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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Stirlingshire => Topic started by: Coline on Friday 26 November 04 08:30 GMT (UK)
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Posting a request for information on the RISKS of Stirlingshire and
Dunbartonshire. Also Renfrewshire and Lanarkshire or ANYWHERE!
What started as a general enquiry into my RISK ancestry has now become an ambition to try to connect all these families who lived in these areas.
From copies of family notes I have been given, it seems there were several brothers who first resided in these areas. Having searched several OPR films I have 3 substantial trees of RISK descendants, but as yet am unable to find a connection.
As these are now going back to mid 1600-1700 it is most likely
this link will never be established.
I would really love to hear from anyone with a connection to the RISK family in any way.
Am also more than happy to share information.
TIA,
Coline Murphy,
Brisbane.
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Hi Coline,
I'm not connected to the RISK name and I'm not researching it either.
I came across two gravestones in Denny Cemetery, Denny, Stirlingshire recently which have the following inscriptions:
In loving memory of THOMAS YOUNG, Farmer, Snaghead, Bannockburn
Who died 26th August 1910
JANE GENTLES his wife who died 26th July 1915
And their family
JEAN RISK died 10th November 1871
GEORGE died 29th November 1872
ARCHIBALD died 3rd April 1878
WILLIAM died 10th April 1878
ROBERT died 14th April 1914
JANE died 29th January 1933
THOMAS died 5th November 1937
MARGARET died 4th August 1944
JOHN died 13th February 1960
The next one:
(Right Side of Stone)
CATHERINE ARCHIBALD RISK died 7th May 1881 aged 16 years
JANE KNOX RISK died 2nd April 1882 aged 16 years
JAMES CHARLES RISK died 3rd February 1888 aged 11 months
Interred at Dennyloanhead
(Centre of Stone)
In memory of MARGARET KENNEDY wife of James Risk
Died 28th June 1860 aged 29 years interred at Dennyloanhead
JAMES RISK died 24th May 1898 aged 76 years
JEANIE KNOX wife of James Risk who died at Edinburgh on 1st June 1922 aged 87 years
JAMES RISK youngest son of James Risk died 24th January 1961 aged 86 years
Cremated in Edinburgh
(Left Side of Stone)
MARGARET RISK eldest daughter of James Risk
Who died at Stirling on 21st December 1936 aged 81 years
MARY RISK daughter of James Risk who died at Stirling on 22nd November 1950 aged 91 years
(Bottom of Stone)
The Burial Ground of JAMES RISK of Bankier
I have photographs of both stones too - I can send you them if you're interested.
Anne
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Hi Coline - found some more Risks for you. (This time in Larbert Old Parish Churchyard, Larbert, Stirlingshire)
Inscription is as follows:
Erected by James Risk in memory of his wife Mary Paterson Risk
Who died 21st December 1876 aged 34 years
Also their children
Elizabeth Hall died 25th November 1876 aged 4 1/2 years
Mary died 25th December 1876 aged 18 months
Margaret died 7th April 1877 aged 5 months
Robert Leslie died 31st August 1884 aged 16 months
John died 9th September 1887 aged 10 1/2 months
The above james Risk died 23rd december 1919 aged 74 years
Christina Brown died 20th March 1924 aged 72 years widow of James Risk
I've sent you a PM also.
Anne
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Hi Coline,
not related to me but I have a James RISK m Elizabeth BROWN 1838 Larbert.
Thier daughter Margaret McKendrick RISK b 1843 married James AITKEN 1866 in Larbert. I have their marriage certificate and if you would like it, let me know & I will send you a copy.
Dano
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Hi Dano,
If you're interested, I've got photos of existing stones in Larbert Churchyard.
Many of them were transcribed in the pre-1855 MI Books but there are also some which were missed or mis-transcribed and obviously lots more post-1855.
Anne
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Hello Anne,
Thank you for your messages and info which I have just received, having just returned from 3 mths in Europe. I did manage a week in Scotland but didn't get to the areas you mention. I would love copies of anything connected with "Risk" you have. Thank you so much for all the work you do. I have just been looking through the Stirlingshire list in an effort to find your message and noted your amazing photos and descriptions of headstones. I sympathise with the prickly heat and, although not a sufferer, I hate the heat - not a good thing for someone living in Brisbane, Australia!
Thank you again and best wishes,
Coline.
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Hi Coline,
There are 5 stones in total for Risks in Larbert Old Parish so I'll PM you after posting this.
Anne
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This is mainly to Coline.
Christian/Christina Cockburn married James Risk in Lanark and they had four children that I know of, among them Alexander Gardner Risk and Margaret Cullen Risk who was born in 1867, in Coatbridge, Lanarkshire.
Margaret married William Hamilton in the late 1880s.
If these figure in the family trees you have i'd love to know more about them.
Christina Cockburn is a direct descendant of Gavin Cockburn b c 1803 and I am a direct descendant of his brother David. A distant cousin and I are rying to complete an entire picture.
kind regards
Sue
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Hello Sue,
Great to hear from someone with a Risk interest. All has been quiet for a while.
I don't know of any direct connection but the name Alexander Gardner Risk interests me, as there was a James Risk married Ann Gardner and Gardner is a name which appears quite a lot amongst the Risk descendants. This lot were in Kilmaronock, Dunbarton however 100 yrs later descendants could be anywhere.
I'll give it some more thought and get back to you.
Thanks for the contact.
Regards,
Coline.
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Dear Coline,
It has been some time since there has been any activity with your discussion but I'm hoping you still dip into this forum every so often. If not I will try and find you somewhere else on the site.
