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Samuel Mahood married Sarah Hughes in 1882. They had a daughter Ann in March 1884, and between then and 1887, Sarah died, and Samuel got married again in 1887 to Sarah's sister Alicia Hughes. (Alicia was a witness to Sarah and Samuel's marriage in 1882.) Sarah and Alicia's father was Edward Hughes, a butcher from Markethill in Armagh I think. Edward had a brother John, and possibly Charles.
Samuel and Alicia emigrated to the US in 1887 and I have loads of info on them from then on. I would love more info on the Hughes if anybody can help - it's such a common name I'm trying to approach it from a different angle - via the Mahoods.
Regards
Jaylay
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Hi Jaylay,
I found 4 possible Sarah Hughes births with the father as an Edward. No Alicia/Alice Hughes births with the father as an Edward.
Since you have the marriage information, could you kindly tell me what was her age on the entry? So I can pinpoint which birth is hers so I can find her parents' marriage correctly?
Thanks!
Tees
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Good news!! I found this marriage registration in a RIGHT location you guessed.
Here is: On 26 Dec 1867, Edward Hughes married Catherine Nuget in the Markethill Roman Catholic Church in the parish of Mullaghbrack, Armagh, Co Armagh.
Off to find Sarah's birth now.
Cheers,
Tees
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Hi again,
Sorry to inform you that I could not find her birth entry as it seems she may have not registered or have a different mother we were not aware of.
Your best bet would be to contact the same church her father married in to see if they have her baptism record or not.
Unless she and her family moved to Co Antrim at later point that you do not know about which is very unlikely because a butcher was a sort of a good job to have back then.
Kind regards,
Tees
Note: The database on birth registrations only stop at 1875. But your Sarah may have born after 1875 unless the age you have on her stated otherwise.
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Hi Tees
Thanks for all your help - really appreciate it! Sarah's age at the time of her marriage to Samuel in 1882 is just listed as Full age. They were married in St Matthews Roman Catholic Church Belfast. Her townland and street is given as Ballymacarrett, but on another document I have Edward Hughes as a butcher in Markethill, and his brother John (who also had a daughter called Sarah) was also a butcher. Maybe they were in business together? Am I making sense? I am very confused - When Samuel Mahood married Alicia Hughes they were married in St Annes Church of Ireland church. Also I have not been able to find a record of Sarah's death. Alicia's birth is I think November 1864 - according to US census records.
Kind regards
Jaylay
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Hi Jaylay!
Yes, I just saw two Mahood marriages being in two different churches which lead me to conclude that Alicia may not be her sister? possibly cousin?
I think it is a bit odd to have two siblings to have two different faiths from the same family. Anything is possible in the North of Ireland, I guess.
This raises a question--"whose" religion it was-Samuel Mahood's or Hughes's?
Now we have a "problem"--it seems that Edward Hughes marriage I found for you may be not him unless his occupation on it says otherwise. Are you sure that Sarah's marriage showed that her father as a butcher, same with Alicia's?
OK-have you contacted the churches in Markethill area? I am sure they will be delighted to confirm any information you are seeking.
Alicia's birth date is a bit too early for the Civil Registration as this is the FIRST year it was set up in Ireland. She probably was not registered but was baptised in the church.
That may means Sarah was born before her?
But I am curious as to those marriages (Sarah's and Alicia's). FA means she is over 21 or she did not know her actual age.
IF only they add the column to the marriage entry for a mother, it will make our lives a bit easier!! :)
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi again,
Interestingly, a female Hughes named Catherine was born on 10 Nov 1864 to the parents of John Hughes & Bridget Short in Armagh, in the subdistrict of Keady, Co Armagh.
No sign of Alicia/Alice's birth here.
Her parents probably did not registered but baptised her in one of the churches in Markethill.
Have you put a request in for someone to look up in Trade or Markethill directories? To see if your Edward was mentioned in there and see what address the shop was at? Then contact a heritage centre or council even library there to see if they have any information on the shop for you?
Never know what you find out...BUT I am puzzled by the fact that both girl Hughes were in Belfast--wondering if their father moved with them to there or remained behind in Markethill?
Many questions here! Terribly sorry about giving you too much to ponder on!
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi Tees
I'm pretty sure they're sisters. Sarah's marriage cert lists Samuel Mahood's occupation as compositor, which he was also in the US (with the New York Times). He was a Knight of Columbanus, which means he was definitely Catholic through and through. His first wife Sarah's father is listed as Edward Hughes - butcher. Her denomination is Roman Catholic.
In the second marriage cert - Both Samuel and Alicia are listed as Church of Ireland. I am wondering if this was a mistake, or if they couldn't get married in the Catholic church because he had been married before (and don't forget I can't find any record of Sarah's death - possibly a scandal there!!). Alicia's father is listed as Edward Hughes cattle dealer (kind of the same thing as butcher do you think?)
Alicia's address at the time of her marriage is 101 Dover Street Belfast.
I think it is unlikely that the Hughes family were Church of Ireland but you never know for sure.
Kind regards
Jaylay
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Hi Jaylay,
You may have a valid point about the reason for marrying in CoI.
If I recall correctly, it was not allowed to marry anyone's siblings because it was against the law. Possibly Samuel Mahood and Alicia decided to marry in CoI because they do not know who they are so they can marry there. You can "lie" to the priest there that you are of CoI (CoI is much like RC in many ways so it should not be a problem for them to marry there).
Or Samuel's marriage to Sarah had not dissolved and could not get a priest's blessing or church authority's permission to annul it. He felt that he had no choice but went ahead and married in CoI to Alicia.
I will go back to see if Sarah Hughes married someone else between years since you said you could not find her death entry.
