RootsChat.Com
Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: elrowe on Friday 09 March 07 14:53 GMT (UK)
-
Hi everyone.... Anyone have the Bailey's in their family, I have just found an Oscar Sarel Bailey born Hythe in Kent, was living with his Aunt Sarah Monro in 1891 in St David area of Glasgow. He married an Agnes Martin on 1st Jan 1908 in Dennistoun, and they had at least 3 children, Sarel born 1910, Martin born 1913 and Sarah Margaret "Queenie" born 1714, all in Glasgo I believe, all help appreciated, regards, Carol
-
Hi,
This is an old post but I have a Kent Sarah Baily who married into the Romany Friend family, her father was my paternal 4th great grandfather James Bailey, Kent (1770-).
I also have a match to Scottish Traveller folk which I wonder if it came down with my Baileys before they settled in Kent, although this is just a guess.
Any information on Romany Baileys of Kent would be greatly appreciated!
Many thanks.
-
Death registration
BAILEY
OSCAR SAREL
66
1934
644/4 1326
Dennistoun
-
The Scotsman 10 November 1934
Estate valued at £9074
-
Thanks,
Oscar's father comes from Plymouth, Devon, England - the family seems to migrate up to Kent, then to Scotland.
-
1901 census shows that his aunt and uncle were born Aberdeenshire
Alexander Monro Head Married Male 53 1848 Traveller Confectionery Belhelvie, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Sara Monro Wife Married Female 54 1847 - Boddam, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Oscar S Bailey Nephew Single Male 33 1868 Traveller Stationery England
-
Many thanks,
So what was the Kent connection please?
Kind regards.
-
Oscar's birth entry on the GRO site gives his mother's maiden name as SOUTAR:
Mother's Maiden Surname: SOUTAR
BAILEY, OSCAR SAREL
GRO Reference: 1867 D Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 840
You need to check was his aunt Sara's maiden name was. Should be Soutar if relationship of nephew is correct.
Monica
-
Oscar's marriage or death registration should include full details on his parents and help you confirm their names.
Some researchers show his parents as Sarel Eathorne Bailey and Margaret Soutar. Family 1871 census entry here www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VF8B-CDW Margaret Soutar Bailey showing as born in the Isle of Man so no clues there to the Munro couple in Glasgow where Oscar is living in 1891.
I am wondering why there would be a death notice for Oscar in South Africa? www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91W-L931-2?i=69&cc=2517051 He was a stationer (a successful one it seems going by the size of his estate at death). I wonder if he had business interests in SA?
Oscar in Scotland by 1881 where he shows as boarding with John Lyal and wife Agnes in Glasgow.
Monica
-
This couple that Oscar was boarding with in 1881, they look to have left for the US and made their life there. Interestingly, John Lyal has the middle name of SOUTAR (like Oscar's mother Margaret...some connection or co-incidence?).
John Soutar Lyal's Find a Grave entry here www.findagrave.com/memorial/61451206/john-soutar-lyall
Monica
-
Could this be a transcription error for marriage of Alexander and Sarah?
MUNRO
ALEXANDER
BRILEY
SARAH
1870
644/9 357
Tradeston
-
Thanks, have a dna match to SOUTAR who marries Ross in Perthshire, Hugh Ross
B:ABT 1620, Perthshire - but there are no Bailey names in this tree.
-
With the Monros, a Sarah Soutar/Monro died in 1925 at the age of 78 in West Kilbride. If the correct entry, this will help you to confirm her parents' name.
There is a possible birth entry from the Parish Register indexed here www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYFH-5QP
Just found the confirmation of the connection for Oscar with Sarah.
The 1871 census entry for Margaret Soutar Bailey showed her as born on the Isle of Man. The Soutar family look to have moved about as father John was a lighthouse keeper and these types of jobs did require mobility.
From 1851:
John Soutar 51 Principal Light Keeper
Jane Soutar 45
Isabella Soutar 19
Jane Soutar 11
Margaret Soutar 9
Elizabeth Soutar 6
Sarah Soutar 4
William Middlemiss 55
Address: Buchanness St House
See full transcript here www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a6f4e55f4040b7d228d5c2f/sarah-soutar-1851-aberdeenshire-peterhead-1847-?locale=en As you can see, the eldest 3 children showing as born in the Isle of Man
John Soutar looks to have died between censuses. The family in 1861 www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59026b61e9379091b1dd3e20/sarah-soutar-1861-aberdeenshire-aberdeen-1847-?locale=en
Monica
-
Thank you.
I have a Margaret Collison Soutar
1862–1923
BIRTH 12 JUL 1862 • Dundee, Forfarshire
DEATH 22 JAN 1923 • 125 Perth Road, Dundee, Angus, Scotland.
In the tree where I found her is the Bailey surname, but nothing to suggest how Soutar & Bailey may be connected.
-
Who is this Margaret, kr236rk?
Not connected to Oscar. Oscar born in England in 1868, six years after this Margaret from Dundee was born.You need to look for a marriage between Margaret Soutar and Sarel Eathorne Bailey. Could have been in England or Scotland.
From what we have, Margaret Soutar was at home with family in 1861 in Aberdeenshire and then in England, married and with two young children (including Oscar) by the time of the 1871 census.
Monica
-
The marriage:
Margaret Soutar and Sarel E Bailey
3rd Qrt 1866
Vol 3a pg 136
in Brentford, Middlesex
Can I ask, how are you connected to Oscar Bailey? Are you descended from one of his children?
Monica
-
Can I ask, how are you connected to Oscar Bailey? Are you descended from one of his children?
Monica
Thanks, I don't know that I am descended from this particular family, Monica.
I have a Kentish Sarah Baily who married into the Romany Friend family, her father was my paternal 4th great grandfather James Bailey, Kent (1770-).
I also have a match to Scottish Traveller folk, so I wonder if my Baileys were Scots before they settled in Kent?
Any information on Romany Baileys of Kent would also be greatly appreciated.
Best regards.
-
Have you looked at websites like this http://rtfhs.org.uk/ to see if anything shows on the Baileys in Kent line?
I am sure you have also gone through the board here on RC www.rootschat.com/forum/travellers/
Monica
-
Thanks Monica,
Yes, I know the rtfhs & am getting a great deal of kind help on the Bailey family on another rootschat thread from Panished.
More links to Scotland are starting to appear as well, fingers crossed!
Kind regards :)
-
Hi, I am distant cousin through this Margaret’s brother. Can I ask if Monica is related? Or just helping. ( I was originally the ELRowe in beginning of this link but lost all my details). Still researching Soutars. Carol
-
Hi Carol
Welcome back :)
I am not related to these lines. Just trying to help with some searches.
Monica