I too am keen to find out more about the Risk family you seek. I am the great grandson of James Risk of Bankier in sterling and want to put together a family tree of the Risk family. James was a Whisky Distiller running the family owned Bankier Distillery, Denny until he sold it to what went on to become Distillers and now Diagio in 1925. He married Violet Kennedy of Edinburgh and had four daughters :
Kathleen Risk who married a Dane called Plesner, Elsa Risk who married Bramwell, Jean Kennedy Risk who married Andrew L'Estrange Brownlow and Hester Knox Risk who married Robert William Kennard.
Any information or tree that you can help me with on this side of the family would be wonderful.
I look forward to hopefully hearing from in due course,
James McVittie
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Hello James,
Welcome to the wonderful world of Rootschat! :)
If you have a look at my reply to Coline's original post (reply No. 1, above), the information transcribed from the Gravestone in Denny looks as though it refers to the same Risk family. I don't know what the connection with your Risk family will be, but I imagine that because the stone says 'The Burial Ground of JAMES RISK of Bankier' there must be a connection. Different generation perhaps?
The attached photo is the same one referred to above.
Anne
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Hello James,
Good to hear from you and yes, I would love to compare "Risk" notes with you. We share Great-Grandparents - many generations back, of James Risk and Janet Harvie of Cashley, Buchlyvie. There was Whisky distilling in the Risk family even then as there once was a distillery on Cashley Farm.
Kathleen is the only child I had for James and Violet so you helped me already. I have quite a lot of information on the earlier generations of this family and would be very happy to share this.
It is ages since I have had contact from this site and have forgotten how I go about passing on my personal email. I'll add it here and hope you get it, otherwise just reply through this site.
Many thanks for your contact and I look forward to more,
Coline Murphy.
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Hi Coline,
Long time no see!
I guess they haven't found the missing Buchlyvie volume yet :'(
Here's a little snippet about Bankier which, no doubt, all have already seen.
"12. Bankier (Lowland).
Originally a corn mill it was converted and founded as a malt whisky distillery 1828 by Daniel MacFarlane. In 1878 it was acquired by James Risk and by James Buchanan in 1903. It was passed over to DCL in 1925 who closed it in 1928 but used the maltings until 1971 and the warehouses until the late 1980's. It was located in Denny of Stirlingshire. With 1 wash and 2 spirit Pot stills and 5/12.000 gallon washbacks it had an annual production of 150.000 gallons. Water was drawn from Droups Stream. Last buildings demolished in 1990. Visited by Alfred Barnard, 1887. (Collector 1). "
http://www.buxrud.se/lost.htm
And a lengthy story at:
http://www.peatfreak.com/alfred-barnard-bankier.php
And other references ...
The moderators on RC prefer email addresses to be swapped by PM ...
All the best,
JAP (Judy Philip)
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Hi Judy,
Great to hear from you. Yes, I am still here but have been side-tracked in Co. Antrim for the last 2 yrs, including a visit there last May. That line seems to have settled for a while and I'm glad to catch up on my Scottish side. It is a shame about the missing Buchlyvie records - could fill in quite a few gaps.
Thanks for the links for Bankier. I'll have a look at them tomorrow.
Hope you are coping with the heat in Adelaide. We moved to Buderim on the Sunshine Coast 2 yrs ago, so we don't get the extreme temperatures but the humidity is awful.
Thanks for the hint about email addresses - my memory is getting clogged!
Best wishes,
Coline.
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Thank you Coline,
your documents are just what the doctor ordered. I have passed the details on to my uncle Claude Brownlow who will try and put some more faces to names and add any more info he can remember anything that is nudged by your details.
I am also trying to contact the decendants of Hester Knox Kennard who I understand might have more info to add that was recorded and researched by Hester when she was alive . I will keep you informed with any updates as I go. I hope you found the info I sent just as interesting.
Anne , thank you for the photo of the head stone, so nice o see something physical and solid as a connection to the forefathers and mothers and that will provide information and history to future generations.
I look forward to keeping in touch,
James McV
ps Coline you mentioned we shared a relation, which one in the family is your connection?
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Hi ;D
I am a..RISK...born in Falkirk but now living in Clacks !
I would love to share/swap any info on the...RISKS ..I have just recently started taking a serious interest in it all !!
;)
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Hello LittleMsR,
Welcome to RootsChat!
RootsChatters are only too eager to help.
Perhaps you might like to post with information about how far back you have managed to get to date?
The more information RootsChatters have, the easier it is to help.
Best of luck with your research,
JAP
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Hello LittleMsR,
I would be interested to share information with you as I have quite a large collection from Falkirk.
Please post what line you are connected to and hopefully we can help each other.
Regards,
Coline.
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Hello Coline
re Risk family Stirlingshire. Am related to the family who had Drumbrae farm near Bridge of Allan
James and Mary They had no children and I believe moved into the town when they sold off the farm and land. any connection
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Let me know if you come across any who moved to Ireland, especially Dublin. There seem to have been very few in Ireland and those that were there, mainly in the North.
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Hi - Have a William Risk born 1796 St Ninians Stirlingshire.
He married Elizabeth Hall (my line) in 1836 at Alloa they had the following children.
Jane Malcolm Risk 1837, Elizabeth Hall Risk 1839, Margaret Lapsle Risk 1841, Mary Paterson Risk 1842, John Alexander Risk 1844.
All born Alloa.
Have no further info for William but interest revived ;D so will go back and have another look.
All the childrens second names (apart from Lapsle) are family names, its getting it altogether that's the problem. ???
Regards Patvp
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There is a stone in St. Ninian's Old Churchyard:
1823 John Risk and Margaret Lapslie
1823 Could mean the date the couple bought the plot, the date of death of one of their children or the date of death of either one of them.
They would be man and wife - women are normally always listed by their maiden name.