I have a relative who had to get a special permission from the church authorities in order to marry his second wife. It was noted on his church marriage record. (It made me wonder what happened to his first wife and what was the reason for the dissolution of their marriage.)
Butcher and Cattle dealer is a bit different BUT you may never know a true description of their father's occupation because one of them may have embellished on his occupation.
Butcher is a person who cut up the meat/dead cows/pigs/chickens and others into portions to sell. Cattle dealer is a person who dealt with cows-buying and selling to the farmers.
Markethill is a good place to do business. You need to put a look up request for the Trade directories or directories to see if your Edward was there or not.
Regards,
Tees
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Hi again,
I forgot to ask you if the second marriage entry showed Samuel as a widower or not???
Cheers,
Tees
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Hi again,
I see several Sarah Hughes marriages in same CoI church.
Perhaps it is to your advantage to check them with this church to see if there is any marriage with the father named Edward the butcher/cattle dealer?
If you find one, then you know it was her.
What do you think??
OR you can try this UFH-www.ancestryireland.com and go to marriage database (do not mind about the maintenance as it works just fine)--purchase the basket of all Sarah Hughes marriages and see if there is any Edward being noted as father on them bar her marriage to Samuel Mahood in 1882. All Sarah Hughes marriages would be bought for only 6 pounds. Then, you have five picks to be made.
It is much quicker way to eliminate. If you could not find her, she may have went somewhere else--Scotland or England or somewhere in the world.
Are you descended from the first marriage?
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi again,
Do you have Samuel's birth registration info? If not, who was his father?
I found one Mahood birth with his name but has a surname as a middle name.
Wondering if it is yours.
Cheers,
Tees
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I have looked up Slaters directory (1881 I think) and tghere is an Edward Hughes and John Hughes, both butchers, both in Richhill.
I went on ancestryireland a while ago - I've used it lots and found it v helpful. At the time I was looking for a Sarah Hughes with John as the father (the other Sarah - sorry to confuse you further!). I'm actually descended from Edward's brother John, who also had a daughter called Sarah. She was my GGrandmother. I'm fascinated with her because my grandmother (also called Sarah!!) was very secretive about her childhood, never spoke about it, and her children - my dad and my aunts, never knew any of their uncles or aunts from her side of the family. It has me really intrigued. My aunt, who is in her late 70s, seems convinced that there's a scandal to be found somewhere along the way and I don't want to disappoint her! Trying to find any records on any of these Hughes is proving a real challenge.
I will go back through my files and hunt down the options for Sarah with a father Edward and check those out.
Yes Samuel was listed as a widower on his second marriage. His father was also called Samuel, and he was a publican or vintner. Samuel was born c. 1861.
You are so kind Tees - thanks for all your help!
Jaylay
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Saw a John Hughes marriage entry in Richhill.
Well, have you looked up in old newspapers between 1883 to 1887 to see if there is any obits on Sarah Mahood?
It seems to be very intriguing "story" about your other Sarah! :)
Some people are secretive about their families--in my case, my grandad did not talk about his family because of a terrible childhood and my granny would not talk about her family because she cannot stand them. ???
You have looked up in the directory but beyond 1881? Sometimes it can help you narrow down to when they passed on.
I wish you the best of luck and every success in finding this Sarah Mahood! Do keep us posted so we can know what really happened to her.
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi Tees
What date was that marriage entry for John Hughes in Richhill - have you any other info?
I will try to check out all of these avenues - you've given me plenty of food for thought - thanks so much!
Jaylay
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Hi Jaylay,
I will go back and look for that Richhill marriage registration.
Hope it is any use to you.
Kind regards,
Tees
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Hi Jaylay,
Here is the marriage registration:
13 Jan 1867 John Hughes married Mary Morrisson in the Richhill Roman Church in the parish of Kilmore, district of Armagh, Co Armagh.
This is the marriage I was referring to.
Kind regards,
Tees
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Thanks so much for all of your wonderful help and advice Tees - I am working my way through all of it right now and will keep you posted if I solve the mystery!
Thanks again
Jaylay
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Hi Jaylay,
You are more than welcome!!!
Looking forward to hear from you with "good" news! ;D
Kind regards,
Tees
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Samuel Mahood married Sarah Hughes in 1882. They had a daughter Ann in March 1884, and between then and 1887, Sarah died, and Samuel got married again in 1887 to Sarah's sister Alicia Hughes. (Alicia was a witness to Sarah and Samuel's marriage in 1882.) Sarah and Alicia's father was Edward Hughes, a butcher from Markethill in Armagh I think. Edward had a brother John, and possibly Charles.
Samuel and Alicia emigrated to the US in 1887 and I have loads of info on them from then on. I would love more info on the Hughes if anybody can help - it's such a common name I'm trying to approach it from a different angle - via the Mahoods.
Regards
Jaylay
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is this thread still active....I am the 3x Great Granddaughter of Edward Hughes...Alicia Anne Hughes Mahood was sister to my Great Grandmother Anne Hughes Lavery. She too married from 101 Dover St.
Trying to find any information on either of my Great Grandmother's sisters...Mary and Catherine Hughes...who they may have married etc.
Thanks
Tori
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Hello Tori,
I guess you will have seen my Mahood tree on Ancestry, but the one to go to and the person to contact is probably John Martin who runs the Martin Family tree - many many of these Hughes are there.
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I have used both of your trees to back fill my own...the Hughes were a secretive lot!
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Hi Tori
I am also the 3 x Great granddaughter of Edward Hughes - my GG grandfather was James Hughes, sister to your GG grandmother Anne. Once you have 3 posts on Rootschat you can send a private message, so if you reply to this I can PM you with my email address - I'd love to make contact and share information with you!
Judy
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Wow! absolutely contact me via (*)
Looking forward to it.
Tori
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Great I will email you!
Judy