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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: drewsankie on Friday 09 March 07 22:24 GMT (UK)
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I have almost completed ALL my 4X Gt Grandparents, But i am missing just a few, and i hope perhaps someone my shed light on them.
So looking for the parents and Baptism dates of the following
Northamptonshire
John Thompson Born abt 1807 Mears Ashby
Ann Eyte or Ette Born abt 1809 Earls Barton
Buckinghamshire
Elizabeth Spicer Born abt 1797 Wycombe
John Lewin Born abt 1790 / 1800 Penn
Sarah Reynolds Born abt 1811 Stony Stratford
I will also do the same posting on the Northants list as well
Regards Ian Markie
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Hi Ian,
I thought I could help with the Penn baptism ( I have the CD) but I think I've only muddied the waters!! ::)
There is no baptism for John Lewin in Penn at all.
There is -
Sarah Lewin baptised 20 Nov 1793, daughter of John & Sarah Lewin.
John & Sarah's marriage:-
4 Sep 1785 banns John X (made his mark) Lewin , bachelor otp (of this parish) = Sarah X Babb, spinster otp. Witnesses: Thomas Hancock, Ann X Hancock.
Other than that, there are some Luen baptisms :-
1 Nov 1793 Ann d/o Thomas & Mary Luen
29 Oct 1794 Rachel " "
10 July 1796 William " "
Sorry, it seems that John and Sarah Lewin moved on after the baptism of their first child.
:(
Jill
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Well further info here about the family of Lewin
John Lewin married Elizabeth Spicer 10th Apr 1826 Penn
David Lewin Born abt 1831 Penn son of John and Elizabeth
Elizabeth Lewin born 1834 Penn daughter of John and Elizabeth
In the 1841 Census Elizabeth is on her own aged 40 andthe surname is spelt Luin
with son David aged 10
John must of died between 1834 to 37 as i cannot find a death for him.
So i shall have to search around the area for John Lewin.
Just to add to this
from family history on line two deaths here
1. Name John LEWIN Date 14 Jun 1843 Aged 85 Place High Wycombe Description All Saints Denomination Anglican County code BKM
2. Name John LEWIN Date 2 Jan 1841 Aged 49 Place Iver Description St Peter Denomination Anglican County code BKM
(Could this be the death of my John Lewin !) (if so he would be born abt 1792)
Regards Ian Markie
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1841 Census
HO 107 / 55 / 3 Folio 9 page 12
John Lewin aged 80 Labourer born in county
Sarah Lewin aged 65 born in county....
so it appears that John and Sarah did move to High Wycombe
Ian
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1851 Census
Chipping Wycombe ? HO 107 / 1719 folio 160 page 39
Sarah Lewin aged 89 Widow Born Penn Bucks.
and she died in 1853 Wycombe.
This does sound quite good perhaps John was Baptised in High Wycombe or Chipping Wycombe, Are they the same place ?
Ian
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Further research on the Reynolds family
It appears that i may have found Sarah Reynolds being Christend at Potterspury URC.
daughter of Mark Reynolds and Sarah born 24th Apr 1811
Ian
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Hi Ian,
I've just quickly glanced through your posting, and this may not help, but have you tried Penn Street?. Just to confuse matters, both Penn and Penn Street have a Holy trinity church.
Kind regards, Kim.
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Thank you Kim
I was not aware of another church or even of the place PENN STREET !
so the birth could still be in Penn (St) or even High Wycombe.
so if anyone does come across John Lewin born abt 1790 to 1800 i would be very grateful for it.
Thank you
Ian
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You're welcome! I'll keep my eyes peeled for you.
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Hi Ian,
Did you know there's a will for a John Lewin of Great Missenden on the National Archives Documents online site? The date is 1833. Don't know if it'll help, but you never know.....
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Just checked the Bucks RO site and Penn Street did not start recording births until 1849 and marriages until 1850. There don't appear to be any non conformists churches in Penn.
Jo
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Okay, checked Penn & HW and could not find a John Lewin at all.
Found an Eliza Spicer baptsied 2/4/1799 High Wycombe to William and Elizabeth.
The only John Lewin I could fine of a similiar age was John Lewin to Richard and Elizabeth in 1791but in Datchet.
Siblings Rebecca 1793, Richard 1796, Charlotte 1798 and jane 1803.
Sorry I can't be of any help. BTW Chipping Wycombe was replaced by High Wycombe according to the PRs. But there is a West Wycombe.