Anne
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Found a marriage for John Risk and Margaret Lapslie 23 Oct 1796 St Ninians.
It's getting it all together that's the problem ???
As always patvp
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If anyone interested ;D here is what I have up to date.
Jane malcolm Risk 1837 married James Morton 1861 Alloa, she died 1896 Falkirk.
John Alexander risk 1844 Alloa.
Married Agnes F Galloway and had three children.
2nd marriage Isabella Smart Ferrier and had five children.
1881 he is Procurator at Cathcart Renfrew.
Cannot find him in the 1891.
1901 He is a writer ? living at 2 Cobden Place Cathcart.
William Risk 1796 St Ninians died Alloa 1851, parents John Risk and Mary Paterson (still checking this out)
Married Elizabeth Hall 1836, she was born 1805 Clackmannan and died in 1865 Alloa.
Still working on Elizabeth, Margaret and Mary.
??? ::)
Regards Patvp
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Hi All Risk Researchers.
William Risk married Elizabeth Hall 4 June 1836 in Alloa, Clackmannan, SCT.
Elizabeth Hall Risk d, 8 November 1918 in Glasgow.
Mary Paterson Risk d. 21 December 1876 in Glasgow. Mary m. James Risk in Edinburgh in 1870. They had 3 children: Elizabeth Hall Risk, b. 1872, and James Risk b. 1873 - both in Glasgow; and Mary Risk b. 1875 in Larbert, Stirling, d. 1876 in Larbert.
I don't have anything further on James b. 1873.
James Risk who married Mary Risk was a son of James Risk and Elizabeth Brown. This James was a son of John Risk and Margaret Lapslie.
Hope this fills in some gaps.
Coline.
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Hello Coline
re Risk family Stirlingshire. Am related to the family who had Drumbrae farm near Bridge of Allan
James and Mary They had no children and I believe moved into the town when they sold off the farm and land. any connection
Are we talking about James Risk, son of Robert Risk and Janet Christie? If so, yes, we do have a connection.
This James Risk is my 3rd cousin 2x removed - rather distant I know, but further back we must connect. Please contact me for more details.
Coline.
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Message for Coline re Risk family Drumbrae. Yes James father was Robert and mother Janet Christie. However my connection is through Mary risk his wife. My grandmother their niece was left with them when her parents Mary's brother and sister-in-law moved to Canada. Robert Risk's
parents were James Risk and Mary Buchanan. Interested in trying to identify a photo which may be of James and Mary
Also have the last will of James Risk
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Hi Coline - Beg to differ re William and Elizabeth they both died in Alloa, although cannot obtain death cert through SP.
MI's for Alloa -
William Risk ship's carpenter and his wife Elizabeth Hall 11 Jul 1865 Stone erected by Elizabeth Hall Risk and John A.D.Risk.
But as I said have been unable to track down a death certificate. Will have another go later.
My interest is..she was the sister of my grandfather x4.
Regards patvp
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Hi Patvp1,
SORRY about that mix up. You are right about Alloa and the death dates are the ones I have entered in my FTM. It doesn't pay to pass on info when one is tired! I have them from the MI. You won't find William's death on SP as it was pre-reg.
The other info below is correct as have copies of all reg - contact me for more details.
Unfortunately I can't help any more with Elizabeth Hall.
Regards, Coline.
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Hi Coline - Very frustrating.. ??? cannot find a Death for Elizabeth Hall, have just gone through half a dozen credits on SP and tried every which way.
Have the marriage and the reg of the four children..but still no death Aaagh ???
Have taken note of what you sent me, will send you a pm with my e.mail.
Regards Patvp
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Hi - Still no joy with a death for Exlizabeth Hall/Risk tried every which way ???
Got a death for the son John Alexander Risk, he died 18 Apr 1910 at Cathcart..does anyone know about burial records for this area ??? please.
He was still listed as a writer but am damned if I can find any record of what he may have "written" ;D
Nothing on Elizabeth Hall Risk the one born 1839 nor Margaret L Risk dob 1841, tried for marriages on SP... no go.
something may turn up.
Regards Patvp
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Records for Cathcart if burial or cremation is there will be kept in Glasgow. Cost is about $8-10 to get a copy of a entry. Need to know Name date of death and location of burial or cremation. Closest crematorium is the Linn but there is a cemetary there also and another in the Muirend area. Google earth is helpful to locate places such as this
Geniegal
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Hi Pat
In respect of John A Risk's occupation from his 1901 entry showing as 'writer' this would in Scotland mean a solicitor - which also fits with his occupation in 1881 and 1891 which showed as Procurator which means the same :)
Monica
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One possibility for Margaret Risk. There is this marriage on IGI:
Margaret Risk and William Jeffrey on 01 NOV 1872 Milton, Glasgow
One child showing on IGI is a William born on 06 SEP 1873 Bridgeton, Glasgow. Possibly this 1881 census entry for her:
Margaret Jeffrey 39, landlady b. Alloa
William Jeffrey 7, b. Glasgow
Robert G Storach 24, lodger
John R Storach 12 , lodger
Address: Hillhead, Partick Lanarkshire
And in 1891:
Margaret Jeffrey 49, keeps lodgers, b. Alloa
William Jeffrey 17, son b. Glasgow
Address: 45 Bank St, Partick Govan
Margaret is at the same address in 1901, now showing as a Fisher (doulton) with three lodgers.
Monica :)
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;D ;D ;D
Hi Monica - You have done it again, had tried all the wild cards with Risk..but Kirk ?? that one had not occured to me !!
Will check for Margaret's marriage to William Jeffrey on SP..how those credits disappear :o
Hope you are well m'dear. Will slow down the end of this week as have friends arriving from Purley, Surrey, staying for a month :D looking forward to it.
