparanny, there were no family.

Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 08 October 17 22:11 BST (UK)
Ah poor Maria
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1960/04341/4122743.pdf
The hospital must not have know she had died earlier the same year.
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Owenwee on Sunday 08 October 17 22:25 BST (UK)
James  Mclean b 1882

Church  record for Martha Elizabeth is April 1883, the Civil record is listed as Elizabeth  in May 1883 so most likely the same person.
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Willie08 on Tuesday 10 October 17 03:25 BST (UK)
Such great information and a willingness to contribute. Thank you.
I've found that Joseph and Susan (Beckett) McLean had 9 children. The youngest passed away at age 2. 
The 9 were recorded as:
William - 1880
Eliza - 1883 ( likely Elizabeth)
Matilda - 1885
Joseph- 1887
John- 1889
David- 1891
Robert Andrew- 1893
Arthur- 1899
I am a descendant of William. I am most interested in going back further to find out who Joseph senior's parents are and where he was born in 1836. I'm also interested in finding out more about Joseph senior's wife Susan Beckett. Where she was born ( approx 1856) and where and who her parents were.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Sheila
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 10 October 17 09:14 BST (UK)
They married 1879
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kv0/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kv1/
You could get a copy of the marriage cert for €4
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do

Owenwee had access to Martha Elizabets Baptisim somewhere so may have seen the marriage as well.
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 10 October 17 09:14 BST (UK)
 Marriage of SUSANNAH BECKETT
in 1869
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Swinford
Returns Year   1869
Returns Quarter   1
Returns Volume No   4
Returns Page No   507
Marriage of SUSAN BECKETT
in 1871
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Castlebar
Returns Year   1871
Returns Quarter   1
Returns Volume No   9
Returns Page No   59
Marriage of SUSAN BECKETT
in 1879
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Castlebar
Returns Year   1879
Returns Quarter   3
Returns Volume No   4
Returns Page No   47
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 10 October 17 09:15 BST (UK)
They married 1879
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kv0/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kv1/
You could get a copy of the marriage cert for €4
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/i-want-to-get-a-copy-of-a-certificate-what-do-i-do


Possibly

Marriage of SUSAN BECKETT
in 1879
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Castlebar
Returns Year   1879
Returns Quarter   3
Returns Volume No   4
Returns Page No   47

Our posts crossed...
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 10 October 17 09:19 BST (UK)
 Birth, Marriage and Death results for Beckett of Castlebar

Displaying results 1 - 75 of 75.   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01kv2/
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Owenwee on Tuesday 10 October 17 20:02 BST (UK)
Parish/District Turlough 1879 Marriage

Joseph Mclean                               Susan Beckett
Turlough Full age                           Ballyguin     aged 20
Presbyterian                                  Presbyterian
Father William McLean Farmer        Father James Beckett
Witness Isacc and Agnes Beckett

Susan Beckett  bap Feb 1856 was the daughter of James Beckett and Elizabeth McAdam.
One of 11 children I find bap records for.

If you look at the Irish Census of 1901 in Ballyguin Turlough   James is listed as a widower with  his younger children, Elizabeth McAdam Beckett his wife  died 15th Dec 1896  you can view the death cert online, under Castlebar Dist, James Beckett died 19 Feb 1909 see online cert

The 9 children you mention of Joseph Mclean, Martha-Elizabeth she was also known as Elizabeth, the missing child from your list is James b 1881

If you do an engine search on Beckett Family Ballyguin  there are a few  Trees that have been compiled one is from the original poster of this thread. 
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Owenwee on Tuesday 10 October 17 20:29 BST (UK)
 Turlough Parish/Dist

Marriage 12 Mar 1850

James Beckett                           Elizabeth McAdam
Miller Farmer age 24                   Address  Ballyguin
 Address Mohina
Father Isaac Beckett                    Father James McAdam
Miller Farmer                               Miller Farmer

Looks like James Beckett moved to his wifes Townland of Ballyguin, although both a William Beckett and a James McAdam appear in the Griffiths Val Lists in Ballyguin.
Mohina  will actually be the Townland of Moyhenna, Kildacommogh,  listed in Griffiths is Isaac Beckett.
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 10 October 17 20:43 BST (UK)
Quote from another thread.... Ballyguin/Turlough/Castlebar/Mohina

Beckett was my maiden name too, but we were RC not Church of Ireland.  However I checked it up for some of these Becketts on their request.