Jo
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Oooh as an after thought, I wonder if he was baptised in a non conformist church <doh>
Jo
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Thank You Jo
well at least there is good news that you found Eliza Spicer (YIPPEEE)
I am now so close to compleating my 4X gt grandparents.
Now as for John. could they be non conformists well yes they could well be!
Annie Lewin my Gt Grandmother was married in a Baptist Chapel in Burton Latimer, Northants. she married into the Ashley family which was quite a non conformist family as it is today !
There are hugh links to the Baptists, but i did not expect all of my branches to be non conformists, which does seem to be going that way. so if they are it is something i would not of expected, but i would not be surprised.
Yes i know i should of mentioned it, but i just didnt think this side would be Non conformists.
Ian
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I will put John Lewin on my list for next week or later this week if I am lucky.
If you need any help going further back, just let me know. The FHS boast that they have 99% of the marriages if you want me to check for the marriage of Elizabeth and William Spicer.
Jo
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That would be wonderful if you could this John Lewin is becoming a real brickwall if i could only tie him in with Elizabeth Spicer in Penn then we would be on to something.
I just looked on the IGI and found 2 marriages for William and Elizabeth
William Spicar to Elizabeth Chapman 24th Sep 1789 High Wycombe
and William Spicer to Elizabeth Chapman 24th Sep 1786 High Wycombe
William born abt 1761 High Wycombe.
So which one is correct ? which does make Eliza rather late if she was Christend in 1799 ! so perhaps i have the wrong marriage ?
Ian
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Yet again looking on the IGI and there are two christings to William And Elizabeth
Charlotte Spicer 19th feb 1775 Chalfont st Giles
and
Edward Spicer 10th Sep 1786 Chalfont St Giles.
Could be the same parents too.
Ian
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I would'nt go to far with the Chalfont births. People tended not to move about too much about at that time, Let me have a look at siblings in Wycombe and I'll get back to you.
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That is a view i have always held but, have found quite a few of my family moved around an awful lot. and not to places where you would expect, as some of my family where moving to villages from towns, while others were doing the opposite. (but then again are family still does these strange things LOL )
I will hold fire, and see what you do come up with
Thank you so much for your help, non of this would be possiable without you.
Ian
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I am shopping today so will nip in and have a look at HW is fully transcribed so won't need a reader for the Spicer family - siblings and the marriage.
Regrettably I will need a reader to check for John Lewin so will book one today and get back to you.
Jo
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Booked a reader for Friday so may be able to come up with something for your John Lewin then.
The marriage of William Spicer and Elizabeth Chapman took place 24/9/1786.
William and Elizabeth were quite prolific over the next 21 years. Not unusual at that time. All baptised HW.
William 21/12/1788
Lucey 15/1/1792
Bethia 14/6/1793
Charles 18/2/1795
Lucy 10/9/1797
Elizabeth 2/4/1799
John 7/6/1801
Ann 20/2/1803
Esther 24/3/1805
John 14/6/1807
Looks like they lost two of their children and renamed their new children after them. Again not unusual.
Jo
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Hi Jo
You ar such a star, i really thought i was going to hit a brickwall with the Spicer family.
I really cannot thank you enough for what you are doing for me, and i wish i could find the words to say more than thank you.
I do hope you can find John Lewin. that i think would really make my week, after having such a bad one.
Yet again thank you so much, and if you ever find family down here Dover or Canterbury area, then just say i will always be glad to help.
Ian
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The birth you found on the IGI for William Spicer c 1761 is a figment of someones imagination based on the marriage 25 years later in HW. (The births on the IGI which say about should really being ignored I'm afraid)
I checked all the baptisms in HW from 1753 to 1768 and found no William Spicer at all. I did however find Elizabeth Chapmans baptism to Thomas and Bethia 20/10/1765.
A quick look at the actual marriage entry, rather than Phillimores shows that one of the witnesses to William & Elizabeths marriage was Thomas Chapman. It states BOTP
With regard to your John Lewin, not much luck at all. I checked in adjacent parishes of Penn - Little Missenden, Amersham, Beaconsfield, Wooburn H Wycombe and Hughenden. And there were some John Lewins in Hughenden and Amersham but not the correct age. For instance there was a John and Sarah having children in the 1790's in Amersham but not a John and there was a Sarah Lewin wife of John buried in Hughenden in 1737. I am beginning to wonder, if he died before 1841, if he perhaps was a lot older than his wife and was born alot earlier.