Once again and as always Thank you.
Patvp
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Yep that's Margaret and William Jeffrey !! from his details looks as tho'his mother was a Hall as well, another road to go down ;D
Also thaks to Geniegel for that info, first have to get death date
Patvp
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Oh, that's great Pat :D
Were William's parents William Jeffrey and Ann Hall? If so, as you say, another Hall in Clackmannan for you to follow up on!
Monica
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They certainly were Monica - Have already started on that line, and believe it or not they were from Clackmannan, have posted on the Clacks board, have done o.k. up to press but having a problem with her parents etc.
Hell..gotta go..talk later.
Pat
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Here is what I have on file for this family. Please PM me if anyone would like more details or copies of Reg. I'm very happy to share.
Pat - did you receive my PM yesterday?
Great to see so many interested in the Risk family after all this time - even if by default!
Regards.
Coline.
Descendants of William RISK
Generation 1
1. William RISK-1 was born on 1796 in St Ninians, Stirling, SCT.
He died on 09 Dec 1851 in Alloa, Clackmannan, SCT.
He married Elizabeth HALL on 04 Jun 1836 in Alloa, Clackmannan, SCT.
She was born in Errol, Perth, Scotland. She died on 1865 in Alloa, Clackmannan, SCT.
Notes for William RISK:
Description: Info from MI's Wm Risk ship's carpenter and his wife Elizabeth Hall 11 Jul 1865 stone erected by Elizabeth Hall Risk and John A.D.Risk - Ancestry
Children of William RISK and Elizabeth HALL are:
i. Jane Malcolm RISK, B: 05 May 1837, D: 13 Jul 1896 in Falkirk, Stirling, SCT, M:James MORTON 15 Nov 1861 in Alloa, Clackmanan, SCT[2].
ii. Elizabeth Hall RISK, B: 27 Jan 1839, D: 08 Nov 1918 in 45 Bank Street, Glasgow, SCT - 79 yrs[3].
iii. Margaret Lapsley RISK, B: 07 Jan 1841, D: Bef. Jul 1843.
2. iv. Mary Paterson RISK, B: 14 Nov 1842 in Alloa, Clackmannan, SCT, D: 21 Dec 1876 in 38 Abercorn St, Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, SCT - age 34 yrs[3], M: 19 Jul 1870 in 4 Glenogle Place, Edinburgh, SCT[4].
v. Margaret RISK, B: 18 Jul 1843 in Larbert, Stirling, SCT[5].
3. vi. John Alexander Duncanson RISK, B: 14 Sep 1844 in Alloa, Clackmannan, SCT, D: 1910 in Cathcart, Renfrew, SCT - age 65 yrs, M: 05 Jul 1876 in Errol, Perth, SCT.
Generation 2
2. Mary Paterson RISK-2(William RISK-1) was born on 14 Nov 1842 in Alloa, Clackmannan,
Scotland. She died on 21 Dec 1876 in 38 Abercorn St, Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland - age 34
yrs[3]. She married James RISK on 19 Jul 1870 in 4 Glenogle Place, Edinburgh, SCT[4], son of
James RISK and Elizabeth BROWN. He was born on 28 Oct 1845 in Larbert, Stirling, SCT. He
died on 23 Dec 1919 in 347 Saracen Street, Possilpark, Glasgow, SCT - age 73 yrs[3].
Notes for Mary Paterson RISK:
Marriage Reg. states James and Mary were Half Cousins.
Children of Mary Paterson RISK and James RISK are:
i. Elizabeth Hall RISK, B: 11 May 1872 in 38 Abercorn Street, Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, SCT[6], D: 25 Nov 1876 in Larbert, Stirling, SCT - age 4 yrs[3].
ii. James RISK, B: 02 Oct 1873 in 38 Abercorn Street, Milton, Glasgow, Lanark, SCT.
iii. Mary RISK, B: 1875 in Larbert, Stirling, SCT, D: 25 Dec 1876 in Larbert Village, Stirling, SCT[3].
3. John Alexander Duncanson RISK-2(William RISK-1) was born on 14 Sep 1844 in Alloa, Clackmannan, SCT. He died on 1910 in Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland - age 65 yrs. He married Agnes Taylor GALLOWAY on 05 Jul 1876 in Errol, Perth, SCT, daughter of John Galloway and Isabella Scott. She was born on Abt. 1852. She died on 01 Oct 1893 in 6 Windover Cres.,Mt
Florida, Cathcart, East Renfrew, SCT - age 41 yrs. He married Isabella Smart FERRIER in 1899 in Blythswood, Glasgow, Lanark, SCT. She was born on Abt. 1863.
Children of John Alexander Duncanson RISK and Agnes Taylor GALLOWAY are:
i. William John RISK, B: 1877 in Cathcart, Renfrew, SCT, D: 31 May 1953 in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada - age 75 yrs[7], M: Laura May DIXON 1904 in Christ Church, Stormont, Ontario, Canada[8].