The Becketts owned 3 mills in the area, and the ruins of one still stand near Parke.  Most lived in the Turlough area, but there were some in Spencer Street in Castlebar and a branch in Ballina, the last of who passed away approx 4 years ago.  - Frank Beckett.  In Ballina there are still some areas named after Becketts as they had a big business in the centre of town - Isacc Becketts.
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 10 October 17 22:05 BST (UK)
SUSAN4 BECKETT (JAMES3, ISAAC2, SON1) was born Abt. 1855 in Ballyguin, Turlough, Co., Mayo, Ireland, and died in Capparanny, Turlough, Co., Mayo, Ireland.  She married JOSEPH MCLEAN Abt. 1884.  He was born Abt. 1836, and died in Capparanny, Turlough, Co., Mayo, Ireland.
 
JOSEPH MCLEAN: In the 1901 Census- the children listed were:
MATILDA  MCLEAN, b. Abt. 1885, Capparanny; d. Unknown, New Jersey.
JOSEPH MCLEAN, b. Abt. 1887, Capparanny; d. Unknown, New York.
JOHN MCLEAN, b. Abt. 1889, Capparanny; d. Unknown
DAVID MCLEAN, b. Abt. 1890, Capparanny; d. Unknown
ROBERT MCLEAN, b. Abt. 1894, Capparanny; d. Unknown; m. Miss BREWSTER
ARTHUR MCLEAN, b. Abt. 1899, Capparanny; d. Unknown
MARTHA MCLEAN, b. Unknown, Capparanny; d. Unknown, New York
JAMES MCLEAN, b. Unknown, Capparanny; d. Unknown, New Zealand
 
JOSEPH MCLEAN and SUSAN BECKETT: Marriage: Abt. 1884
 
Children of SUSAN BECKETT and JOSEPH MCLEAN are:
 i. MARTHA5 MCLEAN, b. Capparanny, Turlough, Co., Mayo, Ireland; d. New York, USA.
 ii. JAMES MCLEAN, b. Capparanny, Turlough, Co., Mayo, Ireland; d. New Zealand.
 iii. MATILDA MCLEAN, b. Abt. 1885, Capparanny, Turlough, Co., Mayo, Ireland; d. New Jersey, USA.
Also Known: Tilly
 iv. JOSEPH MCLEAN, b. Abt. 1887, Capparanny, Turlough, Co., Mayo, Ireland; d. New York, USA.
 v. JOHN MCLEAN, b. Abt. 1889, Capparanny, Turlough, Co., Mayo, Ireland.
 vi. DAVID MCLEAN, b. Abt. 1890, Capparanny, Turlough, Co., Mayo, Ireland.
 vii. ROBERT MCLEAN, b. Abt. 1894, Capparanny, Turlough, Co., Mayo, Ireland; m. MISS BREWSTER.
 viii. ARTHUR MCLEAN, b. Abt. 1899, Capparanny, Turlough, Co., Mayo, Ireland.

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ID: I1651
Name: HOLLINGER
Sex: M
Marriage 1 Matilda (Tilly) MCLEAN b: ABT 1885 in Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo, Ireland ?

    Married: BET SEP 1908 AND SEP 1909 in New York
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=scott%2Drichards&id=I1651
 
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 10 October 17 22:22 BST (UK)
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Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Willie08 on Wednesday 11 October 17 05:14 BST (UK)
Thank you all fir the additional information. Greatly appreciated. I feel one step closer!
Contributer 'Owenewee', you have provided information that Joseph sr's father's name was William. Do you know Joseph's mother's name? Where dud you find William's information?
There is more information on Beckett for sure. Thank you for providing Susan Beckett's parents names and additional information.
I hope to find out if Joseph sr ( son of William and x) had any siblings? That might be a thread that could lead me to hopefully a McLean relative in Ireland.
Any other information is appreciated.
Sheila
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Willie08 on Thursday 12 October 17 06:47 BST (UK)
Thank you 👍😊
Title: Re: Matilda and Martha McLean of Capparanny, Turlough, Co. Mayo emigrated to USA
Post by: Owenwee on Thursday 12 October 17 23:29 BST (UK)
Sheila

From the Rootsireland.ie  subscription site, the marriage of Joseph Mclean and Susan Beckett in 1879 shows the fathers name of both Joseph and Susan. It is not usual that the mother's name appears, although sometimes you can be lucky and the Church Record form has a space for mother name.

Joseph appears to have been a lot older than Susan, 1901 shows him 65yrs, his birth would be around 1835c I cant locate any  birth record or for other siblings.

I found a note  in Irish  Newspaper Sept 1954  Birtie McLean from USA visited his uncle Bob Mclean of Capparany.
Another  find was Bobs family originally came from Scotland but had lived in Turlough for several generations.