Jo
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Thank you Jo
That is a high amount of work you have done, must of taken you ages, and i thank you so much.
well at least then we can say that John lewin may or may not be of the parish when he married, perhaps another one of those that was never christend ?
and perhaps you be right that the John Lewin i seek may of died earlier.
Sadly this will be one of many brickwalls. and one day the answer just may turn up.
But thank you for doing all of this for me i cannot thank you enough.
You have managed to further my chapmans, which i thought would be another brickwall.
So yet again Thank you
With the kindest of regards Ian
P.S. if at any time i can help you please do say.
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Hi Ian,
Great to see our side of the family developing.
What does BOTP mean?
Thanks
Lisa
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Could this be the marriage for Thomas Chapman & Bethia from the IGI
THOS CHAPMAN
BETHIER BURKET
Marriage: 14 OCT 1754 High Wycombe, Buckingham, England
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And a possible birth for Bethia from the IGI
Bethier Burket
Christening: 31 JAN 1728 Wycombe, , Buckingham, England
Parents:
Father: Edward Burket
Mother: Bethia Walker
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and another marriage from the IGI
Bethea Walker
Marriages:
Spouse: Edward Burket
Marriage: 24 MAY 1724 Of, High Wycombe, Buckingham, England
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and Bethia Walker's birth from the IGI
Bethia Walker
Christening: 13 JAN 1705 Wycombe, , Buckingham, England
Parents:
Father: William Walker
Mother: Anne Saunders
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and another possile marriage from the IGI
WM. WALKER
Marriages:
Spouse: ANNE SANDERS
Marriage: 10 NOV 1700 High Wycombe, Buckingham, England
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Hello Lisa
BOTP means Both of This Parish.
I would think you could be right with the births and marriages, and i see we have to dates for William Walker, which one is the correct one i dont know.
Which pushes this side of the family back to the late 1600s,
John Lewin looks to be more of a problem and i am not sure how i am going to get around that one.
But all the hard work is really down to Jo, without her we would not have any of this info. ;D
Ian
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Children of William Walker and Anne Sanders
Elizabeth 16 Mar 1701
William 14 Mar 1704
Bethia 13 Jan 1705
George Saunders 2 Apr 1707
John 28 May 1712
James 17 May 1714
Ann 4 Oct 1717
Mary 6 Jan 1719
Sarah 9 sep 1722
Phillis 9 Sep 1722
John 9 Jul 1725
Which i think answers the question as to which is the right date for the marriage which would be 1700.
Ian
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which other date did you have for William then?
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Nice to know that there is so much info on the IGI about the Chapmans/Burkets/Sanders. So you can go back pretty far with that side now.
Its just the Lewin side to sort now. Though the marriage says BOTP, it just means he was living there when they married. Obviously not baptised Penn or surrounding districts including High Wycombe.
The two deaths you mentioned in your other thread? I don't know why I didn't think of this before. The John buried 1843 aged 85 in HW could well be Elizabeths husband. So born c 1758. Though there was no mention of him being a widower but there was nothing to say he was not considerably older than her. Just a thought.
Jo
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Sorry Lisa my mistake on that one there is only the one date.
Jo
The John Lewin that died 1843 i have a feeling this could be my John Lewins Father !
They are in the 1841 Census
John Lewin aged 80 ag lab
Sarah Lewin aged 65
Both born in County
in 1851 Chipping Wycombe
Sarah Lewin Widow aged 89 born Penn Bucks
Marriage John Lewin to Sarah Babb 4th Sep 1785 Penn
Witness Thomas Hancock and Ann Hancock
Thats why i thought that if the John in Iver was the one then the inscription may of mentioned Husband of and Son of if the parents was still alive !
Unless of course he is buried in High Wycombe and died before 1837, then of course i would only find him by looking through parish records, as i cant find him on the NBI.
John must of died between 1834 / 37 as the last child Elizabeth Lewin was born in 1834 Penn.
He has to be in that area i would of thought.
So your thought Jo is spot on. Proof thats a diffirent thing LOL !
Ian
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You are probably correct about the one in 1843. Its just making the link netween John and parents John and Sarah
>:(
Jo
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Well if this John Lewin is the father
Then he was married in 1785 and the 1st child Sarah was born in 1793 in Penn then the family dissappear. i think into High Wycombe it self.
which means that my John Lewin must be born between 1793 to 1804.
and died in his 30s sometime after 1834 but before 1837.
His occupation was a Hurdle Maker, which i dont know if this means he would travel around a lot ? and therfore died someway from home ?
Ian