4. ii. John Alexander Duncanson RISK, B: 1879 in Cathcart, Renfrew, SCT, D: 01 Dec 1934 in Elmwood, Avon Street, Motherwell, Dalziel, Lanark, SCT - age 55 yrs[3], M: He married Barbara STRATTON 21 Jan 1905 in Avon Street, Motherwell, Dalziel, Lanark, SCT4]. She was born on Abt. 1879. She died in 1915 in Dalziel, Lanark, SCT - age 36 yrs.
iii. Isabella Scott RISK, B: 1880 in Cathcart, Renfrew, SCT.
iv. Charles David RISK, B: 1884 in Cathcart, Renfrew, SCT, D: 09 Jun 1949 in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada - age 64 yrs[7], M: Hester Francis KENDALL 25 Jul 1914 in Nelson, Vancouver, B.C., Canada[7].
v. James Hall RISK, B: 1886 in Cathcart, Renfrew, SCT, D: 07 May 1936 in 637 Clarkson Road, Muirend, Cathcart, Renfrew, SCT - age 50 yrs[3].
vi. Elizabeth Hall RISK, B: 1888 in Cathcart, Renfrew, SCT, D: 06 Mar 1980 in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada - age 91 yrs[7], M:Walter Reading JONES 15 Oct 1913 in Vancouver, B.C. Canada[7].
vii. Ralph RISK, B: 1891 in Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland, M: Margaret N ROBERTSON 1918 in Kelvin, Glasgow,SCT.
Child of John Alexander Duncanson RISK and Isabella Smart FERRIER is:
i. Annie Harris Ferrier RISK, B: 1901 in Glasgow.
Generation 3
4. John Alexander Duncanson RISK-3(John Alexander Duncanson RISK-2, William RISK-1) was
born on 1879 in Cathcart, Renfrew, Scotland. He died on 01 Dec 1934 in Elmwood, Avon Street,
Motherwell, Dalziel, Lanark, SCT - age 55 yrs[3]. He married Barbara STRATTON on 21 Jan 1905
in Avon Street, Motherwell, Dalziel, Lanark, Scotland[4]. She was born on Abt. 1879. She died on
1915 in Dalziel, Lanark, SCT - age 36 yrs.
Children of John Alexander Duncanson RISK and Barbara STRATTON are:
i. Child RISK.
ii. John Alexander Duncanson RISK, B: 1911 in Dalziel, Lanark, SCT, D: 1911 in
Dalziel, Lanark, SCT.
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Hi Colene - Phew, a lot to digest and fill in..at the moment am concentrating on Margaret Lapsley Risk, she married William Jeffrey 01 Nov 1872 Milton Glasgow GRO644/07 0383, on viewing their marriage cert it turns out the parents of William are William Jeffrey and Anne HALL ::) another lot of Hall's ?? to add to the confusion Anne Hall was married twice 1st to Duncan McKenzie in 1839 then to William Jeffrey in 1848..what it boils down to is that she was from Clackmannan, and that is where Elizabeth Hall hailed from..so far have been unable to find info on Anne Hall's parentage, so have posted on the Clackmannashire site hopefully something may turn up...
All this is fun ::) isn't it ?
Take care..patvp
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Query for Monica.
I notice you have the Murphy name from Lanark listed in your interests. My husbands 3X great grandparents were Irish but the earliest info we have for them is from Paisley and then Glasgow. They were Robert Murphy and Isabella Knox. Just posting this on the off chance we may have a connection!! Looking for Murphys in Ireland is rather like Smiths in England.
Regards,
Coline.
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Hi Coline
Can't see the connection to your Murphys, which is a pity....from someone who has never been able to connect to a single living descendent with any of my lot ;D
The Murphys married into my main Tully line and then left for the US from Glasgow in the very early 1900s.
Monica :)
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Coline, just in case you don't see it (Pat will get notification of it from her Renfrewshire post). Damnonii has just posted a photo of the grave of John A D Risk and first wife Agnes T Galloway :) www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,403237.0.html
Monica
PS: I'm curious ::) You have Elizabeth Hall Risk's death showing in Glasgow in 1918. What became of her life after her 1851 census entry with family? Have you viewed her death entry?
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Hi Monica,
Yes I have a copy of Elizabeth Hall Risk's death reg from SP. She died 8/11/1918 at 45 bank Street, Hillhead, Glasgow, aged 79 yrs. Cause of death: Intracapsular fracture of neck of femur - 4 mths and cerbral haemorrhage - 4 days. Death was registered by her nephew J Hall Risk of 3 Hampden Terrace, Glasgow, on 9/11/1918. Elizabeth was single but unfortunately her occupation was not stated.
I haven't checked all the census records for her so really can't tell you any more, sorry.
Just realised I can attach a copy here so hope you receive it OK.
Thanks for the notification of the photo. I'll have a look now.
Shame about the Murphys! :(
Coline.
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Have just checked Reg of Corrected Entries for Elizabeth Hall Risk -see attached.
Coline.
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Thanks Coline :) I would imagine the informant to her death was the son of John, James Hall Risk, a writer like his father who shows on the stone as posted by Damnonii.
Can I find her on the census transcripts....not a whisper :-\ I thought I just couldn't find her if she had married but her DC confirms she remained unmarried.
Monica
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Hi Coline - Have a look on the Clackmannan board for the death of Anne Hall. Am looking for a connection here with my Hall's. Talk soon.
Patvp
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For anyone interested here's some info about Ralph Risk from "Scottish Biographies 1838" (for further info see link)
"RISK,Ralph,M.C. Solicitor.(Partner, Maclay Murray and Spens,Glasgow.)169 West George Street,Glasgow. b.1891,Glasgow. s.of late J.A.D.Risk,Glasgow (Solicitior.) m.1918.Margaret Nelson,d. of Thomas Neilson Robertson;3s.,2d. Member,General Council of Solicitors in Scotland,Served during Great War, 1915-18;wounded,1916; M.C.1917; Bar to M.C.,1918; Capt. and Adjutant,6th Bn.Gordon highlanders, 1918. Recreation:golf. Clubs:New,Glasgow"
N.B.Margaret's surname as printed in book. Should be Robertson.
Regards,
flst
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,326208.0.html
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My GGGG grandfather, William Thomson, married Margaret Mair Risk (DOB 1828) and she had a sister Marian Mair Johnstone Risk (1830) and a brother John Rankillor Watson Risk (DOB 1832). I think their father was John Risk and mother Marian Johnston. They were all born in Falkirk, Stirling. I don't really know much more about them and would be interested in any information that is available.
Thanks
Penny
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Sorry to barge in...I am descended from John Risk and Margaret Lapslie. Their son John Risk (1797-1866) is my 4xgreat grandfather. John Risk married Margaret Gentles (1802-1882). Will look back through all these notes and see what else pertains to John Risk and Margaret Lapslie. Would be happy to hear about any other details.
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Hi MerRhosyn - John Risk and Margaret Lapslie had 6 children that I can find.
John 1797, Jean 1799, Mary 1801, James 1804, Margaret 1806, Janet 1808.
All born St Ninians. John Risk and Margaret Lapslie were married at St Ninians in 1796.
You have just renewed my interest in the "Risk"family once again, so will do more searching.
Regards Patvp
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Patvp -
Yes, I have those 6 children as well.
My John Risk was baptised 2 Jan 1797 St. Ninians. Married Margaret Gentles 16 Nov 1833 Stirlingshire. They had seven children - John (1834-?), Isabella (1836-1881), William (1839-?), Robert (1840-?), Margaret (1842-1902), Christina (1844-?), and James (1846-?). Found in Barony, Lanarkshire in 1851 and Glagow Barony, Lanarkshire in 1861. Worked as a clark in a coal depot. John died 28 Aug 1866 in Glasgow City and Margaret 9 Dec 1882 in St. Rollox.
Their daughter Isabella Risk is my 3xgreat grandmother. She married into the Purdon family. Sadly, I have no family records of any of these individuals.
MerRhosyn
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Don't have the details with me at present but the Thomas Risk, bookbinder, who I think moved to Dublin, was from Barony too.
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Hi MerRhosyn - Do you have access to Anc*** as there are records for all these people :) you have no records for.. if not, send me a PM and I will let you know what I have. ;D
Regards patvp
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Hi,
I have some information on the Risk family from the Stirling/Dumbarton area. I am a descendant of James Risk and Ann Gardner who married in Kilmaronock in 1765 They had a daughter Elisabeth Risk who Married William Wood in Kilmaronock in 1797. Elisabeth had a Brother William Risk who went on to be Provost of Dumbarton in 1845. Elisabeth's brother William also had a son James Blair Risk who also was Provost in 1854-57. Looking for ancestors of William Wood and James Risk and Ann Gardner. :)
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Good to hear from someone on this line. I am particularly interested in the ancestors of James Risk and Ann Gardner of Kilmaronock. My direct link to the Risk family is via James Risk and Janet Harvie from Buchlyvie. I have been trying for years to find the connection for these 2 families as I feel certain there is one. I think James who married Ann Gardner may have been a son of Robert Risk and Agnes Patterson from Killearn, but then can't find records to prove it.
I do have a file on the desendants of James Risk and Ann Gardner and would be happy to share it with you if you wish. Maybe between us we can add more to this family.
Kind regards,
Coline.
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I am new to rootsChat and I am unsure weather this will be relevent but I descend from Margaret Emma Risk born about 1842 she married James Knox in 1872 in Shoalhaven NSW Australia Margaret is my great great grandmother, she and her family arrived in australia in 1852 Aboard the vessell Irene, with her was her father Gibson Risk (b. 1816), Mother Jane Risk nee Thompson (b. 1820) her Brother Samuel Gibson Risk, 2 other siblings John aged 6 and Jane aged 1 died on the voyage.
I believe they may be from Domore Anterim Ireland though and Gibson Risks parents may have been Adam Risk and Margaret though these last facts are just heresay and I am trying to verify this information. I am not sure if this is any help to anyone researching the risk family hopefully it will.
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Im looking for any family info on the Risk family as well, I believe though, this family was from Somerset England, James Risk and Emulaine Buchaune, they had a son William H Risk that came to america, through Maine, he was bon 1837, married a Mary Ann Ellis and had several children one of them Genevieve Louise was my great grandmother. William H Risk work as a shoemaker. I want to find where the family came from and more about the family. Genevieve married Edward Piper in 1895. He was born Marble but somewhere changed his name. still trying to find who took him in after his parents died early 1880.
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Hi, don't visit here much, but the Risk name caught my attention, in my log pile I have an Andrew G Risk he was born in The state of Kentucky 22 September, 1810 and Died 2 December 1842, he married Susannah BUCHANAN 30 May 1831 at Ripley Indiana;; Children:-
[1] Hanna 10/4/1832
[2] John Wilson 28/10/1833
[3] Emily 23/4/1835
[4] James Madison 8/11/1837
[5] Amanda Jane 11/7/1842
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More then likely not from the same family, William was born 1837 in England, was made a nuteralized in1862 , my grandmother Genevieve was born 1877 in Mass. but thank you. my gggrandfather was a shoe maker in Maine.
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Coline. I am a complete tiro, this being my first ever visit to this site and almost my first attack on Geneology -- BUT I was intrigued to see all the detail in a post by you on 1 sep '09!!!!
Amongst those mentioned is Ralph Risk born 1891, son of J A D Risk. This former was my father and I have, over the years, gathered a number of family records.
I am going to look over this thread of messages and see whether there are any gaps I can fill in relation to the 19th century. Certainly I have quite a bit of knowledge about those born in the 20th c. and will be happy to answer any questions. There are quite a few emigrants to Canada from the 1890's on but we in Scotland are doing our best to restore the indigenous population of Risks
This is just a quick attempt to find out
( i) whether you are still interested and want any specific info, and
(ii) whether there is any snippet which I can wheedle out of you!
Has this message reached you???!!!
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Hi Frisky1 - J.A.D. parents were William Risk and Elizabeth Hall. Elizabeth was my g/Aunt x3 or 4 (can never work it out :D she was born 09 Mar 1805 Clackmannan, married William 04 Jun 1836 (GRO465 0070 0397) Have further info on all their children..but I gues this makes us some sort of relatives..will be good to exchange notes.
Regards patvp
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By the way..welcome to rootschat..and after you have posted another couple of messages we can exchange e.mail adds if you so wish.
Again regards patvp and by the way I am in Australia ;D
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As I said I am a Tyro and am even having difficulty in trying to send a reply to the right person but I shall persist!
This is only a quick note to say that I have hung on to lots of bits and pieces but have not yet sorted them out far less put togerher any genealogically coherent stuff!
I do remember that I have one or two original documents from the Risk/Hall family archives and shall try to look them out and send copies.
You say that you are in Australia. I was at school in the 1940s with an Iain Risk who, I think, went into the shipping industry and settled in Oz. Any relation? I think that his (then deceased) Father may have been Cap't Johnnie Risk (Blue Funnel Line?).
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Hi frisky - Did not come to Oz until 1957 so no contact there ;) Will wait with bated breath ;D to see if we can fill in gaps, have quite a bit of info on the Hall family, my g/mother was Charlotte Hall....see the photo on my postings on the motor bike ;D
By the way what is a Tyro ?? or am I missing something ..
Talk soon I hope...Patvp
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Still struggling to find papers among the mass I have squirreled away!
Petition by Robert Hall , sailor Alloa for right to father's and grandfather's burrial place in the church of Alloa, south of the Isle door - "two headstones and four rooms bounded on the north side by the Burial place of John Burn..... and on the south side .... Thomas Gilchrist Tayler."
....and Seals in this church ly in the Loaft etc etc 14th may 1759
Typed copy of Genealogy 'of our forefolks' from Thomas Hall born 28 May 1783 to preparation in Alva 14 March 1898 by Great Grandchild of T H
One typed transcript of Indenture between William Risk and David Gray, Shipbuilder in Kincardine, dated 21st October 1814. The 3 year indenture is with the consent of William's Father John Risk Farmer Torbrecks and is for training as Carpenter and Shipbuilder. I hope still to find the original.
Extract death certificate date 5 March 1863 for John Hall Rope Spinner Widow of Margaret Hall
Mutual Assignation between John Hall and Margaret Hall dated 1840
Inventory and valuation of stock, household furniture and effects |James Edmond dec'd 10 July 1869
An ENORMOUS tree starting with James Risque (sic!)co-founder of Secession Church, Buchlyvie b 1700 d 1776 and ending with a lot of undated Risks etc - eg Maud, John, James, Kathleen, Charles etc some Bankier some Canada and some the Forrests of the Glasgow timber company. Many had grand-parents born about 1820-30. Lots more which I have yet to work out. I do not know the source of this huge bit of paper but will try to find out more
Also got the mss but unsigned apprenticeship for JAD Risk in 1863. I do not know who sees this reply but 'Corinn;' may be interested in this last
Enuf 4 now, I shall continue to delve and someday find out how I can send copies etc. I just do not understand this Roots business yet.
Frisky1
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By the way last reference should have been to Coline, I think. e-ail might indeed be easier for me!!!
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Hi All - I am still looking for the family of a Jean Risk who married Walter McFarlane in Glasgow in January of 1778. Their marriage record lists his occupation as soldier in the Argyll Highlanders/74th Regiment of Foot. By August of 1778, Jean Risk and Walter McFarlane set sail from Greenock with the 74th for it's deployment during the American Revolution.
Jean and Walter eventually settled in what is now Charlotte County, New Brunswick in 1784. She died by 1795 living Walter with a young family.
Would anyone know of a Risk family living and/or working in Glasgow during this time period? Walter's profession at the time of his enlistment was that of an inkle weaver. I had thought that Jean's family might have also been involved in the rag trade in Glasgow or its environs. John Tait's post office directory of 1783/1784 shows a William Risk working in Greenhead as a dyer and bleacher of fabrics. There may or may not be a connection.
As a footnote, Walter McFarlane was baptized in Luss in 1753. He was the second son of Donald McFarlane and Margaret McFarlane. Donald was a tenant farmer in Rhu. Descendants of Jean Risk and Walter McFarlane's son John link this couple, however, to Stirlingshire although there is NO documentary evidence to support this point.
Anyone have any guesses on this Jean Risk? I think she would have been born around 1760 at the latest.
Walker_McKay
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I am researching the Buchanans of Stirlingshire and Dunbartonshire and appear to be surrounded by Risks. At this point in time I don't think I can add much to what is here but I have come across six photographs in 'the old family album'.
They are Mr Risk of Bankier, Mrs Risk of Bankier, Mrs Forrest, daughter of the Risks of Bankier, Mr Risk of Provanmill, Mrs Risk of Provanmill and Mrs Denny, daughter of the Risks of Provanmill.
They come with zero details but I would guess they were taken in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries and are not of the highest quality.
If anyone is interested I can scan them and send them to PM addresses as I don't think the moderator would like me to post all of them to the forum.
Regards,
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PM on it's way!
Anne :)
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hello James, I hope this message reaches you.
This is a bit of a long shot - I am trying to research my grandmother's time in domestic service. One of the places that she worked was a house in Murrayfield called Kirkton Lodge. She worked as a tablemaid. Her employers were Donald and Annie Kennedy - Donald was one of two brothers who owned/ran the famous Jenners Department store in Edinburgh.
The family had two daughters, one of whom was Violet who married a James Risk. I believe you are descended from that family?
Basically would very much like to find out anything I can about her time in service. For example do you or any of your family hold any records from that time, regarding the family, Kirkton Lodge, or employment records, diaries or anything like that. My grandmother's name was Annie Black. She must have begun work there some time between 1911 and 1916. My father used to remember as a very small child in the 1920's being taken there to have tea and cake when my grandmother went to visit the cook. I would very much appreciate a reply even if you have no information at all. Thank you. Sandra.
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I wonder if there is any interest in knowing currently living Risk's, me being one of course. My father is called James Risk, my grandfather is William Risk, i also have two uncles named William and Thomas Risk, also alot of cousins that have the Risk surname.
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I have just trawled through a lot of posts on this subject and among them I came across one from Frisky 1 which stated in part that they were in possession of:
Inventory and valuation of stock, household furniture and effects |James Edmond dec'd 10 July 1869.
Frisky 1, if you are still around, let me know. I would like to have a look at that as I have a Risk/Edmond connection and I will pass on my Private email address.
Regards.
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Hello Jamie,
I haven't visited this site for quite some time so missed your message. Are you Jamie Risk from Gowston, Buchlyvie? I would love to have contact with you and be able to fill in the gaps of recent generations. With perseverance it is possible to go backwards for generations on the internet, but of course nothing is available for current years. Over time I have amassed a huge amount of data on the Risks descended from James Risk 1700-1772 and am happy to share this with you.
Regards,
Coline.
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Sadly not, i was born in Dumfries. But my family are all from the Coatbridge/Airdrie area.
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I am looking for information on Mary Risk (nee Paterson) possibly born around 1773, who was married to John Risk (my 5th Great Grandfather) and had a son as per the information from Old Parish Register Births: William Risk born 1 Sept 1796 with a residence listed: Touchgoven Stirling. William married Margaret Rait on April 22 1815 St Ninians Stirling and it is through their son John Thomson Risk (1820-1893) that I am linked to Risk's. I can not seem to find any information further on Mary Risk (nee Paterson) such as her actual birthdate, who her parents were or where she was buried etc. I also have not come across any other siblings for William Risk so I believe he may have been the only surviving child and possibly Mary Risk (nee Paterson) died after childbirth maybe? I found a John Risk married to a Margaret Lapslie, 23 Nov 1796 St Ninians and was thinking possibly John remarried shortly after Mary's death. If anyone has any information about Mary Risk (nee Paterson) or John Risk or William Risk (Born 1 Sept 1796) I would love to know more about this branch of the family. I also found a William Risk b 1796 married to an Elizabeth Hall in 1836 but do not think this is also my William of 1796 because of the dates of birth of the children from Margaret Rait and those of Elizabeth Hall overlap one another. Thank you in advance my email is (*)
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A Moses Risk owned the long gone Provanmill Distillery in Glasgow. A couple of rare bottles for sale online! ;D
Skoosh.
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Since my previous post yesterday (May 9 2020), I have received an update from ancestry. com on DNA results and it looks like my William Risk (1 Sept 1796) is one in the same as the William listed with the date 1796 and Elizabeth Hall is his 2nd wife. The DNA results gave me information for a half cousin through William and Elizabeth's daughter Jane Malcom (nee Risk) Morton is my 4th Half Great-Aunt.
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This is a message for Coline so I'm really hoping you might still check this Board! I am a great great great granddaughter of William Risk (born: 1796) who married Elizabeth Hall. If you are still interested I have a lot of the recent Risk details but am struggling a bit with some of the older details such as William Risk's grandfather, who I believe was John Risk (born 1725), including who he married and who his parents were. I would love to swap notes as we are keen to create a book of the Risk history.
Fingers crossed you get this!
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Hi All,
I'm posting again in case anyone would like to connect and share notes on the Risk Family. I am a great granddaughter of Ralph Risk, born 1892, and Margaret Robertson, born 1894. I'm currently trying to put together a family history for my granny and would love to speak to others who have already been down this road. Many thanks, Clare
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Came across this,
https://www.parkheadhistory.com/janefield-cemetery/janefield-merchants-2/
Skoosh.
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I have in my tree Jessie Hamilton Chapman (1932-2008) who married Walter Currie Risk (1931-2017) in 1954 in Airdrie. His parents were James Risk and Christina Cruickshanks Currie, who were married in Coatbridge in 1921.
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Ah .... duplicate thread https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=22961.0
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Thank you Skoosh and Forfarian. Really appreciate your help. Forfarian, I haven't quite got to this date yet so Walter Currie Risk may well be linked!
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He may well be, but you can pick him up as and when you get to his parents. By then I might even know what family he had, if any.
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Hi All,
I'm posting again in case anyone would like to connect and share notes on the Risk Family. I am a great granddaughter of Ralph Risk, born 1892, and Margaret Robertson, born 1894. I'm currently trying to put together a family history for my granny and would love to speak to others who have already been down this road. Many thanks, Clare
Greetings Clare
I also have both:
Ralph Risk, born 1892, and Margaret Robertson, born 1894.
Happy to put our heads together. Do you have a public tree to view?
Mark
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This is a message for Coline so I'm really hoping you might still check this Board! I am a great great great granddaughter of William Risk (born: 1796) who married Elizabeth Hall. If you are still interested I have a lot of the recent Risk details but am struggling a bit with some of the older details such as William Risk's grandfather, who I believe was John Risk (born 1725), including who he married and who his parents were. I would love to swap notes as we are keen to create a book of the Risk history.
Fingers crossed you get this!
William Risk (born: 1796) who married Elizabeth Hall.
I have both people and will be happy struggle with the earlier ones!
Did you know that you can also send a Personal Message to Coline in Australia?
Mark